As the 2013 IPTL Season 1 steams ahead for it's finish, it's time for IPL to bring you the Playoffs and Up & Down matches to both determine the winner and who earns the $9,000 in prize money and who will move down to Contender, and who will ascend to Premier. The winners of the playoff matches will also receive 6 seeds into the WoL Main Bracket and paid trips to IPL 6!.
Playoff Schedule: EG v LG-IM: February 26th StarTale v MVP: February 27th
Revival has been struggling vs Protoss, so I think First will win the opening game, especially since it's on Ohana. This is going to be really hard for EG, JD and JYP must be really on top of their game to give EG a fighting chance. However, I have a feeling IM wins 5-0 or 5-1.
It's pretty funny that these are the same semifinals as last time. Obviously IM should win. I hope Startale does too, I would love a rematch in the finals. And a rewin by Startale!
On February 27 2013 05:26 Vaftrudner wrote: It's pretty funny that these are the same semifinals as last time. Obviously IM should win. I hope Startale does too, I would love a rematch in the finals. And a rewin by Startale!
That's funny because the two players that won IPTL for StarTale last time left the team... and one of them is now on IM...
On February 27 2013 05:26 Vaftrudner wrote: It's pretty funny that these are the same semifinals as last time. Obviously IM should win. I hope Startale does too, I would love a rematch in the finals. And a rewin by Startale!
That's funny because the two players that won IPTL for StarTale last time left the team... and one of them is now on IM...
I would love to see Life and Curious carry their team the same way Squirtle and Parting did last time. Probably not likely, MVP and IM are more stacked. But a boy can dream.
On February 27 2013 05:26 Vaftrudner wrote: It's pretty funny that these are the same semifinals as last time. Obviously IM should win. I hope Startale does too, I would love a rematch in the finals. And a rewin by Startale!
That's funny because the two players that won IPTL for StarTale last time left the team... and one of them is now on IM...
StarTale's best player didn't even get to play the last time around
I predict a quick 5-0 by First. Revival and JD are somewhat weak in ZvP, and I reckon First can take on Stephano and JYP as well. At best, I can see this series going to 7 games; IM is just too stacked for EG.
I doubt that EG will pull this off they need Stephano to go on a rampage if they want to win and even then they need someone else to pull their weight.
On February 27 2013 05:53 zeratul_jf wrote: I doubt that EG will pull this off they need Stephano to go on a rampage if they want to win and even then they need someone else to pull their weight.
On February 27 2013 05:53 zeratul_jf wrote: I doubt that EG will pull this off they need Stephano to go on a rampage if they want to win and even then they need someone else to pull their weight.
On February 27 2013 05:53 zeratul_jf wrote: I doubt that EG will pull this off they need Stephano to go on a rampage if they want to win and even then they need someone else to pull their weight.
Unless there are more qualifiers that they haven't announced he didn't qualify for the HotS or WoL tournament, I guess It's possible that he's going to the HotS open bracket or was an invite to the HotS tournament but I find it more likely they beat EG
On February 27 2013 05:53 zeratul_jf wrote: I doubt that EG will pull this off they need Stephano to go on a rampage if they want to win and even then they need someone else to pull their weight.
Unless there are more qualifiers that they haven't announced he didn't qualify for the HotS or WoL tournament, I guess It's possible that he's going to the HotS open bracket or was an invite to the HotS tournament but I find it more likely they beat EG
Yea I think youre right. If EG and TL combined can't beat any kespa teams, I don't think EG can beat IM
Why was the broadcast of StarTale and MVP changed from March 5th to tomorrow? I'm glad it did though
On February 27 2013 05:53 zeratul_jf wrote: I doubt that EG will pull this off they need Stephano to go on a rampage if they want to win and even then they need someone else to pull their weight.
On February 27 2013 05:53 zeratul_jf wrote: I doubt that EG will pull this off they need Stephano to go on a rampage if they want to win and even then they need someone else to pull their weight.
Im pretty sure IM wins since Seed spoiled the result in his GSTL interview.
So... these are still from replays?
Yes... You honestly expect IPL to have the entire team league process during an online match?
"Oh hey, this guy's mouse isn't working/keyboard malfunctioned. We're going to have to delay a game from taking place and piss off your viewers for a few minutes."
