On January 31 2013 14:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Is Zenio the first Liquid player to make it through the qualifiers or was HerO still in Code B when he joined?

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jjakji and mma code B GSL champ alliance

Obviously Puma.

How many times has he tried now?

mongmong

Korea (South)1389 Posts

January 31 2013 05:49 GMT

#1611

On January 31 2013 13:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:

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Since they've started playing full time in September. Just accept it for what it is.

ahahaha like they had been practicing 80% for sc1 and 20% for sc2 in hybrid proleague very cute.
you just cant stand the fact that the elephants arent really performing upto their expectations ^^

xpaperclip

Australia995 Posts

January 31 2013 05:49 GMT

#1612

Sola 2-1

Size to finally finish the morning groups.

Darkaros

United States248 Posts

January 31 2013 05:51 GMT

#1613

Some pretty cool players coming (back) into this Code A, especially Tear and Arthur. Killer and Zenio too for old times' sake

Dodgin

Canada39254 Posts

January 31 2013 05:51 GMT

#1614

On January 31 2013 14:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Is Zenio the first Liquid player to make it through the qualifiers or was HerO still in Code B when he joined?

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jjakji and mma code B GSL champ alliance

It has to be someone who has never been in GSL

LighT.

Canada4501 Posts

January 31 2013 05:51 GMT

#1615

On January 31 2013 14:44 babylon wrote:

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On January 31 2013 14:38 LighT. wrote:

On January 31 2013 14:32 vthree wrote:

On January 31 2013 14:21 LighT. wrote:

On January 31 2013 14:17 TommyP wrote:

On January 31 2013 14:12 LighT. wrote:

On January 31 2013 14:10 TommyP wrote:

On January 31 2013 14:06 BlazeFury01 wrote:

On January 31 2013 14:04 TommyP wrote:

On January 31 2013 14:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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Well, I don't know about that. It may seem like they have plenty of time but if their main priority is training for a whole team of players (Pro League) then they wouldn't really have that much time if you think about it. Whereas the ESF players only has to focus on one group and that's their GSL group.

If players only practice by playing on ladder (i know for a fact thats all DRG does for example) then none of that is relevant. When you just practice ladder, youre just focusing on yourself and not your opponent so thats irrelevant.

The map pool buddy. Kespa players have to practice for an almost completely different map pool.

Yea, but how many other tournaments do top eSF players play in that have differnet map pools, plus kespa maps are being used in GSL this season. Its nothing about map pools, preparation or anything. Right now, overall eSF players are better than KeSPA.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.
Now respect other's peoples opinion as well.
From my perspective; eSF and Kespa are equal in skill level from the bottom to the top. except Kespa teams seems to cultivate academies better than eSF teams, while eSF has the best player in sc2: Life.

The only opinion ive shared was when I said eSF players overall which based on GSL results between KeSPA and eSF players and the quality of games PL is producing compared to Code S, I dont see how you can argue (note some KeSPA players can compete with everybody) I think everything else i said was a fact.

I've made this argument at least 3 different times on other threads and I cant believe I'm bringing it up for the 4th time.
but you CANT compare Code S to SPL
Comparing the two is retardation at its finest.
Code S is a individual league for the top tier players. SPL is a team league composed of b teams, a-teamers and hell even trainees..

This is excuses, and more excuses. Code S is top 32 players. SPL plays 4 players for the winners round so it should be 8x4 (32 players top players). So the 'level' of players shouldn't be that different.

How is that excuses? What excuse am I freaking making?
All I've stated is that you cant compare an individual league with a freakin team league.
Comparing the two is like myself going "OH LOOK AT GSTL" Compared to the OSL Finals of Rain/DRG, THE LEVEL OF GAMING IS BAD AND KESPA > ESF.
You are comparing apples to oranges and trying to justify it. Stop.

I know this really isn't your point, but I wouldn't go so far as to say the level of games played in GSTL is actually lower than the OSL finals of Rain/DRG in the first place ... in the second, I guess if you want to compare teamleagues, GSTL games are definitely better than SPL games in term of play quality on average. Hell, IPTL games seem better even to me than SPL games. (I've stopped watching even when EG-TL plays, but that may just be because Taeja no longer plays in SPL ...

)

It's to do with bias.
The quality of games (ive extensively watched GSTL/IPL before SPL) is similar however the noticeable difference is that for SPL; the player will do anything to win the game; thus resorting to a lot of cheesing, unorthodox builds that would cause one to perceive the games of lesser quality. GSTL/IPL games tend to be more macro based; and the players follow the meta game as it currently trends at that period of time; so you have a lot of stagnancy until the mid-late game. There is cheese of course, but not as much. Anyway, judging "quality" of games is a subjective topic in the first place so.. I respect your statement, you respect mine.
The whole point of Code S vs SPL is to say that the overall skill level of the eSF is higher than of Kespa.
However if you were to make the logical comparison of GSTL vs SPL; you'll see that the levels are on par where the top tier ESF = top tier Kespa, mid tier esf = mid tier kespa etc.

Severian

Australia2052 Posts

January 31 2013 05:51 GMT

#1616

On January 31 2013 14:48 Dodgin wrote:

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doesn't lg-im have like 9?

losira byul nestea mvp happy yoda seed first yonghwa

(MVP, ignoring games already played in this season)
Code S: Sniper, Noblesse, Keen, DRG
Code A: Vampire, finale, Lure, Killer, Dream, Shine

Unless I missed it, Tails is still to play. Too bad Monster didn't make it, though.

Shellshock

United States97274 Posts

January 31 2013 05:52 GMT

#1617

On January 31 2013 14:51 Dodgin wrote:

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It has to be someone who has never been in GSL

well then I guess Puma is the best choice but he's not nearly as good relative to the competition so idk

bittman

Australia8759 Posts

January 31 2013 05:52 GMT

#1618

Idk about you guys, but I'm pretty freaking happy Reality advanced. He was one of the first few Kespa players with Soulkey, shy, flash and roro that really showed any promise.

I know his SPL has been pretty average, but I still think he could be pretty decent.

EDIT: And that's a lot of MVP players!