On February 15 2013 21:12 Elite_ wrote: Fun fact - According to Leenock, neither him or GuMiho have touched HotS outside of the MLG showdowns for GuMiho... + Show Spoiler [result] +
On February 15 2013 21:12 Elite_ wrote: Fun fact - According to Leenock, neither him or GuMiho have touched HotS outside of the MLG showdowns for GuMiho... + Show Spoiler [result] +
FXO / FXO players will always win when they are considered the underdog. And always lose when they are considered the favourite. That's the curse / gift they got.
FXO always lost to Prime prepatch on WoL. Then they won everytime. Time to crush these little kids MKP :D, reminds Leenock why he wasn't able to beat you.
MKP getting an all kill is possible. He crushed Seed like he was nothing in that showmatch. Even saw a few games of him offracing as toss against Tfunk/Thorzain in Thorzain's HOTS ladder stream and beat him as well. FXO gonna have a hard time against him unless they got someone prepared to snipe him.
On February 15 2013 21:12 Elite_ wrote: Fun fact - According to Leenock, neither him or GuMiho have touched HotS outside of the MLG showdowns for GuMiho... + Show Spoiler [result] +
Expecting to see Lucky, Choya/Grubby/TheBest/Kong/Acou, Gumiho, Tear (probably roughly in that order) for FXO, MarineKing, ByuN/Classic/Lucy, Creator, Maru for Prime.
Never underestimate FXO in GSTL. They actually care about it. FXO has this. Hopefully we'll finally get to see some Zergs tonight(can't believe I'm saying that. lmao).
I accidentally picked FXO without thinking about it. Then some hours went by, and I realised Prime's prominents position on the HotS ladder. Kinda still in WoL mindset here... Prime is probably the on paper favourites, but I will be crossing fingers for a choke, and FXO winning. :p
On February 17 2013 09:36 Die4Ever wrote: I think Prime takes this, it seems Zergs have been struggling in HotS and I don't think FXO can take this without Leenock getting 1 or 2 wins.
Yea but since Leenock got out on the round of 32, he's probably got the chance to play quite a bit of hots
On February 17 2013 09:36 Die4Ever wrote: I think Prime takes this, it seems Zergs have been struggling in HotS and I don't think FXO can take this without Leenock getting 1 or 2 wins.
Yea but since Leenock got out on the round of 32, he's probably got the chance to play quite a bit of hots
Leenock still has a tough Code A match ahead of him though since he's playing Yonghwa and he's going to IPL6 so he cant really devote as much time to HoTS as he probably would like
I'm wondering what the story of that last song is because the music video doesn't really... make a ton of sense, despite looking like it kinda told one.
So long as zerg units are terrible in small amounts, and so long as the meta game is to be aggressive from a very early period in the game then there is very little chance of zerg winning.
On February 17 2013 14:16 Havik_ wrote: What about Zerg makes them underpowered in hots? I find it very hard to believe that Zerg is UP with how WoL has been for the past year.
Zerg is just too strong in wol because of how well there units work in massive quantities, and there able to get there very easily because of fungal + queens.
On February 17 2013 14:16 Havik_ wrote: What about Zerg makes them underpowered in hots? I find it very hard to believe that Zerg is UP with how WoL has been for the past year.
P and T both got new early-game toys, which are very powerful. Z didn't.
earlier today there were 3 Prime Terran accounts as the top 3 spots on the ladder as well as another Terran account called PRIME at about 130 in GM and then the LucyPrime protoss account is pretty highly ranked too
MKP opens CC first against Lucky's hatchery first. MKP goes for reactored hellions while Lucky gets some roaches and burrow. Lucky rushes MKP with a few roaches and he has to pull SCVs to hold. Lucky uses his burrow heal to remain in the base, and he manages to kill 16 SCVs. MKP moves out with marine-maruader-hellbat but Lucky has too much defense at home, so MKP retreats and techs up at home. Lucky pressures MKP with roaches again, and has some cute moves to minimise MKP's widow mine defense. However, MKP has too much bio at home and he pushes Lucky back.
MKP drops Lucky's main base with turbovacs and does minimal damage, scouting Lucky's new third. MKP takes out the third base, but Lucky counterattacks with his roaches. A small basetrade situation occurs but MKP's army does much better than Lucky's, killing Lucky's bases faster than MKP loses his own. Lucky GGs!
On February 17 2013 14:41 bearzly wrote: Terrible decision to base race but I guess his decision to go 2 base and get a lot of roaches was also terrible
On February 17 2013 14:41 bearzly wrote: Terrible decision to base race but I guess his decision to go 2 base and get a lot of roaches was also terrible
his decisions were base race or fight that army which wouldve resulted in a massacre
Why is Lucky the one of the first Zergs to use a burrowed Roach to follow an army?
Lucky made some bad decisions that game, but he also did a lot of things that -every- Zerg should do but doesn't do. (Well every Zerg who upgrades Burrow movement anyway)
On February 16 2013 17:18 MCXD wrote: Expecting to see Lucky, Choya/Grubby/TheBest/Kong/Acou, Gumiho, Tear (probably roughly in that order) for FXO, MarineKing, ByuN/Classic/Lucy, Creator, Maru for Prime.
First game I watched in HotS. Very interesting. Is there anywhere I can find changes in HotS? I couldn't care less how things have transitioned during beta. So, it would be nice if there is a list of changes "directly" from current WoL patch. I heard there have been something like 15 patches so far, but earlier patches must be irrelevant at this point.
On February 17 2013 14:40 DrPhilOfdOOm wrote: Lol Zerg gets massive lead, np make hellbats/marauders
It wasnt a massive lead, that's the problem. He made the most optimal aggression vs what MKP had, MKP didnt scout anything and wasnt prepared at all and still was completely fine
Issue isnt about hellbats/marauder here, it's about Zerg early aggression being irrelevant
On February 17 2013 14:40 DrPhilOfdOOm wrote: Lol Zerg gets massive lead, np make hellbats/marauders
It wasnt a massive lead, that's the problem. He made the most optimal aggression vs what MKP had, MKP didnt scout anything and wasnt prepared at all and still was completely fine
Issue isnt about hellbats/marauder here, it's about Zerg early aggression being irrelevant
Its about zerg early units being useless early game.
Who's rank #3 on HotS ladder right now? He has the same clan tag as MaruPrime and KTFlash, and plays Terran. Another Prime player? Maru or MKP's smurf?
Edit: LOLOLOL completely forgot about Byn, it's probably Byun.
On February 17 2013 14:48 Orek wrote: First game I watched in HotS. Very interesting. Is there anywhere I can find changes in HotS? I couldn't care less how things have transitioned during beta. So, it would be nice if there is a list of changes "directly" from current WoL patch. I heard there have been something like 15 patches so far, but earlier patches must be irrelevant at this point.
Increases damage to armored units by 6 for 20 seconds, with a 1 minute cooldown. This does not scale with upgrades.
Activating the ability now causes a timer to display over the Void Ray for the duration of the effect.
Supply cost increased from 3 to 4.
TERRAN
Armory
The Armory now only has one armor upgrade for both air and ground upgrades for both Factory and Starport units.
Battlecruiser
Yamato Cannon energy cost decreased from 125 to 100.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Hellbat
Medivac
New ability: Ignite Afterburners
Speed boost that increases movement speed and acceleration to 4.25 for 8 seconds. 20 second cooldown.
Raven
Seeker Missile has been redesigned:
Energy cost decreased from 125 to 75.
Can now fire from 10 range.
Missile comes out and stays immobile in front of the Raven for 5 seconds while charging up, then rapidly moves and explodes at the target for 100 damage plus splash damage.
Targeted unit lights up red when targeted. If the unit moves 13 range out of where the Seeker Missile is, the Missile fizzles.
Reaper
New passive ability: Combat Drugs
Health regenerates 2hp/s if not attacked during the last 10 seconds (same as Protoss shields)
Health increased from 50 to 60.
Movement speed increased from 2.95 to 3.75.
No longer requires a Tech Lab Addon.
No longer have their anti-building grenades.
P-45 Gauss Pistol weapon damage decreased from 4 +5 vs. Light to 4.
Siege Tank
Siege Tanks no longer require an upgrade in order to enter Siege Mode.
Thor
250mm Strike Cannons has been removed, along with its associated energy bar.
The Thor can now switch between two modes: High-Impact Payload and Explosive Payload. The mode shift takes 4 seconds.
When in High-Impact Payload mode, the Thor switches to a different anti-air gun (250mm Punisher Cannons) that has 10 range and deals 24 flat damage.
Thor radius, inner radius, and separation radius increased from 0.8215 to 1.
Revamped overall UI layout, art, and graphic style.
More detailed information on these changes can be found here.
Clans Support Added
Clan tags are now pre-pended to character names of all players who join a clan.
More detailed information on Clan Support can be found here.
Leveling System
Players now earn XP when playing Ranked and Unranked matchmaking games or when playing Custom Games on Blizzard melee maps.
As players earn XP they will progress in level, with a maximum level of 20 for each race.
Decals and portraits are rewarded through the leveling system.
More detailed information on the leveling system can be found here.