On February 27 2013 06:40 Azriel wrote: Hopefuly they let foreigners get some playtime.
Tfunk beat Classic and MKP in their match against Prime. He also came out against StarTale and FXO. ;o
Not sure how much HuK, IdrA, and Stephano care about team leagues. They rarely came out even before Revival and Jaedong joined the team... Suppy might come out if this was after the CSL finals... Doubt it was though.
On February 27 2013 05:53 zeratul_jf wrote: I doubt that EG will pull this off they need Stephano to go on a rampage if they want to win and even then they need someone else to pull their weight.
Im pretty sure IM wins since Seed spoiled the result in his GSTL interview.
So... these are still from replays?
Yes... You honestly expect IPL to have the entire team league process during an online match?
"Oh hey, this guy's mouse isn't working/keyboard malfunctioned. We're going to have to delay a game from taking place and piss off your viewers for a few minutes."
Well, there are plenty of team leagues played out live without much of a problem, this is just hard to pull off here due to the variety of timezones and other scheduling issues, normally it shouldn't be a big deal to do it live if you have good admins.
It's perfectly doable and viewers would probably prefer it, not be turned off like you suggest, but I just think IPL doesn't do it because it takes more effort and it isn't worth it for them.
Edit: More effort includes a bigger prizepool obviously, so teams would actually commit to the league and make room for the matches at set times in their schedules.
Such a weird build from Revival, no reason not to get Hive and just chill out instead of suiciding your entire army, including infestors, for a colossus and some gateway units.
Puma could win, think he is stronger online than offline, and his TvP is ok.
On February 27 2013 09:18 TommyP wrote: Puma could win here. LabyRinth 2-0'd First out of code A by 1-1-1. Puma is going to try and do the same here I would imagine
It's weird, this is the Puma who could always win in tournaments no matter what in 2011/early 2012. It's like that Puma has become the online Puma and the offline Puma has become some kind of nervy shell that can't play consistently
On February 27 2013 09:40 Larkin wrote: It's weird, this is the Puma who could always win in tournaments no matter what in 2011/early 2012. It's like that Puma has become the online Puma and the offline Puma has become some kind of nervy shell that can't play consistently
I think Online Puma and Foreign Puma are good, Korean Puma is where he chokes hard.
On February 27 2013 09:40 Larkin wrote: It's weird, this is the Puma who could always win in tournaments no matter what in 2011/early 2012. It's like that Puma has become the online Puma and the offline Puma has become some kind of nervy shell that can't play consistently
I think Online Puma and Foreign Puma are good, Korean Puma is where he chokes hard.
Hmm I think you're right. Though it's not like he can't beat Koreans in foreign tournaments. But at home, just can't do it. Very odd.
On February 27 2013 09:40 Larkin wrote: It's weird, this is the Puma who could always win in tournaments no matter what in 2011/early 2012. It's like that Puma has become the online Puma and the offline Puma has become some kind of nervy shell that can't play consistently
I think Online Puma and Foreign Puma are good, Korean Puma is where he chokes hard.
Hmm I think you're right. Though it's not like he can't beat Koreans in foreign tournaments. But at home, just can't do it. Very odd.
I'm imagining something like his whole family attending all his LAN events, staring at him, telling him that the family honour is on the line, disowning him every time he loses...
I'm not sure whether it is always the best choice to play greedy on Metropolis against Zergs. The map allows for a Zerg to take their fourth and fifth unopposed usually, and the Terran really cannot take a fourth in response, especially if the Zerg went Mutas.
On February 27 2013 09:40 Larkin wrote: It's weird, this is the Puma who could always win in tournaments no matter what in 2011/early 2012. It's like that Puma has become the online Puma and the offline Puma has become some kind of nervy shell that can't play consistently
I think Online Puma and Foreign Puma are good, Korean Puma is where he chokes hard.
Hmm I think you're right. Though it's not like he can't beat Koreans in foreign tournaments. But at home, just can't do it. Very odd.
I'm imagining something like his whole family attending all his LAN events, staring at him, telling him that the family honour is on the line, disowning him every time he loses...
We should brainstorm all the fun theories .
HerO follows him around with a stick and pokes him at key moments during games.
Hmm Byul never looked threatened during this game. At all.
