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Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
April 07 2013 10:35 GMT
#1921
On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere

I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious.


I think there is still the possibility of getting back into the game with Spores and Queens for defense and Ling run-bys.
If the player with the muta-lead takes one bad engagement, the game can turn around pretty quickly. Spores do lots of damage to Mutas.
I agree though that this is up to the player with the muta-lead screwing up. But since screwing-up can happen so fast in HotS ZvZ, we will probably see quite some come-backs later on when we see more ZvZs.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
April 07 2013 10:35 GMT
#1922
On April 07 2013 19:26 MVTaylor wrote:
That feel when your entire anti team is full of EG Shitters who lose and are on 0 points then JD carries their sorry asses to a team win...


I think you share that feel with many, and while I don't have any EGL players on my main team, I thought it better not to have Jaedong on it.

CJ Entus vs EGL may be interesting.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 07 2013 10:35 GMT
#1923
On April 07 2013 19:33 Tachion wrote:
My viewpoint is probably 90% due to my emotional investment in the players of that game, but watching JD cancel Soulkey's third over and over again was exciting as fuck. People look at the muta vs muta wars as determining the game but the game was largely won prior to that with the dong's ling control/decision making. I thought it was great.


Yeah the game was decided when JD was able to take his 5th/6th gas early and Soulkey wasn't able to get his until the game was over. Really amazing by JD to make that happen.
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
April 07 2013 10:36 GMT
#1924
now i almost regret calling my fpl team 'i love jaedong but have been hurt before'
n.Die_Jaedong
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 07 2013 10:36 GMT
#1925
On April 07 2013 19:31 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 19:31 synapse wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:30 Tobblish wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..?

.... What did you say?


People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ.


I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol.


Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on.

Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation.


Thats why i said winning pros.

ouch

Truth isn't a fairytale.

oh my, you are pompous today
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 07 2013 10:36 GMT
#1926
On April 07 2013 19:35 Garnet wrote:
When can we get an update to FPL? I wanna see my points!!!.


It won't probably get updated until the last match this week is played.

Tuesday, 9 April
The curse is real
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 07 2013 10:36 GMT
#1927
On April 07 2013 19:34 MVTaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 19:30 Jacmert wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:26 MVTaylor wrote:
That feel when your entire anti team is full of EG Shitters who lose and are on 0 points then JD carries their sorry asses to a team win...


I find your lack of faith disturbing...

SKT-T1-EG-TL
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Main Team
5 (T)Fantasy
1 (P)Huk
3 (P)Oz
7 (P)Parting (captain)
7 (P)Rain
6 (Z)soO
1 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]EG.TL[/tlpd]

Anti Team
3 (Z)Savage(Ryul2)
5 (P)Trap
5 (T)TY(Baby)


Didn't bother to get the proper code for my team before sign ups ended so I can't be bothered to do a nice pretty one... anyway

Main
(P)Bisu (Yay)
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(T)Bbyong (Yay)
(P)Dear (QQ)
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SK T1 (Yay)

Anti
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Here you go, you can just TLPD it with the hydra symbol.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 07 2013 10:37 GMT
#1928
Well.

It's thank to EG newly recruit(Oz,Alive) that helped them.
Play your best
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 07 2013 10:37 GMT
#1929
On April 07 2013 19:36 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 19:31 Tobblish wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:31 synapse wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:30 Tobblish wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..?

.... What did you say?


People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ.


I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol.


Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on.

Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation.


Thats why i said winning pros.

ouch

Truth isn't a fairytale.

oh my, you are pompous as always


Changed that for you
The curse is real
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
April 07 2013 10:37 GMT
#1930
On April 07 2013 19:35 Yello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere

I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious.


I think there is still the possibility of getting back into the game with Spores and Queens for defense and Ling run-bys.
If the player with the muta-lead takes one bad engagement, the game can turn around pretty quickly. Spores do lots of damage to Mutas.
I agree though that this is up to the player with the muta-lead screwing up. But since screwing-up can happen so fast in HotS ZvZ, we will probably see quite some come-backs later on when we see more ZvZs.

Yeah I hope the match-up evolves to the point that turtling with queens and spores allows the player to mix infestors in. People say that in the meantime the muta player will just take the entire map, but there should be situations where it works. It's early days in HOTS; the metagame should change a lot over time.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
April 07 2013 10:38 GMT
#1931
I had HerO, Oz, TaeJa on anti-team
Was perfect 13-points too.
Liquipedia"Expert"
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
April 07 2013 10:38 GMT
#1932
This is the first time I didn't pick EGTL or a EG member for my fantasy team ... and they won ... I know my place now!
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 07 2013 10:39 GMT
#1933
On April 07 2013 19:37 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 19:35 Yello wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere

I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious.


I think there is still the possibility of getting back into the game with Spores and Queens for defense and Ling run-bys.
If the player with the muta-lead takes one bad engagement, the game can turn around pretty quickly. Spores do lots of damage to Mutas.
I agree though that this is up to the player with the muta-lead screwing up. But since screwing-up can happen so fast in HotS ZvZ, we will probably see quite some come-backs later on when we see more ZvZs.

Yeah I hope the match-up evolves to the point that turtling with queens and spores allows the player to mix infestors in. People say that in the meantime the muta player will just take the entire map, but there should be situations where it works. It's early days in HOTS; the metagame should change a lot over time.


I don't think so though.

I think it will be Muta vs Muta until Blizz decides to buff the Hydra.
Play your best
EZSkull
Profile Joined March 2011
United States230 Posts
April 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#1934
Looking back through, love that people had no faith in the master JD.. bow to him now... I said BOW
“I can discredit the K-1 with two syllables. Bob Sapp.” - Sonnen(R)
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
April 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#1935
On April 07 2013 19:27 yawnoC wrote:
Clearly this victory happened because Haypro and Jinro were in the audience.



Were they? Do they work in Korea now?
| (• ◡•)|╯ ╰(❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#1936
On April 07 2013 19:37 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 19:35 Yello wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere

I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious.


I think there is still the possibility of getting back into the game with Spores and Queens for defense and Ling run-bys.
If the player with the muta-lead takes one bad engagement, the game can turn around pretty quickly. Spores do lots of damage to Mutas.
I agree though that this is up to the player with the muta-lead screwing up. But since screwing-up can happen so fast in HotS ZvZ, we will probably see quite some come-backs later on when we see more ZvZs.

Yeah I hope the match-up evolves to the point that turtling with queens and spores allows the player to mix infestors in. People say that in the meantime the muta player will just take the entire map, but there should be situations where it works. It's early days in HOTS; the metagame should change a lot over time.

honestly I'd prefer muta battles to "turtle-to-infestor" approach. ZvZ looks so dynamic.
The only bad thing is that there's no scourge.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#1937
Jaedong and Jaehoon on my fantasy team! Good night of ace matches for my team and some fun games to watch too!
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#1938
has anyone posted quick calculation for this match?

i think i'm off to a great start
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 07 2013 10:42 GMT
#1939
On April 07 2013 19:37 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 19:36 letian wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:31 Tobblish wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:31 synapse wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:30 Tobblish wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:
On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..?

.... What did you say?


People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ.


I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol.


Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on.

Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation.


Thats why i said winning pros.

ouch

Truth isn't a fairytale.

oh my, you are pompous as always


Changed that for you

O_o how did you do that?
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
April 07 2013 10:42 GMT
#1940
Scoring:

EG-TL +2
WJS +1

Oz +4
Light +3
sHy +3
Jaedong +8
Soulkey +2
aLive +4

all other EG-TL players +1
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