On February 27 2013 21:15 Snusmumriken wrote: Im not really sure if Rain is top3 protoss currently. I feel like he mainly benefited from innovative thinking in the first period of the kespa transition but his mechanics are not as solid as some other top-players (but still very good) and he's actually become very predictable it seems.
Oh Rain definitely isn't a top 3 protoss anymore. Top 3 kespa toss, with maybe sOs as the top of that list.
Rain still doesn't hold me as stronger than Parting, Squirtle and MC though. I mean maybe he still is up there, but he just looks so far from the near invincible kespa player that stormed into OSL and GSL last year.
MC really is not that strong anymore and Squirtle recently has been good but not great. Overall i would say Rain is still a top 2 protoss trailing Parting.
top 3 toss are flying rain and shy
Flying? are you drunk?
K dude,,,who knows more about the game. An actual progamer, or you?
Ad MKP is bad because Idra said so, right?
Actually Idra retracted that statement fyi. Its silly when casuals argue with players that play the game at the highest level.
Lol when? Idra was still calling mkp bad on stream like a week or two ago. Players like idra can't be trusted on other players skills because they don't judge them objectively and do it on whether they like that player or their play style. Plus, Idra's opinion can be bought so easily as we've seen with huk. Idra was calling huk awful and terrible during that one mlg, then shortly after, huk joins eg and suddenly idra is singing huk's praises.
The real issue here is thinking TT1 has authority as an "actual progamer."
I thought he was trolling. If he isn't then maybe he played against Flying on ladder, got his ass handed to him and now thinks he is awesome lol.
Incredible games from Flash and a great hold by Rain in game 2...
I feel like if Rain had a forward pylon for counter warp ins I feel like he could have done much better. Flash can't have much at home if he's pushing at the front and dropping everywhere. Rain couldn't attack because FLash was attacking so much and Rain had to defend.
On February 28 2013 01:03 LighT. wrote: Just watched the VODs.. That was simply unreal... If that terran was anyone else not named Flash including Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, MVP, they would have been just rolled. Rain with good drop defense and still flash takes the lead wtf?? I can picture the entire game 1 when rain was frantically running around his base, making base and trying to defend it and thinking "Stahpppp" . You'd think with mass viking production, the trickery pulled Rain ahead since he had a total of 1 colosseus..except..those vikings has an assault mode where it completely fucked over his tech and mining time. It's clear, Flash was frustrated with his inability to get into Code S after two unsuccessful tries and went all out and we were treated with what completely focused Flash is like. It's unfortunate that Flash only has 1 WoL game remaining before his full on switch to HoTS. From what I recall, he likes to abuse the widow mine.
Rain played well actually..really good. he took the necessary procedures to stop flash in both game 1 and game 2. except for the slighest slightest flaw in his decision-making, flash took full advantage of it. Jesus..Christ that game...I still cant believe what I saw, and I'm a flash fan.
Yeah you saying Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, MVP would've been rolled is just bullshit and blind fanboyism. Flash had some nice moves, but to say no other terran can do it just doesn't make sense. Flash played well though and I look forward to seeing him in HOTS probably more than anyone else.
Alrighty. Maybe rolled is not the right choice of words... Moreso, the game would be more even if it was anyone else .I have never seen a triple prolonged attack with al attacks being microed with precision where a top notch toss had no idea how to handle the situation, while he was macroing and expanding. What I notice from flashes games is that for tvz tvp, once he gets a lead; its over. The opponent falls further and further behind adterwards until they tap out. Most terrans including the ones ive listed would not be able to pull it off IMO, his mechanics are off the charts and although i am a fan of flash; Ive been closely followinh thr likes of bomber mvp and taeja for a while.
I was very impressed by Flash today, but I'm not convinced that he has better TvP than Bomber yet. He might, eventually, but not right now. That said, I'm looking forward to Flash in HoTS.
Yea Flash played really well, but it's nothign i haven't seen from Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, or even MVP Dream, etc
and i say it's bullshit and blind fanboyism, how do you counter? And you know what - flash did nothing special in bw too, neither did anyone. 2x muta-stack - pfff who can't do it, i mean they are progamers they have 400 apm etc. Basically that's what you're saying.
