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On January 31 2013 14:51 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 14:44 babylon wrote:On January 31 2013 14:38 LighT. wrote:On January 31 2013 14:32 vthree wrote:On January 31 2013 14:21 LighT. wrote:On January 31 2013 14:17 TommyP wrote:On January 31 2013 14:12 LighT. wrote:On January 31 2013 14:10 TommyP wrote:On January 31 2013 14:06 BlazeFury01 wrote:On January 31 2013 14:04 TommyP wrote:
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If players only practice by playing on ladder (i know for a fact thats all DRG does for example) then none of that is relevant. When you just practice ladder, youre just focusing on yourself and not your opponent so thats irrelevant. The map pool buddy. Kespa players have to practice for an almost completely different map pool. Yea, but how many other tournaments do top eSF players play in that have differnet map pools, plus kespa maps are being used in GSL this season. Its nothing about map pools, preparation or anything. Right now, overall eSF players are better than KeSPA. Thank you for sharing your opinion. Now respect other's peoples opinion as well. From my perspective; eSF and Kespa are equal in skill level from the bottom to the top. except Kespa teams seems to cultivate academies better than eSF teams, while eSF has the best player in sc2: Life. The only opinion ive shared was when I said eSF players overall which based on GSL results between KeSPA and eSF players and the quality of games PL is producing compared to Code S, I dont see how you can argue (note some KeSPA players can compete with everybody) I think everything else i said was a fact. I've made this argument at least 3 different times on other threads and I cant believe I'm bringing it up for the 4th time. but you CANT compare Code S to SPL Comparing the two is retardation at its finest. Code S is a individual league for the top tier players. SPL is a team league composed of b teams, a-teamers and hell even trainees.. This is excuses, and more excuses. Code S is top 32 players. SPL plays 4 players for the winners round so it should be 8x4 (32 players top players). So the 'level' of players shouldn't be that different. How is that excuses? What excuse am I freaking making? All I've stated is that you cant compare an individual league with a freakin team league. Comparing the two is like myself going "OH LOOK AT GSTL" Compared to the OSL Finals of Rain/DRG, THE LEVEL OF GAMING IS BAD AND KESPA > ESF. You are comparing apples to oranges and trying to justify it. Stop. I know this really isn't your point, but I wouldn't go so far as to say the level of games played in GSTL is actually lower than the OSL finals of Rain/DRG in the first place ... in the second, I guess if you want to compare teamleagues, GSTL games are definitely better than SPL games in term of play quality on average. Hell, IPTL games seem better even to me than SPL games. (I've stopped watching even when EG-TL plays, but that may just be because Taeja no longer plays in SPL ...  ) It's to do with bias. The quality of games (ive extensively watched GSTL/IPL before SPL) is similar however the noticeable difference is that for SPL; the player will do anything to win the game; thus resorting to a lot of cheesing, unorthodox builds that would cause one to perceive the games of lesser quality. GSTL/IPL games tend to be more macro based; and the players follow the meta game as it currently trends at that period of time; so you have a lot of stagnancy until the mid-late game. There is cheese of course, but not as much. Anyway, judging "quality" of games is a subjective topic in the first place so.. I respect your statement, you respect mine. The whole point of Code S vs SPL is to say that the overall skill level of the eSF is higher than of Kespa. However if you were to make the logical comparison of GSTL vs SPL; you'll see that the levels are on par where the top tier ESF = top tier Kespa, mid tier esf = mid tier kespa etc.
I love how you keep saying your comparison is 'logical' while everyone else is wrong but you respect their opinion. So I too respect your opinion that top tier esf = top tier kespa and mid tier esf = mid tier kespa BUT it is just wrong.
That is not to say the top tier Kespa players can't beat the top tier eSF players. But I think if we had say the top 50 Kespa player against the top 50 eSF player. The win rate for eSF would be > 50%. And I do think the gap is decreasing but it is still there right now. When HoTS releases, who knows. Maybe the gap will be nil or maybe even Kespa can be the more dominate side.
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On January 31 2013 15:10 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 14:54 00Visor wrote:
The KeSPA stars (except Rain) fail to qualify, but lesser known players (and trainees) succeed.
So far KeSPA qualifiers: True (Team 8), Labyrinth (SKT1), Shine (KHAN), s2 (SKT1), 최성일 (CJ Trainee), Rain (SKT1), HS (Team 8), Reality (KHAN), Sola (KHAN)
SKT1 and KHAN really standing out with 3 qualified players. People keep saying this, but really, how many of the better Kespa players in Starcraft 2 have failed to qualify so far? Some KT players who've never been good in individual leagues, Stork, CJ_Hero, Dear and Zero. It's not like masses of star Kespa players are getting destroyed by all the trainees.
It`s not like there are masses of KeSPA stars. But they are all failing (except Rain).
Could add free and Jaehoon to your list.
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Afternoon groups being added to the GOM brackets.
