On February 07 2013 20:42 Rollora wrote: [quote] Well you are right. Life is the exception to the rule, and the niveau we will see, when the game is really figured out and only the best of the best still are around. It is funny how I reacted when i saw this life kid the first time: Wow, the first Zerg who actually microes his units and does harassement, he will sure win GSL soon. Well he won it back then
what's funny is that a bunch of people in LR threads where saying that the 1st Z god will be the one with decent macro and really good micro. Life happened and proved they were right :p
He wasn't the first Zerg God though. >.>
Well he's the first one to be on a whole other level than almost every other player.
Were you watching from january to april last year?
mkp was around then to stop DRG though haha
Didn't MKP win before january? Pretty sure drg was stomping mkp past that point.
no, early 2012 was mkp stomping ground
My mistake, I thought he won after April or before January lol.
No it was approximately at the same time and there was this series of MLG finals between them.
I know there was a series between them for some reason I just remember drg winning an MLG then a GSL. Probably should have consulted liquipedia
On February 07 2013 20:31 bo1b wrote: Honestly what depresses me the most is people making it out like bogus had 3x the apm of drg that game.
maybe you need to be a terran player to realize how freaking difficult it is to do what bogus was doing. microing your hellions everywhere denying creep whilst macroing is very unforgiving. It was spectacular play really.
THIS. Ofc DRGs APM are mostly macro, creepspread etc. But ofc you could never ever multitask like Innovation does, and Micro, Zerg is just not made for it and I think because terran have to do that all the time since the beginning of sc2, while Zerg don't have to do it for the win (i don't say IMBA, its just different to play), OFC Innovations Multitasking und (real)APM are much higher and more valuable
watch Life and talk about no potential for Z micro/multitask
Well you are right. Life is the exception to the rule, and the niveau we will see, when the game is really figured out and only the best of the best still are around. It is funny how I reacted when i saw this life kid the first time: Wow, the first Zerg who actually microes his units and does harassement, he will sure win GSL soon. Well he won it back then
what's funny is that a bunch of people in LR threads where saying that the 1st Z god will be the one with decent macro and really good micro. Life happened and proved they were right :p
He wasn't the first Zerg God though. >.>
Well he's the first one to be on a whole other level than almost every other player.
Only reason Nestea wasn't mid-late 2011 is because Mvp had wrists. :<<< If Mvp had wrists now, Life would look very mortal methinks.
But I'm biased, so.
I think too, he'd probably be the sc2 bonjwa. But when you look at Life play, god he does so many things that no other Z do, like 10pooling like a boss and winning with it, muta/ling micro and so on. It's way more impressive imo than Nestea (who's fucking smart and good at exploiting builds in a wild metagame) and DRG had lots of competition.
On February 07 2013 20:42 xluik wrote: bogus man outfucking played
Not outplayed. Innovation is being overhyped, DRG made some crucial errors in both games which cost him that(Very un-DRG like mistakes)
Just admit that Innovation was better than DRG. No need for poor excuses.
Not poor excuses, don't hype someone just for the case of hype. He is good but not what Tastosis or anyone else is hyping him up to be.
Some people don't hype just to hype. If you look into little details of specific games you can tell when someone is on fire. After Mvp won his first TvT in the Ro64 of his first GSL victory (I forgot who it was against, maybe Hyperdub?) nobody really knew who Mvp was and he wasn't impressing, but I instantly said right there. "That's it. Mvp is going to win this whole tournament. I'm following him." and it happened.
I'll go on a whim and say Innovation is going to do the impossible and win this GSL as well. I believe he can shut down Life.
Doubt that. Life looks far more invincible than Bogus.
Not when Soulkeys in his group. Soulkey looked more invincible then Life last time they played. Soulkey gave Life a 4-0 sweep.
Life won almost pretty much everything he entered recently. 1 serie doesn't tell much about Soulkey's skill overall.
Soulkey absolutely smashed Taeja in his best match up 2-0 in GSL. Also Soulkey beat Life in 2 series. 0-2 and 0-2 for Life. It was sniper who won last GSL not Life. Just because you have won pretty much everything you entered recently doesn't mean that there isn't somebody who can stop you. Life is going to have a difficult road ahead of him, especially since the only 3 Kespa players are still in Code S and are getting better and better each and every game.
what's funny is that a bunch of people in LR threads where saying that the 1st Z god will be the one with decent macro and really good micro. Life happened and proved they were right :p
He wasn't the first Zerg God though. >.>
Well he's the first one to be on a whole other level than almost every other player.
