We are pleased to announce fifth season of the greatest StarCraft 2 League in CIS, where the best players from Europe, Asia and America participate. Welcome 2013 Ritmix Russian StarCraft II League Season 5.
Group E, 19.06 17:00 CET =Played= Live report thread thx to ibo422 Bomber <RSL Crux Fruitland> VortiX TitaN <RSL TPW Electric Circuit> CatZ Replays + Show Spoiler +
Bracket stage: 32 players are divided into 8 groups. All games in groups are best of 3, two first bo3s in groups are played on one of the maps from RSL mappool. All other games will be played on the standard maps. Playoffs: Single elimination bracket with the first places playing vs second ones (seeding is fully random). Every starting game of the series will be played on one of the RSLMaps (3 first games in the finals), every other map will be loser picked from 5 standart maps. Bo3 in Ro16, bo5 in Ro8, Ro4 and 3rd place match, bo7 in the finals.
On June 11 2013 21:34 StarVe wrote: I wish they'd solve their issues with Empire.
I've just thought that there are no Empire players at sc2tv.ru event again. Didn't know that there's an issue between them.
On May 11 2013 01:47 Dgotto wrote: The organizers are at odds with team empire, Dimaga and Verdi.Therefore, the CIS team not being in the strongest part on this tourney.
I think it was a conflict about streaming on sc2tv.ru and money related to that or something along those lines with Empire and Dimaga. Someone posted about it in some RSL thread but I can't find it anymore.
With Verdi it's just that he doesn't get along with Adolf and the other organizers/casters (or the other way around, I don't really know).
Oh, since you're Ukrainian, you can just read the comments here, I guess. There's a bit of info.
Have not seen Supernova in a while. How has he been looking in HotS? He had some good drop action going on, I would imagine that his speedivacs are insane.
On June 12 2013 00:05 AlternativeEgo wrote: Have not seen Supernova in a while. How has he been looking in HotS? He had some good drop action going on, I would imagine that his speedivacs are insane.
On June 11 2013 23:07 StarVe wrote: <...> I think it was a conflict about streaming on sc2tv.ru and money related to that or something along those lines with Empire and Dimaga. Someone posted about it in some RSL thread but I can't find it anymore. <...> Oh, since you're Ukrainian, you can just read the comments here, I guess. There's a bit of info.
Thanks! There's just a bit of info there. I guess i'll ask Dimaga or HappyZerg (he was also mentioned there) about the situation. But now i'll better root for Strelok!
On June 13 2013 22:34 ibo422 wrote: Thats pretty cool actually. Is it a "show" or just one time thing?
No clue, just saw Thorzain tweeting that he needed a mid masters player to come to the RSL channel and put two and two together. And since it's not listed in the calendar here I thought it couldn't hurt to post because maybe someone would want to watch.
I've never heard of it before, but I assume there's lots of stuff going on on Russian sites and streams that the English-speaking community isn't (made) aware of. Could be both.
Proleague and GSTL are big LANs with even bigger prizepool, RSL is played completely online.. you can't compare both. It's a borderline event and being completely online pushes it towards major tournament I guess. Again, this is my humble opinion..
I love the tourneys you guys host, but is it really necessary to replace every 0 by an o, it looks ridiculous o_O If you really want to create some contrast between the leading digit and the rest just use [ big ] or [ small ] tags, e.g. $4000 (big $4), or $4000 (small 000, better looking than big $4 and closer to what you have now).
Anyways, cheering for TitaN today, he always uses cool strats
On June 28 2013 03:12 Jampackedeon wrote: My stomach is all butterflies... I can't believe how close that was! Go TLO!
It's always the same with TLO. I am a huge fan and I love his playstyle, but it's nearly always very very nail-biting...
Actually, his performance at HSC and Dreamhack his games were not so random, he was either solidly ahead, overrun (by the likes of Teaja each time), or he was neck and neck. His decision making and underlying macro have improved so much in the last two months, but his games today reflect some of his old decision making so I hope he shakes that loose and finishes as a winner in this group!
TLO was gifted the game here. He only had 3 structures remaining in his main. And his overwhelming army doesn't guarantee him the ability to magically win the game given that ToD had a lot more buildings than him.
On June 28 2013 03:39 Otolia wrote: TLO was gifted the game here. He only had 3 structures remaining in his main. And his overwhelming army doesn't guarantee him the ability to magically win the game given that ToD had a lot more buildings than him.
Kidding? TLO had another base at the bottom right and Tod was revealed and had no money for a nexus...
On June 28 2013 03:39 Otolia wrote: TLO was gifted the game here. He only had 3 structures remaining in his main. And his overwhelming army doesn't guarantee him the ability to magically win the game given that ToD had a lot more buildings than him.
TLO had a base and, I think, a hidden extractor (which I saw on the production tab toward the end of the basetrade).
On June 28 2013 03:39 Otolia wrote: TLO was gifted the game here. He only had 3 structures remaining in his main. And his overwhelming army doesn't guarantee him the ability to magically win the game given that ToD had a lot more buildings than him.
