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SideStepKing
Profile Joined December 2012
11 Posts
January 12 2013 10:40 GMT
#3041
Not gonna lie, Thorzain would've been the better choice. I don't want to blame it on JYP, but I do agree with posts that point out that not all maps you can safely FFE on, so I'll go with blaming 80% the coaching, and 20% the imbalance of the map hahaha. Stupid Hwanni, I wanted my +1 team win point for Revival. T_T
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-12 10:41:48
January 12 2013 10:40 GMT
#3042
On January 12 2013 19:39 Elite_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:
so now the EG only lineup is starting to be weird. where the f is taeja?


Oh, so THAT'S what people were referring to on Twitter. That looks like a modified form of (electrified) acupuncture. This is what everyone was saying his wrist surgery was? Oh my goodness... I think there's a good chance it's not nearly as serious as that.
Plat Support Main #believe
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
January 12 2013 10:42 GMT
#3043
Scoring:
CJ +2
EGTL +1
Revival +2
herO[jOin] +5
Stephano +5
Hydra +7
all other CJ players +1
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 12 2013 10:42 GMT
#3044
On January 12 2013 19:39 Jacmert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:36 Arceus wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:26 Diks wrote:
Sending JYP on that map was suicidal. JYP¨did actually great given the postiion he was in. Can't blame JYP, just the decision to send him on this map vs zerg. EG-TL coach has a lot to learn

everyone bashing the coach's decision should get a clue.
Taeja was show having operation on twitter.
HerO got the worst nerve of all, plus he failed hardcore against hydra last round
PuMa was banned from Caldeum for life after that ingenious 2rax lift
TZain? please
Zenio is considered worse than JYP, at least in vZ

So yeah that left JYP, a decent toss with once-great PvZ on a protoss map.

Can you explain HuK, please? And HerO does NOT have the worst nerves of all. He DOES get visibly emotional, but yet he has a habit of winning championships even under those nerves. I think we should play winners.

And what's wrong with Thorzain for the ace? If Taeja really is out of commission, playing Puma or Thorzain on that map isn't too bad.

I don't think playing JYP is the worst decision by far, I just think it's clear enough that it's not the BEST decision. Play HerO, if you can't play Taeja. Put some faith in him. He beat Stephano not too long ago in a BO5, I think, on his way to a championship (the details are fuzzy, but basically I'm not afraid when he plays against Zergs even though he somehow has this reputation for that being his weakest matchup).


Huk just qualified for code S. He deserved a shot. JYP has a PvZ win rate over 60%. Thorzain does not. Puma does not. Puma is 0-3 in Proleague so far. I don't understand what's going on.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 12 2013 10:43 GMT
#3045
On January 12 2013 19:39 Jacmert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:36 Arceus wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:26 Diks wrote:
Sending JYP on that map was suicidal. JYP¨did actually great given the postiion he was in. Can't blame JYP, just the decision to send him on this map vs zerg. EG-TL coach has a lot to learn

everyone bashing the coach's decision should get a clue.
Taeja was show having operation on twitter.
HerO got the worst nerve of all, plus he failed hardcore against hydra last round
PuMa was banned from Caldeum for life after that ingenious 2rax lift
TZain? please
Zenio is considered worse than JYP, at least in vZ

So yeah that left JYP, a decent toss with once-great PvZ on a protoss map.

Can you explain HuK, please? And HerO does NOT have the worst nerves of all. He DOES get visibly emotional, but yet he has a habit of winning championships even under those nerves. I think we should play winners.

And what's wrong with Thorzain for the ace? If Taeja really is out of commission, playing Puma or Thorzain on that map isn't too bad.

I don't think playing JYP is the worst decision by far, I just think it's clear enough that it's not the BEST decision. Play HerO, if you can't play Taeja. Put some faith in him. He beat Stephano not too long ago in a BO5, I think, on his way to a championship (the details are fuzzy, but basically I'm not afraid when he plays against Zergs even though he somehow has this reputation for that being his weakest matchup).