Some of the notables:
Effort, Dark, Ragnarok, Motive, Savage, Heart
JYP, Supreme, Classic, TREME, Leta, Aria, Gerrard, soo
Inca, Jangbi, TheBest, GGanDol, Crazy
hydra, Cure, San, Brave, Bravo, Avenge
PenguiN, Brown (curiously with no team tag), Tails, Maru, Hope, J
Sting, Myungsik, Vines, Value, Paralyze
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OP is showing the BW killer by the way, pretty sure It's MVPkiller who qualified?
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On January 31 2013 15:23 xpaperclip wrote:
Afternoon groups being added to the GOM brackets.
Some of the notables:
Effort, Dark, Ragnarok, Motive, Savage, Heart
JYP, Supreme, Classic, TREME, Leta, Aria, Gerrard, soo
Inca, Jangbi, TheBest, GGanDol, Crazy
hydra, Cure, San, Brave, Bravo, Avenge
PenguiN, Brown (curiously with no team tag), Tails, Maru, Hope, J
Sting, Myungsik, Vines, Value, Paralyze
lol, is GOM trolling with group C (I guess group I since it is afternoon groups)?
Inca, TheBest, GGanDol. Some of the more infamous names of SC2. All they need it BitbyBit.
And J is stacked!! Hydra, Cure, Bravo all doing well in PL. Avenge is inconsistent but has had decent results. And San is a beast at qualifiers
+ Show Spoiler +he narrowly lost to DRG in the finals of the IPL 6 qualifers after a great run
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Fuck Hydra is in Cure's bracket ? Shit , i hope he has prepared and Bravo eliminated Effort in the last qualifiers so he must be decent at TvZ as well . Hydra i am gonna pray for you .
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why 6 groups not 5??? now there are 67/72 players in gsl who forfeits the slot?
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On January 31 2013 15:28 achan1058 wrote:
Who is GGanDol?
guy who made it to Code A qualifier final without playing a single game, won it, then immediately got sent down to Code B.
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On January 31 2013 15:23 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 15:10 GolemMadness wrote:On January 31 2013 14:54 00Visor wrote:
The KeSPA stars (except Rain) fail to qualify, but lesser known players (and trainees) succeed.
So far KeSPA qualifiers: True (Team 8), Labyrinth (SKT1), Shine (KHAN), s2 (SKT1), 최성일 (CJ Trainee), Rain (SKT1), HS (Team 8), Reality (KHAN), Sola (KHAN)
SKT1 and KHAN really standing out with 3 qualified players. People keep saying this, but really, how many of the better Kespa players in Starcraft 2 have failed to qualify so far? Some KT players who've never been good in individual leagues, Stork, CJ_Hero, Dear and Zero. It's not like masses of star Kespa players are getting destroyed by all the trainees. It`s not like there are masses of KeSPA stars. But they are all failing (except Rain). Could add free and Jaehoon to your list.
Yeah, there aren't a lot of Kespa stars. But guess what? Most of the best ones are already in code A/S. You can't really say that Free is a star player but S2 is just some player that nobody's ever heard of.
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On January 31 2013 15:31 DiMano wrote:
why 6 groups not 5??? now there are 67/72 players in gsl who forfeits the slot?
Looking at the list. The most likely are the foreigners (Grubby, Huk).
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On January 31 2013 15:34 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 15:31 DiMano wrote:
why 6 groups not 5??? now there are 67/72 players in gsl who forfeits the slot? Looking at the list. The most likely are the foreigners (Grubby, Huk).
I guess Grubby, since Huk is playing SPL.
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Effort's bracket is almost all Zerg, he got lucky.
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No hyuk??
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really wanted to see Sage and Jaehoon make it
also sucks that jjakji can't get back in. kind of surprised CJ hero didn't make it.
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On January 31 2013 15:36 sitromit wrote:
Effort's bracket is almost all Zerg, he got lucky.
Isn't Effort stronger in vT?
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On January 31 2013 15:34 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 15:23 00Visor wrote:On January 31 2013 15:10 GolemMadness wrote:On January 31 2013 14:54 00Visor wrote:
The KeSPA stars (except Rain) fail to qualify, but lesser known players (and trainees) succeed.
So far KeSPA qualifiers: True (Team 8), Labyrinth (SKT1), Shine (KHAN), s2 (SKT1), 최성일 (CJ Trainee), Rain (SKT1), HS (Team 8), Reality (KHAN), Sola (KHAN)
SKT1 and KHAN really standing out with 3 qualified players. People keep saying this, but really, how many of the better Kespa players in Starcraft 2 have failed to qualify so far? Some KT players who've never been good in individual leagues, Stork, CJ_Hero, Dear and Zero. It's not like masses of star Kespa players are getting destroyed by all the trainees. It`s not like there are masses of KeSPA stars. But they are all failing (except Rain). Could add free and Jaehoon to your list. Yeah, there aren't a lot of Kespa stars. But guess what? Most of the best ones are already in code A/S. You can't really say that Free is a star player but S2 is just some player that nobody's ever heard of.
pretty sure S2 has more proleague games than bisu
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On January 31 2013 15:38 cabarkapa wrote:No hyuk??
I think  Hyuk is coach now. He was a playing coach last year that's for sure.
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LOL gerrard is playing code a qualifier?
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EPT
