Can anyone link complete statistics (racial winrates, mapwinrates etc) for the current proleague season? On Liquipedia only 164 games are listed and mappool is outdated. I cannot find it on aligulac T_T.
On June 13 2013 15:27 Type|NarutO wrote: Can anyone link complete statistics (racial winrates, mapwinrates etc) for the current proleague season? On Liquipedia only 164 games are listed and mappool is outdated. I cannot find it on aligulac T_T.
On June 13 2013 15:27 Type|NarutO wrote: Can anyone link complete statistics (racial winrates, mapwinrates etc) for the current proleague season? On Liquipedia only 164 games are listed and mappool is outdated. I cannot find it on aligulac T_T.
On June 13 2013 15:27 Type|NarutO wrote: Can anyone link complete statistics (racial winrates, mapwinrates etc) for the current proleague season? On Liquipedia only 164 games are listed and mappool is outdated. I cannot find it on aligulac T_T.
On June 13 2013 15:27 Type|NarutO wrote: Can anyone link complete statistics (racial winrates, mapwinrates etc) for the current proleague season? On Liquipedia only 164 games are listed and mappool is outdated. I cannot find it on aligulac T_T.
TLPD is complete while Liquipedia hasn't been updated in a while iirc
I also remember that the tallies were different at one point when they were still updated
Yeah, the map stats for the Proleague page on LP hasn't been updated since the end of Round 1, and the only one part of the statistics page that is somewhat up to date seems to be the player stats for match-ups.
Maaaybe something I could work on. Been a while since I did anything massive on LP.
Ladies and gentleman! Are you ready to see the best of the TvT match up? When he appears, threads on TL get fueled by anger and whining. He is so good, he plays on both sides: Mr. Hellbat. *loud applause* *girls fainting* (also there is Flash and Fantasy playing, but who cares)
On June 13 2013 16:21 tuho12345 wrote: wuttt, they're gonna play in 10 mins? pretty strange cuz they never play this late, especially on Wednesday night.
Schedule was compressed because of WCS. I believe these are the matches that were supposed to played that weekend had WCS not happened. Also, it's Thursday.
On June 13 2013 15:15 Fionn wrote: If SKT win, then EG-TL, CJ, and T8 are all effectively eliminated from playoff contention.
I'm rooting for KT, not because of any special attachment to any of these teams, but because I want this to be as long, drawn-out, and hilarious as possible.
On June 13 2013 15:15 Fionn wrote: If SKT win, then EG-TL, CJ, and T8 are all effectively eliminated from playoff contention.
I'm rooting for KT, not because of any special attachment to any of these teams, but because I want this to be as long, drawn-out, and hilarious as possible.
I'm actually pretty nervous, even though all SKT needs is 1 win (I think) to secure a playoff spot. I dont wanna see any epic collapses (it has happened).
On June 13 2013 16:38 jekku wrote: I'm actually pretty nervous, even though all SKT needs is 1 win (I think) to secure a playoff spot. I dont wanna see any epic collapses (it has happened).
On June 13 2013 16:48 Caihead wrote: I'm guessing Flash and Fantasy are playing a practice game and they ended up base trading for an hour.
Flash won but Fantasy hid a CC somewhere
I'm thinking of scenario where Fantasy lifted a CC and there was no gas on the map for Flash to build a viking.
You say that but i'm pretty sure i remember a game on metalopolis with bomber vs someone, there was almost that same situation with no gas on the map. But if im not mistaken boxer lost his last few vikings barely.
Man no one in the studio T_T. I thought there were actually people in the studio for a bit after Jaedong made that comment that there was no one there, but now it's empty again =/
On June 13 2013 16:55 Ender2701 wrote: Man no one in the studio T_T. I thought there were actually people in the studio for a bit after Jaedong made that comment that there was no one there, but now it's empty again =/
If this was a weekend match the audience would be way bigger
On June 13 2013 16:55 Ender2701 wrote: Man no one in the studio T_T. I thought there were actually people in the studio for a bit after Jaedong made that comment that there was no one there, but now it's empty again =/
If this was a weekend match the audience would be way bigger
On June 13 2013 16:57 2xNoodle wrote: The chart on the stream showed EG-TL with a -40 map score, while Liquipedia has EG-TL with a -35 map score. Does anybody know which is correct?