Physics effects on the battlefield have been greatly enhanced.
Death animations have been updated for many units.
Ragdoll physics now cause units to get blasted away from explosions more naturally.
After being killed, units can now fall off cliff edges, into caverns, etc.
Physics effects have been polished on many existing units.
Performance has been improved.
Physics-triggered sounds have been added.
Improved Score Screen and Added Stats
Experience Tab: Added a Score Screen tab that tracks XP gains and leveling progress.
Performance Tab: Now tracks gameplay performance stats such as Average Float and Combat Efficiency, and displays lifetime averages and values for the current match.
Added a “Play Again” button to the post-game Score Screen.
Race Report: Added a profile section that tracks performance by race for each matchup.
Map Report: Added a profile section that tracks performance on each ladder map.
Groups
Players who wish to associate casually and in larger numbers than Clans can now create and join Groups, with a designated chat channel, a News tab where stories can be posted, an Info tab where officers can post a brief description of the Group, and a Members roster. For more information on Groups, check out our first look at the feature.
Unranked Play
On the Multiplayer screen, players can now select Unranked Play to engage in matchmaking with the ranking system suspended.
Players Near Me
Recognizes other StarCraft II games running on the player’s network, making it easier to chat, play, and make friends with nearby players.
The StarCraft II Arcade is now available in the Heart of the Swarm Beta.
Leveling
The number of levels for each race has been increased from 20 to 30, for a total of 90 attainable levels per character.
The overall XP required to reach max-level has been increased.
All XP previously earned has been reset to zero. Thanks for your continuing feedback, and please keep it coming!
Exciting new replay features have been added to Heart of the Swarm.
Watch With Others - This feature allows you to watch replays in sync with other players on Battle.net
Take Command - This feature allows you or your group to take control of selected player armies while watching a replay.
Recover Game - This feature allows you to recover a prematurely ended game from a replay.
For more details about these new features, please see our overview on the StarCraft II Community Site.
Vs. AI Mode has been enabled. Players can now challenge an AI opponent that scales in difficulty.
Training Mode has been enabled. In Training Mode, you’ll work your way up from basic StarCraft gameplay skills to greater challenges designed to hone your skills.
USER INTERFACE
Custom Games
Many drop-down filters are now consolidated into side navigation.
Merged Join Game and Create Game screens into a single page.
Moved all party displays and controls into the Party Chat window.
Updated the Profile Summary screen to include progress UI for the new leveling system.
Updated loading screens with new background images, more clearly displayed player names, and the overhead map.
New Copy Link buttons have been added, which automatically copy certain pages in-game to the clipboard, allowing players to share them with others via clickable links in chat or on the web. When clicked, these links will navigate to the in-game page.
In-Game UI Polish
Moved the Main Menu and Help buttons above the command card.
Achievements and Message Log menus are now accessible via the Main Menu.
Added a Select Army Units button next to the Idle Worker button.
Unit Status bar settings have been added to the Gameplay Options screen.
Decal art has been updated to appear brighter and more visible.
New Victory/Loss sequences now play at the end of a game.
Show Unit Status Bars – Damaged: Show only status bars for units that are below max health or energy.
Team Colored Status Bars: Status bar border frames match each player’s team color.
Maps that appear in the Custom Games section now include all of the same Game Info pages as the maps available in the Arcade (Overview, How to Play, Patch Notes, Reviews).
New options added to aid newer players in the Options > Controls menu
Team Colored Life Bar
Always Show Worker Status
Simple Command Card
Show Current Order Indicator
Select All Larvae
Display Experience Points
Enable Enemy Unit Selection
The Help section has been revised and updated.
OBSERVER MODE
Leader Panel
Added Structure tab and Upgrades tab.
Observers can now click Leader Panel icons to center the game camera on a unit or structure.
Clicking multiple times cycles through units of the same type.
Minimap
Attacked units now flash white for the observer.
Nuclear Launch and Nydus Canals now create pings on the minimap for observers.
Versus Mode Side Toggle
Added a hotkey (Control-X) that flips the side on which players appear in various parts of the UI when watching a 1v1 Versus Mode game.
By default, the player with the leftmost start location will appear on the left in the user interface.
On February 17 2013 14:49 ZenithM wrote: Who's rank #3 on HotS ladder right now? He has the same clan tag as MaruPrime and KTFlash, and plays Terran. Another Prime player? Maru or MKP's smurf?
On February 17 2013 14:49 ZenithM wrote: Who's rank #3 on HotS ladder right now? He has the same clan tag as MaruPrime and KTFlash, and plays Terran. Another Prime player? Maru or MKP's smurf?
Hey man I just want SC2 to succeed as an esport and Alive is like the only player that I dislike because his lack of give a fuck really pissed me off at IPL 4.
On February 17 2013 14:49 ZenithM wrote: Who's rank #3 on HotS ladder right now? He has the same clan tag as MaruPrime and KTFlash, and plays Terran. Another Prime player? Maru or MKP's smurf?
Completely forgot about Byun for some reason :D Prime was weak in team league due to too many Terrans and not enough Zergs in their roster. Well, who's laughing now? :D
Hey man I just want SC2 to succeed as an esport and Alive is like the only player that I dislike because his lack of give a fuck really pissed me off at IPL 4.
haha fair enough then :p my apologies for the misunderstanding!
Hey man I just want SC2 to succeed as an esport and Alive is like the only player that I dislike because his lack of give a fuck really pissed me off at IPL 4.
You would rage seeing IM-First winning IEM Katowice, then
On February 17 2013 14:48 Orek wrote: First game I watched in HotS. Very interesting. Is there anywhere I can find changes in HotS? I couldn't care less how things have transitioned during beta. So, it would be nice if there is a list of changes "directly" from current WoL patch. I heard there have been something like 15 patches so far, but earlier patches must be irrelevant at this point.
Increases damage to armored units by 6 for 20 seconds, with a 1 minute cooldown. This does not scale with upgrades.
Activating the ability now causes a timer to display over the Void Ray for the duration of the effect.
Supply cost increased from 3 to 4.
TERRAN
Armory
The Armory now only has one armor upgrade for both air and ground upgrades for both Factory and Starport units.
Battlecruiser
Yamato Cannon energy cost decreased from 125 to 100.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Hellbat
Medivac
New ability: Ignite Afterburners
Speed boost that increases movement speed and acceleration to 4.25 for 8 seconds. 20 second cooldown.
Raven
Seeker Missile has been redesigned:
Energy cost decreased from 125 to 75.
Can now fire from 10 range.
Missile comes out and stays immobile in front of the Raven for 5 seconds while charging up, then rapidly moves and explodes at the target for 100 damage plus splash damage.
Targeted unit lights up red when targeted. If the unit moves 13 range out of where the Seeker Missile is, the Missile fizzles.
Reaper
New passive ability: Combat Drugs
Health regenerates 2hp/s if not attacked during the last 10 seconds (same as Protoss shields)
Health increased from 50 to 60.
Movement speed increased from 2.95 to 3.75.
No longer requires a Tech Lab Addon.
No longer have their anti-building grenades.
P-45 Gauss Pistol weapon damage decreased from 4 +5 vs. Light to 4.
Siege Tank
Siege Tanks no longer require an upgrade in order to enter Siege Mode.
Thor
250mm Strike Cannons has been removed, along with its associated energy bar.
The Thor can now switch between two modes: High-Impact Payload and Explosive Payload. The mode shift takes 4 seconds.
When in High-Impact Payload mode, the Thor switches to a different anti-air gun (250mm Punisher Cannons) that has 10 range and deals 24 flat damage.
Thor radius, inner radius, and separation radius increased from 0.8215 to 1.
Revamped overall UI layout, art, and graphic style.
More detailed information on these changes can be found here.
Clans Support Added
Clan tags are now pre-pended to character names of all players who join a clan.
More detailed information on Clan Support can be found here.
Leveling System
Players now earn XP when playing Ranked and Unranked matchmaking games or when playing Custom Games on Blizzard melee maps.
As players earn XP they will progress in level, with a maximum level of 20 for each race.
Decals and portraits are rewarded through the leveling system.
More detailed information on the leveling system can be found here.
Physics effects on the battlefield have been greatly enhanced.
Death animations have been updated for many units.
Ragdoll physics now cause units to get blasted away from explosions more naturally.
After being killed, units can now fall off cliff edges, into caverns, etc.
Physics effects have been polished on many existing units.
Performance has been improved.
Physics-triggered sounds have been added.
Improved Score Screen and Added Stats
Experience Tab: Added a Score Screen tab that tracks XP gains and leveling progress.
Performance Tab: Now tracks gameplay performance stats such as Average Float and Combat Efficiency, and displays lifetime averages and values for the current match.
Added a “Play Again” button to the post-game Score Screen.
Race Report: Added a profile section that tracks performance by race for each matchup.
Map Report: Added a profile section that tracks performance on each ladder map.
Groups
Players who wish to associate casually and in larger numbers than Clans can now create and join Groups, with a designated chat channel, a News tab where stories can be posted, an Info tab where officers can post a brief description of the Group, and a Members roster. For more information on Groups, check out our first look at the feature.