Kidding? TLO had another base at the bottom right and Tod was revealed and had no money for a nexus...
Mutalisks cannot defend 2 places at the same time. Especially since he had to attack the top right to win. ToD couldn't possibly win either on its own but TLO didn't have the game totally in his hands. A single bad decision and he was without structures.
On June 28 2013 03:39 Otolia wrote: TLO was gifted the game here. He only had 3 structures remaining in his main. And his overwhelming army doesn't guarantee him the ability to magically win the game given that ToD had a lot more buildings than him.
Kidding? TLO had another base at the bottom right and Tod was revealed and had no money for a nexus...
Mutalisks cannot defend 2 places at the same time. Especially since he had to attack the top right to win. ToD couldn't possibly win either on its own but TLO didn't have the game totally in his hands. A single bad decision and he was without structures.
and you said tod gifted it. it was tlos game to lose, i think
On June 28 2013 03:39 Otolia wrote: TLO was gifted the game here. He only had 3 structures remaining in his main. And his overwhelming army doesn't guarantee him the ability to magically win the game given that ToD had a lot more buildings than him.
Kidding? TLO had another base at the bottom right and Tod was revealed and had no money for a nexus...
Mutalisks cannot defend 2 places at the same time. Especially since he had to attack the top right to win. ToD couldn't possibly win either on its own but TLO didn't have the game totally in his hands. A single bad decision and he was without structures.
and you said tod gifted it. it was tlos game to lose, i think
Well perhaps you read too much into what I said. ToD could have been an asshole and run around the map waiting for TLO to lose his patience.
And TLO decides to do the same with Dayshi here. Giving him the game despite not being in an unwinnable position.
Couldnt watch the games but reading the comments TLO 6-pooled 4 times in a row? So sad, he is a strong player and doenst have to cheese and do crazy stuff like in 2011 tt
On June 28 2013 04:07 BlackCompany wrote: Couldnt watch the games but reading the comments TLO 6-pooled 4 times in a row? So sad, he is a strong player and doenst have to cheese and do crazy stuff like in 2011 tt
Three times : once against ToD and twice against Dayshi.
This was a really entertaining group and Khaldor made it even better, great casting !
On June 28 2013 04:07 BlackCompany wrote: Couldnt watch the games but reading the comments TLO 6-pooled 4 times in a row? So sad, he is a strong player and doenst have to cheese and do crazy stuff like in 2011 tt
Three times : once against ToD and twice against Dayshi.
This was a really entertaining group and Khaldor made it even better, great casting !
Ah okay. Worth watching the vods (i assume there are vods?) because the games are funny or because it was good play?^^
On June 28 2013 03:12 Jampackedeon wrote: My stomach is all butterflies... I can't believe how close that was! Go TLO!
It's always the same with TLO. I am a huge fan and I love his playstyle, but it's nearly always very very nail-biting...
Actually, his performance at HSC and Dreamhack his games were not so random, he was either solidly ahead, overrun (by the likes of Teaja each time), or he was neck and neck. His decision making and underlying macro have improved so much in the last two months, but his games today reflect some of his old decision making so I hope he shakes that loose and finishes as a winner in this group!
You're absolutely right. I didn't really mean his past games, but more his recent games like you mentioned. It's just that his games always look closer than they need to be. I personally love his ZvZ with the aggressive ling/bling style (funny that Snute plays a complete different style with the roach speed timing). A good example of a nail-biting game is the first (?) game vs MC @HSC, where he transitioned into mass muta. It wasn't close at all in the end, but it all depended on whether MC scouts the build or not.
Aaaannnddd he's out. T.T It seems that TvZ is his worst matchup atm.
On June 28 2013 04:07 BlackCompany wrote: Couldnt watch the games but reading the comments TLO 6-pooled 4 times in a row? So sad, he is a strong player and doenst have to cheese and do crazy stuff like in 2011 tt
Three times : once against ToD and twice against Dayshi.
This was a really entertaining group and Khaldor made it even better, great casting !
Ah okay. Worth watching the vods (i assume there are vods?) because the games are funny or because it was good play?^^
Both good and funny! Except maybe the last game Neo Planet S that was pretty lackluster.
I'd have to agree just based off these games and the games he played against Lucifron in WCS and at the same time MVP. Dayshi's been killing though, so no hardship in losing to someone who's tearing shit up.
On June 28 2013 04:07 BlackCompany wrote: Couldnt watch the games but reading the comments TLO 6-pooled 4 times in a row? So sad, he is a strong player and doenst have to cheese and do crazy stuff like in 2011 tt
Three times : once against ToD and twice against Dayshi.
This was a really entertaining group and Khaldor made it even better, great casting !
Ah okay. Worth watching the vods (i assume there are vods?) because the games are funny or because it was good play?^^
The first Dayshi-TLO series was really good. The other matches were either good or entertaining.