You can probably expect the information provided by the official stream to be correct
On June 13 2013 16:57 2xNoodle wrote: The chart on the stream showed EG-TL with a -40 map score, while Liquipedia has EG-TL with a -35 map score. Does anybody know which is correct?
I'd trust OGN's stats over liquipedia but who knows
On June 13 2013 16:57 2xNoodle wrote: The chart on the stream showed EG-TL with a -40 map score, while Liquipedia has EG-TL with a -35 map score. Does anybody know which is correct?
iirc EGTL got quite a few penalties, each results in one point deduction in map scores
On June 13 2013 16:57 2xNoodle wrote: The chart on the stream showed EG-TL with a -40 map score, while Liquipedia has EG-TL with a -35 map score. Does anybody know which is correct?
iirc EGTL got quite a few penalties, each results in one point deduction in map scores
On June 13 2013 16:57 2xNoodle wrote: The chart on the stream showed EG-TL with a -40 map score, while Liquipedia has EG-TL with a -35 map score. Does anybody know which is correct?
iirc EGTL got quite a few penalties, each results in one point deduction in map scores
What were the penalties for?
Stephano saying "GL HF", (I guess?) HerO being late, pausing, etc. PL rules are very strict when it comes to stuff like that.
On June 13 2013 16:57 2xNoodle wrote: The chart on the stream showed EG-TL with a -40 map score, while Liquipedia has EG-TL with a -35 map score. Does anybody know which is correct?
iirc EGTL got quite a few penalties, each results in one point deduction in map scores
What were the penalties for?
Stephano saying "GL HF", (I guess?) HerO being late, pausing, etc. PL rules are very strict when it comes to stuff like that.
It would be hilarious if EG-TL somehow pulled out that miracle where SKT doesn't win anymore and they get 4th, but then lose out on the tiebreaker by 1 point because of Stephano's incident.
On June 13 2013 17:11 AlternativeEgo wrote: Decent HPM by Fantasy. And wtf BC's :o
Mech players build an army while dropping, cannot drop or attack them when they are good, no need to waste ressources trying. Immediate airswitch can win you the game. Smart choice, lets see if he gets enough time!
On June 13 2013 17:14 poisui wrote: Haha. Two Battlecruisers chasing a whole army as usual. This will be over in a Flash. Winning against god will remain a Fantasy.
I see what you did there. Dont Flash us with the results, tho.
We see a perfect example of why hellbat drops shouldn't be adressed even if they occur often. They can be defended and good games can evolve based on hellbat drop builds. It gets tricky if both go for it. I really like the dynamic of TvT now.
On June 13 2013 17:17 Type|NarutO wrote: We see a perfect example of why hellbat drops shouldn't be adressed even if they occur often. They can be defended and good games can evolve based on hellbat drop builds. It gets tricky if both go for it. I really like the dynamic of TvT now.
On June 13 2013 16:18 lichter wrote: Flash and Fantasy have met 3 times in HoTS, with Flash winning every game. They met twice in WoL, going 1-1, Fantasy's last win coming in December.
Before that was Fantasy's 3-0 over Flash in Tving OSL.
On June 13 2013 17:17 Type|NarutO wrote: We see a perfect example of why hellbat drops shouldn't be adressed even if they occur often. They can be defended and good games can evolve based on hellbat drop builds. It gets tricky if both go for it. I really like the dynamic of TvT now.