Oh WoL TvZ, I wish I could let you go, but you keep on coming back.
I wonder why the casters are going so crazy about PuMa killing ByuL's army. It was more bad micro that killed the army there, and ByuL will just roll over PuMa with the ground tech switch.
On February 27 2013 10:01 PhoenixVoid wrote: Oh WoL TvZ, I wish I could let you go, but you keep on coming back.
I wonder why the casters are going so crazy about PuMa killing ByuL's army. It was more bad micro that killed the army there, and ByuL will just roll over PuMa with the ground tech switch.
On February 27 2013 10:05 Laryleprakon wrote: I hope that's the last time I see that map.
Good work Byul!
you will miss IEM then I guess
They are using that map for HOTS We will see so many turtle games into super armies just sitting there.
Not so sure Metropolis in IEM will end up into a turtle-fest as we've seen in WoL. Now that Protoss and Terran have some better tools against BL/Infestor, along with the nerfs to Infestors, Zergs will likely be focusing on the mid-game with Roach/Hydra/Viper or Ling/Bane/Muta with an Ultralisk transition.
On February 27 2013 10:07 HotGlueGun wrote: JYP????? Should of used JD to snipe Byul, as his ZvZ is really good while his other matchups are lacking.
To go into more detail of why JYP was chosen... Conveniently game 1 of the series so it's free for everyone to watch, SlayerS-EG vs. Fnatic game 1 - JYP vs. ByuL. http://www.gomtv.net/2012gstls2/vod/67601
On February 27 2013 10:07 HotGlueGun wrote: JYP????? Should of used JD to snipe Byul, as his ZvZ is really good while his other matchups are lacking.
To go into more detail of why JYP was chosen... Conveniently game 1 of the series so it's free for everyone to watch, SlayerS-EG vs. Fnatic game 1 - JYP vs. ByuL. http://www.gomtv.net/2012gstls2/vod/67601
Nah bro. It was for the one sentry gas forcefield drop.
This match obviously shows that P>Z, Z>T, T>P in WoL, guys. Terrible balance obviously. Blame David Kim for the terrible choices the teams are forced to make. + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2013 10:25 vthree wrote: Heh, I wonder if EGTL would do better in PL if they could play from their team house...
Probably would. I think a huge part of EG-TL's failure as a Proleague team is because of their unfamiliarity with the environment. We've already seen the stats showing how much better they do in the smaller studio compared to the bigger one.
On February 27 2013 10:23 Dodgin wrote: hey guys can someone tell me why JYP was chosen
It's akin to throwing a lion cub into the river. Either it learns to swim or it dies drowning, except in this case we can run the experiment over and over again until JYP becomes good in vT.
On February 27 2013 10:35 HotGlueGun wrote: JYP was chosen to snipe Byul, which he did. Beating Yoda would just be a bonus for EG. Most likely they are saving Stephano to snipe Yoda.
I wish cross-server stuff wasn't an issue so they could send Idra as a ZvT sniper like they did in the early days
So many Koreans are saying GGYO now, if Yoda plays this standard I think he can take Stephano but if hes greedy or allin I reckon Stephano will react accordingly.
BLs are going to be the death of YoDa. His infrastructure is not prepared, and he cannot afford a decent Viking fleet with such minimal resources trickling in.
On February 27 2013 11:17 negativedge wrote: I'm aware that ZvZ is stephano's worst matchup--everyone is aware of that--but it's also Losira's worst matchup.
On February 27 2013 11:17 negativedge wrote: I'm aware that ZvZ is stephano's worst matchup--everyone is aware of that--but it's also Losira's worst matchup.
I am pretty sure ZvP is LosirA's worse.
Yeah, he's got that gosu 25% win rate in ZvP in the GSL this year... compared to his 75% vs. Terran and 100% ZvZ...
On February 27 2013 11:25 TommyP wrote: GG. I actually think EG can pull it off. Jaedong can beat Losira easily and maybe he can get lucky against a protoss
Maybe if it was his birthday or something.
With Stephano losing, EG is pretty much done for, I'd say.