On February 28 2013 01:03 LighT. wrote: Just watched the VODs.. That was simply unreal... If that terran was anyone else not named Flash including Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, MVP, they would have been just rolled. Rain with good drop defense and still flash takes the lead wtf?? I can picture the entire game 1 when rain was frantically running around his base, making base and trying to defend it and thinking "Stahpppp" . You'd think with mass viking production, the trickery pulled Rain ahead since he had a total of 1 colosseus..except..those vikings has an assault mode where it completely fucked over his tech and mining time. It's clear, Flash was frustrated with his inability to get into Code S after two unsuccessful tries and went all out and we were treated with what completely focused Flash is like. It's unfortunate that Flash only has 1 WoL game remaining before his full on switch to HoTS. From what I recall, he likes to abuse the widow mine.
Rain played well actually..really good. he took the necessary procedures to stop flash in both game 1 and game 2. except for the slighest slightest flaw in his decision-making, flash took full advantage of it. Jesus..Christ that game...I still cant believe what I saw, and I'm a flash fan.
Yeah you saying Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, MVP would've been rolled is just bullshit and blind fanboyism. Flash had some nice moves, but to say no other terran can do it just doesn't make sense. Flash played well though and I look forward to seeing him in HOTS probably more than anyone else.
Alrighty. Maybe rolled is not the right choice of words... Moreso, the game would be more even if it was anyone else .I have never seen a triple prolonged attack with al attacks being microed with precision where a top notch toss had no idea how to handle the situation, while he was macroing and expanding. What I notice from flashes games is that for tvz tvp, once he gets a lead; its over. The opponent falls further and further behind adterwards until they tap out. Most terrans including the ones ive listed would not be able to pull it off IMO, his mechanics are off the charts and although i am a fan of flash; Ive been closely followinh thr likes of bomber mvp and taeja for a while.
I was very impressed by Flash today, but I'm not convinced that he has better TvP than Bomber yet. He might, eventually, but not right now. That said, I'm looking forward to Flash in HoTS.
Yea Flash played really well, but it's nothign i haven't seen from Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, or even MVP Dream, etc
and i say it's bullshit and blind fanboyism, how do you counter? And you know what - flash did nothing special in bw too, neither did anyone. 2x muta-stack - pfff who can't do it, i mean they are progamers they have 400 apm etc. Basically that's what you're saying.
What are you even arguing about?
People are saying that Flash looked good but he surely doesnt look better than the best of TvP (which was the original claim). No-one in anything you quoted said Flash played bad. ??????
On February 28 2013 01:03 LighT. wrote: Just watched the VODs.. That was simply unreal... If that terran was anyone else not named Flash including Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, MVP, they would have been just rolled. Rain with good drop defense and still flash takes the lead wtf?? I can picture the entire game 1 when rain was frantically running around his base, making base and trying to defend it and thinking "Stahpppp" . You'd think with mass viking production, the trickery pulled Rain ahead since he had a total of 1 colosseus..except..those vikings has an assault mode where it completely fucked over his tech and mining time. It's clear, Flash was frustrated with his inability to get into Code S after two unsuccessful tries and went all out and we were treated with what completely focused Flash is like. It's unfortunate that Flash only has 1 WoL game remaining before his full on switch to HoTS. From what I recall, he likes to abuse the widow mine.
Rain played well actually..really good. he took the necessary procedures to stop flash in both game 1 and game 2. except for the slighest slightest flaw in his decision-making, flash took full advantage of it. Jesus..Christ that game...I still cant believe what I saw, and I'm a flash fan.
Yeah you saying Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, MVP would've been rolled is just bullshit and blind fanboyism. Flash had some nice moves, but to say no other terran can do it just doesn't make sense. Flash played well though and I look forward to seeing him in HOTS probably more than anyone else.