I think Fantaji will win anyway lol
Yes, but it was a brilliant game of him. Countering BC/Viking with mines
Well i thought Flash had that won. I guess those hellbat drops forced him to push back whilst Fanta made 20 odd Mines and got his vikings back up to a reasonable count
On June 13 2013 17:20 Ragnarork wrote: Dafaq happened ? I just stopped watching for like 5 min, Flash was dismantling Fanta bit by bit, tune in again 5 min later and Fanta won ? :D
anyways, I imagine you can counter the mines by hovering at least your vikings on top of his tanks so the splash backfires. the battle cruisers are too slow for that probably, but you can split them and they have a lot of hp. it just requires that you keep air superiority I suppose
flash also didn't have any upgrades on his ground army. i guess he was really hoping that the quick BCs would win him the game straight up, which they almost did
On June 13 2013 17:20 Waxangel wrote: 75 minerals, 25 gas, does like 100 damage to a big capital ship? yah it's a scourge
Its better. Does AoE, doesn't die
But is slower, can't fly, requires time to burrow, and can damage friendly units.
idk their not that slow, and with the upgrade takes them 1 second to burrow (as you saw flash did try to run with his viking/bc ) but yes it can damage friendly units.
On June 13 2013 17:23 WigglingSquid wrote: I hope that mech + widowmine won't prove to be too effective over air. I liked my mass vikings/ravens/bcs megabattles with splits and whatnot.
Flash neglecting his ground army made widow mines an effective counter, because the BCs will target vikings and not widow mines
On June 13 2013 17:24 Wojciech Zywny wrote: flash also didn't have any upgrades on his ground army. i guess he was really hoping that the quick BCs would win him the game straight up, which they almost did
On June 13 2013 17:24 Wojciech Zywny wrote: flash also didn't have any upgrades on his ground army. i guess he was really hoping that the quick BCs would win him the game straight up, which they almost did
His tanks didn't have upgrades?
they were at 0/0 the whole game, until flash started upgrading air plating
On June 13 2013 17:24 Wojciech Zywny wrote: flash also didn't have any upgrades on his ground army. i guess he was really hoping that the quick BCs would win him the game straight up, which they almost did
His tanks didn't have upgrades?
they were at 0/0 the whole game, until flash started upgrading air plating
On June 13 2013 17:28 Killmouse wrote: no audience??
Thursday afternoon -_-''
Any specific reason why they have the games at this time?
Scheduling. LoL gets the primetime slot since it is more popular. This round of PL is also somewhat squeezed because of WCS season finals and upcoming OSL
On June 13 2013 17:28 nobodywonder wrote: i just realized that widow mines are like seeker missiles except better
it's laughable that theres so many things that overlap each other in the terran army, yet they refuse to add lurkey back
I dont really mind not seeing old units, or improving to the game for romantic thoughts about broodwar, but I think terran is messed up like shit, pdd, window mines, seeker missile, flying medic, medivac boost, hellbats, etc. I just hope they be objective about it and see that terran has too much at the moment.
On June 13 2013 17:28 nobodywonder wrote: i just realized that widow mines are like seeker missiles except better
Seeker missiles have way way way better range than widow mines and are more reliable if used correctly. It's also a spell that doesn't cost anything aside from energy. I don't see how Widow mines are "better" than seekers.
Why do players cast timewarp in these situations? If lings are already on your zealots, what does slowing their movement speed do? It does not slow their attackspeed right? Weird...
Fanta hellbat-dropped and did quite some damage. Both players got up to three bases securely and built up mech armies with Fanta continuing harassment. Flash however went for a BC switch at 15 minutes where his air fleet demolished Fanta's vikings. Taking down about three expansions it seemed like Fanta was about to keel over and die. However, Fanta produced a number of widow mines that in the first battle got beaten. In the consequent fights Ravens and widow mines took down the air army after an out of position tank group got killed by Fantasy first. Then Flash's nat and main got sieged up by the following push and he gg'ed.
On June 13 2013 17:39 Ketch wrote: Why do players cast timewarp in these situations? If lings are already on your zealots, what does slowing their movement speed do? It does not slow their attackspeed right? Weird...
Now this is a nice timewarp, preventing roach kiting!
On June 13 2013 17:39 Ketch wrote: Why do players cast timewarp in these situations? If lings are already on your zealots, what does slowing their movement speed do? It does not slow their attackspeed right? Weird...