On February 27 2013 11:25 TommyP wrote: GG. I actually think EG can pull it off. Jaedong can beat Losira easily and maybe he can get lucky against a protoss
I think it is possible but IM still is great position. Although I think Jaedong definitely can beat LosirA, I think it is close to 50/50 or 55/45 for JD. But given JD's ZvP, I think he would be big underdog vs Yonghwa (who is likely to be sent).
I actually don't know who IM is going to send out should Losira lose. NesTea's ZvZ vs. Jaedong ZvZ would be sick but I don't know if IM would put him against JD's best matchup, I would say Jaedong is the favorite over Mvp, and Seed said he uninstalled WoL after he lost code A haha
On February 27 2013 11:25 TommyP wrote: GG. I actually think EG can pull it off. Jaedong can beat Losira easily and maybe he can get lucky against a protoss
I think it is possible but IM still is great position. Although I think Jaedong definitely can beat LosirA, I think it is close to 50/50 or 55/45 for JD. But given JD's ZvP, I think he would be big underdog vs Yonghwa (who is likely to be sent).
On February 27 2013 11:30 TommyP wrote: I actually don't know who IM is going to send out should Losira lose. NesTea's ZvZ vs. Jaedong ZvZ would be sick but I don't know if IM would put him against JD's best matchup, I would Jaedong as a favorite over Mvp, and Seed said he uninstalled WoL after he lost code A haha
Yonghwa is most likely. He has already qualified for IPL (WoL) so he has the most incentive to practice WoL.
Spoiler - Jaedong beats LosirA and wins against a Terran or Zerg or loses against Seed.
Spoiler tags exist for a reason. Use them.
Why? Not like I know/those are the actual results...
Then why put the words "Spoiler"...
because I know he's most likely to beat LosirA seeing how he completely crushed him in Code A last season 2-0 and there was a clear difference in the understanding of/skill in the match-up... The rest is just a prediction.
On February 27 2013 11:30 TommyP wrote: I actually don't know who IM is going to send out should Losira lose. NesTea's ZvZ vs. Jaedong ZvZ would be sick but I don't know if IM would put him against JD's best matchup, I would Jaedong as a favorite over Mvp, and Seed said he uninstalled WoL after he lost code A haha
Yonghwa is most likely. He has already qualified for IPL (WoL) so he has the most incentive to practice WoL.
can't believe i forgot Yonghwa, yea i'd say that's who it is going to be for sure
Spoiler - Jaedong beats LosirA and wins against a Terran or Zerg or loses against Seed.
Spoiler tags exist for a reason. Use them.
Why? Not like I know/those are the actual results...
Then why put the words "Spoiler"...
because I know he's most likely to beat LosirA seeing how he completely crushed him in Code A last season 2-0 and there was a clear difference in the understanding of/skill in the match-up... The rest is just a prediction.
On February 27 2013 11:25 TommyP wrote: GG. I actually think EG can pull it off. Jaedong can beat Losira easily and maybe he can get lucky against a protoss
I think it is possible but IM still is great position. Although I think Jaedong definitely can beat LosirA, I think it is close to 50/50 or 55/45 for JD. But given JD's ZvP, I think he would be big underdog vs Yonghwa (who is likely to be sent).
Spoiler - Jaedong beats LosirA and wins against a Terran or Zerg or loses against Seed.
Spoiler tags exist for a reason. Use them.
Why? Not like I know/those are the actual results...
Then why put the words "Spoiler"...
because I know he's most likely to beat LosirA seeing how he completely crushed him in Code A last season 2-0 and there was a clear difference in the understanding of/skill in the match-up... The rest is just a prediction.
On February 27 2013 11:25 TommyP wrote: GG. I actually think EG can pull it off. Jaedong can beat Losira easily and maybe he can get lucky against a protoss
I think it is possible but IM still is great position. Although I think Jaedong definitely can beat LosirA, I think it is close to 50/50 or 55/45 for JD. But given JD's ZvP, I think he would be big underdog vs Yonghwa (who is likely to be sent).
Well the result was known before after Seed's interview but still, glad EG were able to put up a respectable fight and come relatively close to taking it to the finals.