Unranked Play
On the Multiplayer screen, players can now select Unranked Play to engage in matchmaking with the ranking system suspended.
Players Near Me
Recognizes other StarCraft II games running on the player’s network, making it easier to chat, play, and make friends with nearby players.
The StarCraft II Arcade is now available in the Heart of the Swarm Beta.
Leveling
The number of levels for each race has been increased from 20 to 30, for a total of 90 attainable levels per character.
The overall XP required to reach max-level has been increased.
All XP previously earned has been reset to zero. Thanks for your continuing feedback, and please keep it coming!
Exciting new replay features have been added to Heart of the Swarm.
Watch With Others - This feature allows you to watch replays in sync with other players on Battle.net
Take Command - This feature allows you or your group to take control of selected player armies while watching a replay.
Recover Game - This feature allows you to recover a prematurely ended game from a replay.
For more details about these new features, please see our overview on the StarCraft II Community Site.
Vs. AI Mode has been enabled. Players can now challenge an AI opponent that scales in difficulty.
Training Mode has been enabled. In Training Mode, you’ll work your way up from basic StarCraft gameplay skills to greater challenges designed to hone your skills.
USER INTERFACE
Custom Games
Many drop-down filters are now consolidated into side navigation.
Merged Join Game and Create Game screens into a single page.
Moved all party displays and controls into the Party Chat window.
Updated the Profile Summary screen to include progress UI for the new leveling system.
Updated loading screens with new background images, more clearly displayed player names, and the overhead map.
New Copy Link buttons have been added, which automatically copy certain pages in-game to the clipboard, allowing players to share them with others via clickable links in chat or on the web. When clicked, these links will navigate to the in-game page.
In-Game UI Polish
Moved the Main Menu and Help buttons above the command card.
Achievements and Message Log menus are now accessible via the Main Menu.
Added a Select Army Units button next to the Idle Worker button.
Unit Status bar settings have been added to the Gameplay Options screen.
Decal art has been updated to appear brighter and more visible.
New Victory/Loss sequences now play at the end of a game.
Show Unit Status Bars – Damaged: Show only status bars for units that are below max health or energy.
Team Colored Status Bars: Status bar border frames match each player’s team color.
Maps that appear in the Custom Games section now include all of the same Game Info pages as the maps available in the Arcade (Overview, How to Play, Patch Notes, Reviews).
New options added to aid newer players in the Options > Controls menu
Team Colored Life Bar
Always Show Worker Status
Simple Command Card
Show Current Order Indicator
Select All Larvae
Display Experience Points
Enable Enemy Unit Selection
The Help section has been revised and updated.
OBSERVER MODE
Leader Panel
Added Structure tab and Upgrades tab.
Observers can now click Leader Panel icons to center the game camera on a unit or structure.
Clicking multiple times cycles through units of the same type.
Minimap
Attacked units now flash white for the observer.
Nuclear Launch and Nydus Canals now create pings on the minimap for observers.
Versus Mode Side Toggle
Added a hotkey (Control-X) that flips the side on which players appear in various parts of the UI when watching a 1v1 Versus Mode game.
By default, the player with the leftmost start location will appear on the left in the user interface.
Hey man I just want SC2 to succeed as an esport and Alive is like the only player that I dislike because his lack of give a fuck really pissed me off at IPL 4.
You would rage seeing IM-First winning IEM Katowice, then
I kinda did but atleast he smiled (I think) once. I just dont understand how you can dedicate your life to a game and when you finally win something and the crowd is going nuts you look like your cat just died. Even Mvp who has won pretty much everything gets excited when he wins.
MarineKing opens CC-first but Choya delays it and kills 2 SCVs with his probe scout. Choya opens with gateway-cycore-nexus, getting a mothership core. MKP follows up with a third inbase CC. Choya goes up to six gateways and moves out. Choya's attack is a bit too much and MKP has some MKP GG timing.
There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
You would have hated watching fantasy vs bisu in bw then lol.
On February 17 2013 15:00 nmetasch wrote: Total dick move by choya there..
I didn't see what he did (was reading the thread) but whatever it was, is completely justified by MKP's gg timing. Even if Choya flipped off MKP's mom, it's fine in my book.
Poor play by MKP. Especially when you're playing Choya, you need to put in a lot of effort to figure out what he's planning. Sending out one scv in the beginning and going for 3CC with one exposed bunker is just....
On February 17 2013 15:00 nmetasch wrote: Total dick move by choya there..
I didn't see what he did (was reading the thread) but whatever it was, is completely justified by MKP's gg timing. Even if Choya flipped off MKP's mom, it's fine in my book.
Lol MKP encourages BM by staying in games as long as he does. If he gg'd at appropriate times there wouldn't be an opportunity for his opponent to BM him
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Players do it to think the game over after a loss, what they did wrong and whatnot. Also to bother their opponent.
There isn't "0 reason" and to get annoyed at something like that is pretty ridiculous.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Players do it to think the game over after a loss, what they did wrong and whatnot. Also to bother their opponent.
There isn't "0 reason" and to get annoyed at something like that is pretty ridiculous.
If a guy did that to me in a team league, it would make me feel happy because killing buildings is fun and then I would be amped up for the next game.
I'm annoyed because the game ended 5 minutes before MKP gg'd and he does this all the damn time. If that was my first tiem watching MKP, youre right its not a big deal.
On February 17 2013 15:02 Sein wrote: Poor play by MKP. Especially when you're playing Choya, you need to put in a lot of effort to figure out what he's planning. Sending out one scv in the beginning and going for 3CC with one exposed bunker is just....
Effort? Not at all. Choya always all-ins or plays very aggressive. Just build 2-3 bunkers and you´re safe.
its almost insulting to the other player that he thinks he can win with 9 supply by rebuilding everything at his natural while 60 army supply ravages his main
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Players do it to think the game over after a loss, what they did wrong and whatnot. Also to bother their opponent.
There isn't "0 reason" and to get annoyed at something like that is pretty ridiculous.
Actually, if you have 4 workers, no structures, and no army, there is truly "0 reason".
On February 17 2013 15:03 stuchiu wrote: I have a theme song written for the Hellbats. Too bad I haven't really seen them built in mass numbers yet for it to be relevant.
Blizzard better patch them out fast. Worst unit of HotS IMHO. Seems too strong, to easy to mass.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Players do it to think the game over after a loss, what they did wrong and whatnot. Also to bother their opponent.
There isn't "0 reason" and to get annoyed at something like that is pretty ridiculous.
Actually, if you have 4 workers, no structures, and no army, there is truly "0 reason".
On February 17 2013 15:03 dynwar7 wrote: Stupid TimeWarp....its so similar to Fungal in that it restricts movement...this one only slows but it is so slow almost the same as not moving.....
Another spell that negates micro. If Blizz really wants to have this kind of spell then give Terrans one as well ffs.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Players do it to think the game over after a loss, what they did wrong and whatnot. Also to bother their opponent.
There isn't "0 reason" and to get annoyed at something like that is pretty ridiculous.
Actually, if you have 4 workers, no structures, and no army, there is truly "0 reason".
I just stated two reasons.
1. Think the game over 2. Bother your opponent
Marineking should create an account named SKT.Fantasy on ladder.
On February 17 2013 15:03 stuchiu wrote: I have a theme song written for the Hellbats. Too bad I haven't really seen them built in mass numbers yet for it to be relevant.
Blizzard better patch them out fast. Worst unit of HotS IMHO. Seems too strong, to easy to mass.
Tbh, it would have been a fine unit if it was an actual new unit and not a form of the hellion. At least it would be less mobile. Just imagine when pro gamers actually will transform them all the time, a nightmare will occur.
On February 17 2013 15:05 jalstar wrote: I don't think MKP is any more greedy or risky than Taeja or Flash, he just gets a lot more mad when it doesn't work and he refuses to leave games.
But it's silly to bash MKP for not playing safe, I've never seen a player who plays safe and standard every game win a tournament.
" he just gets a lot more mad when it doesn't work and he refuses to leave games."
oh my god, it makes sense, that's why r/starcraft loves him
On February 17 2013 15:03 dynwar7 wrote: Stupid TimeWarp....its so similar to Fungal in that it restricts movement...this one only slows but it is so slow almost the same as not moving.....
Another spell that negates micro. If Blizz really wants to have this kind of spell then give Terrans one as well ffs.
Better a slow than a stop though
Its like 5 times the size and longer though lol, and the slow is so much that it may as well be an immobilize.
On February 17 2013 15:03 stuchiu wrote: I have a theme song written for the Hellbats. Too bad I haven't really seen them built in mass numbers yet for it to be relevant.
Blizzard better patch them out fast. Worst unit of HotS IMHO. Seems too strong, to easy to mass.
Lol no
At least Blizzard is trying to balance the Hellbat out unlike the Warhound. They barely did anything with it and just removed it. Warhound suffered the same fate the Carrier did except for the fact that the Warhound isn't coming back.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Players do it to think the game over after a loss, what they did wrong and whatnot. Also to bother their opponent.
There isn't "0 reason" and to get annoyed at something like that is pretty ridiculous.
