EPT[SPL] KT Rolster vs. Samsung KHAN R5 - Page 10
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ktgster
Canada70 Posts
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Arrtee
Australia102 Posts
It won't let me turn it down and Twitch is blocked at work. | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
On May 06 2013 16:32 Ghanburighan wrote: I remember you, you make balance whiney posts about ZvT quite often. Balance whine in this thread so far: ktgster pylonsalad YourHarry Tsubbi At some point, balance whines are legitimate. When the cost-effectiveness in terms of resources and attention devoted to dropping 4 fire-and-forget units vs the amount needed to defend it is so one-sided, the game design is flawed. | ||
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rj rl
648 Posts
On May 06 2013 16:33 ktgster wrote: T_T, I very clearly stated that my post was not intended for balance whine. I just simply have not seen that build held and am wondering which zergs have held this, sorry if this was not clear. iirc effort defended it and won afterwards, albeit all his forces had gone to a counter push. ps: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/games/162278_EffOrt_vs_Hack | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
On May 06 2013 16:19 ktgster wrote: Not balance whining here, but what can Z do against that? Life died to the same thing, it seems the even if you have positioned at your bases, the terran drops in your mineral line regardless and does insane damage. I know flash is god etc etc, but what can Z do against that? theres nothing u can do period, roro had perfect scouting and preparation with roaches and queens in mineral lines, the terran will still drop into it and be more than cost efficient, any fair terran will admit that theres a problem with hellbat drops User was warned for this post | ||
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ktgster
Canada70 Posts
On May 06 2013 16:35 rj rl wrote: iirc effort defended it and won afterwards, albeit all his forces had gone to a counter push thanks! | ||
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Yorke
England881 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19384 Posts
On May 06 2013 16:35 Tsubbi wrote: theres nothing u can do period, roro had perfect scouting and preparation with roaches and queens in mineral lines, the terran will still drop into it and be more than cost efficient, any fair terran will admit that theres a problem with hellbat drops The only issue I have is that at least in SC1 against Flash's timing pushes the dps isn't as insane as sc2 so you have a chance to micro your way against his army and you are able to use what units are available to stall the push while switching tech. In sc2 the battle happens so quickly we see Roro gg with 180 supply lol. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12527 Posts
On May 06 2013 16:32 Ghanburighan wrote: I remember you, you make balance whiney posts about ZvT quite often. Balance whine in this thread so far: ktgster pylonsalad YourHarry Tsubbi ktgster wrote like 150 times that he was after solutions, not balance, and the other two posted after you complained. Anyway 4 people is very low in TL standards, your outrage is invalid. Btw you went into my history and that's all the whine you could find? lol. I've complained way harder than that. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
roro actually did have some static defenses. and iirc, roro did react to these drops better than other zerg pros i have seen hellbat drops against. edit: noticed someone post an effort game. i will check it out thanks. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24604 Posts
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rj rl
648 Posts
also Soulkey vs Maru g3, great sophisticated game from zerg http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/games/160190_Maru_vs_Soulkey | ||
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Santi
Colombia466 Posts
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
On May 06 2013 16:32 rj rl wrote: how does one stop 30+ scvs dying when roach-bane-bust occurs? One doesn't. Does it make roach-baneling ridiculously OP? Totally, according to you. It's all about timing and how much do you cut your own economy to be able to pull the strong aggression off. Terran suffers no economic cost for doing hellbat drops. Its a false comparison you're making. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
On May 06 2013 16:40 YourHarry wrote: not trying to whine. but it doesn't matter what you call it. I want to know if there are other ways to defend against hellbat drops than to having to sacrifice a lot of econ to build static defenses so early in the game. also i want to know if there have been pro games where zerg player successfully stopped hellbat drops. roro actually did have some static defenses. and iirc, roro did react to these drops better than other zerg pros i have seen hellbat drops against. edit: noticed someone post an effort game. i will check it out thanks. the only high level korean game a terran lost with this build is in the ro32 of this season where life on daybreak counterattacked with 28 drones left vs 3 cc terran, it only worked becuz the terran fucked up though, if you try to defend and macro up its a lost cause though | ||
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