I think it does diminish their DPS because the lings need to be in very close proximity to their target in order to do damage. By reducing their movement speed you effectively reduce their damage output. This is also why speedlings run over slowlings without any problem, even when their damage outputs are basically the same.
On June 13 2013 17:43 Incognoto wrote: This game is really weird... 38 drones at 11 minutes? I'm not sure what purpose those zealots outside the Z base even serve. Can someone fill me in?
Don't know, he runs them occasionally into a bunch of roaches and loses them all. Must be some kind of religious sacrifice.
On June 13 2013 17:43 Incognoto wrote: This game is really weird... 38 drones at 11 minutes? I'm not sure what purpose those zealots outside the Z base even serve. Can someone fill me in?
On June 13 2013 17:43 Incognoto wrote: This game is really weird... 38 drones at 11 minutes? I'm not sure what purpose those zealots outside the Z base even serve. Can someone fill me in?
Don't know, he trades them occasionally into a bunch of roaches inefficiently. Must be some kind of religious sacrifice.
On June 13 2013 17:43 Incognoto wrote: This game is really weird... 38 drones at 11 minutes? I'm not sure what purpose those zealots outside the Z base even serve. Can someone fill me in?
u explained it in your first sentence
It sort of came to me when I typed it out ! xD but I asked anyway, to be sure. so this play is actually hyper intelligent
Fanta hellbat-dropped and did quite some damage. Both players got up to three bases securely and built up mech armies with Fanta continuing harassment. Flash however went for a BC switch at 15 minutes where his air fleet demolished Fanta's vikings. Taking down about three expansions it seemed like Fanta was about to keel over and die. However, Fanta produced a number of widow mines that in the first battle got beaten. In the consequent fights Ravens and widow mines took down the air army after an out of position tank group got killed by Fantasy first. Then Flash's nat and main got sieged up by the following push and he gg'ed.
On June 13 2013 17:43 Incognoto wrote: This game is really weird... 38 drones at 11 minutes? I'm not sure what purpose those zealots outside the Z base even serve. Can someone fill me in?
On June 13 2013 17:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: Should have used soO. wtf boxer
Gotta give all your players a shot man, if we learned anything from Park and January.
January Khan - who? Park??? which player
Coach January is notorious for sending out the most ridiculous players, she once sent out Turn for the Ace when most people would argue that Stork / Jangbi are much better choices.
Coach Park puts faith in his players too, he once sent out Best to snipe Flash in the ace of grand finals instead of Fantasy or Bisu.
On June 13 2013 17:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: Should have used soO. wtf boxer
Gotta give all your players a shot man, if we learned anything from Park and January.
January Khan - who? Park??? which player
Coach January is notorious for sending out the most ridiculous players, she once sent out Turn for the Ace when most people would argue that Stork / Jangbi are much better choices.
Coach Park puts faith in his players too, he once sent out Best to snipe Flash in the ace of grand finals instead of Fantasy or Bisu.
Yeah and Coach Park redeemed himself by trusting Bisu to send in the ACE Match vs Flash on the last All-BW Proleague.
Boxer, I think, makes the weirder line-up compared to Coach Park. Brown and Sacrsi seriously??
On June 13 2013 17:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: Should have used soO. wtf boxer
Gotta give all your players a shot man, if we learned anything from Park and January.
January Khan - who? Park??? which player
Coach January is notorious for sending out the most ridiculous players, she once sent out Turn for the Ace when most people would argue that Stork / Jangbi are much better choices.
Coach Park puts faith in his players too, he once sent out Best to snipe Flash in the ace of grand finals instead of Fantasy or Bisu.
Yeah and Coach Park redeemed himself by trusting Bisu to send in the ACE Match vs Flash on the last All-BW Proleague.
Boxer, I think, makes the weirder line-up compared to Coach Park. Brown and Sacrsi seriously??
Boxer used to send out some relatively weaker players out in the GSTL when Slayers was still around. They said it was so that more of their younger players get more stage experience. May be the same thing is happening now?