I'm rooting for LucifroN above everyone else and then Bly, I guess. He's always been an interesting player and he usually keeps it with fresh with the strategies and changes up his playstyle.
On July 07 2013 01:27 JonIrenicus wrote: Do we need the death of half the staff of twitch.tv to ensure they will fix the lag by adding more servers? I could always start praying for it.
There isn't a single stream everyday where I don't experience lag.
I think it's shit.tv as much as the next guy (azubu so much better quality) but that is way too extreme dude.
Is there any possibilities that I can make some of the lag go away? Delete cookies, switching browser (I'm at Chrome atm)? Don't want to be a whinger, but it's unwatchable at 360p with 40/40 Internet (Norway).
On July 07 2013 03:13 Longtimer wrote: Is there any possibilities that I can make some of the lag go away? Delete cookies, switching browser (I'm at Chrome atm)? Don't want to be a whinger, but it's unwatchable at 360p with 40/40 Internet (Norway).
Have you tried all the streams? I lag a lot, but gisado is fine for me.
On July 07 2013 03:13 Longtimer wrote: Is there any possibilities that I can make some of the lag go away? Delete cookies, switching browser (I'm at Chrome atm)? Don't want to be a whinger, but it's unwatchable at 360p with 40/40 Internet (Norway).
Have you tried all the streams? I lag a lot, but gisado is fine for me.
Yeah, just Nathanias' that didn't work properly. Fanx for the tip.
Really good draws, evenly spread over the whole bracket. So tomorrow are the first matches played. Any chance you also know which ones? I would appreciate an update on this.
If nathanias is not available today, then I will be casting in English. I apologize for not being the pro caster he is, but I will try my best to put my focus in to the game.
On July 08 2013 23:40 ESLTaiwan wrote: If nathanias is not available today, then I will be casting in English. I apologize for not being the pro caster he is, but I will try my best to put my focus in to the game.
I'll join you right after the ATC - your play by play is g00t shit :D
On July 08 2013 23:40 ESLTaiwan wrote: If nathanias is not available today, then I will be casting in English. I apologize for not being the pro caster he is, but I will try my best to put my focus in to the game.
You are going to kill it
Plus, you have some of the best games outside of gsl to cast ! :D
On July 09 2013 01:27 sparklyresidue wrote: So...just build your 3rd CC on the lowground and get hellbats?
If Life moves his force of 10ish lings to that building third, he will cancel it and be ahead.
It's a risk by SuNo and it paid off due to Life's bad scouting.
Mhmm, and supernovas quick tank really paid off. Makes me wonder if on certain maps a quick third is an option for terran if they get a siege tank or two, no more siege research has got to have some benefits.
On July 11 2013 22:11 Daswollvieh wrote: Is this casted live? If so, then Supernova could have a hard time, just coming home from a loss to Maru and then up against Life.
On July 11 2013 22:11 Daswollvieh wrote: Is this casted live? If so, then Supernova could have a hard time, just coming home from a loss to Maru and then up against Life.
I believe Life vs Supernova has been played already.
I can't do a LR thread again cuz I've gotta go around 18:00 and can't update past that, but if someone would do one that'd be awesome. Step up guys, don't let ibo422 do all the work all the time! :D
I can't do a LR thread again cuz I've gotta go around 18:00 and can't update past that, but if someone would do one that'd be awesome. Step up guys, don't let ibo422 do all the work all the time! :D
I can update liquipedia if I get the chance to watch the games
Lucifron was in the lead for the whole game but man, dragging it out like that vs. protoss is always dangerous. But I guess it is good for his confidence that he won in such a long macro game
I have to agree with the score of the Aligulac predictions. HyuN and Luci are very strong when it comes to online tournaments, but I think HyuN is just a tad bit more successful recently in tournament showings. Bomber should have the advantage against Dayshi but I think he will drop one game at least.
On July 16 2013 00:20 AlternativeEgo wrote: From 7 IEM qualifier series' which started 9 hours ago into this group. No rest for the HyuN.
I was thinking about this also during the qualifier, seeing RSL Ro8 on the calendar and realizing, "HyuN is a beast for playing eight series in a row against the best players in the world".
On July 16 2013 00:20 AlternativeEgo wrote: From 7 IEM qualifier series' which started 9 hours ago into this group. No rest for the HyuN.
I was thinking about this also during the qualifier, seeing RSL Ro8 on the calendar and realizing, "HyuN is a beast for playing eight series in a row against the best players in the world".
And after this he will probably move on to take €75 in Go4SC2 while he's at it.
On July 16 2013 00:48 DJHelium wrote: Interesting, Luci going into bio after this. Seems fine since you still want 2 fact for widow mines and the tech lab upgrade.
This game is so confusing. Both took a significant hit to their economy, HyuN is going for every tech path possible and LucifroN is transitioning out of Mech into Bio.
LucifroN's rather late third is going to give the economy edge to HyuN, who is preparing with a big Roach/Bane/Muta bust.
