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On February 01 2013 21:45 TAMinator wrote:
I think I read somewhere that the coaches send players based on who would gain the most from that experience more so then who would win
But still with this match, not much choice to pick players, Taeja won't play, Stephano is in GSL. Pretty much every players left need to be in the lineup. Thorzain and whoelse didn't play today?
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Last place.
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On February 01 2013 21:52 Proseat wrote:
RorO with the first 3-win streak.
Scoring:
KHAN +4
EG-TL -2
RorO +5
Reality +4
Turn +4
JYP +3
JangBi +4
Shine +2
Revival +1
all other KHAN players +1
Including stork? even though he lost?
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On February 01 2013 22:22 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:52 Proseat wrote:
RorO with the first 3-win streak.
Scoring:
KHAN +4
EG-TL -2
RorO +5
Reality +4
Turn +4
JYP +3
JangBi +4
Shine +2
Revival +1
all other KHAN players +1
Including stork? even though he lost?
Yeah, he gets one for being sent out and one for his team winning
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sigh.. whenever i see a lineup with both puma and zenio i think, ok, well maybe EG-TL relish the chance of winning from a 0-2 position
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Does anyone who knows better has any idea why Puma has become that terrible?
I didn't watch the games so I can't see where he struggles but he keeps losing to the worst terrans Kespa could possibly send in TurN and Classic. He never fails to amaze me with his ability to lose.
Making the 1-1-1 haters happy.
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On February 01 2013 22:34 Poopi wrote:
Does anyone who knows better has any idea why Puma has become that terrible?
I didn't watch the games so I can't see where he struggles but he keeps losing to the worst terrans Kespa could possibly send in TurN and Classic. He never fails to amaze me with his ability to lose.
Making the 1-1-1 haters happy.
He didn't really get better for quite a while and then he had to have eye(?) surgery some months ago, and looked completely off after the break he had to take.
I'm not sure why he looks so awful now, but I also think he might be a nervous wreck in Proleague and scared to death by Kespa players after not making it as a b-teamer. Didn't watch his game though.
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On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of
Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses.
In other news, KHAN wins again 
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On February 01 2013 23:02 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses. In other news, KHAN wins again
Lol. You could argue that the "lower half" of EGTL isn't top tier. Then again, Zenio made Code A while tons of hyped kespa players didn't. HerO has 3 tournament wins under his belt + GSL Ro4 & Ro8 last year and a great performance at IPL5 that kinda fell under the radar because zerg suffocated the whole tournament. Taeja has won multiple tournaments and all killed multiple things and is currently performing well in GSL even though his wrists are in bad shape. Stephano has mulitple tournament wins and is always performing well.
I wasn't arguing that EGTL was a good team. At least read the post correctly. I said INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE = GSL, MLG, etc. HerO, Taeja, Stephano would place higher at individual tournaments than 90% of the kespa players.
That doesn't mean they'll perform well in PL. You could argue that the team is bad, whatever. What I'm saying is that EGTL has better individual players than most other teams but that it doesn't necessarily benefit them in a teamleague format like this, especially with Bo1s.
Same reason why IM wasn't winning everything.
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On February 01 2013 22:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 22:22 Pandemona wrote:On February 01 2013 21:52 Proseat wrote:
RorO with the first 3-win streak.
Scoring:
KHAN +4
EG-TL -2
RorO +5
Reality +4
Turn +4
JYP +3
JangBi +4
Shine +2
Revival +1
all other KHAN players +1
Including stork? even though he lost? Yeah, he gets one for being sent out and one for his team winning
Scoring for Stork was as follows:
+1 lineup
-1 game loss
+1 team win
He is thus included in "all other KHAN players +1" since I didn't list him separately.
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Inc EGSquirtleRC and EGHyuNRC. jk
But I honestly can't really picture them catching up at this rate...
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Also interesting to note is that HerO apparently couldn't find a practice partner for his PL match, I wonder if the rest of EGTL is having those problems too. They did say it wasn't easy to find some
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LOL Samsung won again. go go blue team.
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On February 01 2013 23:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses. In other news, KHAN wins again Lol. You could argue that the "lower half" of EGTL isn't top tier. Then again, Zenio made Code A while tons of hyped kespa players didn't. HerO has 3 tournament wins under his belt + GSL Ro4 & Ro8 last year and a great performance at IPL5 that kinda fell under the radar because zerg suffocated the whole tournament. Taeja has won multiple tournaments and all killed multiple things and is currently performing well in GSL even though his wrists are in bad shape. Stephano has mulitple tournament wins and is always performing well. I wasn't arguing that EGTL was a good team. At least read the post correctly. I said INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE = GSL, MLG, etc. HerO, Taeja, Stephano would place higher at individual tournaments than 90% of the kespa players. That doesn't mean they'll perform well in PL. You could argue that the team is bad, whatever. What I'm saying is that EGTL has better individual players than most other teams but that it doesn't necessarily benefit them in a teamleague format like this, especially with Bo1s. Same reason why IM wasn't winning everything.
