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On April 18 2013 23:49 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 23:44 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 18 2013 23:26 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 18 2013 23:23 opterown wrote:On April 18 2013 23:19 DidYuhim wrote:On April 18 2013 22:39 mordk wrote:On April 18 2013 22:38 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 18 2013 22:37 mordk wrote:On April 18 2013 22:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 18 2013 22:29 revoN wrote:
Tomorrow's group is gonna be great too. There's like no weak players in that group.
Also with 8 KeSPA advancing already in the worst-case scenario it will be 50/50 between them and eSF in the Ro16!
GSL is only getting better and better with each tournament. eSF can only get to 43.75% in Ro16 if the best scenario for them happens. Huh? If Leenock and Life go through it's gonna be 50% eSF One could argue about Parting as well, but I guess it's almost enough time for him to be considered KeSPA Taeja's not. Oh well I tend to call all non-kespa koreans eSF koreans... it's meaningless though. The whole KeSPA vs eSF is meaningless, but people still want to argue. On April 18 2013 23:19 illidanx wrote:
KESSPAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111 hahaha What's funny about that? They are not the same person. I hate when people say KESPA vs ESF is meaningless, its the thing that is keeping me most interested in SC2, I posted this a few days ago in Group C, when someone else said something similar, trying to explain to him why it matters to some people.. On April 11 2013 00:41 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
why do people care about kespa or esf. it doesnt fucking matter Oh it matters. I despise anyone that is a fan of ESF. I think BW is superior in every way over SC2 and that KESPA players are the best RTS players. So by them crushing ESF guys I think it validates my believe. Its one of the main reasons I follow the SC2 scene. I also dont get why people get upset when someone posts about one or the other superiority. Thats the kind of stuff that makes rooting for sports so fun. As long as its done in a not in your face way, I dont see anything wrong with it. I would love to have SC2 get to a point where you go to a live event, and some players actually get booed and stuff (minus of course flash cause thats just not cool). But yeah it matters to some of us, I'll never ever root for ESF and wont be satisfied till they all go back to being B-team dishwashers, harsh I know, but its how I feel. I get that it dosent matter to some of you, but why do you assume then that its the same for everyone. Some of us identify strongly with one side or the other, I dont get why this bothers you guys. Find something yourselfs to be passionate about but dont get angry and annoyed at us for being passionate about something. You call it passion, I call it being exceptionally childish.
I have strong feelings about it, I dont make posts insulting one side or the other, or boasting when KESPA is winning. Just in my heart I feel strongly about it. I would agree wiht you that if Flash wins, and I go in and post HAHAH suck it ESF, that would be childish. I dont do that, and you can confirm with my post history.
I dont know what you are extremly passionate about, but say it was soccer, and if I didnt give a fuck about soccer, does that give me the right to say your childish for carrying about soccer or a particular team? No, you obviously Identify with it for some reason, which I dont understand but I can respect. I happen to identify very strongly with KESPA players and hate ESF players, so im passionate about the rivalry. You may not understand or agree with me, but just because you dont have the same feelings as me about it, how does that make my feelings childish??
Its like someone comes and says, why care about a video game.
You can probably answer them, as to why you care about video games.
Then you may have gamers, and some of them maybe dont get why anyone would care about sc2.
Im sure you can explain to them why you are passionate about Sc2.
You may have Sc2 fans not understand why you like koreans, and watch GSL.
Im that there are people here that can explain why they are passionate about that.
You may have people not get why you care about a certain player.
You can probably explain, why you identify with him and cheer for him.
You have people who dont get why people care about ESF and KESPA
Well some of us can tell you why we identify, and care about that.
At every one of those levels a persons lack of understanding sometimes called ignorance, can lead to them saying shit like "your childish" "video games are stupid" "who cares about kroeans they got no personality" "whats the difference between KESPA and ESF its the same shit"....
Now we can see why I refer to it as passion and you as childish.
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You guys need to get over this ESF versus KeSPA and vice versa bullshit. It's getting old and stale.
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Kespa fights back, I see ^_^
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And the same goes for "Korean vs Foreigners". I don't "like Koreans", I just like good players. If they happen to be Korean, well then so be it.
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Well, as childish as people seem to think it is, I don't see why they have to be bashed for it. I don't think it will ever reach a point where it becomes detrimental to the growth of SC2 anyway.