On July 16 2013 00:49 PhoenixVoid wrote: This game is so confusing. Both took a significant hit to their economy, HyuN is going for every tech path possible and LucifroN is transitioning out of Mech into Bio.
Just because he searched BFH and Cloak doesn't mean he was going mech.
On July 16 2013 00:49 PhoenixVoid wrote: This game is so confusing. Both took a significant hit to their economy, HyuN is going for every tech path possible and LucifroN is transitioning out of Mech into Bio.
Just because he searched BFH and Cloak doesn't mean he was going mech.
Yes but after 2 factory bf hellion + banshee and no third cc it would maybe be better to turtle with mech instead going for 2-2 timing later than he would normally hit.
On July 16 2013 00:49 PhoenixVoid wrote: This game is so confusing. Both took a significant hit to their economy, HyuN is going for every tech path possible and LucifroN is transitioning out of Mech into Bio.
Just because he searched BFH and Cloak doesn't mean he was going mech.
Yes but after 2 factory bf hellion + banshee and no third cc it would maybe be better to turtle with mech instead going for 2-2 timing later than he would normally hit.
Normally he goes mech afterwards, here he went bio for mindgames. He had lost anyway when he allowed 10 lings to ruin his day in his natural, otherwise he would have been in a okayish position.
Trying to push the ling swarm through a bunch of mines and a couple of siege tanks was probably not such a great idea as the field got covered in blood.
Meh, game was fun and all, but pretty sloppy on both parts. HyuN was far too complacent in his Hellion defense and was floating a ridiculous amount of money and supply blocked constantly. LucifroN was pretty passive and almost gave HyuN the chance to make a comeback.
lucifron was pretty much unkillable once he got the 4th set up as planetary fortress and used bio mine to force hyun stay ling baneling roach for so long.
Lucifron I like Hyun, but would have rather seen Luci go through here.
On July 16 2013 01:21 garbanzo wrote: I wish Nathanias would stop saying ace match.
haha, That's definitely a little pet peeve of mine. Just because it's the final set of a series doesn't make it an ace match! Same for when people call a reverse sweep in a 1v1 series a reverse all kill.
On July 16 2013 01:21 garbanzo wrote: I wish Nathanias would stop saying ace match.
haha, That's definitely a little pet peeve of mine. Just because it's the final set of a series doesn't make it an ace match! Same for when people call a reverse sweep in a 1v1 series a reverse all kill.
On July 16 2013 01:35 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote: Lucifron I like Hyun, but would have rather seen Luci go through here.
On July 16 2013 01:21 garbanzo wrote: I wish Nathanias would stop saying ace match.
haha, That's definitely a little pet peeve of mine. Just because it's the final set of a series doesn't make it an ace match! Same for when people call a reverse sweep in a 1v1 series a reverse all kill.
isnt the final match of a series an ace match?
Not the final one but the one when each player is 1 game away from winning the series. Since it was 2-2 it was an ace match.
On July 16 2013 01:35 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote: Lucifron I like Hyun, but would have rather seen Luci go through here.
On July 16 2013 01:21 garbanzo wrote: I wish Nathanias would stop saying ace match.
haha, That's definitely a little pet peeve of mine. Just because it's the final set of a series doesn't make it an ace match! Same for when people call a reverse sweep in a 1v1 series a reverse all kill.
isnt the final match of a series an ace match?
Not the final one but the one when each player is 1 game away from winning the series. Since it was 2-2 it was an ace match.
On July 16 2013 01:35 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote: Lucifron I like Hyun, but would have rather seen Luci go through here.
On July 16 2013 01:21 garbanzo wrote: I wish Nathanias would stop saying ace match.
haha, That's definitely a little pet peeve of mine. Just because it's the final set of a series doesn't make it an ace match! Same for when people call a reverse sweep in a 1v1 series a reverse all kill.
isnt the final match of a series an ace match?
The "ace match" refers to the final match of a team league series. The last game is typically between the "ace players" of each team, hence why it is called an "ace match". To use it for an individual match doesn't make sense. garbanzo made his comment because commentators have begun (well, it's been going on for a while now) calling the final game of a Bo5 or Bo7 or whatever the "ace match" which kinda bugs some people because that is not what an ace match is.
On July 16 2013 01:35 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote: Lucifron I like Hyun, but would have rather seen Luci go through here.
On July 16 2013 01:21 garbanzo wrote: I wish Nathanias would stop saying ace match.
haha, That's definitely a little pet peeve of mine. Just because it's the final set of a series doesn't make it an ace match! Same for when people call a reverse sweep in a 1v1 series a reverse all kill.
isnt the final match of a series an ace match?
Not the final one but the one when each player is 1 game away from winning the series. Since it was 2-2 it was an ace match.
I reserve the term "ace match" for the last game in a tied team league series where each team sends their "ace" player to try to get the win for their team.
On July 16 2013 01:35 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote: Lucifron I like Hyun, but would have rather seen Luci go through here.
