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On April 27 2013 16:11 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid. wtf more computers ? do you think before you post ? ther was enough "computers" they waited and waited and even with that they had to play until late in the night ... how long should have the others wait and finish tournament ? 3am ? 5am ? thats bs the problem was the delay of the tournament there IS an excuse and as much i hate a coinflip it was the 120% only and correct way to do it ... lol with GSL vs dreamhack a motnhly tournament where you have 1 group xD you CANT delay something when you only play 1 group a day but here was another group AFTER that group to play with others to wait .. why i disucc with someone not understand anyhting btw ?
I have to disagree. The root of the problem lies in the system itself. Yes, there is an excuse, but it's not a valid one, because the system was broken before one match was played. They need to implement a system where a coinflip is not an option.
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On April 27 2013 14:45 Psyclon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 14:41 JJH777 wrote:
Wtf they did 3 group stages in 1 day an are now doing the whole bracket on one day? Damn that has to be terrible for the players. No pain, no gain. As Geoff said, tournaments are not fluffy pillows and ice cream, they are WAR!!! Aaaaarghrgrhrg! Well, i'm paraphrasing 
It should be a war with the other players based on skill not a war with a terrible almost sleepless schedule.
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Wtf, DH ends today? But I am busy in the evening... <.<
Why don't they extend the event till sunday? Then they don't need to hurry out the games and use a coinflip if tiebreakers go on too long...
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On April 27 2013 16:32 JustPassingBy wrote:
Wtf, DH ends today? But I am busy in the evening... <.<
Why don't they extend the event till sunday? Then they don't need to hurry out the games and use a coinflip if tiebreakers go on too long...
it's not exactly an easy venue to rent
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On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid.
I see you ignored my response. I will just keep linking this post if people keep insisting that coinflipping is stupid.
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On April 27 2013 16:28 Delicious Insanity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 16:11 CoR wrote:On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid. wtf more computers ? do you think before you post ? ther was enough "computers" they waited and waited and even with that they had to play until late in the night ... how long should have the others wait and finish tournament ? 3am ? 5am ? thats bs the problem was the delay of the tournament there IS an excuse and as much i hate a coinflip it was the 120% only and correct way to do it ... lol with GSL vs dreamhack a motnhly tournament where you have 1 group xD you CANT delay something when you only play 1 group a day but here was another group AFTER that group to play with others to wait .. why i disucc with someone not understand anyhting btw ? I have to disagree. The root of the problem lies in the system itself. Yes, there is an excuse, but it's not a valid one, because the system was broken before one match was played. They need to implement a system where a coinflip is not an option.
O God i hate posts like that. Noone hates on GSL system yet it is flawed and unfair to the root. GSL applies coinflip BEFORE group games (who plays who), which is nothing more than rolling dices or fliping a coin. Yet people dare to complain on system that allows randomness only after alll other options are used. Hipocrites.
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Russian Federation823 Posts
Actually i'm very surprised to see so few terran in ro16.
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Leenock currently 12-0. ^^ Expecting Gumiho to beat Leenock in the finals, hoping that Naniwa beats Leenock in the finals (oh what a storyline that would be!)
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Russian Federation949 Posts
Soooo 2 terrans in round of 16, just like Lings of Liberty.
Also- 15 koreans in round of 32 and only 7 in round of 16. Europe actually managed to decrease proportion of Koreans in later round. Not bad
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On April 27 2013 16:37 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 16:28 Delicious Insanity wrote:On April 27 2013 16:11 CoR wrote:On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:
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that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid. wtf more computers ? do you think before you post ? ther was enough "computers" they waited and waited and even with that they had to play until late in the night ... how long should have the others wait and finish tournament ? 3am ? 5am ? thats bs the problem was the delay of the tournament there IS an excuse and as much i hate a coinflip it was the 120% only and correct way to do it ... lol with GSL vs dreamhack a motnhly tournament where you have 1 group xD you CANT delay something when you only play 1 group a day but here was another group AFTER that group to play with others to wait .. why i disucc with someone not understand anyhting btw ? I have to disagree. The root of the problem lies in the system itself. Yes, there is an excuse, but it's not a valid one, because the system was broken before one match was played. They need to implement a system where a coinflip is not an option. O God i hate posts like that. Noone hates on GSL system yet it is flawed and unfair to the root. GSL applies coinflip BEFORE group games (who plays who), which is nothing more than rolling dices or fliping a coin. Yet people dare to complain on system that allows randomness only after alll other options are used. Hipocrites.
Why do you hate my post? This thread is about DH, not the GSL. The discussion is about DH's system, not GSL's system. I didn't mention the GSL. I didn't say they need the GSL system.
