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Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
January 12 2013 11:01 GMT
#3081
On January 12 2013 19:59 Ch3rry wrote:
At least in the next match Stephano is going first. Just blindly put Taeja, Hero and JD after him and EG-TL should be ok.

Ironically I think this is a decent strategy for success. I'm afraid we're "overcoaching" when we put in HuK or JYP for a particular situation.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
January 12 2013 11:02 GMT
#3082
Hydra's best matchup is ZvP, his ZvZ is up there, and ZvT is his worst (cf. last week's game vs Speed). Hence I would not have sent a Protoss, especially not on Neo Caldeum after they reduced the armor and hit points of the rocks and blocking structures making it much harder for Protoss to secure their natural.

I would have thus sent TaeJa. He did not get wrist surgery, just electrotherapy (judging by the Twitter picture). But let's assume he couldn't play, then instead I would have sent either ThorZaiN or Zenio (Jaedong apparently wasn't at the studio). ThorZaiN ain't too bad at TvZ and Zenio's best matchup is ZvZ.

I hope EG-TL will play their players differently in the future. There's no point in giving exposure to everyone on the team when in the end you will lose more than half your matches in Proleague.

Oh well. What's done is done. Thankfully I have Hydra on my FPL team.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 12 2013 11:02 GMT
#3083
So can we stop arguing about whether or not HerO > JYP in terms of a pick and focus on why exactly Taeja didn't play? His surgery obviously didn't stop him from sweeping his Up/Downs group.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 12 2013 11:03 GMT
#3084
All vods are up now
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
January 12 2013 11:03 GMT
#3085
On January 12 2013 20:02 Proseat wrote:
Hydra's best matchup is ZvP, his ZvZ is up there, and ZvT is his worst (cf. last week's game vs Speed). Hence I would not have sent a Protoss, especially not on Neo Caldeum after they reduced the armor and hit points of the rocks and blocking structures making it much harder for Protoss to secure their natural.

I would have thus sent TaeJa. He did not get wrist surgery, just electrotherapy (judging by the Twitter picture). But let's assume he couldn't play, then instead I would have sent either ThorZaiN or Zenio (Jaedong apparently wasn't at the studio). ThorZaiN ain't too bad at TvZ and Zenio's best matchup is ZvZ.

I hope EG-TL will play their players differently in the future. There's no point in giving exposure to everyone on the team when in the end you will lose more than half your matches in Proleague.

Oh well. What's done is done. Thankfully I have Hydra on my FPL team.


I don't think JD and PuMa are back from the US yet, or if they are they're probably super jet-lagged.

I don't really have a problem with them going with JYP who has a "hot hand." and has been doing well.

xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
January 12 2013 11:04 GMT
#3086
Unholy alliance crumbling as of late. If EG wants to play proleague themselves, let be it.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
January 12 2013 11:04 GMT
#3087
On January 12 2013 20:01 Jacmert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:59 Ch3rry wrote:
At least in the next match Stephano is going first. Just blindly put Taeja, Hero and JD after him and EG-TL should be ok.

Ironically I think this is a decent strategy for success. I'm afraid we're "overcoaching" when we put in HuK or JYP for a particular situation.


It really is, even despite the TL aces' uninspired play lately.

I don't know why a lot of people are blaming the map when it's clear that regardless, JYP did not look prepared *at all*. So it's either his fault for not preparing or the coach's fault for not sending someone else out.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 12 2013 11:04 GMT
#3088
On January 12 2013 20:03 bokchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 20:02 Proseat wrote:
Hydra's best matchup is ZvP, his ZvZ is up there, and ZvT is his worst (cf. last week's game vs Speed). Hence I would not have sent a Protoss, especially not on Neo Caldeum after they reduced the armor and hit points of the rocks and blocking structures making it much harder for Protoss to secure their natural.

I would have thus sent TaeJa. He did not get wrist surgery, just electrotherapy (judging by the Twitter picture). But let's assume he couldn't play, then instead I would have sent either ThorZaiN or Zenio (Jaedong apparently wasn't at the studio). ThorZaiN ain't too bad at TvZ and Zenio's best matchup is ZvZ.

I hope EG-TL will play their players differently in the future. There's no point in giving exposure to everyone on the team when in the end you will lose more than half your matches in Proleague.

Oh well. What's done is done. Thankfully I have Hydra on my FPL team.


I don't think JD and PuMa are back from the US yet, or if they are they're probably super jet-lagged.

I don't really have a problem with them going with JYP who has a "hot hand." and has been doing well.