On July 16 2013 01:21 garbanzo wrote: I wish Nathanias would stop saying ace match.
haha, That's definitely a little pet peeve of mine. Just because it's the final set of a series doesn't make it an ace match! Same for when people call a reverse sweep in a 1v1 series a reverse all kill.
isnt the final match of a series an ace match?
Not the final one but the one when each player is 1 game away from winning the series. Since it was 2-2 it was an ace match.
I reserve the term "ace match" for the last game in a tied team league series where each team sends their "ace" player to try to get the win for their team.
Ace match is do or die match bot both sides, but anyways, stupid discussion, who cares what exatcly "Ace match " is...
On July 16 2013 01:35 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote: Lucifron I like Hyun, but would have rather seen Luci go through here.
On July 16 2013 01:21 garbanzo wrote: I wish Nathanias would stop saying ace match.
haha, That's definitely a little pet peeve of mine. Just because it's the final set of a series doesn't make it an ace match! Same for when people call a reverse sweep in a 1v1 series a reverse all kill.
isnt the final match of a series an ace match?
Not the final one but the one when each player is 1 game away from winning the series. Since it was 2-2 it was an ace match.
I reserve the term "ace match" for the last game in a tied team league series where each team sends their "ace" player to try to get the win for their team.
Ace match is do or die match bot both sides, but anyways, stupid discussion, who cares what exatcly "Ace match " is...
As far as I know, "ace match" had zero context before Proleague. It is called that there because it is the match between the "aces". To call the do or die match an ace match doesn't make sense because what do you really mean by "ace" in this context? There is no definition of ace where this makes any sense. It'd be fine if you were drawing from some other sport or any other context, but I'm pretty sure no such meaning exists, e.g. see "rubber match".
On July 16 2013 02:32 Otolia wrote: So now that Hellbats are removed, the one who wins a TvT is the one who builds cloaked banshees.
I liked Hellbat drops :'(
You are supposed to scout/scan at this game you know.... At this level of play, die to 2 cloak banshees cause u dont scan/scout is just not acceptable. Well deserved loss here.
On July 16 2013 02:32 Otolia wrote: So now that Hellbats are removed, the one who wins a TvT is the one who builds cloaked banshees.
I liked Hellbat drops :'(
You are supposed to scout/scan at this game you know.... At this level of play, die to 2 cloak banshees cause u dont scan/scout is just not acceptable. Well deserved loss here.
On July 16 2013 02:32 Otolia wrote: So now that Hellbats are removed, the one who wins a TvT is the one who builds cloaked banshees.
I liked Hellbat drops :'(
You are supposed to scout/scan at this game you know.... At this level of play, die to 2 cloak banshees cause u dont scan/scout is just not acceptable. Well deserved loss here.
Bomber didn't scout at all on the last map
I would have say the same if bomber loss.... Not scouting is a choice (that i dont like), but then u cant complain about instaloosing to random shit.
On July 16 2013 02:32 Otolia wrote: So now that Hellbats are removed, the one who wins a TvT is the one who builds cloaked banshees.
I liked Hellbat drops :'(
You are supposed to scout/scan at this game you know.... At this level of play, die to 2 cloak banshees cause u dont scan/scout is just not acceptable. Well deserved loss here.
Bomber didn't scout at all on the last map
I would have say the same if bomber loss.... Not scouting is a choice (that i dont like), but then u cant complain about instaloosing to random shit.
No you wouldn't have said the same thing. Besides my main argument was that Hellbat drops are more enjoyable to me than cloaked banshees.
On July 13 2013 21:58 Yhamm wrote: Did I miss the schedule for Jim vs Scarlett?
Nope. They will play probably on Thursday.
If we can assume there won't be a single match that day, then we might see mma-life, hyun-bomber and/or strelok's game either. It's still not confirmed if the games will be on thursday but if thats the case, we can expect a confirmation by tomorrow at last.
On July 18 2013 21:52 Niko_Thien wrote: So any games happening today? Nathanias mentioned on twitter that he would be casting Ritmix RSL today, but I dont see any info on that.
Cancelled because Scarlett and Jim can't play for whatever reason.
On July 18 2013 21:52 Niko_Thien wrote: So any games happening today? Nathanias mentioned on twitter that he would be casting Ritmix RSL today, but I dont see any info on that.
Cancelled because Scarlett and Jim can't play for whatever reason.
On July 18 2013 21:52 Niko_Thien wrote: So any games happening today? Nathanias mentioned on twitter that he would be casting Ritmix RSL today, but I dont see any info on that.
Apparently Scarlett is busy today again, ( she asked for reschedule for the 2nd time), It's rescheduled to Monday.
Wow, this is a sick build for Scarlett in Game 2... only melee attack upgrades, fast hive, very fast ultras, lots of queens and some infestors and finish it with broods
On July 22 2013 21:26 Shellshock1122 wrote: She tried this build twice during WCS AM I think but she just died to a 2 base attack from Oz and I forget what happened in the HerO game.
Yeah, whenever I try builds like this I just die to zealots.