On February 27 2013 11:42 PhoenixVoid wrote: LosirA hit the perfect timing when Jaedong was trying to transition into Hydras.
more like JD forced an engagement in the middle before his hydras were out
Actually Kevin mentioned it clearly: Losira's infestors were in front, in a very risky position, because he wanted to force an engagement. Normally you don't want your infestors loitering in front or away from your army, but in this case Losira did it intentionally. With his infestors in front he grabbed all Jaedong's roaches with 2 fungals. If he didn't have those infestors in front the engagement would not have happened unless he suicides his roaches into Jaedong. It was a risky but clever move.
On February 27 2013 11:52 IGNProLeague wrote: Thanks for tuning in guys! Make sure to catch the rebroadcast or our vods if you missed any of the games!
Hi. When will we know the 6 players LG-IM is sending to IPL6?
On February 27 2013 11:52 IGNProLeague wrote: Thanks for tuning in guys! Make sure to catch the rebroadcast or our vods if you missed any of the games!
I always leave my stream on the rebroadcast even when I watch it the first time <3
On February 27 2013 11:52 IGNProLeague wrote: Thanks for tuning in guys! Make sure to catch the rebroadcast or our vods if you missed any of the games!
Hi. When will we know the 6 players LG-IM is sending to IPL6?
We are broadcasting our eSF qualifiers on Thursday and Friday, so certainly not until after that.
I think First, LosirA, Yoda are locks both due to recent performances and also contribution to IPTL. I would say Seed but he has stopped practicing WoL. I assume new players like Ruin/Ragnarok are HoTS focused as well.
Perhaps Mvp, Nestea if they want to play. Happy and maybe even True might get a spot if Mvp/Nestea don't want to go.
On February 27 2013 11:52 IGNProLeague wrote: Thanks for tuning in guys! Make sure to catch the rebroadcast or our vods if you missed any of the games!
Hi. When will we know the 6 players LG-IM is sending to IPL6?
We are broadcasting our eSF qualifiers on Thursday and Friday, so certainly not until after that.
Thanks for the answer
On February 27 2013 11:55 vthree wrote: I wonder which players IM will send?
Yonghwa and ByuL are already in.
I think First, LosirA, Yoda are locks both due to recent performances and also contribution to IPTL. I would say Seed but he has stopped practicing WoL. I assume new players like Ruin/Ragnarok are HoTS focused as well.
Perhaps Mvp, Nestea if they want to play. Happy and maybe even True might get a spot if Mvp/Nestea don't want to go.
Seed is going, he said so in his interview for the GSTL finals.
I'm glad LG-IM won, they might be able to take back to back teamleagues. In fact, it is highly likely considering that LG-IM is looking super strong lately with Squirtle and a victory in GSTL Preseason 2013.
More importantly, maybe Mvp might be going to IPL 6? :D
On February 27 2013 11:52 IGNProLeague wrote: Thanks for tuning in guys! Make sure to catch the rebroadcast or our vods if you missed any of the games!
Hi. When will we know the 6 players LG-IM is sending to IPL6?
We are broadcasting our eSF qualifiers on Thursday and Friday, so certainly not until after that.
On February 27 2013 11:55 vthree wrote: I wonder which players IM will send?
Yonghwa and ByuL are already in.
I think First, LosirA, Yoda are locks both due to recent performances and also contribution to IPTL. I would say Seed but he has stopped practicing WoL. I assume new players like Ruin/Ragnarok are HoTS focused as well.
Perhaps Mvp, Nestea if they want to play. Happy and maybe even True might get a spot if Mvp/Nestea don't want to go.
Seed is going, he said so in his interview for the GSTL finals.
On February 27 2013 12:02 sinigang wrote: Even in IPTL, EG plays bad.
I thought they did pretty well in this IPTL season, they beat FXO and Prime, took 3 games from IM.
by any objective (read: not retarded) measure, they did very well
buying top name after top name, one would also expect them to do fairly well.
remember fnatic did equally well (in GSTL) with a weaker lineup on paper, but at least with players that played with their hearts (aLive, Moon, ByuL...hell even Rain)
EG feels much more like a mercenary team than any other team, a team that has solely a financial bond to their sponsors.
On February 27 2013 12:02 sinigang wrote: Even in IPTL, EG plays bad.
