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On June 18 2013 01:58 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 01:53 NightOfTheDead wrote:
If Jaedong wins vs Taeja, he will beat Life in finals. Otherwise, this tournament is Life's for the taking. Don't underestimate Taeja. The guy is has extremely good tvz. When he is healthy he is at the level of Innovation and Flash. If he plays to his ability the finals will be a close one.
But he's not healthy 
And Life killed him 3-0 at GSL when Taeja was on his peak/
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On June 18 2013 01:55 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 01:54 stuchiu wrote:On June 18 2013 01:53 PhoenixVoid wrote:On June 18 2013 01:52 Loxley wrote:On June 18 2013 01:49 PhoenixVoid wrote:
It must be terrifying playing against Life, just knowing that no matter what you build, no matter how many hard counters you have, or a build advantage, he will win no matter what. Unless you throw a Parting his way. Or INoVation, Soulkey and RorO. So basically a conglomeration of the best players in the world sans Flash. Leenock also beat him in GSL 2-0 then lost in the last game vs Life 0-2. So he could also beat him
Life is favored against every single one of those players... lol:
+ Show Spoiler + (1943) Life 0-0 PartinG (1741)
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34.70% 2-0 0-2 16.89%
28.52% 2-1 1-2 19.90%
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63.22% 36.78%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 PartinG (1954) Life 0-0 Soulkey (1812)
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31.67% 2-0 0-2 19.12%
27.69% 2-1 1-2 21.52%
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59.37% 40.63%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 Soulkey (1954) Life 0-0 RorO (1694)
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37.64% 2-0 0-2 14.94%
29.09% 2-1 1-2 18.33%
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66.74% 33.26%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 RorO (1954) Life 0-0 Leenock (1819)
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31.30% 2-0 0-2 19.41%
27.58% 2-1 1-2 21.72%
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58.87% 41.13%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 Leenock
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On June 18 2013 01:56 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 01:51 packrat386 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:48 Flanq wrote:On June 18 2013 01:47 packrat386 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:44 Flanq wrote:On June 18 2013 01:42 packrat386 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:42 Sabu113 wrote:
Can't believe sjow made it to the quarters. Life shoud crush this series. the real travesty was Dayshi making it through. Dayshi has been crushing recently o.o who exactly has he been "crushing", here is his TLPD if you haven't seen it recently (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=hots&type=players&id=3527&part=games&league=standard) He also played in the 2013 GIGABYTE Pro League Qualifier #1 where he won against HyuN, Feast and Goswser before losing to Symbol in the finals, still managing to qualify himself for the main event. he was once more the first player to be sent out and he was able to defeat Dragon, Sage, TheStC and YugiOh before falling to Hyun. In both games he was only one win away from securing an all-kill, leading the European team to winning the tournament. All Kill of MVP defeating Billowy, TAiLS, DongRaeGu, TAiLS and NAKSEO All Kill of Quantic defeating HyuN, StarDust, HwangSin, Center and HyuN All taken from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DayshiYou were saying? really? beating Feast and Goswser now qualifies you as good? I will give him that Hyun, DRG, and Tails are pretty decent victories, but all of them are in smallish online tournaments that koreans functionally use as extra practice time. you have to beat Flash or innovation to be good? lol good is a very general and inaccurate word if you want to describe something like skill level. You could say anyone in GM is "good" but you could also say someone in masters is good.
i think the bar for "crushing" is a little higher than what Dayshi has achieved.
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Belgica34432 Posts
Btw Life only lost one BoX vs T in HotS
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Just came home, only was able to watch Lucifron - JD during a pause so far; what games would you recommend from the ro16?
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On June 18 2013 02:01 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 01:55 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 18 2013 01:54 stuchiu wrote:On June 18 2013 01:53 PhoenixVoid wrote:On June 18 2013 01:52 Loxley wrote:On June 18 2013 01:49 PhoenixVoid wrote:
It must be terrifying playing against Life, just knowing that no matter what you build, no matter how many hard counters you have, or a build advantage, he will win no matter what. Unless you throw a Parting his way. Or INoVation, Soulkey and RorO. So basically a conglomeration of the best players in the world sans Flash. Leenock also beat him in GSL 2-0 then lost in the last game vs Life 0-2. So he could also beat him Life is favored against every single one of those players... lol: + Show Spoiler + (1943) Life 0-0 PartinG (1741)
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34.70% 2-0 0-2 16.89%
28.52% 2-1 1-2 19.90%
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63.22% 36.78%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 PartinG (1954) Life 0-0 Soulkey (1812)
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31.67% 2-0 0-2 19.12%
27.69% 2-1 1-2 21.52%
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59.37% 40.63%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 Soulkey (1954) Life 0-0 RorO (1694)
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37.64% 2-0 0-2 14.94%
29.09% 2-1 1-2 18.33%
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66.74% 33.26%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 RorO (1954) Life 0-0 Leenock (1819)
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31.30% 2-0 0-2 19.41%
27.58% 2-1 1-2 21.72%
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58.87% 41.13%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 Leenock
You kind of forgot INoVation.