GG WP by Scarlett, feels like Jim's play was a bitt off today.
crazy build by scarlett. I didn't really expect it to work that well, but the lack of anti air helped her corruptors really clean up during the first big fight. the spinecrawler wall behind that was brilliant
On July 22 2013 21:26 Shellshock1122 wrote: She tried this build twice during WCS AM I think but she just died to a 2 base attack from Oz and I forget what happened in the HerO game.
Yeah, whenever I try builds like this I just die to zealots.
GG WP by Scarlett, feels like Jim's play was a bitt off today.
LOL, JIM is so busy tonite, ITs IEM SHANGHAI CHINA qualifer today. He just finish semi final 3mins before the RSL game started, and now jumping into Winners finnal..
Here is the link if you want to cheering for him:http://www.twitch.tv/neotv_live
what happend in the first 10min? i saw some hellbats with 2medivacs but i missed the majority, how could MMA have such an early and big advantage like that
On July 22 2013 22:21 scr wrote: did MMA had any medivacs left? seems a bit early gg if he didnt
Life was 60+ supply down with 3 bases vs 4, against 3/3 when life didn't have an infestation pit. You could put teffel in mma's spot and he'd still win.
On July 22 2013 22:22 mycro wrote: Khaldor prefers zerg baby over protoss baby? dafuuuq
Microing vs WM's in multiple spots is pretty tough, Life should play riskier style ZvT's, he is better than MMA but not that much better, that was 3 base Z vs 1 Base T for a while hehe, Life should have been more aggressive at that point.
On July 22 2013 22:43 sibs wrote: Microing vs WM's in multiple spots is pretty tough, Life should play riskier style ZvT's, he is better than MMA but not that much better.
Life would probably win games 2 and 3 if not for that stupid opening.
On July 22 2013 22:33 bo1b wrote: Is a thor actually better then a few extra widowmines?
Thor pretty much prevents mutas from sniping widow mines in high Muta count situation, where you can clump them and snipe the widow mines in below 1,5 seconds. Because in that case the Thors delivers pretty much a widow mine splash hit to your mutas, even if it isn't +2 in attack upgrades.
Oh and you can of course kite mutas with a thor with a Medivac, because while you have the drop animation of the thors, he fires directly after it without the setup animation. Air is also priority, so it is rather easy ... well as long as there are no Overlords close.
Feel like MMA is indeed playing well but not as well as he did in some of those TeamStory Cup matches? Doesn't feel like him without the unending marine drops in the mid game but at least he is grinding out these wins! Life probably lost concentration in the last few minutes of game 3 though
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
well I kinda feel that right after beating someone, you shouldnt really go out in public and say "Pshh hes not that good as everyone hypes."
or "I dont know why people think hes good."
I mean, sure you can talk about who is good or who you dont think is that great,
but this is immediately after beating someone, gota go out in public and say that?
Your opinion on scarlett must be pretty low if every statement you see her make has to be torn apart to find deeper meaning. Apart from that, who cares? Political correctness is a disease past a certain point, and if you can't give an opinion on the skill of someone in a polite fashion then somethings wrong.
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
I don't know if I would call it BM, but I do find it to be hilariously ironic that someone with zero major tournament wins is talking about not believing the "hype" about someone else.
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
well I kinda feel that right after beating someone, you shouldnt really go out in public and say "Pshh hes not that good as everyone hypes."
or "I dont know why people think hes good."
I mean, sure you can talk about who is good or who you dont think is that great,
but this is immediately after beating someone, gota go out in public and say that?
Your opinion on scarlett must be pretty low if every statement you see her make has to be torn apart to find deeper meaning. Apart from that, who cares? Political correctness is a disease past a certain point, and if you can't give an opinion on the skill of someone in a polite fashion then somethings wrong.
im from vancouver, I always cheer for her, but i found that public tweet to be simply unnecessary
for example, at Dreamhack Hyun beats Jaedong
then immediately Hyun goes up on stage with Smix and says to everyone, "People call him the Tyrant? Pshh I dont buy that hype."
You dont see how saying something like that in public right after beating someone could be construed as BM?
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
I don't know if I would call it BM, but I do find it to be hilariously ironic that someone with zero major tournament wins is talking about not believing the "hype" about someone else.
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
well I kinda feel that right after beating someone, you shouldnt really go out in public and say "Pshh hes not that good as everyone hypes."
or "I dont know why people think hes good."
I mean, sure you can talk about who is good or who you dont think is that great,
but this is immediately after beating someone, gota go out in public and say that?
Your opinion on scarlett must be pretty low if every statement you see her make has to be torn apart to find deeper meaning. Apart from that, who cares? Political correctness is a disease past a certain point, and if you can't give an opinion on the skill of someone in a polite fashion then somethings wrong.
im from vancouver, I always cheer for her, but i found that public tweet to be simply unnecessary
for example, at Dreamhack Hyun beats Jaedong
then immediately Hyun goes up on stage with Smix and says to everyone, "People call him the Tyrant? Pshh I dont buy that hype."