They are back because Jaedong had to play in the up and down wild group 24 hours ago. They probably gave him today off so he could rest
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 12 2013 11:04 GMT
#3089
On January 12 2013 20:00 Jacmert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:57 NicksonReyes wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:55 His_fas wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:51 Jacmert wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:49 His_fas wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:46 Elite_ wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:44 His_fas wrote:
People are Crazy in this thread.. saying that HerO has "problems" have you guys seen how many tournaments Hero won/did well this past year? He just fucking Won NASL...
There are some people that are just retarded.





Pretty sure people like you are the retarded ones. If you don't understand these tweets, it's called a lack of confidence. He probably asked to not get sent out.


You problably have mental problems or your blind or something ... i follow hero on twitter and he says this shit for like 2 years ...

I wish i had his "problems", because for me hes doing just fine with them winning Dreamhacks and NASL's....

He posted that after FAILING to advance out of his Up/Down groups.

And even IF he thought he was going to lose every game for the next two weeks, sometimes as the coach you still send them out because you believe in them (even when they don't believe in themselves). Not all the time, but in HerO's case, it's not even applicable.


Go to his twitter.... he tweets this stuff every time ... he did like 3 days before he won NASL..he did the same shit before Dreamhack ...and he just went the and won both ...

You shouldnt judge Hero by his twitter

Before today:
Hero is 3-4 in PL
JYP is 7-4 in PL

Whether or not he has "problems," JYP still is more fit than him to play in televised pl matches.

Yeah, but who did he play? And two of those wins came from this Round, where he got 2 wins in the winner's format. Two of HerO's losses were to Rain and Flash, and his other loss was because he failed to wall off against a Zerg. I don't remember his 4th loss.


I don't understand. Are wins less meaningful because they're in winner's league format...?
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rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-12 11:05:28
January 12 2013 11:04 GMT
#3090
On January 12 2013 20:00 Jacmert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:57 NicksonReyes wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:55 His_fas wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:51 Jacmert wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:49 His_fas wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:46 Elite_ wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:44 His_fas wrote:
People are Crazy in this thread.. saying that HerO has "problems" have you guys seen how many tournaments Hero won/did well this past year? He just fucking Won NASL...
There are some people that are just retarded.

https://twitter.com/Liquid_HerO/status/289010378413858817

https://twitter.com/Liquid_HerO/status/289018733257691136

Pretty sure people like you are the retarded ones. If you don't understand these tweets, it's called a lack of confidence. He probably asked to not get sent out.


You problably have mental problems or your blind or something ... i follow hero on twitter and he says this shit for like 2 years ...

I wish i had his "problems", because for me hes doing just fine with them winning Dreamhacks and NASL's....

He posted that after FAILING to advance out of his Up/Down groups.

And even IF he thought he was going to lose every game for the next two weeks, sometimes as the coach you still send them out because you believe in them (even when they don't believe in themselves). Not all the time, but in HerO's case, it's not even applicable.


Go to his twitter.... he tweets this stuff every time ... he did like 3 days before he won NASL..he did the same shit before Dreamhack ...and he just went the and won both ...

You shouldnt judge Hero by his twitter

Before today:
Hero is 3-4 in PL
JYP is 7-4 in PL

Whether or not he has "problems," JYP still is more fit than him to play in televised pl matches.

Yeah, but who did he play? And two of those wins came from this Round, where he got 2 wins in the winner's format. Two of HerO's losses were to Rain and Flash, and his other loss was because he failed to wall off against a Zerg. I don't remember his 4th loss.

he did play Fantasy. easily on Flash/rain level.
twice vs soo who is mb a little bit under rain/flash but not much and went 1-1 vs him
and also won vs stork effort soulkey who are all 3 pretty stronk.

don't see your point. "and 2 wins are from this aorund in winners league" ... they are still wins ... no?
His_fas
Profile Joined December 2012
20 Posts
January 12 2013 11:05 GMT
#3091
On January 12 2013 20:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
So can we stop arguing about whether or not HerO > JYP in terms of a pick and focus on why exactly Taeja didn't play? His surgery obviously didn't stop him from sweeping his Up/Downs group.

Because EG-TL coaches thinks that only because JYP has a good PvZ he should put him against everyfucking zerg when he has the oportunity...instead of sending the best player...
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
January 12 2013 11:05 GMT
#3092
lol Stephano is still really good, he almost handed the win to EGTL...

CJ fighting! Keep those guys out of the play off spots
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
January 12 2013 11:06 GMT
#3093
On January 12 2013 20:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
So can we stop arguing about whether or not HerO > JYP in terms of a pick and focus on why exactly Taeja didn't play? His surgery obviously didn't stop him from sweeping his Up/Downs group.