I don't think he thinks being a fan of Kespa > a fan of eSF, he probably just feels that the BW pros are the best RTS players, and that the early SC2 pros are upstarts who has gained undeserved recognition.
His belief will be put to the test as SC2 progresses, so I don't see why there is a need to bash him, seeing as he's doing no harm. He isn't making any personal attacks on fans or players, he just has an assumption that BW pros are still the best, even if he fails to realise SC2 is a new game and requires subtly different skills in varying measures.
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Kespa vs eSF would only make sense if they were competing in the same teamleague. Otherwise, it's a rather dull and meaningless rivalry for me :<
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 19 2013 00:14 StarStruck wrote:
You guys need to get over this ESF versus KeSPA and vice versa bullshit. It's getting old and stale.
If it keeps people watching the game and keeps these players paid, then whatevs man do whatever you want
But some day the mods are going to get tired of it (if it gets worse) and make LR threads "No kespa vs esf" zones (like how balance whine is almost inta-temp ban).
Anyway I've gotten tired of this debate. The sensitive side won't grow thicker skins; the offensive side won't learn to be more amicable.
I just want good games yo
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Let there be BLOOD ESF VS KeSPA. Whoever is against that movement is killing eSports. Plain and simple. What's wrong with a little rivalry?
Taking it overboard is a problem (e.g. Canucks losing the Cup and trashing the city) but the rivalry is amazing. Tournament viewers plummet when there are only Koreans left. Sad fact. Perhaps the KeSPA vs ESF will put an end to it.
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On April 19 2013 00:14 ChoiSulli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 23:49 forsooth wrote:On April 18 2013 23:44 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 18 2013 23:26 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 18 2013 23:23 opterown wrote:On April 18 2013 23:19 DidYuhim wrote:On April 18 2013 22:39 mordk wrote:On April 18 2013 22:38 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 18 2013 22:37 mordk wrote:On April 18 2013 22:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
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eSF can only get to 43.75% in Ro16 if the best scenario for them happens.
Huh? If Leenock and Life go through it's gonna be 50% eSF One could argue about Parting as well, but I guess it's almost enough time for him to be considered KeSPA Taeja's not. Oh well I tend to call all non-kespa koreans eSF koreans... it's meaningless though. The whole KeSPA vs eSF is meaningless, but people still want to argue. On April 18 2013 23:19 illidanx wrote:
KESSPAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111 hahaha What's funny about that? They are not the same person. I hate when people say KESPA vs ESF is meaningless, its the thing that is keeping me most interested in SC2, I posted this a few days ago in Group C, when someone else said something similar, trying to explain to him why it matters to some people.. On April 11 2013 00:41 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
why do people care about kespa or esf. it doesnt fucking matter Oh it matters. I despise anyone that is a fan of ESF. I think BW is superior in every way over SC2 and that KESPA players are the best RTS players. So by them crushing ESF guys I think it validates my believe. Its one of the main reasons I follow the SC2 scene. I also dont get why people get upset when someone posts about one or the other superiority. Thats the kind of stuff that makes rooting for sports so fun. As long as its done in a not in your face way, I dont see anything wrong with it. I would love to have SC2 get to a point where you go to a live event, and some players actually get booed and stuff (minus of course flash cause thats just not cool). But yeah it matters to some of us, I'll never ever root for ESF and wont be satisfied till they all go back to being B-team dishwashers, harsh I know, but its how I feel. I get that it dosent matter to some of you, but why do you assume then that its the same for everyone. Some of us identify strongly with one side or the other, I dont get why this bothers you guys. Find something yourselfs to be passionate about but dont get angry and annoyed at us for being passionate about something. You call it passion, I call it being exceptionally childish. I have strong feelings about it, I dont make posts insulting one side or the other, or boasting when KESPA is winning. Just in my heart I feel strongly about it. I would agree wiht you that if Flash wins, and I go in and post HAHAH suck it ESF, that would be childish. I dont do that, and you can confirm with my post history. I dont know what you are extremly passionate about, but say it was soccer, and if I didnt give a fuck about soccer, does that give me the right to say your childish for carrying about soccer or a particular team? No, you obviously Identify with it for some reason, which I dont understand but I can respect. I happen to identify very strongly with KESPA players and hate ESF players, so im passionate about the rivalry. You may not understand or agree with me, but just because you dont have the same feelings as me about it, how does that make my feelings childish?? Its like someone comes and says, why care about a video game. You can probably answer them, as to why you care about video games. Then you may have gamers, and some of them maybe dont get why anyone would care about sc2. Im sure you can explain to them why you are passionate about Sc2. You may have Sc2 fans not understand why you like koreans, and watch GSL. Im that there are people here that can explain why they are passionate about that. You may have people not get why you care about a certain player. You can probably explain, why you identify with him and cheer for him. You have people who dont get why people care about ESF and KESPA Well some of us can tell you why we identify, and care about that. At every one of those levels a persons lack of understanding sometimes called ignorance, can lead to them saying shit like "your childish" "video games are stupid" "who cares about kroeans they got no personality" "whats the difference between KESPA and ESF its the same shit".... Now we can see why I refer to it as passion and you as childish.