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On April 27 2013 16:37 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 16:28 Delicious Insanity wrote:On April 27 2013 16:11 CoR wrote:On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:
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that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid. wtf more computers ? do you think before you post ? ther was enough "computers" they waited and waited and even with that they had to play until late in the night ... how long should have the others wait and finish tournament ? 3am ? 5am ? thats bs the problem was the delay of the tournament there IS an excuse and as much i hate a coinflip it was the 120% only and correct way to do it ... lol with GSL vs dreamhack a motnhly tournament where you have 1 group xD you CANT delay something when you only play 1 group a day but here was another group AFTER that group to play with others to wait .. why i disucc with someone not understand anyhting btw ? I have to disagree. The root of the problem lies in the system itself. Yes, there is an excuse, but it's not a valid one, because the system was broken before one match was played. They need to implement a system where a coinflip is not an option. O God i hate posts like that. Noone hates on GSL system yet it is flawed and unfair to the root. GSL applies coinflip BEFORE group games (who plays who), which is nothing more than rolling dices or fliping a coin. Yet people dare to complain on system that allows randomness only after alll other options are used. Hipocrites.
GSL has seeding based on GSL points.
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Hmm, I can't see scheduling for games 5-8 in the Ro16. Is that up anywhere?
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On April 27 2013 16:32 JustPassingBy wrote:
Wtf, DH ends today? But I am busy in the evening... <.<
Why don't they extend the event till sunday? Then they don't need to hurry out the games and use a coinflip if tiebreakers go on too long...
Time constraint is not the reason Dreamhack has to use flips. They could just copy the GSL format of a pseudo group stage which would be less time consuming than the system they have now and guarantee that no coinflips will happen. However, that system would be less fair to the players, because the risk is higher that the best two players do not advance.
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Canada16217 Posts
On April 27 2013 16:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid. I see you ignored my response. I will just keep linking this post if people keep insisting that coinflipping is stupid.
Your post is bad lol, in no way is it better for determining the "best players"
this part makes me really lol
"If anything, argue that Dreamhack's format is too time consuming or that coinflips look bad for the casual and uneducated viewer."
The GSL format is most fair in the sense that you don't get screwed over with a coinflip. There should NEVER be a coinflip in a professional sport, it's ridiculous when you are trying to determine the best player.
Both may be flawed but one is far more flawed then the other.
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On April 27 2013 16:44 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 16:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid. I see you ignored my response. I will just keep linking this post if people keep insisting that coinflipping is stupid. Your post is bad lol, in no way is it better for determining the "best players" this part makes me really lol "If anything, argue that Dreamhack's format is too time consuming or that coinflips look bad for the casual and uneducated viewer." The GSL format is most fair in the sense that you don't get screwed over with a coinflip. There should NEVER be a coinflip in a professional sport, it's ridiculous when you are trying to determine the best player. Both may be flawed but one is far more flawed then the other.
I don't agree with coinflips either, not because it's not fair but because there should be the tension of a match deciding their fate.
The brackets of the tournament or what group you end up in is the same as coinflips. The only tournament format that is 100% fair is a full round robin lol.
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On April 27 2013 16:44 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 16:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid. I see you ignored my response. I will just keep linking this post if people keep insisting that coinflipping is stupid. Your post is bad lol, in no way is it better for determining the "best players" this part makes me really lol "If anything, argue that Dreamhack's format is too time consuming or that coinflips look bad for the casual and uneducated viewer." The GSL format is most fair in the sense that you don't get screwed over with a coinflip. There should NEVER be a coinflip in a professional sport, it's ridiculous when you are trying to determine the best player. Both may be flawed but one is far more flawed then the other.
You just don't seemt to understand my post. There is a greater element of luck in the GSL system. This is also a good post on the topic:
On April 27 2013 16:37 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 16:28 Delicious Insanity wrote:On April 27 2013 16:11 CoR wrote:On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:
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that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid. wtf more computers ? do you think before you post ? ther was enough "computers" they waited and waited and even with that they had to play until late in the night ... how long should have the others wait and finish tournament ? 3am ? 5am ? thats bs the problem was the delay of the tournament there IS an excuse and as much i hate a coinflip it was the 120% only and correct way to do it ... lol with GSL vs dreamhack a motnhly tournament where you have 1 group xD you CANT delay something when you only play 1 group a day but here was another group AFTER that group to play with others to wait .. why i disucc with someone not understand anyhting btw ? I have to disagree. The root of the problem lies in the system itself. Yes, there is an excuse, but it's not a valid one, because the system was broken before one match was played. They need to implement a system where a coinflip is not an option. O God i hate posts like that. Noone hates on GSL system yet it is flawed and unfair to the root. GSL applies coinflip BEFORE group games (who plays who), which is nothing more than rolling dices or fliping a coin. Yet people dare to complain on system that allows randomness only after alll other options are used. Hipocrites.