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On June 18 2013 02:00 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 01:55 Flanq wrote:On June 18 2013 01:51 packrat386 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:48 Flanq wrote:On June 18 2013 01:47 packrat386 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:44 Flanq wrote:On June 18 2013 01:42 packrat386 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:42 Sabu113 wrote:
Can't believe sjow made it to the quarters. Life shoud crush this series. the real travesty was Dayshi making it through. Dayshi has been crushing recently o.o who exactly has he been "crushing", here is his TLPD if you haven't seen it recently (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=hots&type=players&id=3527&part=games&league=standard) He also played in the 2013 GIGABYTE Pro League Qualifier #1 where he won against HyuN, Feast and Goswser before losing to Symbol in the finals, still managing to qualify himself for the main event. he was once more the first player to be sent out and he was able to defeat Dragon, Sage, TheStC and YugiOh before falling to Hyun. In both games he was only one win away from securing an all-kill, leading the European team to winning the tournament. All Kill of MVP defeating Billowy, TAiLS, DongRaeGu, TAiLS and NAKSEO All Kill of Quantic defeating HyuN, StarDust, HwangSin, Center and HyuN All taken from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DayshiYou were saying? really? beating Feast and Goswser now qualifies you as good? I will give him that Hyun, DRG, and Tails are pretty decent victories, but all of them are in smallish online tournaments that koreans functionally use as extra practice time. Are you serious? You can't discount a win because it was online, those are all good players on good teams playing for money and pride, you're going to tell me a korean doesn't care if they lose a game? Not that the games don't matter at all, but they definitely aren't as impressive as live victories in a tournament that means a lot more to most players. For example, his victory over hyun was in an online match that was a qualifier for a tournament with a 2000 euro first prize. Compared to something like a WCS match or a late round in Deamhack this was worth significantly less to Hyun and most people don't prepare/play as well. I'm not trying to say Dayshi is a terrible player, the thing is the original comment set him up as if he was one of the best players at this tournament. He has a decent run, but hes a pretty mediocre player overall.
or you are just underestimating him.
Hyun is a beast on online tournament, to beat him there is a fk-ing good enough achievement to be called good player
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TSK. Life lost a ling to that reaper.
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On June 18 2013 02:00 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 01:55 Flanq wrote:On June 18 2013 01:51 packrat386 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:48 Flanq wrote:On June 18 2013 01:47 packrat386 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:44 Flanq wrote:On June 18 2013 01:42 packrat386 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:42 Sabu113 wrote:
Can't believe sjow made it to the quarters. Life shoud crush this series. the real travesty was Dayshi making it through. Dayshi has been crushing recently o.o who exactly has he been "crushing", here is his TLPD if you haven't seen it recently (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=hots&type=players&id=3527&part=games&league=standard) He also played in the 2013 GIGABYTE Pro League Qualifier #1 where he won against HyuN, Feast and Goswser before losing to Symbol in the finals, still managing to qualify himself for the main event. he was once more the first player to be sent out and he was able to defeat Dragon, Sage, TheStC and YugiOh before falling to Hyun. In both games he was only one win away from securing an all-kill, leading the European team to winning the tournament. All Kill of MVP defeating Billowy, TAiLS, DongRaeGu, TAiLS and NAKSEO All Kill of Quantic defeating HyuN, StarDust, HwangSin, Center and HyuN All taken from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DayshiYou were saying? really? beating Feast and Goswser now qualifies you as good? I will give him that Hyun, DRG, and Tails are pretty decent victories, but all of them are in smallish online tournaments that koreans functionally use as extra practice time. Are you serious? You can't discount a win because it was online, those are all good players on good teams playing for money and pride, you're going to tell me a korean doesn't care if they lose a game? Not that the games don't matter at all, but they definitely aren't as impressive as live victories in a tournament that means a lot more to most players. For example, his victory over hyun was in an online match that was a qualifier for a tournament with a 2000 euro first prize. Compared to something like a WCS match or a late round in Deamhack this was worth significantly less to Hyun and most people don't prepare/play as well. I'm not trying to say Dayshi is a terrible player, the thing is the original comment set him up as if he was one of the best players at this tournament. He has a decent run, but hes a pretty mediocre player overall.
He played remarkable, going head to head with Violet in their games(Violet has really good TvZ), head to head with Lucifron who has absolutely sick TvT, and beating Mana this tournament.
As well as the aforementioned dominance in team leagues, he is far from a mediocore player and well on his way to becoming one of the top foreign players.
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I kind of dislike how pervasive it has become to just cite aligulac as if it was the word of god. There are a fair amount of factors that can't really be taken into account by stats.