Actually, if you have 4 workers, no structures, and no army, there is truly "0 reason".
I just stated two reasons.
1. Think the game over 2. Bother your opponent
Neither of those reasons are tournament valid. #2 is against rules, #1 is why you have time between games.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Agreed. The never give up attitude makes for a pretty bad viewing experience.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Players do it to think the game over after a loss, what they did wrong and whatnot. Also to bother their opponent.
There isn't "0 reason" and to get annoyed at something like that is pretty ridiculous.
Actually, if you have 4 workers, no structures, and no army, there is truly "0 reason".
I just stated two reasons.
1. Think the game over 2. Bother your opponent
Think the game over when you leave the game and are sitting on the bench doing nothing. how does letting choya have fun kill buildings bother him?
On February 17 2013 15:03 dynwar7 wrote: Stupid TimeWarp....its so similar to Fungal in that it restricts movement...this one only slows but it is so slow almost the same as not moving.....
Another spell that negates micro. If Blizz really wants to have this kind of spell then give Terrans one as well ffs.
I think it looks okay for now. It's not a spammable ability and it doesn't completely stop movements, so you can't really chain it either. I know you're not talking specifically about this game, but mkp would've lost even without time warp anyway.
On February 17 2013 15:05 jalstar wrote: I don't think MKP is any more greedy or risky than Taeja or Flash, he just gets a lot more mad when it doesn't work and he refuses to leave games.
But it's silly to bash MKP for not playing safe, I've never seen a player who plays safe and standard every game win a tournament.
I have to disagree with you here. Flash and TaeJa will play greedy, but they at least attempt to scout. MKP frequently doesn't, and then super late gg's (whether out of frustration or overconfidence, I do not know). I would argue TaeJa actually gg's too fast much too frequently for my liking.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Players do it to think the game over after a loss, what they did wrong and whatnot. Also to bother their opponent.
There isn't "0 reason" and to get annoyed at something like that is pretty ridiculous.
Actually, if you have 4 workers, no structures, and no army, there is truly "0 reason".
So, I just read all changes in HotS for the first time, but does "Time Warp" affect your own units? It only says "all ground units." Does it include your own or your teammates' ground units if in team games? Or just opponent's?
On February 17 2013 15:03 dynwar7 wrote: Stupid TimeWarp....its so similar to Fungal in that it restricts movement...this one only slows but it is so slow almost the same as not moving.....
Another spell that negates micro. If Blizz really wants to have this kind of spell then give Terrans one as well ffs.
Better a slow than a stop though
Its like 5 times the size and longer though lol, and the slow is so much that it may as well be an immobilize.
Yes, with forcefields early on, it sure feels like too much. Later in the game with ghosts etc. it is probably not such a big issue.
On February 17 2013 15:05 jalstar wrote: I don't think MKP is any more greedy or risky than Taeja or Flash, he just gets a lot more mad when it doesn't work and he refuses to leave games.
But it's silly to bash MKP for not playing safe, I've never seen a player who plays safe and standard every game win a tournament.
That´s why in GSL you need to prepare for your opponents. It´s like in boxing. If you know the strengths/weaknesses, you need to use them against your opponent. Choya has always played very aggressive and MKP should know that, Choya and MKP have a long history together.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Players do it to think the game over after a loss, what they did wrong and whatnot. Also to bother their opponent.
There isn't "0 reason" and to get annoyed at something like that is pretty ridiculous.
Actually, if you have 4 workers, no structures, and no army, there is truly "0 reason".
I just stated two reasons.
1. Think the game over 2. Bother your opponent
Neither of those reasons are tournament valid. #2 is against rules, #1 is why you have time between games.
" #2 is against rules,"
can you tell me where you read this
If I was playing, I would stay in as long as possible to find a way to piss off the other player.
What im doing isn't illegal (even though for some reason you think it is), and if it would give my team an edge, why not?
On February 17 2013 15:03 dynwar7 wrote: Stupid TimeWarp....its so similar to Fungal in that it restricts movement...this one only slows but it is so slow almost the same as not moving.....
Another spell that negates micro. If Blizz really wants to have this kind of spell then give Terrans one as well ffs.
Better a slow than a stop though
Yes but the size is so big and it lasts for what, 30 seconds?
I am speechless. Keep giving Z and P spells like this that cancels micro. At least give terran one to even it up.....
It does not matter if you have crazy micro like MKP. Time warp will negate that. Blizzard And I am sure people want to see good micro, it is entertaining to watch, but how can they with time warp?
On February 17 2013 15:03 dynwar7 wrote: Stupid TimeWarp....its so similar to Fungal in that it restricts movement...this one only slows but it is so slow almost the same as not moving.....
Another spell that negates micro. If Blizz really wants to have this kind of spell then give Terrans one as well ffs.
Better a slow than a stop though
But only one unit casts it- you cant have 10 mothership cores. Plus there is a big difference in how you can use this- it is a great spell which can be used very effectively or terribly depending on how good your micro is. It gives a lot of oppurtunities for defense and punishes you for engaging incorrectly
On February 17 2013 15:03 dynwar7 wrote: Stupid TimeWarp....its so similar to Fungal in that it restricts movement...this one only slows but it is so slow almost the same as not moving.....
Another spell that negates micro. If Blizz really wants to have this kind of spell then give Terrans one as well ffs.
I think it looks okay for now. It's not a spammable ability and it doesn't completely stop movements, so you can't really chain it either. I know you're not talking specifically about this game, but mkp would've lost even without time warp anyway.
On February 17 2013 15:05 jalstar wrote: I don't think MKP is any more greedy or risky than Taeja or Flash, he just gets a lot more mad when it doesn't work and he refuses to leave games.
But it's silly to bash MKP for not playing safe, I've never seen a player who plays safe and standard every game win a tournament.
I have to disagree with you here. Flash and TaeJa will play greedy, but they at least attempt to scout. MKP frequently doesn't, and then super late gg's (whether out of frustration or overconfidence, I do not know). I would argue TaeJa actually gg's too fast much too frequently for my liking.
I just think that "punishing greed" is an overused meme and Koreans/high tier foreigners mostly play a balanced range of builds the way a poker player would balance a range of bluffs and strong hands.
That said, it's still an RTS and not poker and you're right about MKP's scouting.
Choya starts by cannon-rushing TerrOr's natural hatchery, forcing a cancel. TerrOr stays on one base and goes for nydus tech, but it's immediately scouted by Choya. After a few failed attempts, TerrOr has to GG out.
On February 17 2013 15:05 jalstar wrote: I don't think MKP is any more greedy or risky than Taeja or Flash, he just gets a lot more mad when it doesn't work and he refuses to leave games.
But it's silly to bash MKP for not playing safe, I've never seen a player who plays safe and standard every game win a tournament.
I have to disagree with you here. Flash and TaeJa will play greedy, but they at least attempt to scout. MKP frequently doesn't, and then super late gg's (whether out of frustration or overconfidence, I do not know). I would argue TaeJa actually gg's too fast much too frequently for my liking.
I just think that "punishing greed" is an overused meme and Koreans/high tier foreigners mostly play a balanced range of builds the way a poker player would balance a range of bluffs and strong hands.
That said, it's still an RTS and not poker and you're right about MKP's scouting.
I tend to agree, but I think it does apply in this case. To speak generally, MKP bluffs A LOT and when people call his bluffs, he gets burned often.
On February 17 2013 15:07 Orek wrote: So, I just read all changes in HotS for the first time, but does "Time Warp" affect your own units? It only says "all ground units." Does it include your own or your teammates' ground units if in team games? Or just opponent's?
It doesn't affect your own units. I'm not sure about teammates, but I imagine it wouldn't affair those either. As far as I know it only affects the ground units of enemies.
On February 17 2013 15:03 sertman wrote: mkp needs to learn to leave games
its almost insulting to the other player that he thinks he can win with 9 supply by rebuilding everything at his natural while 60 army supply ravages his main
That's the point, that's the reason he does it - staying in the game is his way of BMing the other player, it's an ego thing... even if the other player is dancing in his face, he's just ignoring them and carrying on regardless, giving them no respect
On February 17 2013 15:03 sertman wrote: mkp needs to learn to leave games
its almost insulting to the other player that he thinks he can win with 9 supply by rebuilding everything at his natural while 60 army supply ravages his main
That's the point, that's the reason he does it - staying in the game is his way of BMing the other player, it's an ego thing... even if the other player is dancing in his face, he's just ignoring them and carrying on regardless, giving them no respect
Yeah I really doubt this given the look of pain on MKP's face after every loss.
On February 17 2013 15:07 Orek wrote: So, I just read all changes in HotS for the first time, but does "Time Warp" affect your own units? It only says "all ground units." Does it include your own or your teammates' ground units if in team games? Or just opponent's?
It doesn't affect your own units. I'm not sure about teammates, but I imagine it wouldn't affair those either. As far as I know it only affects the ground units of enemies.