I thought they did pretty well in this IPTL season, they beat FXO and Prime, took 3 games from IM.
by any objective (read: not retarded) measure, they did very well
buying top name after top name, one would also expect them to do fairly well.
remember fnatic did equally well (in GSTL) with a weaker lineup on paper, but at least with players that played with their hearts (aLive, Moon, ByuL...hell even Rain)
EG feels much more like a mercenary team than any other team, a team that has solely a financial bond to their sponsors.
there is this very good reason to dislike them
But that reason does not then translate to shit talking them at every possible opportunity.
EG had to build their Korean squad from the ground up because they started as a foreigner only team, I don't see their players as mercenaries. What do you expect them to do, stick with foreigners forever and fade into irrelevancy? That has happened to so many teams already, even with EG having most of the best foreigners they would be weak in the global scene without JYP, Puma, Revival and Jaedong. I hope they will continue trying hard in Korea and expand their lineup to include more B teamers/practice partners and maybe some good teamless players like Alive or Oz.
On February 27 2013 14:23 Dodgin wrote: EG had to build their Korean squad from the ground up because they started as a foreigner only team, I don't see their players as mercenaries. What do you expect them to do, stick with foreigners forever and fade into irrelevancy? That has happened to so many teams already, even with EG having most of the best foreigners they would be weak in the global scene without JYP, Puma, Revival and Jaedong. I hope they will continue trying hard in Korea and expand their lineup to include more B teamers/practice partners and maybe some good teamless players like Alive or Oz.
Though not far from realistic, that would break my heart
On February 27 2013 11:52 IGNProLeague wrote: Thanks for tuning in guys! Make sure to catch the rebroadcast or our vods if you missed any of the games!
Hi. When will we know the 6 players LG-IM is sending to IPL6?
We are broadcasting our eSF qualifiers on Thursday and Friday, so certainly not until after that.
oh good, i can delude myself for a bit that one of my favourites isn't massively sucking atm lol
How one can call taking three games of the (now) most stacked team in the world "disappointing" or "really bad" is beyond me. Taking out the three players EG did is a great achievement - sure, it would have been cool to see them get to the finals, but that could hardly be expected with IM's current depth.
On February 27 2013 18:30 Zealously wrote: How one can call taking three games of the (now) most stacked team in the world "disappointing" or "really bad" is beyond me. Taking out the three players EG did is a great achievement - sure, it would have been cool to see them get to the finals, but that could hardly be expected with IM's current depth.
To stir up shit and because hating on EG is common enough for insecure teenagers to feel safe and belonging to a group. Not much to it really.
On February 27 2013 18:30 Zealously wrote: How one can call taking three games of the (now) most stacked team in the world "disappointing" or "really bad" is beyond me. Taking out the three players EG did is a great achievement - sure, it would have been cool to see them get to the finals, but that could hardly be expected with IM's current depth.
Since Liquid/Taeja got to the finals of IPL TAC it's expected for EG to match that, since Liquid flopped hard this season. Either way, despite beating some of the best teams and players EG has an invisible standard set around them for some reason that they're supposed to beat everyone. Very silly.
On February 27 2013 18:30 Zealously wrote: How one can call taking three games of the (now) most stacked team in the world "disappointing" or "really bad" is beyond me. Taking out the three players EG did is a great achievement - sure, it would have been cool to see them get to the finals, but that could hardly be expected with IM's current depth.
Since Liquid/Taeja got to the finals of IPL TAC it's expected for EG to match that, since Liquid flopped hard this season. Either way, despite beating some of the best teams and players EG has an invisible standard set around them for some reason that they're supposed to beat everyone. Very silly.
The problem is that people are still in the mindset that KeSPA teams aren't that great or Proleague players haven't had the time the ESF teams had in SC2, so they are judging EG based on bad They have been in Proleague while ignoring the fact that PL is the most competitive team league by far with players who practice more for their BO1 in the team league than any individual leagues.
Now everything outside of Proleague is compared to Proleague, when EG loses its just another sign of how "overrated" and bad they are. If they win, it's a fluke because they suck in Proleague.(Proleague is tougher than IPTL IMO)
On February 27 2013 18:30 Zealously wrote: How one can call taking three games of the (now) most stacked team in the world "disappointing" or "really bad" is beyond me. Taking out the three players EG did is a great achievement - sure, it would have been cool to see them get to the finals, but that could hardly be expected with IM's current depth.
To stir up shit and because hating on EG is common enough for insecure teenagers to feel safe and belonging to a group. Not much to it really.