You said it yourself, you hate all ESF players and their fans, and for what? Cheering for one side or the other, I understand. Spitting on and considering the other a bunch of trash scrubs with retards for fans on the other hand, is the mindset of a petty child.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 19 2013 00:23 Slardar wrote:
Let there be BLOOD ESF VS KeSPA. Whoever is against that movement is killing eSports. Plain and simple. What's wrong with a little rivalry?
Taking it overboard is a problem (e.g. Canucks losing the Cup and trashing the city) but the rivalry is amazing. Tournament viewers plummet when there are only Koreans left. Sad fact. Perhaps the KeSPA vs ESF will put an end to it.
A majority of fans are casuals. Unfortunately I don't think they'll care about eSF vs Kespa. To them everyone is just Korean. Pretty sure the casuals know jack shit about BW too. It might help the Korean scene (though I don't think they care that much either).
To be honest the rivalry only exists in hardcore bw/sc2 forums. But if it makes you like the game more go ahead
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Btw I think you can detect fairly consistently which "faction" is a poster from by just looking at the way he capitalizes "eSF" and "KeSPA".
If he's a KeSPA guy, he will write correctly "KeSPA" and all caps "ESF" or something.
If he's an eSF guy, he will write correctly "eSF" and just do whatever with Kespa.
I write "Kespa" and "eSF", haha.
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Does anyone notice that starting from last season Code A, Flash has not lost a single map?
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On April 19 2013 00:14 ChoiSulli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 23:49 forsooth wrote:On April 18 2013 23:44 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 18 2013 23:26 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 18 2013 23:23 opterown wrote:On April 18 2013 23:19 DidYuhim wrote:On April 18 2013 22:39 mordk wrote:On April 18 2013 22:38 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 18 2013 22:37 mordk wrote:On April 18 2013 22:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
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eSF can only get to 43.75% in Ro16 if the best scenario for them happens.
Huh? If Leenock and Life go through it's gonna be 50% eSF One could argue about Parting as well, but I guess it's almost enough time for him to be considered KeSPA Taeja's not. Oh well I tend to call all non-kespa koreans eSF koreans... it's meaningless though. The whole KeSPA vs eSF is meaningless, but people still want to argue. On April 18 2013 23:19 illidanx wrote:
KESSPAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111 hahaha What's funny about that? They are not the same person. I hate when people say KESPA vs ESF is meaningless, its the thing that is keeping me most interested in SC2, I posted this a few days ago in Group C, when someone else said something similar, trying to explain to him why it matters to some people.. On April 11 2013 00:41 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
why do people care about kespa or esf. it doesnt fucking matter Oh it matters. I despise anyone that is a fan of ESF. I think BW is superior in every way over SC2 and that KESPA players are the best RTS players. So by them crushing ESF guys I think it validates my believe. Its one of the main reasons I follow the SC2 scene. I also dont get why people get upset when someone posts about one or the other superiority. Thats the kind of stuff that makes rooting for sports so fun. As long as its done in a not in your face way, I dont see anything wrong with it. I would love to have SC2 get to a point where you go to a live event, and some players actually get booed and stuff (minus of course flash cause thats just not cool). But yeah it matters to some of us, I'll never ever root for ESF and wont be satisfied till they all go back to being B-team dishwashers, harsh I know, but its how I feel. I get that it dosent matter to some of you, but why do you assume then that its the same for everyone. Some of us identify strongly with one side or the other, I dont get why this bothers you guys. Find