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On June 28 2013 21:47 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:42 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:38 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:33 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:31 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:29 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:25 Wintex wrote:
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Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time. Agreed. But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa. GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something. He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway.. Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned. I am. The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though. I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them.. Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals... SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber... Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
Bomber won the hidden GSL Code S: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_LG_Cinema_3D_Global_StarCraft_II_League_May/Code_A
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On June 28 2013 22:13 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:47 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:42 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:38 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:33 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:31 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:29 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa. GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something. He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway.. Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned. I am. The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though. I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them.. Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals... SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber... Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today. Bomber won the hidden GSL Code S: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_LG_Cinema_3D_Global_StarCraft_II_League_May/Code_A
top 8 of that would be almost an good top 8 for a foreign tourney or something haha these days
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Happy for NSHoseo, they needed this badly!
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Dam. Maybe jjakji comeback incoming? Code A and 3 kill against axiom is pretty good.
Also... Axiom soooo needs Ryung to win at least 3 games every series xD
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On June 28 2013 22:11 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 28 2013 21:59 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:57 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:49 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:47 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:42 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:38 Wintex wrote:
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I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them.. Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals... SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber... Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today. A foreigner tournament where he absolutely demolished DRG and CoCa etc. MAULED. DRG got swept. I deny DRG's superior skill due to that tbh.. he achieved his peak and greatness later. See I would have put Bomber up there as well as contender for best, but the quarters against ByuN was one of the worst series I have watched in SC2 ... On June 28 2013 21:49 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:42 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:36 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous. Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced. And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot. Well, maybe next time you shouldn't get halfway into a debate before stating what your argument is. And I don't think he's all that hyped. If so, people are probably just listening to Tastosis too much. All I was arguing is that he was the best at one point. The thing is, he's still probably the most accomplish Zerg, (maybe DRG though)...but Nestea is not lower than 3. We weren't discussing accomplishments, but skill level in a certain period of time. And not that NesTea was bad, but that he was not the best. Read more carefully so I don't have to state the same thing 50 times... zzz Oh I read it, and it's not very believable so I choose to throw it out. Joined TL.net Wednesday, 23rd of May 2012 Yeah I guess if you haven't seen the games themselves then that's understandable.. Plus buying into Tastosis hype is so easy for a new viewer... which is why it's annoying when they do that. join date is no indication of when people started watching, i was into sc2 well before signing up (and i didn't post much in the first few months either), so don't be facetious please I've been watching since BW but never bothered to make an account I'm obviously the coolest
high five ^_^
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Woah, JJakji made good on his promise of getting NSH a win for their next GSTL match. Very cool result.
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Sad that AxAcer lost, but happy that jjakji got the win
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Austria24422 Posts
This thread reminds me so much of the One Piece thread right now.
Fuck you Nestea and Enel.
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Woah NSH actually won just like Jjakji said they would o.O? Good on them.
and lol @ the Nestea argument. Glad I missed that one.
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So unless IM beats ST by a good amount and MVP loses to Azubu by a good amount, MVP is in the finals.
Ax-Acer is so confusing To me. At the start of the season I though them, Prime and NSH would be the teams not to make the playoffs. Then they go beat everyone until they play NSH...wtf
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On June 29 2013 00:27 TommyP wrote:
So unless IM beats ST by a good amount and MVP loses to Azubu by a good amount, MVP is in the finals.
Ax-Acer is so confusing To me. At the start of the season I though them, Prime and NSH would be the teams not to make the playoffs. Then they go beat everyone until they play NSH...wtf
Yeah looks like Azubu would have to 4-0
and IM would have to win by at least a 4-1 for MVP to be knocked out of 1st place.
Which is highly unlikely.
It'd then look like:
IM: 5-2
24-16
+8
MVP: 5-2
23-16
+7
AA: 5-2
23-18
+5
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BOOM. Boom Boom Boom. Told the haters on page one, told the haters on page twenty. Reading through this thread angered me, I wanted to slap the guy who preemptively said Ryung>MadBull Ryung>jjakji. Y'all should just be thankful that SSanaEE, Tassadar, and MadBull so graciously allowed their opponents a win so that AxAcer fans would be afforded a sliver of hope. Learn your lesson today, friends, so you don't have to feel sorry tomorrow.
Disclaimer: This post was made mostly in jest.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 29 2013 01:15 slowbacontron wrote:
BOOM. Boom Boom Boom. Told the haters on page one, told the haters on page twenty. Reading through this thread angered me, I wanted to slap the guy who preemptively said Ryung>MadBull Ryung>jjakji. Y'all should just be thankful that SSanaEE, Tassadar, and MadBull so graciously allowed their opponents a win so that AxAcer fans would be afforded a sliver of hope. Learn your lesson today, friends, so you don't have to feel sorry tomorrow.
Disclaimer: This post was made mostly in jest.
Man your post would be believable if you didn't insist Tassadar can actually win games
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ah yes, I love it. all-kill startale but lose to the most all-killed team this season.
if the results made sense, it wouldn't be starcraft!!!
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On June 29 2013 02:19 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:15 slowbacontron wrote:
BOOM. Boom Boom Boom. Told the haters on page one, told the haters on page twenty. Reading through this thread angered me, I wanted to slap the guy who preemptively said Ryung>MadBull Ryung>jjakji. Y'all should just be thankful that SSanaEE, Tassadar, and MadBull so graciously allowed their opponents a win so that AxAcer fans would be afforded a sliver of hope. Learn your lesson today, friends, so you don't have to feel sorry tomorrow.
Disclaimer: This post was made mostly in jest. Man your post would be believable if you didn't insist Tassadar can actually win games
Just because we haven't seen it...maybe Tassadar has been intentionally losing all this time...though what a horrible teammate he would be if that were the case.
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Despite my team icon, I ain't even mad. Grats NSHS, you guys needed this!
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haters gonna hateeeeeeeeeeeeee
jjakji showing he's still worth something, you don't win a GSL for nothing (sorry roro)
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On June 29 2013 04:10 HolyArrow wrote:
Despite my team icon, I ain't even mad. Grats NSHS, you guys needed this!
Axiom-Acer needed it more though :/
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I instantly recalled when Jjakji said he would win a match for NSHS
How apoteotic
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On June 29 2013 04:44 Aserrin wrote:
I instantly recalled when Jjakji said he would win a match for NSHS
How apoteotic
That's...not a word. In English.
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