I dislike EG a lot but this was still a good showing by them, games were really close. Dunno why some people need to be so negative, just ignore them.
I really think EG is a team that is better suited to All Kill than PL format.
In my opinion, if it had been Prime instead of EG, then no one would be saying that Prime sucked. they would be like "aww, so close" "at least they made it to the semi's" and such. people love to hate.
Nice going by EG, I was actually expecting a First all-kill, but I think they picked some intelligent snipers, and made good player choices. PuMa to take a protoss, JYP to take a zerg, and Stephano to take a terran. In the end, the sheer depth of IM was too much, but EG put up a good fight - nice way to end a really succesful IPTL run. If only they could do the same in proleague, but alas, I think proleague is forever doomed to be viewed through mysticism and will never make rational sense.
On February 27 2013 18:30 Zealously wrote: How one can call taking three games of the (now) most stacked team in the world "disappointing" or "really bad" is beyond me. Taking out the three players EG did is a great achievement - sure, it would have been cool to see them get to the finals, but that could hardly be expected with IM's current depth.
To stir up shit and because hating on EG is common enough for insecure teenagers to feel safe and belonging to a group. Not much to it really.
LOL. This actually made me laugh. I think someone's been reading too much pseudo-psychology.
In all seriousness, their favorite team probably lost to EG or they don't like some EG player or whatever.
On February 27 2013 14:23 Dodgin wrote: EG had to build their Korean squad from the ground up because they started as a foreigner only team, I don't see their players as mercenaries. What do you expect them to do, stick with foreigners forever and fade into irrelevancy? That has happened to so many teams already, even with EG having most of the best foreigners they would be weak in the global scene without JYP, Puma, Revival and Jaedong. I hope they will continue trying hard in Korea and expand their lineup to include more B teamers/practice partners and maybe some good teamless players like Alive or Oz.
Well i wouldn't say from the ground up. They basically buy players that are doing well atm/are popular. Nothing wrong with that but not much players you can really say that are EG grown compared to other teams. After Suppy i was kinda hoping for some more EG grown players and then they suddenly bought Stephano and Jaedong.
On February 27 2013 14:23 Dodgin wrote: EG had to build their Korean squad from the ground up because they started as a foreigner only team, I don't see their players as mercenaries. What do you expect them to do, stick with foreigners forever and fade into irrelevancy? That has happened to so many teams already, even with EG having most of the best foreigners they would be weak in the global scene without JYP, Puma, Revival and Jaedong. I hope they will continue trying hard in Korea and expand their lineup to include more B teamers/practice partners and maybe some good teamless players like Alive or Oz.
Well i wouldn't say from the ground up. They basically buy players that are doing well atm/are popular. Nothing wrong with that but not much players you can really say that are EG grown compared to other teams. After Suppy i was kinda hoping for some more EG grown players and then they suddenly bought Stephano and Jaedong.
Trying to start a Korean squad with unknowns doesn't work if you want to play in a league like Proleague, Azubu is a team formed from well known and successful players but nobody calls them a collection of mercenaries.
On February 27 2013 14:23 Dodgin wrote: EG had to build their Korean squad from the ground up because they started as a foreigner only team, I don't see their players as mercenaries. What do you expect them to do, stick with foreigners forever and fade into irrelevancy? That has happened to so many teams already, even with EG having most of the best foreigners they would be weak in the global scene without JYP, Puma, Revival and Jaedong. I hope they will continue trying hard in Korea and expand their lineup to include more B teamers/practice partners and maybe some good teamless players like Alive or Oz.
Well i wouldn't say from the ground up. They basically buy players that are doing well atm/are popular. Nothing wrong with that but not much players you can really say that are EG grown compared to other teams. After Suppy i was kinda hoping for some more EG grown players and then they suddenly bought Stephano and Jaedong.
PuMa, JYP, Revival weren't exactly household names when EG bought them. JD was the only 'big name' koreans they bought.
On February 27 2013 14:23 Dodgin wrote: EG had to build their Korean squad from the ground up because they started as a foreigner only team, I don't see their players as mercenaries. What do you expect them to do, stick with foreigners forever and fade into irrelevancy? That has happened to so many teams already, even with EG having most of the best foreigners they would be weak in the global scene without JYP, Puma, Revival and Jaedong. I hope they will continue trying hard in Korea and expand their lineup to include more B teamers/practice partners and maybe some good teamless players like Alive or Oz.