Thank you again. You rock. Man, there are so many things I have to learn.I'm back to a noob who knows nothing about the game T_T
Choya opens up with a proxy gateway in the middle of the map, while Maru goes for barracks and gas. Choya moves in with two zealots and the probe, and Maru holds well with the SCV pull. Choya follows up with oracles and Maru goes for widow mine drops, but Choya's phoenix minimises the damage. Maru gets double CC while Choya expands at home.
Suddenly a widow mine drop in Choya's main makes him GG out.
On February 17 2013 15:33 Havik_ wrote: So he misses one WM drop and the game is over? Lmao. What made them want to add such huge aoe to the damn thing.
On February 17 2013 15:32 nomyx wrote: Wow, look away for one second and you lose all your workers. I'll be waiting until HOTS is balanced before I buy it
I hope you didn't buy WoL because its very similar to templar drops. In fact, high templar drops deal damage even faster because they don't need to burrow.
On February 17 2013 15:32 nomyx wrote: Wow, look away for one second and you lose all your workers. I'll be waiting until HOTS is balanced before I buy it
I hope you didn't buy WoL because its very similar to templar drops. In fact, high templar drops deal damage even faster because they don't need to burrow.
Storm also didn't have a 40 second cooldown.
IMO, if you lose a dozen workers because you didn't notice a medivac flying into your base and don't have AA, it's your own damn fault.
On February 17 2013 15:32 nomyx wrote: Wow, look away for one second and you lose all your workers. I'll be waiting until HOTS is balanced before I buy it
I hope you didn't buy WoL because its very similar to templar drops. In fact, high templar drops deal damage even faster because they don't need to burrow.
Storm also didn't have a 40 second cooldown.
And templars don't cost 75/25 and come out of a reactored factory.
On February 17 2013 15:32 nomyx wrote: Wow, look away for one second and you lose all your workers. I'll be waiting until HOTS is balanced before I buy it
I hope you didn't buy WoL because its very similar to templar drops. In fact, high templar drops deal damage even faster because they don't need to burrow.
Storm also didn't have a 40 second cooldown.
And templars don't cost 75/25 and come out of a reactored factory.
Bingo......
And proxy Reaper. Oh wow. The Blizzard balance team will have to work overtime for the next 6 months to fix this all of this. :p
On February 17 2013 15:32 nomyx wrote: Wow, look away for one second and you lose all your workers. I'll be waiting until HOTS is balanced before I buy it
I hope you didn't buy WoL because its very similar to templar drops. In fact, high templar drops deal damage even faster because they don't need to burrow.
Storm also didn't have a 40 second cooldown.
And templars don't cost 75/25 and come out of a reactored factory.
Nah man you can totally get high templar to the other persons base with enough energy and storm researched in a similar time.
On February 17 2013 15:32 nomyx wrote: Wow, look away for one second and you lose all your workers. I'll be waiting until HOTS is balanced before I buy it
Reavers man, Reavers killed workers just as insanely. And you deserve to be punished for a failed proxy gate , having one base, and still not be able to watch the mini-map for drops when you know your opponent has widow mines. Its not hard to pull your probes away really fast as soon as you see the medivac.
On February 17 2013 15:32 nomyx wrote: Wow, look away for one second and you lose all your workers. I'll be waiting until HOTS is balanced before I buy it
Reavers man, Reavers killed workers just as insanely. And you deserve to be punished for a failed proxy gate , having one base, and still not be able to watch the mini-map for drops when you know your opponent has widow mines. Its not hard to pull your probes away really fast as soon as you see the medivac.
Reavers and High Templar and expensive and need a significant tech investment in order to reach them. Widow Mines aren't anything like that.
I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
Maru opens with a proxy barracks at 8 and early gas (reaper rush) against JKS' hatch first. JKS does scout the barracks, but Maru bunkers between JKS' main and in-base natural. Some pretty solid reaper micro takes out a ridiculous amount of drones. Eventually JKS drives Maru off and JKS counterattacks with his zerglings and manages to take out quite a few SCVs.
Maru does expand at home and tech up, while continuing to pressure a bit with the reapers. Maru finally stops the zergling runbys with hellions. The game stabilises as JKS kills off Maru's reapers. JKS goes for a roach-bane allin and he takes the game!
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do any damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
You can target with the Widow Mine (select it, right click a unit you want it to attack, in range, before it attacks). It only works if the unit is in range when you click on a unit though (before it attacks).
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
No I´m not. A good zerg can hold that easy. Don´t blame the race. Blame your skill.
Queens can easily defend that, as can mass zerglings if you build a pool early. So what exactly is your argument here?
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only a total of 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
Proxy reaper is super strong now. No tech lab combined with their mobility and healing makes them a major annoyance for even queens to deal with on maps like CK.
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
maybe they aren't playing for a reason but I think the MLG results may affect people's opinion as well oh and the GM ladder.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
No I´m not. A good zerg can hold that easy. Don´t blame the race. Blame your skill.
The only reason that was ever remotely close was terran didnt build any depots to wall off. Had he built some depots zerg would be down 9 workers and god knows how much larva.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
One queen at each hatch.... Why would you need to chase the reaper, all you need to do is make sure workers dont die which is not hard. Its really not that difficult.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only a total of 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
Theres a fairly strong reason that theres been 2 zergs so far, and the only reason terran lost was not making buildings lol.
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
maybe they aren't playing for a reason but I think the MLG results may affect people's opinion as well oh and the GM ladder.
The MLG Results? Zerg is 3-4 right now. That's nothing to fret about
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only a total of 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only a total of 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
It was like this for a year and a half after WoL came out. Unless the mods want to start instabanning, don't expect it to go away.
The first few GSL HotS games and we already have entire pages of people extensively knowing what can be dealt with and what can't by what races. How about giving it a few minutes and seeing things develop?
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
Are you? have you seen how much faster a reaper can move then a queen? 5 range doesnt mean nothing can attack in a zergs base lol.
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
maybe they aren't playing for a reason but I think the MLG results may affect people's opinion as well oh and the GM ladder.
The MLG Results? Zerg is 3-4 right now. That's nothing to fret about
SS, you don't understand: if Zerg isn't winning at least 72% of their games in all matchups, including mirrors, the game is imbalanced.
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
maybe they aren't playing for a reason but I think the MLG results may affect people's opinion as well oh and the GM ladder.
The MLG Results? Zerg is 3-4 right now. That's nothing to fret about
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only a total of 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
It was like this for a year and a half after WoL came out. Unless the mods want to start instabanning, don't expect it to go away.
They should imo. The amount of stupid balance whine responses is annoying and distracts from the LR thread.
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
maybe they aren't playing for a reason but I think the MLG results may affect people's opinion as well oh and the GM ladder.
The MLG Results? Zerg is 3-4 right now. That's nothing to fret about
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only a total of 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
It was like this for a year and a half after WoL came out. Unless the mods want to start instabanning, don't expect it to go away.
Let line past 6 months straight has been you terrans and tosses QQ ing about balance no matter what.
In general I wish people would stop balance whining in lr threads at least but it won't ever stop
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
Are you? have you seen how much faster a reaper can move then a queen? 5 range doesnt mean nothing can attack in a zergs base lol.
the biggest threat of reaper isn't just killing workers, they come early, delay mining time, stop creep spread, hard to grab a third, force lings/roaches/spine.
On February 17 2013 15:43 woody60707 wrote: Why doesn't one ling set off both mines?
"smartfire"
When did Projectile weapons get smart fire?
That's why I put it in inverted commas. It behaves the same way, but unique to widow mines. I assume the game must just consider them "dead" for targeting purposes once the mine's locked onto it but before the projectile hits.
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
maybe they aren't playing for a reason but I think the MLG results may affect people's opinion as well oh and the GM ladder.
The MLG Results? Zerg is 3-4 right now. That's nothing to fret about
SS, you don't understand: if Zerg isn't winning at least 72% of their games in all matchups, including mirrors, the game is imbalanced.
On February 17 2013 15:48 TommyP wrote: I know FXO won, but I'm curious as to why JKS over Leenock for that game.
probably preseason + JKS playing 100% HoTS
JKS is probably the best on the team at hots atm since hes been 100% hots since beta started, but he doesn't have the booth experience to anchor in a team league match.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
i dont think you have actually played hots
Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
I'd sugest you try to play Z vs that, you will find it most unpleasant. There is a reason why EVERY zerg has huge problems vs just that. The only reason why Z even had a small chance with an extream counter allin was because T didn't have a single unit home and lost 9 freaking SCVs. Take your Terran bias to bed.
On February 17 2013 15:46 SniXSniPe wrote: The amount of QQ in this thread is ridiculous. Already tasting Zerg tears, when only 2 Zergs have been played in both GSTL matches so far (with the second one still in with a win).
maybe they aren't playing for a reason but I think the MLG results may affect people's opinion as well oh and the GM ladder.
The MLG Results? Zerg is 3-4 right now. That's nothing to fret about
SS, you don't understand: if Zerg isn't winning at least 72% of their games in all matchups, including mirrors, the game is imbalanced.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
i dont think you have actually played hots
Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
I'd sugest you try to play Z vs that, you will find it most unpleasant. There is a reason why EVERY zerg has huge problems vs just that. The only reason why Z even had a small chance with an extream counter allin was because T didn't have a single unit home and lost 9 freaking SCVs. Take your Terran bias to bed.
what could terran have at home if he wants to keep up a reaper harass? wtf i reading here
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
i dont think you have actually played hots
Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner.