I told you. He tweeted on the 9th. His group was the 7th.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Up_and_Down



SEE THE DATES? ONE CAME AFTER THE OTHER.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 12 2013 11:06 GMT
#3094
On January 12 2013 20:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
So can we stop arguing about whether or not HerO > JYP in terms of a pick and focus on why exactly Taeja didn't play? His surgery obviously didn't stop him from sweeping his Up/Downs group.


What's to focus on? We have no information on it. All that can be assumed is that he was unable to play or he would have.
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decado90
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States480 Posts
January 12 2013 11:06 GMT
#3095
On January 12 2013 20:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 20:01 Jacmert wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:59 Ch3rry wrote:
At least in the next match Stephano is going first. Just blindly put Taeja, Hero and JD after him and EG-TL should be ok.

Ironically I think this is a decent strategy for success. I'm afraid we're "overcoaching" when we put in HuK or JYP for a particular situation.


It really is, even despite the TL aces' uninspired play lately.

I don't know why a lot of people are blaming the map when it's clear that regardless, JYP did not look prepared *at all*. So it's either his fault for not preparing or the coach's fault for not sending someone else out.



Thorzain streams hours upon hours of HOTS every week. JD and Puma were just at an event in Las Vegas. They release silly interview videos. Preparation obviously isn't their main priority.
"Be formless like water"- Bruce Lee
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
January 12 2013 11:09 GMT
#3096
On January 12 2013 20:01 Jacmert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:59 Ch3rry wrote:
At least in the next match Stephano is going first. Just blindly put Taeja, Hero and JD after him and EG-TL should be ok.

Ironically I think this is a decent strategy for success. I'm afraid we're "overcoaching" when we put in HuK or JYP for a particular situation.


You don't have to be a genius to do that. Vs teams that are not that deep as KT or EG-TL, this should work pretty much every time. Stephano and Taeja 100% of the time, and JD, Hero or Revival sent on their best matchups.

If your goal is that everyone in the team has to get to play, then it is not surprising that from time to time you lose vs less deep teams.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
January 12 2013 11:09 GMT
#3097
On January 12 2013 20:06 decado90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 20:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On January 12 2013 20:01 Jacmert wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:59 Ch3rry wrote:
At least in the next match Stephano is going first. Just blindly put Taeja, Hero and JD after him and EG-TL should be ok.

Ironically I think this is a decent strategy for success. I'm afraid we're "overcoaching" when we put in HuK or JYP for a particular situation.


It really is, even despite the TL aces' uninspired play lately.

I don't know why a lot of people are blaming the map when it's clear that regardless, JYP did not look prepared *at all*. So it's either his fault for not preparing or the coach's fault for not sending someone else out.



Thorzain streams hours upon hours of HOTS every week. JD and Puma were just at an event in Las Vegas. They release silly interview videos. Preparation obviously isn't their main priority.

Those silly videos were all shot on the same day... You can tell by aLive being in the background of all of them... He was only there for a week according to Tfunk...
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 12 2013 11:09 GMT
#3098
On January 12 2013 20:06 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 20:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
So can we stop arguing about whether or not HerO > JYP in terms of a pick and focus on why exactly Taeja didn't play? His surgery obviously didn't stop him from sweeping his Up/Downs group.


What's to focus on? We have no information on it. All that can be assumed is that he was unable to play or he would have.


Just like last time right? Where neither HerO nor Taeja were "able to play". It just seems like the coaches wanna make everybody happy by playing everybody regardless of who the best players are. Good to see Stephano doing well though, not good to see him getting almost fucking DQed because he types "gl, hf". That's just fucked up.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
January 12 2013 11:10 GMT
#3099
lol hydra kills stephano and jyp :D

also, why not send out jaedong, he is the zvz guy on EG-TL as ace.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-12 11:11:51
January 12 2013 11:10 GMT
#3100
On January 12 2013 20:01 Jacmert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:59 Ch3rry wrote:
At least in the next match Stephano is going first. Just blindly put Taeja, Hero and JD after him and EG-TL should be ok.

Ironically I think this is a decent strategy for success. I'm afraid we're "overcoaching" when we put in HuK or JYP for a particular situation.

"we"

:D


On January 12 2013 20:10 esdf wrote:
lol hydra kills stephano and jyp :D

also, why not send out jaedong, he is the zvz guy on EG-TL as ace.

i guess he is tired as fuck after playing a tournament in the US, flying back to Korea and playing Up&Downs the day before. And they had two good Zergs, under normal circumstances there is no need for him.
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