On June 13 2013 17:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: Should have used soO. wtf boxer
Gotta give all your players a shot man, if we learned anything from Park and January.
January Khan - who? Park??? which player
Coach January is notorious for sending out the most ridiculous players, she once sent out Turn for the Ace when most people would argue that Stork / Jangbi are much better choices.
Coach Park puts faith in his players too, he once sent out Best to snipe Flash in the ace of grand finals instead of Fantasy or Bisu.
That was arguably the dumbest shit I've ever seen in pro sc, please don't remind me of that finals.
On June 13 2013 17:57 Pwnzer wrote: C'mon Rain show me a new ladder strat.
Rain will do something standard and super safe as he almost always do, I expect zealot-sentry into stargate or that blink/robo build.
Oh definitely, doesn't mean I can't hope for something cute. Haha.
Actually when he played herO a while back he did some cute DT build, too bad Rain lost. But of course then herO seems to be the kryptonite of Rain in PvP. ^^
On June 13 2013 17:57 Pwnzer wrote: C'mon Rain show me a new ladder strat.
Rain will do something standard and super safe as he almost always do, I expect zealot-sentry into stargate or that blink/robo build.
Oh definitely, doesn't mean I can't hope for something cute. Haha.
Actually when he played herO a while back he did some cute DT build, too bad Rain lost. But of course then herO seems to be the kryptonite of Rain in PvP. ^^
The proxy dt game? Yeah that was awesome and he almost pulled it out, if only he had found that robo. : (
On June 13 2013 17:49 Shellshock1122 wrote: Should have used soO. wtf boxer
Gotta give all your players a shot man, if we learned anything from Park and January.
January Khan - who? Park??? which player
Coach January is notorious for sending out the most ridiculous players, she once sent out Turn for the Ace when most people would argue that Stork / Jangbi are much better choices.
Coach Park puts faith in his players too, he once sent out Best to snipe Flash in the ace of grand finals instead of Fantasy or Bisu.
Yeah and Coach Park redeemed himself by trusting Bisu to send in the ACE Match vs Flash on the last All-BW Proleague.
Boxer, I think, makes the weirder line-up compared to Coach Park. Brown and Sacrsi seriously??
Redeemed? Why, did he do anything wrong before that?
On June 13 2013 17:57 Pwnzer wrote: C'mon Rain show me a new ladder strat.
Rain will do something standard and super safe as he almost always do, I expect zealot-sentry into stargate or that blink/robo build.
Oh definitely, doesn't mean I can't hope for something cute. Haha.
Actually when he played herO a while back he did some cute DT build, too bad Rain lost. But of course then herO seems to be the kryptonite of Rain in PvP. ^^
The proxy dt game? Yeah that was awesome and he almost pulled it out, if only he had found that robo. : (
(As we talk about this, he's going dt again!)
He seems do be doing better and better with dt's now though, feels more refined.
On June 13 2013 18:15 Heartland wrote: Why are there two different models for the DT's?
they should fix this lol
Fix what? They had us vote in beta and then decided to keep both. Their justification was that because DTs are cloaked anyway it wouldn't cause confusion.
On June 13 2013 18:15 Heartland wrote: Why are there two different models for the DT's?
they should fix this lol
Fix what? They had us vote in beta and then decided to keep both. Their justification was that because DTs are cloaked anyway it wouldn't cause confusion.
How could anyone ever get confused anyway? It's not like they're way too similar to zealots if they use swords.
On June 13 2013 18:15 Heartland wrote: Why are there two different models for the DT's?
they should fix this lol
Fix what? They had us vote in beta and then decided to keep both. Their justification was that because DTs are cloaked anyway it wouldn't cause confusion.
How could anyone ever get confused anyway? It's not like they're way too similar to zealots if they use swords.
Personally I was just wondering why DT's have different looks and no other unit does. But to be fair, sometimes it's hard to make them out in big control groups because they look differently when you select them together too.