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On April 27 2013 16:48 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 16:44 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 27 2013 16:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:
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that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid. I see you ignored my response. I will just keep linking this post if people keep insisting that coinflipping is stupid. Your post is bad lol, in no way is it better for determining the "best players" this part makes me really lol "If anything, argue that Dreamhack's format is too time consuming or that coinflips look bad for the casual and uneducated viewer." The GSL format is most fair in the sense that you don't get screwed over with a coinflip. There should NEVER be a coinflip in a professional sport, it's ridiculous when you are trying to determine the best player. Both may be flawed but one is far more flawed then the other. You just don't seemt to understand my post. There is a greater element of luck in the GSL system. This is also a good post on the topic: Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 16:37 Silvanel wrote:On April 27 2013 16:28 Delicious Insanity wrote:On April 27 2013 16:11 CoR wrote:On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:
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really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid. wtf more computers ? do you think before you post ? ther was enough "computers" they waited and waited and even with that they had to play until late in the night ... how long should have the others wait and finish tournament ? 3am ? 5am ? thats bs the problem was the delay of the tournament there IS an excuse and as much i hate a coinflip it was the 120% only and correct way to do it ... lol with GSL vs dreamhack a motnhly tournament where you have 1 group xD you CANT delay something when you only play 1 group a day but here was another group AFTER that group to play with others to wait .. why i disucc with someone not understand anyhting btw ? I have to disagree. The root of the problem lies in the system itself. Yes, there is an excuse, but it's not a valid one, because the system was broken before one match was played. They need to implement a system where a coinflip is not an option. O God i hate posts like that. Noone hates on GSL system yet it is flawed and unfair to the root. GSL applies coinflip BEFORE group games (who plays who), which is nothing more than rolling dices or fliping a coin. Yet people dare to complain on system that allows randomness only after alll other options are used. Hipocrites.
DH style of round robin group and coinflip after tiebreakers is technically more fair than GSL style groups, but that doesn't mean it's better.
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instead of doing coinflips they should just play the tiebreaker matches out on steppes of war or icarus, that'll solve the time issue lol
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On April 27 2013 15:54 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 11:53 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 11:32 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 11:24 Rostam wrote:On April 27 2013 10:51 RogerChillingworth wrote:On April 27 2013 10:36 Die4Ever wrote:On April 27 2013 10:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:that would be very Boring, indeed. really? I think the only way that could be better is if Jaedong beat Verdi, but I'd love to see a Leenock vs Gumiho finals edit: and yeah, these gaping holes in tournament formats are getting quite old. It's 2013 and we still have a bo3 bracket and coin flips. Can't get much more retarded. At least we have a good ro16 player pool, or it would be a total laughable disaster. Why should the fact that it's 2013 change those things? Has time slowed down? They have a lot of games to run and a limited amount of time to run them in. They can't do every game bo37 and they can't do endless tiebreakers. Seriously, "laughable disaster"? Wow. Lol. GSL never had to flip a coin to decide who advances from their groups. And that's just it. Bo3 is a time saving format, not one that finds the best player at the event. Bo5s should come sooner. If you've made it to the ro8 (i'd honestly say even the ro16) out of 96 players, you deserve a bo5. GSL doesn't have to be played in 2 days. Fucking add more computers then. It doesn't matter what it takes, man. Flipping a coin to decide who advances in a tournament is uncalled for. There's no excuse. An established business and a series of trained professions working on an international level should be able to figure out a way to make it work. And not just work, work seamlessly. If it takes a little extra time for one group to find their results, then broadcast group stage 3 matches in OTHER groups first..among a number of other things Dreamhack is responsible for thinking about. it doesn't have to be the GSL format, necessarily. It just has to not be stupid.
Lack of Computers? What? Do you fail to have any understanding of what the problem was?
There becomes a point where you can't just let people play tiebreakers all night. It happened during the second group stages, which meant that they couldn't even play 2 groups in the 3rd round until the tiebreaker was over.
This literally is something that happens like once in three years. No one would ever take this rule seriously if it was brought up before hand because, well, wtf are the chances of it happening?
It sucks, but it had to happen. You're going to have to sacrifice something if you are doing group stages. I.E GSL group stages are not 100% fair because it is possible to get lucky with the group. (I.E there is a group with you, a Terran, and 2 zerg and you are bad against Terran. You win your match and the zerg wins his, so you play the zerg and get out without even playing the Terran.)
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