You're only as good as your last game. Listing a bunch of old achievements is meaningless. Especially when last year the kespa players were playing BW. Most of the kespa players didn't even understand how the game worked when they got knocked out of GSL. It's only in the past month that JangBi said he learned what protoss is supposed to do in late game. Your examples don't make any sense in that context.
EGTL's players aren't good. That's why they lose. Simple as that. Results are what matter and when EGTL plays their results end in LOSSES. EGTL doesn't have better individual players. It's not like PL has 3v3 matches. If their players were better, they would win!
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On February 01 2013 23:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses. In other news, KHAN wins again Lol. You could argue that the "lower half" of EGTL isn't top tier. Then again, Zenio made Code A while tons of hyped kespa players didn't. HerO has 3 tournament wins under his belt + GSL Ro4 & Ro8 last year and a great performance at IPL5 that kinda fell under the radar because zerg suffocated the whole tournament. Taeja has won multiple tournaments and all killed multiple things and is currently performing well in GSL even though his wrists are in bad shape. Stephano has mulitple tournament wins and is always performing well. I wasn't arguing that EGTL was a good team. At least read the post correctly. I said INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE = GSL, MLG, etc. HerO, Taeja, Stephano would place higher at individual tournaments than 90% of the kespa players. That doesn't mean they'll perform well in PL. You could argue that the team is bad, whatever. What I'm saying is that EGTL has better individual players than most other teams but that it doesn't necessarily benefit them in a teamleague format like this, especially with Bo1s. Same reason why IM wasn't winning everything.
This argument, in the end, is fairly pointless because Kespa will not allow its players to freely participate in foreign tournaments. One can certainly say that EGTL players are more accomplished, while Kespa teams have "home field advantage" so to speak with their proleague. So there's never really a favorable battleground for a fair comparison.
Although next GSL could prove to be a good place to start. Where Roro, Shine, Reality, and Sola will all be participating this season.
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On February 01 2013 23:18 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses. In other news, KHAN wins again Lol. You could argue that the "lower half" of EGTL isn't top tier. Then again, Zenio made Code A while tons of hyped kespa players didn't. HerO has 3 tournament wins under his belt + GSL Ro4 & Ro8 last year and a great performance at IPL5 that kinda fell under the radar because zerg suffocated the whole tournament. Taeja has won multiple tournaments and all killed multiple things and is currently performing well in GSL even though his wrists are in bad shape. Stephano has mulitple tournament wins and is always performing well. I wasn't arguing that EGTL was a good team. At least read the post correctly. I said INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE = GSL, MLG, etc. HerO, Taeja, Stephano would place higher at individual tournaments than 90% of the kespa players. That doesn't mean they'll perform well in PL. You could argue that the team is bad, whatever. What I'm saying is that EGTL has better individual players than most other teams but that it doesn't necessarily benefit them in a teamleague format like this, especially with Bo1s. Same reason why IM wasn't winning everything. You're only as good as your last game. Listing a bunch of old achievements is meaningless. Especially when last year the kespa players were playing BW. Most of the kespa players didn't even understand how the game worked when they got knocked out of GSL. It's only in the past month that JangBi said he learned what protoss is supposed to do in late game. Your examples don't make any sense in that context. EGTL's players aren't good. That's why they lose. Simple as that. Results are what matter and when EGTL plays their results end in LOSSES. EGTL doesn't have better individual players. It's not like PL has 3v3 matches. If their players were better, they would win!
That's a dumb argument. Simply dumb.
Being better doesn't mean you're gonna win in a Bo1. Like, if you gave me one game vs Jangbi and I got a lucky build order win, am I better than him? No? Well, according to your logic I would be because I won the game.
As it is, Stephano, HerO and Taeja would wipe the floor with 90% of Kespa players in say a Bo5. The more games you play, the closer you get to seeing who's better. The fewer games you play, the more random it becomes. That's logic. If you have a dice that's heavier on one side and you roll it 50 times, you'd start to see a pattern. If you roll it once it has absolutely NO MEANING WHATSOEVER. The dice is still heavier on one side but you're not gonna be able to tell because you only rolled it once.
Again, when Mvp and Nestea won every tournament in the world but IM bombed out of teamleagues, were the IM players bad? It's a fucking dumb argument. IM just didn't perform well as a team while they were smashing individual leagues. HerO, Taeja and Stephano are ALWAYS doing well in individual leagues. Does that mean they'll automatically be a sick good team? Fuck no.