Alrighty. Maybe rolled is not the right choice of words... Moreso, the game would be more even if it was anyone else .I have never seen a triple prolonged attack with al attacks being microed with precision where a top notch toss had no idea how to handle the situation, while he was macroing and expanding. What I notice from flashes games is that for tvz tvp, once he gets a lead; its over. The opponent falls further and further behind adterwards until they tap out. Most terrans including the ones ive listed would not be able to pull it off IMO, his mechanics are off the charts and although i am a fan of flash; Ive been closely followinh thr likes of bomber mvp and taeja for a while.
I was very impressed by Flash today, but I'm not convinced that he has better TvP than Bomber yet. He might, eventually, but not right now. That said, I'm looking forward to Flash in HoTS.
Yea Flash played really well, but it's nothign i haven't seen from Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, or even MVP Dream, etc
and i say it's bullshit and blind fanboyism, how do you counter? And you know what - flash did nothing special in bw too, neither did anyone. 2x muta-stack - pfff who can't do it, i mean they are progamers they have 400 apm etc. Basically that's what you're saying.
What are you even arguing about?
People are saying that Flash looked good but he surely doesnt look better than the best of TvP (which was the original claim). No-one in anything you quoted said Flash played bad. ??????
I know exactly what the point is. Please explain me, the kind gentlemen, how do you measure if "gumiho has been doing this forever" or if he was doing just 80% of that? Obviously there was multipronged attacks and drops before flash but this: "surely he doesnt look better than the best of TvP" is just empty words, so are "flash da best" yet the second bothers you, the first you consider true.
On February 27 2013 21:05 grungust wrote: Flash might be the best terran player in the world already. Oh dear...
Artosis disagrees.
Yep, just watch this and replace Nestea with "Innovation" or "Bogus"
Innovation is too quick, too smart, too handsome. Innovation is too Bogus (el oh el)! (Also Bogus as in he is so good, it must be Bogus?!!! ...I just realized I made an actually decent pun off of his name >.>. If a player is so good, it must be Bogus, as in Bogus the actual player!)
Really though, Innovation was becoming the next Nestea. (From Symbol vs Innovation) Tasteless - Innovation is like Neo from the Matrix.
Artosis - Pfft, no. Innovation was the one who created the Matrix.
I just watched the VODs, and have to say that Flash played well, even though the level of harassment is not truly unprecedented, or "godly" as some are prone to claim. In game 1, where he killed 10 probes, it was simply the "drop main, stim into nat" tactic.
What really sets him apart is how he never let go of this small victory and widened the supply gap later. The 10 probe kill might very well have little effect if other players are playing.
On February 28 2013 01:03 LighT. wrote: Just watched the VODs.. That was simply unreal... If that terran was anyone else not named Flash including Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, MVP, they would have been just rolled. Rain with good drop defense and still flash takes the lead wtf?? I can picture the entire game 1 when rain was frantically running around his base, making base and trying to defend it and thinking "Stahpppp" . You'd think with mass viking production, the trickery pulled Rain ahead since he had a total of 1 colosseus..except..those vikings has an assault mode where it completely fucked over his tech and mining time. It's clear, Flash was frustrated with his inability to get into Code S after two unsuccessful tries and went all out and we were treated with what completely focused Flash is like. It's unfortunate that Flash only has 1 WoL game remaining before his full on switch to HoTS. From what I recall, he likes to abuse the widow mine.
Rain played well actually..really good. he took the necessary procedures to stop flash in both game 1 and game 2. except for the slighest slightest flaw in his decision-making, flash took full advantage of it. Jesus..Christ that game...I still cant believe what I saw, and I'm a flash fan.
Yeah you saying Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, MVP would've been rolled is just bullshit and blind fanboyism. Flash had some nice moves, but to say no other terran can do it just doesn't make sense. Flash played well though and I look forward to seeing him in HOTS probably more than anyone else.
Alrighty. Maybe rolled is not the right choice of words... Moreso, the game would be more even if it was anyone else .I have never seen a triple prolonged attack with al attacks being microed with precision where a top notch toss had no idea how to handle the situation, while he was macroing and expanding. What I notice from flashes games is that for tvz tvp, once he gets a lead; its over. The opponent falls further and further behind adterwards until they tap out. Most terrans including the ones ive listed would not be able to pull it off IMO, his mechanics are off the charts and although i am a fan of flash; Ive been closely followinh thr likes of bomber mvp and taeja for a while.