You dont see how saying something like that in public right after beating someone could be construed as BM?
I can see it of course, but getting offended over something as trivial as that is pathetic. Trash talk happens everywhere, and is entertaining to a certain extent. A statement as polite as "I don't believe the hype" is so far from crossing the line it's unreal.
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
I don't know if I would call it BM, but I do find it to be hilariously ironic that someone with zero major tournament wins is talking about not believing the "hype" about someone else.
i never said that I was offended over it, in my original post I just said it "kinda seemed like BM"
saying the statement later on, is different from saying it immediately after beating someone
another example, Innovation beats Soulkey, then Innovation immediately goes up on stage and says to everyone, "People hyped Soulkey up to be good, I dont buy that hype."
what do you think the coaches, players, and audience reaction would be to that statement?
"humble" korean players who always bow and shake hands for example, wouldnt say that immediately after beating someone
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
I don't know if I would call it BM, but I do find it to be hilariously ironic that someone with zero major tournament wins is talking about not believing the "hype" about someone else.
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
I don't know if I would call it BM, but I do find it to be hilariously ironic that someone with zero major tournament wins is talking about not believing the "hype" about someone else.
Well, WCS NA is considered to be a major tournament. Maybe not a premier, but certainly a major tournament
I don't know... even if the prize-pool of that was $1,000,000, the competition was just not fierce enough for me to consider it to be major.
Basically, Scarlett is one of the most hyped players period, with almost no results to justify said hype. Decent results, especially for a foreigner, but definitely nothing that would be considered good out of any Korean.
edit: It should also be noted that Jim has a way better record against Koreans in HotS so far. 76% vs 48%
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
I don't know if I would call it BM, but I do find it to be hilariously ironic that someone with zero major tournament wins is talking about not believing the "hype" about someone else.
Well, WCS NA is considered to be a major tournament. Maybe not a premier, but certainly a major tournament
I don't know... even if the prize-pool of that was $1,000,000, the competition was just not fierce enough for me to consider it to be major.
Basically, Scarlett is one of the most hyped players period, with almost no results to justify said hype. Decent results, especially for a foreigner, but definitely nothing that would be considered good out of any Korean.
edit: It should also be noted that Jim has a way better record against Koreans in HotS so far. 76% vs 48%
Jim, and Chinese players in general, do not have enough of a record for us to base a judgment of skill. They play with an entirely different meta-game that other SC2 players have yet to get used to. After the end of WCS America, we'll have a better idea of where they stand, but at this point, that 76% is statistically insignificant.
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
I don't know if I would call it BM, but I do find it to be hilariously ironic that someone with zero major tournament wins is talking about not believing the "hype" about someone else.
Well, WCS NA is considered to be a major tournament. Maybe not a premier, but certainly a major tournament
I don't know... even if the prize-pool of that was $1,000,000, the competition was just not fierce enough for me to consider it to be major.
Basically, Scarlett is one of the most hyped players period, with almost no results to justify said hype. Decent results, especially for a foreigner, but definitely nothing that would be considered good out of any Korean.
edit: It should also be noted that Jim has a way better record against Koreans in HotS so far. 76% vs 48%
I guess 2-0ing Polt who recently won MLG Spring isn't enough of a result to show that Scarlett is more than hype. Despite her lack of #1 in major tournaments that aren't WCS NA, I think she's doing pretty well for herself. Oh, and she went 2-1 v Symbol for a 2-0 in her group while having a wrist injury, just saying.
On July 22 2013 21:32 DJHelium wrote: Scarlett @AcerScarlett 1m im not buying the hype ...
i just saw this thread, did Scarlett really say that?
hmmm.. seems kinda BM? ...
I hope she is talking about Jim and not Life.
If so I agree.
She tweeted it right after she beat Jim. I don't get how it would be BM. She said she doesnt buy into the hype. She didnt say Jim sucks or something
I don't know if I would call it BM, but I do find it to be hilariously ironic that someone with zero major tournament wins is talking about not believing the "hype" about someone else.
Well, WCS NA is considered to be a major tournament. Maybe not a premier, but certainly a major tournament
I don't know... even if the prize-pool of that was $1,000,000, the competition was just not fierce enough for me to consider it to be major.
Basically, Scarlett is one of the most hyped players period, with almost no results to justify said hype. Decent results, especially for a foreigner, but definitely nothing that would be considered good out of any Korean.
edit: It should also be noted that Jim has a way better record against Koreans in HotS so far. 76% vs 48%
Well, Scarlett gets hyped because of results as a foreigner. But all foreigners get hyped compare to Koreans with similar records.
Alex Trushlyakov @Alex007UA 23 juli @Startale_Bomber @Startale_Life yeah ok see you on Friday, KR server for Bomber vs HyuN, KR for Life vs Scarlett / NA for Life vs Strelok
Looks like bomber-hyun will be played tomorrow either which gives us..