Huk got out of his U&D group and HerO didn't. Not saying HuK is the better player, but he wasn't a bad pick in PvP. Please CJ was probably preparing for HerO more than HuK.
chriZqq
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
141 Posts
January 12 2013 10:43 GMT
#3046
JYP the worst decision vs a Zerg, you Sir are a genius!

Why the frick shouldnt he send JYP? He is a monster vs Zerg and if you're not familiar with that check his results vs Z

And sending Huk after managing to get to Code S: Also a bad idea, cause, you know...uhm...oh...uhm...yeah thats just a bad idea... .
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
January 12 2013 10:43 GMT
#3047
On January 12 2013 19:40 SideStepKing wrote:
Not gonna lie, Thorzain would've been the better choice. I don't want to blame it on JYP, but I do agree with posts that point out that not all maps you can safely FFE on, so I'll go with blaming 80% the coaching, and 20% the imbalance of the map hahaha. Stupid Hwanni, I wanted my +1 team win point for Revival. T_T

Hwanni is NOT the coach. This guy is the coach:

@EGtrotRC
hello, my name is park sung jin Evil Geniuses korean Coach cheer for EG-TL 2012~2013 Proleague
https://twitter.com/EGtrotRC
Plat Support Main #believe
His_fas
Profile Joined December 2012
20 Posts
January 12 2013 10:44 GMT
#3048
People are Crazy in this thread.. saying that HerO has "problems" have you guys seen how many tournaments Hero won/did well this past year? He just fucking Won NASL...
There are some people that are just retarded.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
January 12 2013 10:44 GMT
#3049
taeja posted that before he smacked his up/downs so i really don't see why he shouldn't play
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
January 12 2013 10:44 GMT
#3050
On January 12 2013 19:43 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:39 Jacmert wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:36 Arceus wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:26 Diks wrote:
Sending JYP on that map was suicidal. JYP¨did actually great given the postiion he was in. Can't blame JYP, just the decision to send him on this map vs zerg. EG-TL coach has a lot to learn

everyone bashing the coach's decision should get a clue.
Taeja was show having operation on twitter.
HerO got the worst nerve of all, plus he failed hardcore against hydra last round
PuMa was banned from Caldeum for life after that ingenious 2rax lift
TZain? please
Zenio is considered worse than JYP, at least in vZ

So yeah that left JYP, a decent toss with once-great PvZ on a protoss map.

Can you explain HuK, please? And HerO does NOT have the worst nerves of all. He DOES get visibly emotional, but yet he has a habit of winning championships even under those nerves. I think we should play winners.

And what's wrong with Thorzain for the ace? If Taeja really is out of commission, playing Puma or Thorzain on that map isn't too bad.

I don't think playing JYP is the worst decision by far, I just think it's clear enough that it's not the BEST decision. Play HerO, if you can't play Taeja. Put some faith in him. He beat Stephano not too long ago in a BO5, I think, on his way to a championship (the details are fuzzy, but basically I'm not afraid when he plays against Zergs even though he somehow has this reputation for that being his weakest matchup).


Huk got out of his U&D group and HerO didn't. Not saying HuK is the better player, but he wasn't a bad pick in PvP. Please CJ was probably preparing for HerO more than HuK.

If anything I would have send HerO for PvP, he won both his PvP at the Up and Downs. Also I want a herO vs HerO match.
SideStepKing
Profile Joined December 2012
11 Posts
January 12 2013 10:44 GMT
#3051
On January 12 2013 19:43 Jacmert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:40 SideStepKing wrote:
Not gonna lie, Thorzain would've been the better choice. I don't want to blame it on JYP, but I do agree with posts that point out that not all maps you can safely FFE on, so I'll go with blaming 80% the coaching, and 20% the imbalance of the map hahaha. Stupid Hwanni, I wanted my +1 team win point for Revival. T_T

Hwanni is NOT the coach. This guy is the coach:

@EGtrotRC
hello, my name is park sung jin Evil Geniuses korean Coach cheer for EG-TL 2012~2013 Proleague
https://twitter.com/EGtrotRC

Oh mah bad. Thanks for clearing that up. Lol
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
January 12 2013 10:45 GMT
#3052
On January 12 2013 19:39 Veldril wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 19:33 Meggiroth wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:29 rasers wrote:
On January 12 2013 19:27 Meggiroth wrote:
This is becoming way way too stupid. I'd make a petition to EG-TL leadership to change that tard coach.
He just threw away another win with stupid decisions.

what would you say if hero gets send out and chokes? like he did many times before? cause he is so emotional.


