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On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious.
I think it's possible for Zergs to switch out of muta tech by building a couple spores while switching to infestor tech. Doable?
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On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..? .... What did you say? People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ. I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol. Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on. Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation.
Thats why i said winning pros.
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On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..? .... What did you say? People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ. I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol. Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on. Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation.
well, foreigners aren't exactly the most winningest players though
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AHHHH LEE JAEDONG!!!
My faith has been restored.
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is it just me or does coach park look like he would personally flay the team if they lost dishonourably? i know if i was on his team, i wouldn't want to lose >_>
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On April 07 2013 19:30 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..? .... What did you say? People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ. I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol. Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on. Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation. Thats why i said winning pros.
ouch
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On April 07 2013 19:31 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:30 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..? .... What did you say? People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ. I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol. Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on. Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation. Thats why i said winning pros. ouch
Truth isn't a fairytale.
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Congrats EG-TL!
Great games. :D
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On April 07 2013 19:30 Jacmert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious. I think it's possible for Zergs to switch out of muta tech by building a couple spores while switching to infestor tech. Doable?
dont think so. the other player would just roam free on the map and take more bases, riding out the easy long game win.
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On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..? .... What did you say? People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ. I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol.
Well I think that manchester united has the winner mindset when playing CL but other pro teams like dortmund might not to the same degree? I think it makes a difference, not saying that it will make any difference if you suck at the game  it's only game winning if you are on a similar skill level.
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On April 07 2013 19:30 Jacmert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:29 rothsbury wrote:On April 07 2013 19:28 Yello wrote:
the new ZvZ is really scrappy. That makes it really entertaining. I guess it's quite frustrating for the players but so much fun for spectators. So much stuff is happening all over the map and split second decision making becomes really important with all those Lings, Banelings and Mutas running around everywhere I like the early stage with all the ling and baneling micro, but after it's a certain point it's just "who has more mutas?" that decides who'll win. Once you have a lead of mutas you can take more expansions and have more gas and win the inevitable muta vs muta fight. In big muta fights there's limited micro you can do, so it's just who has more. Makes it a bit tedious. I think it's possible for Zergs to switch out of muta tech by building a couple spores while switching to infestor tech. Doable?
Hm it's very situational. Honestly if the other zerg notices that you are teching to infestors they have a timing where they can straight up kill you. I think it's like that really no matter what and if you invest in a ton of spores then you are going to be behind in zerlings so there is still a timing to do a ton of damage/kill you.
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On April 07 2013 19:31 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..? .... What did you say? People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ. I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol. Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on. Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation. well, foreigners aren't exactly the most winningest players though
Happens with koreans aswell, look at puma, he had - as he was played over and over - sick results in inhouse practice, but just couldn't produce when it was needed.
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On April 07 2013 19:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 SayTT wrote:On April 07 2013 19:23 mrtomjones wrote:On April 07 2013 19:02 zergeasiestrace wrote:
Oh this is hilarious, people think Jaedong can beat Soulkey ZvZ. You guy's realize Soulkey is 4-0 against Life and 3-0 against RorO right..? .... What did you say? People dont get that experiance is importaint. That JD was a freaking boss in ZvZ in BW does count. He is calm in these situations and has a winning mindset whoever he goes against in ZvZ. I doubt alot of the winning pros don't have a this calm and winning mindset lol. Isnt that a very common problem for pros? Especially among foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Demuslim, Sase... the list goes on. Isnt that one of Stephanoes primary skills, that he can play on his top level no matter what the situation.
I think "winning" is the important qualifier. That makes it almost tautological though since you won't be a winning pro if you choke.
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On April 07 2013 19:28 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:26 FakeDeath wrote:On April 07 2013 19:25 Tobblish wrote:
Ok now that the girls are done.
Is there no real answer to the mutas when it enters that stage?
or is it pretty much pray for a lucky fungal or get rolled? Soulkey lost when his 3rd couldn't get up and JD had his 3rd up and JD was having better gas count. JD won yeah but Muta vs Muta is just downright stupid now. Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:26 gobbledydook wrote:On April 07 2013 19:25 Tobblish wrote:
Ok now that the girls are done.
Is there no real answer to the mutas when it enters that stage?
or is it pretty much pray for a lucky fungal or get rolled? yeah, if you lose the muta war you lose. You won't even get a lucky fungal because you won't be able to get infestation pit and infestors with pathogen glands up before you lose. Ok Thanks. I enjoyed the intense fights but if there is NO answer or other path it's pretty damn stupid indeed.
Well you can always try to 2 base turtle on roach/hydra/spore, however once other zerg spots it, already has 3 bases and tech switches into roach/infestor, you have little time to win the game save for a one big push.
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On April 07 2013 19:28 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:26 FakeDeath wrote:On April 07 2013 19:25 Tobblish wrote:
Ok now that the girls are done.
Is there no real answer to the mutas when it enters that stage?
or is it pretty much pray for a lucky fungal or get rolled? Soulkey lost when his 3rd couldn't get up and JD had his 3rd up and JD was having better gas count. JD won yeah but Muta vs Muta is just downright stupid now. Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:26 gobbledydook wrote:On April 07 2013 19:25 Tobblish wrote:
Ok now that the girls are done.
Is there no real answer to the mutas when it enters that stage?
or is it pretty much pray for a lucky fungal or get rolled? yeah, if you lose the muta war you lose. You won't even get a lucky fungal because you won't be able to get infestation pit and infestors with pathogen glands up before you lose. Ok Thanks. I enjoyed the intense fights but if there is NO answer or other path it's pretty damn stupid indeed.
Yeah, it's really intense in the early game now, and I personally enjoy the investments in harrassment and defending having an effect on who gets more mutas, it's a nice early game where how well you spend resources matters, but once the mutas get out it's a bit derpy looking.
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On April 07 2013 19:30 Jacmert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:26 MVTaylor wrote:
That feel when your entire anti team is full of EG Shitters who lose and are on 0 points then JD carries their sorry asses to a team win... I find your lack of faith disturbing... SKT-T1-EG-TL+ Show Spoiler +
Well SHIT. This guy is going to be raking in the points.
On my end, I'm happy that Jaedong has finally gotten the monkey off his back... but GODDAMNIT MY FPL; after Rain winning last night I was in good shape, but this has wiped out everything from that... should look for a different bust next time.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif)
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My viewpoint is probably 90% due to my emotional investment in the players of that game, but watching JD cancel Soulkey's third over and over again was exciting as fuck. People look at the muta vs muta wars as determining the game but the game was largely won prior to that with the dong's ling control/decision making. I thought it was great.
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On April 07 2013 19:33 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:30 Jacmert wrote:On April 07 2013 19:26 MVTaylor wrote:
That feel when your entire anti team is full of EG Shitters who lose and are on 0 points then JD carries their sorry asses to a team win... I find your lack of faith disturbing... SKT-T1-EG-TL+ Show Spoiler + Well SHIT. This guy is going to be raking in the points. On my end, I'm happy that Jaedong has finally gotten the monkey off his back... but GODDAMNIT MY FPL; after Rain winning last night I was in good shape, but this has wiped out everything from that... should look for a different bust next time.
dat smiley sheep
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On April 07 2013 19:30 Jacmert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:26 MVTaylor wrote:
That feel when your entire anti team is full of EG Shitters who lose and are on 0 points then JD carries their sorry asses to a team win... I find your lack of faith disturbing... SKT-T1-EG-TL+ Show Spoiler +
Didn't bother to get the proper code for my team before sign ups ended so I can't be bothered to do a nice pretty one... anyway
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When can we get an update to FPL? I wanna see my points!!!.
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