these games are quite funny, ryung donates a widow mine, then hero tries his best to donate an oracle and then ryung fails basic stutter stepping twice. :D

Kashll

United States1117 Posts

June 02 2013 20:07 GMT

#824

Hero is so good

Heartland

Sweden24603 Posts

June 02 2013 20:07 GMT

#825

I love PvT Stargate play

packrat386

United States5077 Posts

June 02 2013 20:07 GMT

#826

I feel like phoenix just aren't worth it unless you really smack down some drops in the midgame. So much natural AA for the terran.

Sabu113

United States11082 Posts

June 02 2013 20:07 GMT

#827

Why bring hte oracle with the phoenix? Lotta gas for semiuseful units.

GreyKnight

United States4720 Posts

June 02 2013 20:07 GMT

#828

Hero is setting up for the 2 base collosus all in with these phoenixes and the oracle it should win if ryung doesn't scout it.

nvm

kju

6143 Posts

June 02 2013 20:08 GMT

#829

On June 03 2013 05:07 Sabu113 wrote:
Why bring hte oracle with the phoenix? Lotta gas for semiuseful units.

he needs detection for widow mines

OfficeBrahzz

121 Posts

June 02 2013 20:08 GMT

#830

On June 03 2013 04:57 packrat386 wrote:

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On June 03 2013 04:54 OfficeBrahzz wrote:

On June 03 2013 04:51 packrat386 wrote:

On June 03 2013 04:48 OfficeBrahzz wrote:

On June 03 2013 04:39 packrat386 wrote:

On June 03 2013 04:37 OfficeBrahzz wrote:
im thinking of an idea against protoss....

stop at ~6 swarmhosts. dont even upgrade enduring locusts since the locusts die so fast anyway and they can still cover space

couple ultralisks, hydra/roach/queen, some lings, 3/3/3 upgrades, and 3 infestors for nueral parasite

thats probably much better than mass swarmhost crap

then, you nueral parasite 3 archons / immortals / voidrays lawl (collossi are too far back)

dont even upgrade pathogen glands. just upgrade nueral only, make some infestors, then the energy should come out to where you can use neural in the fights and win fights

This is such bad theory crafting. There is no room in your army for enough of any one thing to really be useful. Zerg thrives on switching tech rapidly to force out more costly unit switches from opponents. Also going for infestors without getting pathogen glands is a great way to die before lategame hits.

i am a master zerg i know i shouldnt theorycraft in this thread but i too have been having my swarmhosts getting slaughtered by collossi

ive been trying to think how to make ultras viable (because they get shredded by immortals) then it just hit me hahahaha.... just neural some immortals that maybe could work turning the tides.

and if i am only making 3 infestors just to neural 3 immortals and retain them after fights, then i wont be upgrading pathogen glands. thats useful for 5+ infestors. And by going roach/hydra/queen/swarmhost you can turtle like snute did vs alicia and eventually get that army + upgrades, instead while snute got 14+ swarmhosts and vipers and broodlords I instead would opt for some ultras and queen/hydra/ling with just 3 infestors for neural

k this last theorycraft post. just was sharing my strategy thoughts watching swarmhosts get shredded

You're definitely at a higher level of play that I'm at, but I feel like when the backbone of your army is largely hydra/roach you're going to lose in the lategame. I watch a lot of professional play and its so rare to see that work for long. As for ultras working well vs protoss, while they may perhaps get shredded by immortals you could force him to make them and then just switch into BLs since they don't shoot up. Its not like hes probably going to have a lot of immortals in his lategame army by default.

well im thinking hydra/roach is midgame. as im approaching 200food ill shift out the roaches

lategame 200food im thinking just a couple roaches, 2-3couple ultras (just to crush forcefields), 6 swarmhosts, queen+hydra, 3 infestors, rest of minerals into lings (and i guess some corrupters if protoss is going mass air) im thinking this is going to be my next goal army in my next few ZvP's

I feel like that army just gets crushed by a large amount of colossi as long as there is like, zealot support. It outranges you so hard and your hydra backbone is going to melt unless you manage to kill the colossi quickly.

I think it will trade just fine. I engage and kill his frontal zealots / frontal units and after roaches/ultras/ lings die I pull back, to my base and stay defensive on spines and swarmhosts while refill my army with roaches. Roaches build in 27 seconds then i trade again, killing more stuff, pulling back once my frontal roaches die, making roaches again to trade again

It should be a better fight than having tons of swarmhosts. roaches are alot better to make against collossi than swarmhosts

Heartland

Sweden24603 Posts

June 02 2013 20:08 GMT

#831

On June 03 2013 05:07 packrat386 wrote:
I feel like phoenix just aren't worth it unless you really smack down some drops in the midgame. So much natural AA for the terran.

But you also deter them using drops in general. That can be worth it in and out of itself.