Were you watching from january to april last year?
mkp was around then to stop DRG though haha
Didn't MKP win before january? Pretty sure drg was stomping mkp past that point.
no, early 2012 was mkp stomping ground
My mistake, I thought he won after April or before January lol.
No it was approximately at the same time and there was this series of MLG finals between them.
I know there was a series between them for some reason I just remember drg winning an MLG then a GSL. Probably should have consulted liquipedia
On February 07 2013 20:31 bo1b wrote: Honestly what depresses me the most is people making it out like bogus had 3x the apm of drg that game.
maybe you need to be a terran player to realize how freaking difficult it is to do what bogus was doing. microing your hellions everywhere denying creep whilst macroing is very unforgiving. It was spectacular play really.
THIS. Ofc DRGs APM are mostly macro, creepspread etc. But ofc you could never ever multitask like Innovation does, and Micro, Zerg is just not made for it and I think because terran have to do that all the time since the beginning of sc2, while Zerg don't have to do it for the win (i don't say IMBA, its just different to play), OFC Innovations Multitasking und (real)APM are much higher and more valuable
watch Life and talk about no potential for Z micro/multitask
Well you are right. Life is the exception to the rule, and the niveau we will see, when the game is really figured out and only the best of the best still are around. It is funny how I reacted when i saw this life kid the first time: Wow, the first Zerg who actually microes his units and does harassement, he will sure win GSL soon. Well he won it back then
what's funny is that a bunch of people in LR threads where saying that the 1st Z god will be the one with decent macro and really good micro. Life happened and proved they were right :p
He wasn't the first Zerg God though. >.>
Well he's the first one to be on a whole other level than almost every other player.
Only reason Nestea wasn't mid-late 2011 is because Mvp had wrists. :<<< If Mvp had wrists now, Life would look very mortal methinks.
But I'm biased, so.
I think too, he'd probably be the sc2 bonjwa. But when you look at Life play, god he does so many things that no other Z do, like 10pooling like a boss and winning with it, muta/ling micro and so on. It's way more impressive imo than Nestea (who's fucking smart and good at exploiting builds in a wild metagame) and DRG had lots of competition.
I think he's more impressive than NesTea also, but we are ~16 months further on from there so its fair that the talent has increased as well as the meta.
On February 07 2013 20:42 xluik wrote: bogus man outfucking played
Not outplayed. Innovation is being overhyped, DRG made some crucial errors in both games which cost him that(Very un-DRG like mistakes)
Just admit that Innovation was better than DRG. No need for poor excuses.
Not poor excuses, don't hype someone just for the case of hype. He is good but not what Tastosis or anyone else is hyping him up to be.
Some people don't hype just to hype. If you look into little details of specific games you can tell when someone is on fire. After Mvp won his first TvT in the Ro64 of his first GSL victory (I forgot who it was against, maybe Hyperdub?) nobody really knew who Mvp was and he wasn't impressing, but I instantly said right there. "That's it. Mvp is going to win this whole tournament. I'm following him." and it happened.
I'll go on a whim and say Innovation is going to do the impossible and win this GSL as well. I believe he can shut down Life.
Doubt that. Life looks far more invincible than Bogus.
Not when Soulkeys in his group. Soulkey looked more invincible then Life last time they played. Soulkey gave Life a 4-0 sweep.
Life won almost pretty much everything he entered recently. 1 serie doesn't tell much about Soulkey's skill overall.
Soulkey absolutely smashed Taeja in his best match up 2-0 in GSL. Also Soulkey beat Life in 2 series. 0-2 and 0-2 for Life. It was sniper who won last GSL not Life. Just because you have won pretty much everything you entered recently doesn't mean that there isn't somebody who can stop you. Life is going to have a difficult road ahead of him, especially since the only 3 Kespa players are still in Code S and are getting better and better each and every game.
Didn't life also just get school break or something recently?