something yourselfs to be passionate about but dont get angry and annoyed at us for being passionate about something. You call it passion, I call it being exceptionally childish. I have strong feelings about it, I dont make posts insulting one side or the other, or boasting when KESPA is winning. Just in my heart I feel strongly about it. I would agree wiht you that if Flash wins, and I go in and post HAHAH suck it ESF, that would be childish. I dont do that, and you can confirm with my post history. I dont know what you are extremly passionate about, but say it was soccer, and if I didnt give a fuck about soccer, does that give me the right to say your childish for carrying about soccer or a particular team? No, you obviously Identify with it for some reason, which I dont understand but I can respect. I happen to identify very strongly with KESPA players and hate ESF players, so im passionate about the rivalry. You may not understand or agree with me, but just because you dont have the same feelings as me about it, how does that make my feelings childish?? Its like someone comes and says, why care about a video game. You can probably answer them, as to why you care about video games. Then you may have gamers, and some of them maybe dont get why anyone would care about sc2. Im sure you can explain to them why you are passionate about Sc2. You may have Sc2 fans not understand why you like koreans, and watch GSL. Im that there are people here that can explain why they are passionate about that. You may have people not get why you care about a certain player. You can probably explain, why you identify with him and cheer for him. You have people who dont get why people care about ESF and KESPA Well some of us can tell you why we identify, and care about that. At every one of those levels a persons lack of understanding sometimes called ignorance, can lead to them saying shit like "your childish" "video games are stupid" "who cares about kroeans they got no personality" "whats the difference between KESPA and ESF its the same shit".... Now we can see why I refer to it as passion and you as childish.
A passion can be childish. Yours, definitly is and there is no demagogy enough in this world to cover up the fucked up mindset people like you have when it comes to kespa vs esf thing. And yes, i am referring to the "despise" other people while expecting others to "not despise" your passion as childish.
On April 19 2013 00:29 ZenithM wrote:
Btw I think you can detect fairly consistently which "faction" is a poster from by just looking at the way he capitalizes "eSF" and "KeSPA".
If he's a KeSPA guy, he will write correctly "KeSPA" and all caps "ESF" or something.
If he's an eSF guy, he will write correctly "eSF" and just do whatever with Kespa.
I write "Kespa" and "eSF", haha.
i write kespa and esf. What does that make me ? :O
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 19 2013 00:29 ZenithM wrote:
Btw I think you can detect fairly consistently which "faction" is a poster from by just looking at the way he capitalizes "eSF" and "KeSPA".
If he's a KeSPA guy, he will write correctly "KeSPA" and all caps "ESF" or something.
If he's an eSF guy, he will write correctly "eSF" and just do whatever with Kespa.
I write "Kespa" and "eSF", haha.
I always change the way I write it
It makes me unpredictable. Dangerous. Sexy.
eSF
Kespa
ESF
KESPA
esf
KesPa7GAB
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On April 19 2013 00:30 ThePrince wrote:
Does anyone notice that starting from last season Code A, Flash has not lost a single map?
true! didn't realize till you said it.
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On April 19 2013 00:26 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 00:14 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 18 2013 23:49 forsooth wrote:On April 18 2013 23:44 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 18 2013 23:26 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 18 2013 23:23 opterown wrote:On April 18 2013 23:19 DidYuhim wrote:On April 18 2013 22:39 mordk wrote:On April 18 2013 22:38 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 18 2013 22:37 mordk wrote:
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Huh?