I was very impressed by Flash today, but I'm not convinced that he has better TvP than Bomber yet. He might, eventually, but not right now. That said, I'm looking forward to Flash in HoTS.
Yea Flash played really well, but it's nothign i haven't seen from Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, or even MVP Dream, etc
and i say it's bullshit and blind fanboyism, how do you counter? And you know what - flash did nothing special in bw too, neither did anyone. 2x muta-stack - pfff who can't do it, i mean they are progamers they have 400 apm etc. Basically that's what you're saying.
that's right, flash did nothing very special in BW except that game with "god's move". he just did things more efficiently and more correctly than anyone else alive. tbls etc. are all capable of being in 3 places at once. but out of them flash has by far the best grasp of the game...when in "god mode" flash is truly incomparable.
On February 28 2013 01:03 LighT. wrote: Just watched the VODs.. That was simply unreal... If that terran was anyone else not named Flash including Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, MVP, they would have been just rolled. Rain with good drop defense and still flash takes the lead wtf?? I can picture the entire game 1 when rain was frantically running around his base, making base and trying to defend it and thinking "Stahpppp" . You'd think with mass viking production, the trickery pulled Rain ahead since he had a total of 1 colosseus..except..those vikings has an assault mode where it completely fucked over his tech and mining time. It's clear, Flash was frustrated with his inability to get into Code S after two unsuccessful tries and went all out and we were treated with what completely focused Flash is like. It's unfortunate that Flash only has 1 WoL game remaining before his full on switch to HoTS. From what I recall, he likes to abuse the widow mine.
Rain played well actually..really good. he took the necessary procedures to stop flash in both game 1 and game 2. except for the slighest slightest flaw in his decision-making, flash took full advantage of it. Jesus..Christ that game...I still cant believe what I saw, and I'm a flash fan.
Yeah you saying Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, MVP would've been rolled is just bullshit and blind fanboyism. Flash had some nice moves, but to say no other terran can do it just doesn't make sense. Flash played well though and I look forward to seeing him in HOTS probably more than anyone else.
Alrighty. Maybe rolled is not the right choice of words... Moreso, the game would be more even if it was anyone else .I have never seen a triple prolonged attack with al attacks being microed with precision where a top notch toss had no idea how to handle the situation, while he was macroing and expanding. What I notice from flashes games is that for tvz tvp, once he gets a lead; its over. The opponent falls further and further behind adterwards until they tap out. Most terrans including the ones ive listed would not be able to pull it off IMO, his mechanics are off the charts and although i am a fan of flash; Ive been closely followinh thr likes of bomber mvp and taeja for a while.
I was very impressed by Flash today, but I'm not convinced that he has better TvP than Bomber yet. He might, eventually, but not right now. That said, I'm looking forward to Flash in HoTS.
Yea Flash played really well, but it's nothign i haven't seen from Taeja, Gumiho, Bomber, or even MVP Dream, etc
and i say it's bullshit and blind fanboyism, how do you counter? And you know what - flash did nothing special in bw too, neither did anyone. 2x muta-stack - pfff who can't do it, i mean they are progamers they have 400 apm etc. Basically that's what you're saying.
that's right, flash did nothing very special in BW except that game with "god's move". he just did things more efficiently and more correctly than anyone else alive. tbls etc. are all capable of being in 3 places at once. but out of them flash has by far the best grasp of the game...when in "god mode" flash is truly incomparable.
how is being the most efficient and correct not 'very special'? you say he's better than everyone else in that regard yet it's nothing very special? your idea of 'very special' seems to be some fancy multitasking and micro which tends to impress people who don't understand much about the game.
Saw Flash vs. Rain when it was rebroadcasted and wow, Flash was so dam impressive! He was double dropping and attacking with his main force. Maybe part of it was that Rain was passive but Flash didn't even give him the chance to move out. Both games were really impressive imo and honestly, if he keeps playing as he did and practicing, then he'll eventually reign supreme lol.
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