Hero is still 100 times better overall than JYP and also he is really good vs Zerg. Hero would have stomped Hydra with his monitor closed and hands tied to his back.
Even Taeja would have won.
And Jaedong eats GSL zergs for breakfast.
HOW TF can you send out JYP in this situation? What did the other players worked and won points for? So all would go down the drain by a really stupid coach decision?


Nah, Hydra slowling rushed HerO in the first round and won in 10 minutes, it was not even funny (because I'm a TL fan T T)

Was that on cloud kingdom, where he sent out his first zealot too far and missed the block with his probe or something?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 12 2013 10:45 GMT
#3053
On January 12 2013 19:40 SideStepKing wrote:
Not gonna lie, Thorzain would've been the better choice. I don't want to blame it on JYP, but I do agree with posts that point out that not all maps you can safely FFE on, so I'll go with blaming 80% the coaching, and 20% the imbalance of the map hahaha. Stupid Hwanni, I wanted my +1 team win point for Revival. T_T


Well, when you know the outcome, anyone else would have been a better choice.

Honestly, for people bashing the coaches, I would love to see your FPL teams to see how many 'horrible' choice you make.
InstantKarma
Profile Joined November 2010
United States205 Posts
January 12 2013 10:45 GMT
#3054
One reason for no Liquid players might be that Hero and Taeja have been practicing for GSL up an downs and haven't been playing on the kespa maps while the coach probably had the EG players practicing on those maps.
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
January 12 2013 10:46 GMT
#3055
Why blame JYP, and why challenge his skill. Both are considered to be solid code-S level players. He really was one of the better players to send out at that point, methinks.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
January 12 2013 10:46 GMT
#3056
On January 12 2013 19:44 His_fas wrote:
People are Crazy in this thread.. saying that HerO has "problems" have you guys seen how many tournaments Hero won/did well this past year? He just fucking Won NASL...
There are some people that are just retarded.





Pretty sure people like you are the retarded ones. If you don't understand these tweets, it's called a lack of confidence. He probably asked to not get sent out.
msl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany477 Posts
January 12 2013 10:47 GMT
#3057
Looks like they're going with the "give EG player max exposure" strat rather then the "best shot at winning" strat. Oh well, at leat Stephano did well.
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Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
January 12 2013 10:47 GMT
#3058
On January 12 2013 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
taeja posted that before he smacked his up/downs so i really don't see why he shouldn't play

No he didn't. He tweeted that on the 9th. His U&D group was the 7th.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
January 12 2013 10:49 GMT
#3059
On January 12 2013 19:44 His_fas wrote:
People are Crazy in this thread.. saying that HerO has "problems" have you guys seen how many tournaments Hero won/did well this past year? He just fucking Won NASL...
There are some people that are just retarded.

I don't think people are retarded, but the general idea behind your post is something I wholeheartedly agree with. HerO has given us a track record of tournament results. JYP hasn't, right? I follow the SC2 scene quite closely and I can't remember any notable results from JYP for awhile. Yet he somehow is just know to be the superior PvZ player, for some reason.
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iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
January 12 2013 10:49 GMT
#3060
I don't think the coach had a choice of who to sent out tbh...
Ready players: Zenio JYP HerO Tfunk Puma

Zenio: decent zvz player, gamble a zvz for a win
JYP: "PvZ specialist" decent performance in PL so far
HerO: Shaky performance lately, openly admits PvZ is his worst
Tfunk: limited showings so far with 25%(?) win rate... shaky choice
Puma: have yet to win a PL match

i'd pick JYP or HerO 50/50. if i picked JYP today i'd pick HerO tomorrow.
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