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On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious.
I think there is still the possibility of getting back into the game with Spores and Queens for defense and Ling run-bys.
If the player with the muta-lead takes one bad engagement, the game can turn around pretty quickly. Spores do lots of damage to Mutas.
I agree though that this is up to the player with the muta-lead screwing up. But since screwing-up can happen so fast in HotS ZvZ, we will probably see quite some come-backs later on when we see more ZvZs.
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On April 07 2013 19:26 MVTaylor wrote:
That feel when your entire anti team is full of EG Shitters who lose and are on 0 points then JD carries their sorry asses to a team win...
I think you share that feel with many, and while I don't have any EGL players on my main team, I thought it better not to have Jaedong on it.
CJ Entus vs EGL may be interesting.
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On April 07 2013 19:33 Tachion wrote:
My viewpoint is probably 90% due to my emotional investment in the players of that game, but watching JD cancel Soulkey's third over and over again was exciting as fuck. People look at the muta vs muta wars as determining the game but the game was largely won prior to that with the dong's ling control/decision making. I thought it was great.
Yeah the game was decided when JD was able to take his 5th/6th gas early and Soulkey wasn't able to get his until the game was over. Really amazing by JD to make that happen.
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now i almost regret calling my fpl team 'i love jaedong but have been hurt before'
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On April 07 2013 19:31 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:31 synapse wrote:On April 07 2013 19:30 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..? .... What did you say? People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ. I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol. Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on. Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation. Thats why i said winning pros. ouch Truth isn't a fairytale.
oh my, you are pompous today
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On April 07 2013 19:35 Garnet wrote:
When can we get an update to FPL? I wanna see my points!!!.
It won't probably get updated until the last match this week is played.
Tuesday, 9 April
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On April 07 2013 19:34 MVTaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:30 Jacmert wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 MVTaylor wrote:
That feel when your entire anti team is full of EG Shitters who lose and are on 0 points then JD carries their sorry asses to a team win... I find your lack of faith disturbing... SKT-T1-EG-TL+ Show Spoiler + Didn't bother to get the proper code for my team before sign ups ended so I can't be bothered to do a nice pretty one... anyway Main  Bisu (Yay) Rain (YAY!)  Bbyong (Yay) Dear (QQ)  Hydra (QQ) Light (Yay) SK T1 (Yay) Anti JYPTaeJaHerO
Here you go, you can just TLPD it with the hydra symbol.
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Well.
It's thank to EG newly recruit(Oz,Alive) that helped them.
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On April 07 2013 19:36 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:31 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:31 synapse wrote:On April 07 2013 19:30 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..? .... What did you say? People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ. I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol. Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on. Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation. Thats why i said winning pros. ouch Truth isn't a fairytale. oh my, you are pompous as always
Changed that for you
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On April 07 2013 19:35 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious. I think there is still the possibility of getting back into the game with Spores and Queens for defense and Ling run-bys. If the player with the muta-lead takes one bad engagement, the game can turn around pretty quickly. Spores do lots of damage to Mutas. I agree though that this is up to the player with the muta-lead screwing up. But since screwing-up can happen so fast in HotS ZvZ, we will probably see quite some come-backs later on when we see more ZvZs.
Yeah I hope the match-up evolves to the point that turtling with queens and spores allows the player to mix infestors in. People say that in the meantime the muta player will just take the entire map, but there should be situations where it works. It's early days in HOTS; the metagame should change a lot over time.
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I had HerO, Oz, TaeJa on anti-team 
Was perfect 13-points too.
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This is the first time I didn't pick EGTL or a EG member for my fantasy team ... and they won ... I know my place now!
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On April 07 2013 19:37 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:35 Yello wrote:On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious. I think there is still the possibility of getting back into the game with Spores and Queens for defense and Ling run-bys. If the player with the muta-lead takes one bad engagement, the game can turn around pretty quickly. Spores do lots of damage to Mutas. I agree though that this is up to the player with the muta-lead screwing up. But since screwing-up can happen so fast in HotS ZvZ, we will probably see quite some come-backs later on when we see more ZvZs. Yeah I hope the match-up evolves to the point that turtling with queens and spores allows the player to mix infestors in. People say that in the meantime the muta player will just take the entire map, but there should be situations where it works. It's early days in HOTS; the metagame should change a lot over time.
I don't think so though.
I think it will be Muta vs Muta until Blizz decides to buff the Hydra.
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Looking back through, love that people had no faith in the master JD.. bow to him now... I said BOW
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On April 07 2013 19:27 yawnoC wrote:
Clearly this victory happened because Haypro and Jinro were in the audience.
Were they? Do they work in Korea now?
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On April 07 2013 19:37 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:35 Yello wrote:On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious. I think there is still the possibility of getting back into the game with Spores and Queens for defense and Ling run-bys. If the player with the muta-lead takes one bad engagement, the game can turn around pretty quickly. Spores do lots of damage to Mutas. I agree though that this is up to the player with the muta-lead screwing up. But since screwing-up can happen so fast in HotS ZvZ, we will probably see quite some come-backs later on when we see more ZvZs. Yeah I hope the match-up evolves to the point that turtling with queens and spores allows the player to mix infestors in. People say that in the meantime the muta player will just take the entire map, but there should be situations where it works. It's early days in HOTS; the metagame should change a lot over time.
honestly I'd prefer muta battles to "turtle-to-infestor" approach. ZvZ looks so dynamic.
The only bad thing is that there's no scourge.
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Jaedong and Jaehoon on my fantasy team! Good night of ace matches for my team and some fun games to watch too!
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has anyone posted quick calculation for this match?
i think i'm off to a great start
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On April 07 2013 19:37 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:36 letian wrote:On April 07 2013 19:31 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:31 synapse wrote:On April 07 2013 19:30 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..? .... What did you say? People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ. I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol. Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on. Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation. Thats why i said winning pros. ouch Truth isn't a fairytale. oh my, you are pompous as always Changed that for you
O_o how did you do that?
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Scoring:
EG-TL +2
WJS +1
Oz +4
Light +3
sHy +3
Jaedong +8
Soulkey +2
aLive +4
all other EG-TL players +1
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