I don't really see an issue with Scarlett's use of Twitter. What does annoy me is that I know if Naniwa certain others posted similar stuff the pitchforks would be coming out.
I quite enjoy it, bit of feisty trash-talk that doesn't go particularly overboard.
On July 26 2013 19:38 lichter wrote: For such a serious tournament I always wondered why this doesn't have individual LR threads
Thing is there's not that many games played on any given day, it's not like an offline tourney played over 2 days on a weekend. You are right though, they keep getting better and better players, it's getting to be a pretty big tourney.
On July 26 2013 19:38 lichter wrote: For such a serious tournament I always wondered why this doesn't have individual LR threads
It actually does have it, just not persistent enough due the scheduling. I believe the organizers show some flexibility towards the players which results in days where there are 5 matches and in other days where you only have 1 match. In these cases, I refrain from doing a LR for that 1 match. We try to do LRs whenever we can tho!
Last but not least, the LRs could use more volunteers!
On July 26 2013 19:38 lichter wrote: For such a serious tournament I always wondered why this doesn't have individual LR threads
It actually does have it, just not persistent enough due the scheduling. I believe the organizers show some flexibility towards the players which results in days where there are 5 matches and in other days where you only have 1 match. In these cases, I refrain from doing a LR for that 1 match. We try to do LRs whenever we can tho!
Last but not least, the LRs could use more volunteers!
The solution is probably to have one LR thread for each round. Would be confusing when rounds aren't played in order though @_@
Also this thread is already 33 pages. Would be kinda crummy to break its momentum lol so I guess we can just make this the official unofficial LR thread
According to Alex007 words on the official stream Bomber is given a free win in semifinals, but there's still a chance that HyuN will be able to participate in the 3rd place match vs Scarlett.
On July 26 2013 22:58 Panishev wrote: Hyun cann't find place to play from in China. We will reschedule Bomber vs Hyun to the other date. Pls, stay tuned for Scarlett vs Strelok.
We need an update on this. There are rumours of a forfeit loss.
On July 26 2013 22:58 Panishev wrote: Hyun cann't find place to play from in China. We will reschedule Bomber vs Hyun to the other date. Pls, stay tuned for Scarlett vs Strelok.
We need an update on this. There are rumours of a forfeit loss.
We are still trying to arrenge match Bomber vs Hyun.
On July 26 2013 22:58 Panishev wrote: Hyun cann't find place to play from in China. We will reschedule Bomber vs Hyun to the other date. Pls, stay tuned for Scarlett vs Strelok.
We need an update on this. There are rumours of a forfeit loss.
We are still trying to arrenge match Bomber vs Hyun.
Was there a reason the tournament couldn't be delayed for a while to wait for Hyun? Why was an online tournament bound to a strict schedule? Not having Bomber vs Hyun made me really sad.
Was there a reason the tournament couldn't be delayed for a while to wait for Hyun? Why was an online tournament bound to a strict schedule?
The thing is not just a strict schedule (but actually yes, we can't delay the season for 1-2 weeks more). After IEM HyuN immediately goes to ROG, he has literally no time except just few date+time combinations, which are not that good for making the games happen. All other remaining players should also be able to play just these dates which is not really possible. You can ask why the hell we didn't play these games earlier, but it was also not possible due to schedule issues. We also worked together with HyuN and ESL (thanks them for help, btw!) to make the games from China possible, but it didn't worked well. Of course it's a shame to get the W/O here, but this is the best way to solve this situation. We will try not to make such a thing happen in the future seasons. See you in finals!
On July 28 2013 19:15 monk wrote: Was there a reason the tournament couldn't be delayed for a while to wait for Hyun? Why was an online tournament bound to a strict schedule? Not having Bomber vs Hyun made me really sad.
On July 28 2013 19:15 monk wrote: Was there a reason the tournament couldn't be delayed for a while to wait for Hyun? Why was an online tournament bound to a strict schedule? Not having Bomber vs Hyun made me really sad.
Hyun declined farther participation in RSL V.
Will this have any effect on future RSL's for HyuN?
On July 29 2013 02:30 havok55 wrote: Does this reset Bomber's Law or is it tournament specific?
It doesn't have to be tournament specific, but the level of disappointment in the fall(s) has to be equal to or greater than the amount of hype that was previously built. I personally don't think it's fully reset yet.
On July 29 2013 02:30 havok55 wrote: Does this reset Bomber's Law or is it tournament specific?
It doesn't have to be tournament specific, but the level of disappointment in the fall(s) has to be equal to or greater than the amount of hype that was previously built. I personally don't think it's fully reset yet.
On July 29 2013 02:30 havok55 wrote: Does this reset Bomber's Law or is it tournament specific?
It doesn't have to be tournament specific, but the level of disappointment in the fall(s) has to be equal to or greater than the amount of hype that was previously built. I personally don't think it's fully reset yet.
What about him getting 2-0d by Sora in WCG?
Oh yeah, that definitely helps. If only the qualifiers had had more exposure, the disappointment would have been greater. :/
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Sora in WCG?