GSL S1 2013 Code S Ro16 Group A TaeJa vs Bomber Game 1 Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 TaeJa spawns in the top right Bomber spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for TaeJa rax first for Bomber
2:00 gas for Bomber tech lab for Bomber scv scout of TaeJa sees 1 gas and tech lab
3:00 reaper started for Bomber CC on the low ground for TaeJa Cc on the low ground for Bomber
4:00 2 more rax for TaeJa 2nd rax for Bomber reaper is intercepted and deflected by 2 marines 3rd rax for Bomber double gas for TaeJa
5:00 reaper is denied again by a marine on the high ground stim research started for Bomber ebay for Bomber bunker in the natural for Bomber ebay for TaeJa
6:00 +1 attack started for Bomber stim research started for TaeJa +1 attack started for TaeJa bunker in the natural for TaeJa Factory for TaeJa 3rd gas for TaeJa
7:00 2nd bunker in the natural for TaeJa marauder production started for Bomber Bomber salvages his bunker
8:00 Starport started for TaeJa Combat shields on the way for Bomber another gas for Bomber 3rd CC started for Bomber Bomber moving out with his bio force +1 armor started for Bomber
9:00 Factory started for Bomber double medivac production started for Taeja combat shields started for TaeJa TaeJa sees the attack coming scvs are pulled to repair marine from TaeJa kills the building scv on Bomber's 3rd +1 armor started for tTaeJa
10:00 Starport for Bombar armory for Bomber Bomber doesnt go in for the attack and starts killing rocks instead 2nd ebay for Bomber 3rd CC started for TaeJa on the high ground siege tank production started for TaeJa siege mode research started for TaeJa armory started for TaeJa +2 attack started for Bomber
11:00 +2 attack started for TaeJa 2 more rax for Bomber 2 more rax for TaeJa siege tank production started for Bomber 2nd factory for Bomber
12:00 +2 armor started for Bomber +2 armor started for TaeJa siege mode research started for Bomber +1 vehicle weapons started for TaeJa double siege tank production for Bomber sensor tower going up for Bomber
13:00 TaeJa has landed his 3rd base now +1 vehicle attack started for Bomber 2nd factory for TaeJa medivac and tank count is even
14:00 TaeJa looks like he's going to attack Bomber's army and decides to back off bomber decides to stim in and attack against TaeJa The armies trade but bomber kills off the marines of TaeJa
15:00 +3 attack started for Bomber Bomber takes a 20 supply lead 2 more rax for TaeJa +3 armor started for TaeJa +3 attack started for TaeJa +2 vehicle weapons started for TaeJa Bomber looks for another avenue of attack but TaeJa is ready to defend on the right side of the map
On February 07 2013 20:31 bo1b wrote: Honestly what depresses me the most is people making it out like bogus had 3x the apm of drg that game.
maybe you need to be a terran player to realize how freaking difficult it is to do what bogus was doing. microing your hellions everywhere denying creep whilst macroing is very unforgiving. It was spectacular play really.
THIS. Ofc DRGs APM are mostly macro, creepspread etc. But ofc you could never ever multitask like Innovation does, and Micro, Zerg is just not made for it and I think because terran have to do that all the time since the beginning of sc2, while Zerg don't have to do it for the win (i don't say IMBA, its just different to play), OFC Innovations Multitasking und (real)APM are much higher and more valuable
watch Life and talk about no potential for Z micro/multitask
Well you are right. Life is the exception to the rule, and the niveau we will see, when the game is really figured out and only the best of the best still are around. It is funny how I reacted when i saw this life kid the first time: Wow, the first Zerg who actually microes his units and does harassement, he will sure win GSL soon. Well he won it back then
what's funny is that a bunch of people in LR threads where saying that the 1st Z god will be the one with decent macro and really good micro. Life happened and proved they were right :p
He wasn't the first Zerg God though. >.>
Well he's the first one to be on a whole other level than almost every other player.
Only reason Nestea wasn't mid-late 2011 is because Mvp had wrists. :<<< If Mvp had wrists now, Life would look very mortal methinks.
But I'm biased, so.
I think too, he'd probably be the sc2 bonjwa. But when you look at Life play, god he does so many things that no other Z do, like 10pooling like a boss and winning with it, muta/ling micro and so on. It's way more impressive imo than Nestea (who's fucking smart and good at exploiting builds in a wild metagame) and DRG had lots of competition.
Rationally speaking, I have to agree with you 100%, Life's playing so well and he's got such a style that I can't really find a fault in his play. If I liked the guy, which I should but I'm irrational, he would be close to my favourite player.
But since I hate Life for denying Mvp's fifth, no he's terrible and you're wrong. :<
EPT
TaeJa vs 