Id say that having 0 units at home to defend with no wall off would be a pretty lucky thing to see yeh.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
No I´m not. A good zerg can hold that easy. Don´t blame the race. Blame your skill.
The only reason that was ever remotely close was terran didnt build any depots to wall off. Had he built some depots zerg would be down 9 workers and god knows how much larva.
um the zerg played incredibly greedy vs a rush what do you expect? for the zerg to be able to be as greedy as possible not have a spawning pool done when the reaper arrives and still be able to win if the terran doesn't make a mistake?
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
I'd sugest you try to play Z vs that, you will find it most unpleasant. There is a reason why EVERY zerg has huge problems vs just that. The only reason why Z even had a small chance with an extream counter allin was because T didn't have a single unit home and lost 9 freaking SCVs. Take your Terran bias to bed.
what could terran have at home if he wants to keep up a reaper harass? wtf i reading here
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
No I´m not. A good zerg can hold that easy. Don´t blame the race. Blame your skill.
The only reason that was ever remotely close was terran didnt build any depots to wall off. Had he built some depots zerg would be down 9 workers and god knows how much larva.
um the zerg played incredibly greedy vs a rush what do you expect? for the zerg to be able to be as greedy as possible not have a spawning pool done when the reaper arrives and still be able to win if the terran doesn't make a mistake?
I dont think that was greedy actually everybody goes 15 hatch ZvT (I didnt see how many drones he made, if any, after his hatch though)
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
I'd sugest you try to play Z vs that, you will find it most unpleasant. There is a reason why EVERY zerg has huge problems vs just that. The only reason why Z even had a small chance with an extream counter allin was because T didn't have a single unit home and lost 9 freaking SCVs. Take your Terran bias to bed.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
I'd sugest you try to play Z vs that, you will find it most unpleasant. There is a reason why EVERY zerg has huge problems vs just that. The only reason why Z even had a small chance with an extream counter allin was because T didn't have a single unit home and lost 9 freaking SCVs. Take your Terran bias to bed.
Hey I've noticed that you posted quite a few times since the start of this team battle. I was able to link all of your posts together because they all sucked and said exactly the same thing.
Well, we heard you the first time. Please stop posting?
On February 17 2013 15:43 woody60707 wrote: Why doesn't one ling set off both mines?
"smartfire"
When did Projectile weapons get smart fire?
Widow Mine intentionally has smart fire attached to it.
It's an auto cast ability with a Validator "No Markers" (which means it can't be targeted by the same unit at the same time I think) The market is set when the Widow Mine attacks (it's under the "WidowMineAttack" "set" effect, and the marker is set in its "Target" tab, and it's linked with WidowMineAttack, so two or more can't be used on the same target at the same time).
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
i dont think you have actually played hots
Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner.
Id say that having 0 units at home to defend with no wall off would be a pretty lucky thing to see yeh.
You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle.
Relax guys, it's beta. I don't care about balance even if XvY was 100% vs 0% for now. Can't believe people complain this hard during beta. The game doesn't even exist in a sense.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
I'd sugest you try to play Z vs that, you will find it most unpleasant. There is a reason why EVERY zerg has huge problems vs just that. The only reason why Z even had a small chance with an extream counter allin was because T didn't have a single unit home and lost 9 freaking SCVs. Take your Terran bias to bed.
what could terran have at home if he wants to keep up a reaper harass? wtf i reading here
A wall, or use logic, no lings @ Z base, herp di derp guess he made drones... no there is a handful of lings in your base...
i blame khalador, his commentary is very balance whiney /zerg biased . He doesnt know jack if anything is imbalanced as yet, but talks in definite terms . Which has mass'es blindly listening to his crap.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
i dont think you have actually played hots
Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner.
Id say that having 0 units at home to defend with no wall off would be a pretty lucky thing to see yeh.
You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle.
"So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression?
On February 17 2013 15:55 Orek wrote: Relax guys, it's beta. I don't care about balance even if XvY was 100% vs 0% for now. Can't believe people complain this hard during beta. The game doesn't even exist in a sense.
On February 17 2013 15:56 johnny123 wrote: i blame khalador, his commentary is very balance whiney /zerg biased . He doesnt know jack if anything is imbalanced as yet, but talks in definite terms . Which has mass'es blindly listening to his crap.
I dont think his casting has affected people's views. Many people have been saying zerg is a little weaker for a bit now.
On February 17 2013 15:55 Orek wrote: Relax guys, it's beta. I don't care about balance even if XvY was 100% vs 0% for now. Can't believe people complain this hard during beta. The game doesn't even exist in a sense.
Well it comes out in a little under a month, so I don't doubt Browder and Kim are paying very close attention to these games.
Personally, I'm pretty damn happy with HotS right now, and I hope Blizzard doesn't cave to community balance complaints.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
i dont think you have actually played hots
Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner.
Id say that having 0 units at home to defend with no wall off would be a pretty lucky thing to see yeh.
You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle.
"So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression?
Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude...
On February 17 2013 15:56 johnny123 wrote: i blame khalador, his commentary is very balance whiney /zerg biased . He doesnt know jack if anything is imbalanced as yet, but talks in definite terms . Which has mass'es blindly listening to his crap.
I dont think his casting has affected people's views. Many people have been saying zerg is a little weaker for a bit now.
Granted, people have been saying that zerg's underpowered since 2010.
On February 17 2013 15:56 johnny123 wrote: i blame khalador, his commentary is very balance whiney /zerg biased . He doesnt know jack if anything is imbalanced as yet, but talks in definite terms . Which has mass'es blindly listening to his crap.
I dont think his casting has affected people's views. Many people have been saying zerg is a little weaker for a bit now.
"Marcus Eklöf @EGThorZaIN GSL: @Khaldor and @ProxyWolf hyping this early reaper build so much. Don't think it would be strong on maps where you cant bunker like that"
On February 17 2013 15:56 johnny123 wrote: i blame khalador, his commentary is very balance whiney /zerg biased . He doesnt know jack if anything is imbalanced as yet, but talks in definite terms . Which has mass'es blindly listening to his crap.
I dont think his casting has affected people's views. Many people have been saying zerg is a little weaker for a bit now.
Granted, people have been saying that zerg's underpowered since 2010.
On February 17 2013 15:00 TommyP wrote: There is 0 reason to be in the game for that long. It pisses people off (especially me), you have no chance of winning with no structures, 4 workers, no army.
Players do it to think the game over after a loss, what they did wrong and whatnot. Also to bother their opponent.
There isn't "0 reason" and to get annoyed at something like that is pretty ridiculous.
Actually, if you have 4 workers, no structures, and no army, there is truly "0 reason".
I just stated two reasons.
1. Think the game over 2. Bother your opponent
Neither of those reasons are tournament valid. #2 is against rules, #1 is why you have time between games.
What? Why do you think bomber manner mules? Why do you think Seed did manner nexus in game 3 of a BO5? To get inside their opponents heads. Why do you think people dance their units? None of that is against the rules, and are completely tournament valid. Thinking over the game at the end is also one of the best things to do to plan your next build. Both of these are the exact reasons people stay in games later.
On February 17 2013 15:56 johnny123 wrote: i blame khalador, his commentary is very balance whiney /zerg biased . He doesnt know jack if anything is imbalanced as yet, but talks in definite terms . Which has mass'es blindly listening to his crap.
I dont think his casting has affected people's views. Many people have been saying zerg is a little weaker for a bit now.
Granted, people have been saying that zerg's underpowered since 2010.
On February 17 2013 15:42 bo1b wrote: [quote] You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
i dont think you have actually played hots
Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner.
Id say that having 0 units at home to defend with no wall off would be a pretty lucky thing to see yeh.
You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle.
"So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression?
Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude...
Just ingore that idiot man, I stopped responding because He is probably a bronze leaguer who doesnt understand jack shit. If you cant defend reaper aggression then you deserve to lose
On February 17 2013 15:56 johnny123 wrote: i blame khalador, his commentary is very balance whiney /zerg biased . He doesnt know jack if anything is imbalanced as yet, but talks in definite terms . Which has mass'es blindly listening to his crap.
I dont think his casting has affected people's views. Many people have been saying zerg is a little weaker for a bit now.
Ofc people think zerg is a little weaker right now, its been imbalance as shit for the last 8 months of WoL. So anything looking more balanced from the other races side will make zerg look weaker
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
I'd sugest you try to play Z vs that, you will find it most unpleasant. There is a reason why EVERY zerg has huge problems vs just that. The only reason why Z even had a small chance with an extream counter allin was because T didn't have a single unit home and lost 9 freaking SCVs. Take your Terran bias to bed.
what could terran have at home if he wants to keep up a reaper harass? wtf i reading here
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
No I´m not. A good zerg can hold that easy. Don´t blame the race. Blame your skill.
