ToD has been playing very unique style... focus on overall "game management"... interesting builds and choices when to engage when to pull back. sometimes it feels wrong. like overly passive. but it's a fascinating style that has been working against MOST players but seems he hasn't perfected it yet (he has great micro to assist this usually)... ToD's PvT unfortunately definitely his weakest matchup.

I've loved watching his PvZ style specifically lately tho. <3 ToD

LlamaNamedOsama

United States1900 Posts

June 22 2013 17:26 GMT

#1392

On June 23 2013 02:17 stuchiu wrote:

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When talking about what player is better than the other, head-to-head probably isn't the best way to go about it. TLO beat Lucifron a few times, but lost 0-3 to MVP. Conversely Lucifron beat MVP 2-0 when they met. And you can't say, oh if he got a bit luckier in brackets he could have gone farther, you can literally say the same thing about anyone. If Lucifron didn't get hit by a coin, he could have won Dreamhack.

You misunderstand my post - nowhere did I say that TLO is better than Stephano. My post is in response to someone claiming that Lucifron and Stephano are better. In reality, it would be difficult to compare TLO and Stephano, and I don't think you can say one is definitively better than the other. Bracket luck is a counterargument against the idea that, under recent results, placement in a single tournament automatically qualifies Stephano as better.

TheSir

1830 Posts

June 22 2013 17:27 GMT

#1393

On June 23 2013 02:25 ZMTYOU wrote:
Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 1m

fucking bullshit game, PvT is absolutely retarded atm -_-

hehe well you just shouldn't play protoss...

SPQR13

181 Posts

June 22 2013 17:27 GMT

#1394

that was like total lack of micro on every big engagement from tod, really disapointing

zyzq

United States3123 Posts

June 22 2013 17:27 GMT

#1395

that was just awful by nightend lol

KillAudio

1364 Posts

June 22 2013 17:28 GMT

#1396

Damn commercials keep popping up every 5 mins.

Rowa

Belgium962 Posts

June 22 2013 17:28 GMT

#1397

When is the Stephano + Tod + Dayshi cast ?

revel8

United Kingdom3022 Posts

June 22 2013 17:28 GMT

#1398

On June 23 2013 02:26 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:

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On June 23 2013 02:17 stuchiu wrote:

On June 23 2013 02:10 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:

On June 23 2013 02:06 stuchiu wrote:

On June 23 2013 02:05 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:

On June 23 2013 01:38 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
TLO isn't the best yet, Lucifron and Stephano still better, Snute on a similar level. But he needs to go from consistent RO8 to actually getting to finals to be considered best. Consistency is overrated

Lucifron is awesome, but you can't say that Lucifron is better, TLOs beaten him at least in 3 different series when they've run into each other, and even though your criteria for being considered best is getting to finals, Lucifron has not made the finals of a premier tournament. And although Stephano has also won against TLO in the past, TLO had the upper hand in their most recent encounter, winning against him in their group at WCS Finals. Stephano also hasn't even gotten close to the finals of a premier tournament lately unless you count WCS EU, but the advantage over TLO there was the reuslt of an unlucky bracket, since TLO got paired with the eventual champion in the ro8 (who Stephano also lost to). TLO could have beaten anyone else in that top 8 to make it to the finals.

You're counting WCS EU for TLO when it comes to beating lucifron, but discounting WCS EU when talking about Stephano getting to the finals.

I'm referring to WCSU EU for lucifron because TLO and lucifron played each other head to head in that tournament. TLO and Stephano did not. So the only comparison for them at WCS EU would be their placements, but like I explained, if their bracket positions had been switched, TLO could have easily been in finals while Stephano would have been the one knocked out in the ro8, an unfortunate outcome of unlucky bracket placement (especially given the fact that they both won 1st in their groups).

Stephano is definitively better than TLO. If you disagree, then LOL

NightOfTheDead

Lithuania1711 Posts

June 22 2013 17:28 GMT

#1399

On June 23 2013 02:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
As expected:

Yoan Merlo ‏@ToDsc2 49s
fucking bullshit game, PvT is absolutely retarded atm -_-

When one throws it, sure is..

AlternativeEgo

Sweden17309 Posts

June 22 2013 17:28 GMT

#1400

Translater dude just submitted this