If Leenock and Life go through it's gonna be 50% eSF
One could argue about Parting as well, but I guess it's almost enough time for him to be considered KeSPA Taeja's not. Oh well I tend to call all non-kespa koreans eSF koreans... it's meaningless though. The whole KeSPA vs eSF is meaningless, but people still want to argue. On April 18 2013 23:19 illidanx wrote:
KESSPAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111 hahaha What's funny about that? They are not the same person. I hate when people say KESPA vs ESF is meaningless, its the thing that is keeping me most interested in SC2, I posted this a few days ago in Group C, when someone else said something similar, trying to explain to him why it matters to some people.. On April 11 2013 00:41 ChoiSulli wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
why do people care about kespa or esf. it doesnt fucking matter Oh it matters. I despise anyone that is a fan of ESF. I think BW is superior in every way over SC2 and that KESPA players are the best RTS players. So by them crushing ESF guys I think it validates my believe. Its one of the main reasons I follow the SC2 scene. I also dont get why people get upset when someone posts about one or the other superiority. Thats the kind of stuff that makes rooting for sports so fun. As long as its done in a not in your face way, I dont see anything wrong with it. I would love to have SC2 get to a point where you go to a live event, and some players actually get booed and stuff (minus of course flash cause thats just not cool). But yeah it matters to some of us, I'll never ever root for ESF and wont be satisfied till they all go back to being B-team dishwashers, harsh I know, but its how I feel. I get that it dosent matter to some of you, but why do you assume then that its the same for everyone. Some of us identify strongly with one side or the other, I dont get why this bothers you guys. Find something yourselfs to be passionate about but dont get angry and annoyed at us for being passionate about something. You call it passion, I call it being exceptionally childish. I have strong feelings about it, I dont make posts insulting one side or the other, or boasting when KESPA is winning. Just in my heart I feel strongly about it. I would agree wiht you that if Flash wins, and I go in and post HAHAH suck it ESF, that would be childish. I dont do that, and you can confirm with my post history. I dont know what you are extremly passionate about, but say it was soccer, and if I didnt give a fuck about soccer, does that give me the right to say your childish for carrying about soccer or a particular team? No, you obviously Identify with it for some reason, which I dont understand but I can respect. I happen to identify very strongly with KESPA players and hate ESF players, so im passionate about the rivalry. You may not understand or agree with me, but just because you dont have the same feelings as me about it, how does that make my feelings childish?? Its like someone comes and says, why care about a video game. You can probably answer them, as to why you care about video games. Then you may have gamers, and some of them maybe dont get why anyone would care about sc2. Im sure you can explain to them why you are passionate about Sc2. You may have Sc2 fans not understand why you like koreans, and watch GSL. Im that there are people here that can explain why they are passionate about that. You may have people not get why you care about a certain player. You can probably explain, why you identify with him and cheer for him. You have people who dont get why people care about ESF and KESPA Well some of us can tell you why we identify, and care about that. At every one of those levels a persons lack of understanding sometimes called ignorance, can lead to them saying shit like "your childish" "video games are stupid" "who cares about kroeans they got no personality" "whats the difference between KESPA and ESF its the same shit".... Now we can see why I refer to it as passion and you as childish. You said it yourself, you hate all ESF players and their fans, and for what? Cheering for one side or the other, I understand. Spitting on and considering the other a bunch of trash scrubs with retards for fans on the other hand, is the mindset of a petty child.
I think he has just invested a huge amount of feelings into KeSPA, so much that it spills into disliking the (perceived) opposition. It happens.
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On April 19 2013 00:28 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 00:23 Slardar wrote:
Let there be BLOOD ESF VS KeSPA. Whoever is against that movement is killing eSports. Plain and simple. What's wrong with a little rivalry?
Taking it overboard is a problem (e.g. Canucks losing the Cup and trashing the city) but the rivalry is amazing. Tournament viewers plummet when there are only Koreans left. Sad fact. Perhaps the KeSPA vs ESF will put an end to it. A majority of fans are casuals. Unfortunately I don't think they'll care about eSF vs Kespa. To them everyone is just Korean. Pretty sure the casuals know jack shit about BW too. It might help the Korean scene (though I don't think they care that much either). To be honest the rivalry only exists in hardcore bw/sc2 forums. But if it makes you like the game more go ahead
I personally have no favoritism between the two factions, I have my players that is it. I was speaking on behalf of the community at large, this is a beneficial thing. I think this is the next thing Casters should be pushing and explaining to the casuals "What is ESF vs KeSPA rivalry?".
There needs to be something to remove as you said it "Casuals see just Koreans, then stop watching". That is a massive problem.
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On April 19 2013 00:29 ZenithM wrote:
Btw I think you can detect fairly consistently which "faction" is a poster from by just looking at the way he capitalizes "eSF" and "KeSPA".
If he's a KeSPA guy, he will write correctly "KeSPA" and all caps "ESF" or something.
If he's an eSF guy, he will write correctly "eSF" and just do whatever with Kespa.
I write "Kespa" and "eSF", haha.
kEspa Esf
What do you make of that, ser?
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I'm more a fan of Terran vs "everything else".
I despise you guys for playing other races and caring for non-Terran players. It should only be TvT all day. TvT is far superior to SC2.
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