On June 13 2013 18:15 Heartland wrote: Why are there two different models for the DT's?
they should fix this lol
Fix what? They had us vote in beta and then decided to keep both. Their justification was that because DTs are cloaked anyway it wouldn't cause confusion.
game design dude, game design, seriously this should not even be discussed
On June 13 2013 18:15 Heartland wrote: Why are there two different models for the DT's?
they should fix this lol
Fix what? They had us vote in beta and then decided to keep both. Their justification was that because DTs are cloaked anyway it wouldn't cause confusion.
game design dude, game design, seriously this should not even be discussed
I'm just pointing out that Blizzard already thinks of it as fixed, despite protests.
On June 13 2013 18:15 Heartland wrote: Why are there two different models for the DT's?
they should fix this lol
Fix what? They had us vote in beta and then decided to keep both. Their justification was that because DTs are cloaked anyway it wouldn't cause confusion.
How could anyone ever get confused anyway? It's not like they're way too similar to zealots if they use swords.
Personally I was just wondering why DT's have different looks and no other unit does. But to be fair, sometimes it's hard to make them out in big control groups because they look differently when you select them together too.
Idunno, I still think they're very similar, so it's never been an issue to me.
If anything, the skins avilable in HotS as rewards are much more confusing.
On June 13 2013 18:32 jekku wrote: Seemed like s2 was just a step ahead of Crazy that whole game. He hit that timing window pretty well cause he was gonna fall behind badly in upgrades.
The turning point was when Crazy started making roaches to attack first and s2 made him retreat without them fighting, he was able to get like 8 drones ahead early on.
If STX beats Khan, then it's pretty much going to be Stars and then KT/SKT/STX in some order come playoffs. Which, honestly, is probably best for Proleague. SKT and KT are the two most popular teams, and Stars along with STX have Innovation, sOs, and Soulkey, the three most recent Korean finalists who can be built up as stars with their recent performances.
On June 13 2013 18:52 Fionn wrote: If STX beats Khan, then it's pretty much going to be Stars and then KT/SKT/STX in some order come playoffs. Which, honestly, is probably best for Proleague. SKT and KT are the two most popular teams, and Stars along with STX have Innovation, sOs, and Soulkey, the three most recent Korean finalists who can be built up as stars with their recent performances.
Samsung has top3 fanbase in Kr. Samsung/KT/SKT will be best
On June 13 2013 18:58 slowbacontron wrote: NoOoOoOo! My FPL just went down the drain. Gratz to SKT for crushing the dreams of EGTL, T8, and CJ fans everywhere.
Funny how it goes. For my FPL this was the perfect outcome
Welp, the top 4 teams are pretty much locked into the Playoffs already. SKT > KT this season but whatevs. STX 2-1 SKT in HotS(two 4-2s and a close 3-4 loss) with Innovation beasting it up + their continuously improving Protoss line which seems to be > SKT's so I expect them to just take care of SKT in the Playoffs . So far, KT 3-2 STX and KT 2-3 Stars, with the 3 losses from the first 3 rounds(WoL) so KT 2-0 Stars in Hots(two 4-1s) .
Holy macaroni ! That TvT between Fanta and Flash ! So back and forth just like in the good ol' days. They kept countering each other's composition. Brillant display of strategy and execution.
I hope Fantasy gains some consistency because he has the potential to be a top 5 player just like he was in BW.
I rarely watched games live back then but this was one of the best moments I've seen.
It was...I though flash had won. I had just gotten drunk the night before and made a HUGE ass out of myself. And this moment. Everything was going wrong. And then Bisu won.
I rarely watched games live back then but this was one of the best moments I've seen.
It was...I though flash had won. I had just gotten drunk the night before and made a HUGE ass out of myself. And this moment. Everything was going wrong. And then Bisu won.
I skipped church. It was easter sunday. For once in my life my family cut me a break and let me watch understanding the finals importance to me.
I rarely watched games live back then but this was one of the best moments I've seen.
It was...I though flash had won. I had just gotten drunk the night before and made a HUGE ass out of myself. And this moment. Everything was going wrong. And then Bisu won.
I skipped church. It was easter sunday. For once in my life my family cut me a break and let me watch understanding the finals importance to me.
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