The only reason that was ever remotely close was terran didnt build any depots to wall off. Had he built some depots zerg would be down 9 workers and god knows how much larva.
um the zerg played incredibly greedy vs a rush what do you expect? for the zerg to be able to be as greedy as possible not have a spawning pool done when the reaper arrives and still be able to win if the terran doesn't make a mistake?
I dont think that was greedy actually everybody goes 15 hatch ZvT (I didnt see how many drones he made, if any, after his hatch though)
doing 15 hatch in hots is already really greedy. it was done in wol because people knew the builds knew it was safe if hots says any thing it's that it isn't safe there for it's GREEDY.
On February 17 2013 15:45 mrRoflpwn wrote: [quote]
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
i dont think you have actually played hots
Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner.
Id say that having 0 units at home to defend with no wall off would be a pretty lucky thing to see yeh.
You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle.
"So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression?
Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude...
Just ingore that idiot man, I stopped responding because He is probably a bronze leaguer who doesnt understand jack shit. If you cant defend reaper aggression then you deserve to lose
ByuN opens with CC first while JKS goes for early speed off one base into a baneling nest. ByuN is a bit greedy with getting his tech up and has to GG out from the all-in.
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
?? Reapers barely do anay damage. It take FIVE shots to kill a worker . queens shut it down hard
How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
I'd sugest you try to play Z vs that, you will find it most unpleasant. There is a reason why EVERY zerg has huge problems vs just that. The only reason why Z even had a small chance with an extream counter allin was because T didn't have a single unit home and lost 9 freaking SCVs. Take your Terran bias to bed.
what could terran have at home if he wants to keep up a reaper harass? wtf i reading here
well a depot wall
On February 17 2013 15:53 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On February 17 2013 15:46 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2013 15:45 iSunrise wrote:
On February 17 2013 15:42 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2013 15:41 iSunrise wrote: I like the new reaper builds if I compare them to the old WoL reapers. It looks a lot more even now. A good zerg can easily hold that, while it adds an option to terran play. Let´s hope Blizzard doesn´t change anything too fast.
You must be joking.
No I´m not. A good zerg can hold that easy. Don´t blame the race. Blame your skill.
The only reason that was ever remotely close was terran didnt build any depots to wall off. Had he built some depots zerg would be down 9 workers and god knows how much larva.
um the zerg played incredibly greedy vs a rush what do you expect? for the zerg to be able to be as greedy as possible not have a spawning pool done when the reaper arrives and still be able to win if the terran doesn't make a mistake?
I dont think that was greedy actually everybody goes 15 hatch ZvT (I didnt see how many drones he made, if any, after his hatch though)
doing 15 hatch in hots is already really greedy. it was done in wol because people knew the builds knew it was safe if hots says any thing it's that it isn't safe there for it's GREEDY.
i understand you want to go for the win but it feels kind of lame doing a build like that. This tournament should be about practice, entertainment and letting the audience get used to the new stuff.
On February 17 2013 15:45 bo1b wrote: [quote] How fast do you think a queen moves? A reaper regens btw.
Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
i dont think you have actually played hots
Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner.
Id say that having 0 units at home to defend with no wall off would be a pretty lucky thing to see yeh.
You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle.
"So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression?
Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude...
Just ingore that idiot man, I stopped responding because He is probably a bronze leaguer who doesnt understand jack shit. If you cant defend reaper aggression then you deserve to lose
You have guaranteed not played hots lol.
Or I am just not bad. I've played over 150 games combined with terran and protoss and reapers are not that strong if you have 3 queens
im extremely fed up and frustrated with the current state of tvz in wol. now, the gstl preseason tournament is the first time ever i watch hots - and all the time, everyone talks about how hard tvz and terran's early game antics currently are for zergs in hots. and all i see tonight is terrans getting raped by zerg early game antics. sigh.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Fjodorov wrote: i understand you want to go for the win but it feels kind of lame doing a build like that. This tournament should be about practice, entertainment and letting the audience get used to the new stuff.
I semi-agree with you. That seemed like all-WoL, with the exception of the map. Not the most entertaining, but hey, they wanted to win. I'm sad that ByuN is so sad, though.
Terran goes for early gas againts greedy zerg, zerg holds. Zerg goes for early gas againts greedy terran, freewin. Zerg is definitely UP, Khaldor. Play more HotS please.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
A Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
You can't be serious? Didn't you see the games? Can't you put two and two together? JKS got dominated by Reapers first game, counterallins. 2nd game, 1base baneling bust vs super greedy Terran play. These types of comments without any fundation just makes me sad.
On February 17 2013 15:47 iSunrise wrote: [quote] Seriously, you don´t know anything about the game. Queens on creep spread at your base? Are you actually serious?
i dont think you have actually played hots
Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner.
Id say that having 0 units at home to defend with no wall off would be a pretty lucky thing to see yeh.
You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle.
"So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression?
Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude...
He lost 7 harvesters thats not defending lol.
He was ahead in bases and workers after that. He even killed Maru for investing so much money and time into that reapers build.
Yes, that is defending by definition.
He was ahead in workers because maru didn't wall off.
What does the wall off have to do with my argument that he defended the reapers. OMG
On February 17 2013 16:04 Fjodorov wrote: i understand you want to go for the win but it feels kind of lame doing a build like that. This tournament should be about practice, entertainment and letting the audience get used to the new stuff.
I believe that players should think only about their wins and nothing else. It's other people's job to make entertaining games.
On February 17 2013 16:05 Black Gun wrote: im extremely fed up and frustrated with the current state of tvz in wol. now, the gstl preseason tournament is the first time ever i watch hots - and all the time, everyone talks about how hard tvz and terran's early game antics currently are for zergs in hots. and all i see tonight is terrans getting raped by zerg early game antics. sigh.
That is 100% the fault of the Terran's for leaving themselves so vulnerable to stuff like this. Any solid build w/ scouting wouldn't have died to these zerg builds.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
A Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
You can't be serious? Didn't you see the games? Can't you put two and two together? JKS got dominated by Reapers first game, counterallins. 2nd game, 1base baneling bust vs super greedy Terran play. These types of comments without any fundation just makes me sad.
just like balance whining on a patch without enough games played to really say __X__ is actually imba.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
A Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
You can't be serious? Didn't you see the games? Can't you put two and two together? JKS got dominated by Reapers first game, counterallins. 2nd game, 1base baneling bust vs super greedy Terran play. These types of comments without any fundation just makes me sad.
So I'm guessing you've decided for a "no." on my offer involving you not talking anymore?
On February 17 2013 16:05 Black Gun wrote: im extremely fed up and frustrated with the current state of tvz in wol. now, the gstl preseason tournament is the first time ever i watch hots - and all the time, everyone talks about how hard tvz and terran's early game antics currently are for zergs in hots. and all i see tonight is terrans getting raped by zerg early game antics. sigh.
That is 100% the fault of the Terran's for leaving themselves so vulnerable to stuff like this. Any solid build w/ scouting wouldn't have died to these zerg builds.
Thank you, I am not alone. People just look at the results, not how the games are played out.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
Lol, this is a joke.
JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round.
ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs).
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
Lol, this is a joke.
JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round.
ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs).
Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted.
On February 17 2013 16:04 DrPandaPhD wrote: Look at all these people underestimating FXO once again. One day people will realize there is a reason they have won twice in a row.
This. After they won the first one, I stopped underestimating them. They really do care about team league and are arguably the best at it in this format.
Actually your all correct, letting slow zerglings run across your map twice without walling off to kill your harvester line is an example of good play, and a baneling bust is clearly a sign of zerg being strong.
Respect to JKS for taking games off of Maru and Byun!
Well, fairly enjoyable GSTL tonight. Funny how both nights ended on a WoL game!
And remember guys, this is still a tournament with monetary winnings. In the end, "win at all costs" is the name of the game. HotS stuff is icing on the cake. We have seen some really cool HotS stuff already both today and yesterday, and you have to accept that quite a few games will still look like WoL games, especially in the early scene. That's just how it's gonna go down for now.
On February 17 2013 16:04 DrPandaPhD wrote: Look at all these people underestimating FXO once again. One day people will realize there is a reason they have won twice in a row.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
Lol, this is a joke.
JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round.
ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs).
Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted.
I didn't see the opening but I'm assuming ByuN went 1 rax expand into 2 gas. That is not a "super greedy" build at all (unless he did 3x CC and I missed it?), that's about as standard as a 15 Hatch.
On February 17 2013 16:08 opterown wrote: I don't really mind too much that Prime lost but I was hoping for a bit more from the top 3 ranked players on ladder haha
After that MKP defeat and the great play from JKS I think that in a BO7 it was OK. Could have been even worse for Prime.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
Lol, this is a joke.
JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round.
ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs).
1. They were better in WoL, this is different 2. Maybe the prime guys should start scouting again? Stupidly greedy openings without scouting as they are used to in WoL but get punished for in HotS.
You look at the result, not on how the players played. The Prime terrans played awful and died to unscouted allins
On February 17 2013 16:04 DrPandaPhD wrote: Look at all these people underestimating FXO once again. One day people will realize there is a reason they have won twice in a row.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
Lol, this is a joke.
JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round.
ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs).
Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted.
I didn't see the opening but I'm assuming ByuN went 1 rax expand into 2 gas. That is not a "super greedy" build at all (unless he did 3x CC and I missed it?), that's about as standard as a 15 Hatch.
I didn't actually see it either hahaha I was just going by what people were saying here.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
Lol, this is a joke.
JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round.
ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs).
Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted.
I didn't see the opening but I'm assuming ByuN went 1 rax expand into 2 gas. That is not a "super greedy" build at all (unless he did 3x CC and I missed it?), that's about as standard as a 15 Hatch.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
Lol, this is a joke.
JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round.
ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs).
Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted.
I didn't see the opening but I'm assuming ByuN went 1 rax expand into 2 gas. That is not a "super greedy" build at all (unless he did 3x CC and I missed it?), that's about as standard as a 15 Hatch.
It's greedy as fuck if you find out your zerg opponent doesn't have an expo. And Byun did not scout that. Everything in relativity.
On February 17 2013 16:04 DrPandaPhD wrote: Look at all these people underestimating FXO once again. One day people will realize there is a reason they have won twice in a row.
This. After they won the first one, I stopped underestimating them. They really do care about team league and are arguably the best at it in this format.
Eventually people will learn that choya is the best coach (at least on esf)
On February 17 2013 16:13 Lunchador wrote: Respect to JKS for taking games off of Maru and Byun!
Well, fairly enjoyable GSTL tonight. Funny how both nights ended on a WoL game!
And remember guys, this is still a tournament with monetary winnings. In the end, "win at all costs" is the name of the game. HotS stuff is icing on the cake. We have seen some really cool HotS stuff already both today and yesterday, and you have to accept that quite a few games will still look like WoL games, especially in the early scene. That's just how it's gonna go down for now.
I loved it. I still have some issues with that hellbat unit, it just doesn´t seem to fit in the game, but otherwise I love the new Protoss abilities/units. Also, we haven´t even seen any zerg going late in GSTL, yet. We have barely seen anything in this GSTL. I like it a lot more than WoL beta/Open Season. WoL Open Season was just disgusting to watch at times.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
Lol, this is a joke.
JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round.
ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs).
Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted.
I didn't see the opening but I'm assuming ByuN went 1 rax expand into 2 gas. That is not a "super greedy" build at all (unless he did 3x CC and I missed it?), that's about as standard as a 15 Hatch.
standard in wol is still greedy in hots pros really should know this.
On February 17 2013 15:55 iSunrise wrote: [quote] You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle.
"So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression?
Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude...
He lost 7 harvesters thats not defending lol.
He was ahead in bases and workers after that. He even killed Maru for investing so much money and time into that reapers build.
Yes, that is defending by definition.
He was ahead in workers because maru didn't wall off.
What does the wall off have to do with my argument that he defended the reapers. OMG
Dude, chill.
Your evidence for that claim is that he had more workers? If he didn't suicide 9 workers by not building some depots that wouldn't happen?
Jesus I play terran and its retarded how strong reapers/widowmines/hellbats are against zerg.
No, my evidence is that the new reapers add to the game and can be defended, as shown by JKS. And I like it more than in WoL.
How was it shown by jks? You still haven't explained yet.
He defended the reapers. BTW, why did you cut out the beginning conversation? OK, I´m done.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
they've done a lot more than JKS has
Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
they've done a lot more than JKS has
Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL.
prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p which counts for something, at least
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
they've done a lot more than JKS has
Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL.
prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p
Since when did ladder mean anything? >_> It can be an indicator of who's good (obviously, you have to be damn good to get to the top of Korea GM), but when you say "they've done a lot more than JKS has", the only thing that they've done "more" than JKS in HotS is get top ladder spots, and for all we know, Prime's practice regimen is a lot more ladder-heavy than FXO's, the latter of which may emphasize in-house games a lot more. In the end, JKS won in the booth, and since that's what we typically use to judge players instead of ladder rankings in WoL, I see no reason to change that standard in HotS.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
they've done a lot more than JKS has
Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL.
prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p
Since when did ladder mean anything? >_> It can be an indicator of who's good (obviously, you have to be damn good to get to the top of Korea GM), but when you say "they've done a lot more than JKS has", the only thing that they've done "more" than JKS in HotS is get top ladder spots, and for all we know, Prime's practice regimen is a lot more ladder-heavy than FXO's, the latter of which may emphasize in-house games a lot more.
People have been looking at the ladder more for these games because there really isn't anything else public to show for HoTS skill
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
they've done a lot more than JKS has
Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL.
prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p
Since when did ladder mean anything? >_> It can be an indicator of who's good (obviously, you have to be damn good to get to the top of Korea GM), but when you say "they've done a lot more than JKS has", the only thing that they've done "more" than JKS in HotS is get top ladder spots, and for all we know, Prime's practice regimen is a lot more ladder-heavy than FXO's, the latter of which may emphasize in-house games a lot more.
People have been looking at the ladder more for these games because there really isn't anything else public to show for HoTS skill
Yeah, that makes sense, but now we've just seen a public tournament setting in which JKS beat Maru and Byun.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
they've done a lot more than JKS has
Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL.
prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p
Since when did ladder mean anything? >_> It can be an indicator of who's good (obviously, you have to be damn good to get to the top of Korea GM), but when you say "they've done a lot more than JKS has", the only thing that they've done "more" than JKS in HotS is get top ladder spots, and for all we know, Prime's practice regimen is a lot more ladder-heavy than FXO's, the latter of which may emphasize in-house games a lot more.
People have been looking at the ladder more for these games because there really isn't anything else public to show for HoTS skill
Yeah, that makes sense, but now we've just seen a public tournament setting in which JKS beat Maru and Byun.
Yeah. I think it's just that the original comments can be interpreted in 2 ways, before the game and after the game. Before the game you would thin that Maru and ByuN were the more accomplished and some of the better HoTS Terrans because you only have the ladder to look at. If you look at the comments after the game we see that JKS has beaten both so in HoTS professional matches he is more accomplished. Oh well. Doesn't really matter now because the games are over.
On February 17 2013 15:58 iSunrise wrote: [quote] Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude...
He lost 7 harvesters thats not defending lol.
He was ahead in bases and workers after that. He even killed Maru for investing so much money and time into that reapers build.
Yes, that is defending by definition.
He was ahead in workers because maru didn't wall off.
What does the wall off have to do with my argument that he defended the reapers. OMG
Dude, chill.
Your evidence for that claim is that he had more workers? If he didn't suicide 9 workers by not building some depots that wouldn't happen?
Jesus I play terran and its retarded how strong reapers/widowmines/hellbats are against zerg.
No, my evidence is that the new reapers add to the game and can be defended, as shown by JKS. And I like it more than in WoL.
How was it shown by jks? You still haven't explained yet.
He defended the reapers.
Losing 7 workers and having to dramatically over make zerglings isn't defending lol.
so you're complaining you would have to lose 7 workers and make zerglings when the player went for an early hatch (greedy) and later pool (even more greedy) .... against a build that CUT lots of scvs by building the rax at 8 instead of 12?
Lol Choya winning games? Thankfully it's still the beta. Funny also that everyone is claiming zerg is shit vs T but they are still winning. I gotta try HotS someday to understand better.
On February 17 2013 19:41 Qikz wrote: No idea why Choya left when he did against Maru, he was still way in it.
there was a widow mine drop that the observer didn't show and i think his mineral line got wiped
Ah, it looked like he had a bunch of probes left, but I guess he lost too many.
EDIT: JKS. Woah!
Choya had no detection, except the one oracle that had no energy left, maybe even lost it. Not a good thing to have your only mineral line blocked and no way to get detection. Could have send in a hallucination every 40 seconds and pulling workers haha.
But already seeing that those greedy Terran openings don't work, that currently own every Zerg. Matches my ladder experience, though those Terrans are even more greedy, makes up for me being pretty bad.
But the LR thread is hilarious, so much people giving false information. It is just an expansion but it feels as bad as WoL release.
I don't know why people are complaining, it will probably take at least six months for the game to stabilize again, so of course these results are mostly meaningless.
On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote: "Zerg is the weakest race in hots." Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game.
To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game.
they've done a lot more than JKS has
Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL.
prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p
Since when did ladder mean anything? >_> It can be an indicator of who's good (obviously, you have to be damn good to get to the top of Korea GM), but when you say "they've done a lot more than JKS has", the only thing that they've done "more" than JKS in HotS is get top ladder spots, and for all we know, Prime's practice regimen is a lot more ladder-heavy than FXO's, the latter of which may emphasize in-house games a lot more.
People have been looking at the ladder more for these games because there really isn't anything else public to show for HoTS skill
Yeah, that makes sense, but now we've just seen a public tournament setting in which JKS beat Maru and Byun.
Beating someone with a 1 base baneling bust isn't an indicator of anything, besides the fact that someone didn't scout. It just means JKS flipped a coin and said, here's this build that hasn't worked since 2010, but maybe he just won't scout and do a greedy opening, and I'll get an easy win.
Especially now, since Terran has free siege mode ffs, to lose to a baneling bust is just inexcusable.
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