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United States97276 Posts
On June 18 2013 02:02 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 02:01 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:55 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 18 2013 01:54 stuchiu wrote:On June 18 2013 01:53 PhoenixVoid wrote:On June 18 2013 01:52 Loxley wrote:On June 18 2013 01:49 PhoenixVoid wrote:
It must be terrifying playing against Life, just knowing that no matter what you build, no matter how many hard counters you have, or a build advantage, he will win no matter what. Unless you throw a Parting his way. Or INoVation, Soulkey and RorO. So basically a conglomeration of the best players in the world sans Flash. Leenock also beat him in GSL 2-0 then lost in the last game vs Life 0-2. So he could also beat him Life is favored against every single one of those players... lol: + Show Spoiler + (1943) Life 0-0 PartinG (1741)
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34.70% 2-0 0-2 16.89%
28.52% 2-1 1-2 19.90%
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63.22% 36.78%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 PartinG (1954) Life 0-0 Soulkey (1812)
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31.67% 2-0 0-2 19.12%
27.69% 2-1 1-2 21.52%
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59.37% 40.63%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 Soulkey (1954) Life 0-0 RorO (1694)
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37.64% 2-0 0-2 14.94%
29.09% 2-1 1-2 18.33%
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66.74% 33.26%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 RorO (1954) Life 0-0 Leenock (1819)
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31.30% 2-0 0-2 19.41%
27.58% 2-1 1-2 21.72%
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58.87% 41.13%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 Leenock You kind of forgot INoVation.
Aligulac actually favors life vs Innovation and with his run at dreamhack + his 4-0 of his RSL group Life has actually retaken the #1 overall ranking on their site
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On June 18 2013 02:02 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 02:01 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:55 DrPandaPhD wrote:On June 18 2013 01:54 stuchiu wrote:On June 18 2013 01:53 PhoenixVoid wrote:On June 18 2013 01:52 Loxley wrote:On June 18 2013 01:49 PhoenixVoid wrote:
It must be terrifying playing against Life, just knowing that no matter what you build, no matter how many hard counters you have, or a build advantage, he will win no matter what. Unless you throw a Parting his way. Or INoVation, Soulkey and RorO. So basically a conglomeration of the best players in the world sans Flash. Leenock also beat him in GSL 2-0 then lost in the last game vs Life 0-2. So he could also beat him Life is favored against every single one of those players... lol: + Show Spoiler + (1943) Life 0-0 PartinG (1741)
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34.70% 2-0 0-2 16.89%
28.52% 2-1 1-2 19.90%
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63.22% 36.78%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 PartinG (1954) Life 0-0 Soulkey (1812)
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31.67% 2-0 0-2 19.12%
27.69% 2-1 1-2 21.52%
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59.37% 40.63%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 Soulkey (1954) Life 0-0 RorO (1694)
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37.64% 2-0 0-2 14.94%
29.09% 2-1 1-2 18.33%
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66.74% 33.26%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 RorO (1954) Life 0-0 Leenock (1819)
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31.30% 2-0 0-2 19.41%
27.58% 2-1 1-2 21.72%
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58.87% 41.13%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 Leenock You kind of forgot INoVation.
I posted Innovation earlier but:
+ Show Spoiler + (2187) Life 0-0 INnoVation (2062)
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30.86% 2-0 0-2 19.76%
27.43% 2-1 1-2 21.95%
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58.29% 41.71%
Median outcome: Life 2-1 INnoVation
Yep, still favored. In fact, I think Life is probably favored against every single player right now.
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On June 18 2013 01:58 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 01:56 goody153 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:54 Abominous wrote:
Is Life done with Sjow? And how were Jaedong vs Luci games? no commercial breaks prolong Sjow agony .. and JD murdered Luci convincingly .. JD's counter attacks were so efficient .. he looked like soulkey for a moment No one can outmechanic JD. his mechanics are so solid. He just needs more time then others to adjust to hots. But he is so good, just like flash is.
i really wish JD will get to flash level .. but his level rising slowly .. he just needs to get used to it
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On June 18 2013 02:01 Lorning wrote:
Btw Life only lost one BoX vs T in HotS
He's lost only 2 bo3 vT since July or August 2012, one to Flash and one to Innovation.
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On June 18 2013 01:59 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 01:58 bourne117 wrote:On June 18 2013 01:53 NightOfTheDead wrote:
If Jaedong wins vs Taeja, he will beat Life in finals. Otherwise, this tournament is Life's for the taking. Don't underestimate Taeja. The guy is has extremely good tvz. When he is healthy he is at the level of Innovation and Flash. If he plays to his ability the finals will be a close one. I like Flash a lot, but... no. Not even close ^^ Just the dominant player of his time. Yet he got beaten by the next dominant guy, MKP, and never really had as high a level.
I think you meant to say MKP. But think about this. Before Taeja left Proleague because of his wrists he was first in wins over flash and innovation. When Innovation first showed how good he was in the last WoL GSL he NARROWLY beat Taeja to show it. Yet Taeja beat Soulkey to make the ro4 while Innovation lost ro8. Taeja is much better than people give him credit for. His wrists still slow him down but he seems to be getting better with them now.
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On June 18 2013 02:02 slowbacontron wrote:
TSK. Life lost a ling to that reaper.
Bad timing for a slump
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United States5162 Posts
Hey, look at that. A good ole fashion Hellion runby.
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That was definitely worth it from sjow. 8 workers ahead now
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Again pretty good opening play by Sjow, but what happens afterwards?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 18 2013 02:04 Myles wrote:
Hey, look at that. A good ole fashion Hellion runby.
It's like Sjow came out of mid 2011.
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