Well i wouldn't say from the ground up. They basically buy players that are doing well atm/are popular. Nothing wrong with that but not much players you can really say that are EG grown compared to other teams. After Suppy i was kinda hoping for some more EG grown players and then they suddenly bought Stephano and Jaedong.
PuMa, JYP, Revival weren't exactly household names when EG bought them. JD was the only 'big name' koreans they bought.
PuMa was on the edge of becoming TSL's ace when EG picked him up, if I recall correctly. Part of the reason why the TSL coach was so furious.
On February 27 2013 14:23 Dodgin wrote: EG had to build their Korean squad from the ground up because they started as a foreigner only team, I don't see their players as mercenaries. What do you expect them to do, stick with foreigners forever and fade into irrelevancy? That has happened to so many teams already, even with EG having most of the best foreigners they would be weak in the global scene without JYP, Puma, Revival and Jaedong. I hope they will continue trying hard in Korea and expand their lineup to include more B teamers/practice partners and maybe some good teamless players like Alive or Oz.
Well i wouldn't say from the ground up. They basically buy players that are doing well atm/are popular. Nothing wrong with that but not much players you can really say that are EG grown compared to other teams. After Suppy i was kinda hoping for some more EG grown players and then they suddenly bought Stephano and Jaedong.
PuMa, JYP, Revival weren't exactly household names when EG bought them. JD was the only 'big name' koreans they bought.
PuMA just won NASL by beating MC who then was thought nearly unbeatable. JYP got recruited just after he reached Code S. Rivival you have a point but the other 2 were exactly picked when they looked strongest.
On February 27 2013 14:23 Dodgin wrote: EG had to build their Korean squad from the ground up because they started as a foreigner only team, I don't see their players as mercenaries. What do you expect them to do, stick with foreigners forever and fade into irrelevancy? That has happened to so many teams already, even with EG having most of the best foreigners they would be weak in the global scene without JYP, Puma, Revival and Jaedong. I hope they will continue trying hard in Korea and expand their lineup to include more B teamers/practice partners and maybe some good teamless players like Alive or Oz.
Well i wouldn't say from the ground up. They basically buy players that are doing well atm/are popular. Nothing wrong with that but not much players you can really say that are EG grown compared to other teams. After Suppy i was kinda hoping for some more EG grown players and then they suddenly bought Stephano and Jaedong.
PuMa, JYP, Revival weren't exactly household names when EG bought them. JD was the only 'big name' koreans they bought.
PuMA just won NASL by beating MC who then was thought nearly unbeatable. JYP got recruited just after he reached Code S. Rivival you have a point but the other 2 were exactly picked when they looked strongest.
Actually, it was confirmed that Puma was signed a week prior to NASL finals.
And JYP was signed just before the Code S qual.
Still valid that they go after players in their prime, but what you said is not the truth.
On February 27 2013 14:23 Dodgin wrote: EG had to build their Korean squad from the ground up because they started as a foreigner only team, I don't see their players as mercenaries. What do you expect them to do, stick with foreigners forever and fade into irrelevancy? That has happened to so many teams already, even with EG having most of the best foreigners they would be weak in the global scene without JYP, Puma, Revival and Jaedong. I hope they will continue trying hard in Korea and expand their lineup to include more B teamers/practice partners and maybe some good teamless players like Alive or Oz.
Well i wouldn't say from the ground up. They basically buy players that are doing well atm/are popular. Nothing wrong with that but not much players you can really say that are EG grown compared to other teams. After Suppy i was kinda hoping for some more EG grown players and then they suddenly bought Stephano and Jaedong.
PuMa, JYP, Revival weren't exactly household names when EG bought them. JD was the only 'big name' koreans they bought.
PuMA just won NASL by beating MC who then was thought nearly unbeatable. JYP got recruited just after he reached Code S. Rivival you have a point but the other 2 were exactly picked when they looked strongest.
Actually, it was confirmed that Puma was signed a week prior to NASL finals.
And JYP was signed just before the Code S qual.
Still valid that they go after players in their prime, but what you said is not the truth.
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