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On February 01 2013 23:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:18 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 23:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses. In other news, KHAN wins again Lol. You could argue that the "lower half" of EGTL isn't top tier. Then again, Zenio made Code A while tons of hyped kespa players didn't. HerO has 3 tournament wins under his belt + GSL Ro4 & Ro8 last year and a great performance at IPL5 that kinda fell under the radar because zerg suffocated the whole tournament. Taeja has won multiple tournaments and all killed multiple things and is currently performing well in GSL even though his wrists are in bad shape. Stephano has mulitple tournament wins and is always performing well. I wasn't arguing that EGTL was a good team. At least read the post correctly. I said INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE = GSL, MLG, etc. HerO, Taeja, Stephano would place higher at individual tournaments than 90% of the kespa players. That doesn't mean they'll perform well in PL. You could argue that the team is bad, whatever. What I'm saying is that EGTL has better individual players than most other teams but that it doesn't necessarily benefit them in a teamleague format like this, especially with Bo1s. Same reason why IM wasn't winning everything. You're only as good as your last game. Listing a bunch of old achievements is meaningless. Especially when last year the kespa players were playing BW. Most of the kespa players didn't even understand how the game worked when they got knocked out of GSL. It's only in the past month that JangBi said he learned what protoss is supposed to do in late game. Your examples don't make any sense in that context. EGTL's players aren't good. That's why they lose. Simple as that. Results are what matter and when EGTL plays their results end in LOSSES. EGTL doesn't have better individual players. It's not like PL has 3v3 matches. If their players were better, they would win! That's a dumb argument. Simply dumb. Being better doesn't mean you're gonna win in a Bo1. Like, if you gave me one game vs Jangbi and I got a lucky build order win, am I better than him? No? Well, according to your logic I would be because I won the game. As it is, Stephano, HerO and Taeja would wipe the floor with 90% of Kespa players in say a Bo5. The more games you play, the closer you get to seeing who's better. The fewer games you play, the more random it becomes. That's maths. Statistics. Again, when Mvp and Nestea won every tournament in the world but IM bombed out of teamleagues, were the IM players bad? It's a fucking dumb argument.
LOL yeah man! Good players lose! But they're still better! Everyone else is just too dumb to understand! An entire season of fail is just a build order loss!! Roro and Jangbi would wipe the floor with 95% of Kespa players in say a Bo100. That's maths! Depth doesn't matter in a team. Just one or two players who win every tournament! It's fucking brilliant!
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On February 01 2013 23:30 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:18 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 23:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses. In other news, KHAN wins again Lol. You could argue that the "lower half" of EGTL isn't top tier. Then again, Zenio made Code A while tons of hyped kespa players didn't. HerO has 3 tournament wins under his belt + GSL Ro4 & Ro8 last year and a great performance at IPL5 that kinda fell under the radar because zerg suffocated the whole tournament. Taeja has won multiple tournaments and all killed multiple things and is currently performing well in GSL even though his wrists are in bad shape. Stephano has mulitple tournament wins and is always performing well. I wasn't arguing that EGTL was a good team. At least read the post correctly. I said INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE = GSL, MLG, etc. HerO, Taeja, Stephano would place higher at individual tournaments than 90% of the kespa players. That doesn't mean they'll perform well in PL. You could argue that the team is bad, whatever. What I'm saying is that EGTL has better individual players than most other teams but that it doesn't necessarily benefit them in a teamleague format like this, especially with Bo1s. Same reason why IM wasn't winning everything. You're only as good as your last game. Listing a bunch of old achievements is meaningless. Especially when last year the kespa players were playing BW. Most of the kespa players didn't even understand how the game worked when they got knocked out of GSL. It's only in the past month that JangBi said he learned what protoss is supposed to do in late game. Your examples don't make any sense in that context. EGTL's players aren't good. That's why they lose. Simple as that. Results are what matter and when EGTL plays their results end in LOSSES. EGTL doesn't have better individual players. It's not like PL has 3v3 matches. If their players were better, they would win! That's a dumb argument. Simply dumb. Being better doesn't mean you're gonna win in a Bo1. Like, if you gave me one game vs Jangbi and I got a lucky build order win, am I better than him? No? Well, according to your logic I would be because I won the game. As it is, Stephano, HerO and Taeja would wipe the floor with 90% of Kespa players in say a Bo5. The more games you play, the closer you get to seeing who's better. The fewer games you play, the more random it becomes. That's maths. Statistics. Again, when Mvp and Nestea won every tournament in the world but IM bombed out of teamleagues, were the IM players bad? It's a fucking dumb argument. LOL yeah man! Good players lose! But they're still better! Everyone else is just too dumb to understand! An entire season of fail is just a build order loss!! Roro and Jangbi would wipe the floor with 95% of Kespa players in say a Bo100. That's maths! Depth doesn't matter in a team. Just one or two players who win every tournament! It's fucking brilliant!
I'm not even sure wtf you're arguing anymore.
Do you even read what I'm saying? Yes, better players will lose Bo1s. They are, however, more likely to win a series the more are being played. I suggest you take a dice and roll it one time. Then come back and say "LOL every number except 5 is bad because 5 won!". It's definitely possible that 5 has a higher chance than other numbers but you can't tell from just one try.
Because that's what you're saying. Other than that you're just spouting random sarcastic nonsense without making any real arguments except that "better players don't lose!!11!" which is simply dumb and wrong. So if that's all you have to say then... well
Of course depth matters in a teamleague but I never said otherwise, WTF. I never said EGTL was the better team. I'm saying that they have the better top individual players but that it doesn't benefit them as much in a teamleague. WTFWTFWTF
Also, if you're thinking that I'm somehow implying that Khan didn't deserve the win (which I think you are), I'm not. They deserved to win. They were the better team today which is what matters in a teamleague.
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