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WetSocks
United States953 Posts
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
On December 21 2012 20:28 Zealously wrote: Actually, I think that Abyssal City is abysmal for Immortal-sentry all-ins + Show Spoiler + Hehehe Didn't stop Parting from beating Sniper on it  | ||
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Khaldor
Germany861 Posts
On December 21 2012 17:39 DarkLordOlli wrote: Wow you really that one serious. But well if you wanna go there tell me one protoss who wins lategame vs zerg. I'm not saying that terran has it any easier. Protoss just has a number of viable all ins, hence the immensely reduced winrate if those are nerfed. There's no macro PvZ strategy. Why don't you finally understand that this does not prevent Protoss from winning games? It is completely irrelevant if Protoss wins the games in the early or in the late game, the matter of the fact is they can win them. It makes the matchup extremely silly because of the different times in which a race has advantages but that's all. Of course that has to be fixed and hopefully Blizzard will be able to do that (even if it'll in HotS and not in WOL), but this myth that Protoss can't win vs. Zerg is just so retarded it makes my head hurt. And I would be very surprised if Blizzard is not aware of this, there is no reason for them to nerf Immortals while at the same time not making changes to the Zerg Lategame as wellTerran is really struggeling these days and there are definitely things that have to be changed, but stop this whining for the whinings sake. There's a saying in Martial Arts: Never box with a boxer and never wrestle with a wrestler. Always force your opponent to fight/play your game. That's what PvZ atm ist about 80% of the times. Protoss struggles in the lategame? Of course, so kill them early. That's unfortunately the way it is right now, but still both sides win. Blizzard balancing the game out so that both races have the same chances of winning early and late game would be the ideal situation but unfortunately at this point it's not the case. And for gods sake stop always being defensive when arguments like this are being raised. Nobody called you or your race bad -.- Bottom line: the finals will be great and I'm extremely looking forward to it. Would be nice if more people would be concerned about the match at hand. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On December 21 2012 22:12 Khaldor wrote: Why don't you finally understand that this does not prevent Protoss from winning games? It is completely irrelevant if Protoss wins the games in the early or in the late game, the matter of the fact is they can win them. It makes the matchup extremely silly because of the different times in which a race has advantages but that's all. Of course that has to be fixed and hopefully Blizzard will be able to do that (even if it'll in HotS and not in WOL), but this myth that Protoss can't win vs. Zerg is just so retarded it makes my head hurt. And I would be very surprised if Blizzard is not aware of this, there is no reason for them to nerf Immortals while at the same time not making changes to the Zerg Lategame as wellTerran is really struggeling these days and there are definitely things that have to be changed, but stop this whining for the whinings sake. There's a saying in Martial Arts: Never box with a boxer and never wrestle with a wrestler. Always force your opponent to fight/play your game. That's what PvZ atm ist about 80% of the times. Protoss struggles in the lategame? Of course, so kill them early. That's unfortunately the way it is right now, but still both sides win. Blizzard balancing the game out so that both races have the same chances of winning early and late game would be the ideal situation but unfortunately at this point it's not the case. And for gods sake stop always being defensive when arguments like this are being raised. Nobody called you or your race bad -.- Bottom line: the finals will be great and I'm extremely looking forward to it. Would be nice if more people would be concerned about the match at hand. I agree with a lot of what you said but I never said protoss can't win against zerg. Protoss all ins are extremely strong in fact which means some might say the matchup favors protoss because all ins can kill zerg before they get to their pretty much unbeatable army. The thing is, I'd take a nerf like immortal build time increase any time, any second, for a way to fairly play vs zerg lategame. Like many zergs do I think the immortal all in, if executed perfectly, is too strong. If a certain race has an advantage at certain stages of the game, that's fine... protoss has an advantage over terran if both players go into lategame untouched. But the advantage that zerg has is too much. No reasonable person will ever tell you otherwise. And I mean you kind of make similar points to be honest. The only difference is that I'm complaining about how fucking retarded the idea is that you have to beat a clock or you're screwed. Same goes for zerg having to survive a certain point in the game. What I'm complaining about is how silly PvZ is and how retardedly broken both extremes are. If every protoss learned how to immortal all in like Parting there'd be a sickening 90something percent winrate for protoss in the matchup and well, people are slowly getting there which is why you see insanely well executed immortal all ins from more and more players. But if you took away the immortal all in there'd be no protoss wins except the ones that come from other (already figured out) all ins. All zerg would have to do is turtle up, expect a pre-hive all in and win. That's just how it would play out. The matchup is fucking bullshit because its "balance" relies on two imbalances clashing - except they don't clash. If one imbalance doesn't win, the other does. And that's the most retarded concept a matchup could ever have. And apparently blizzard still thinks zerg lategame is NOT unbeatable, that's what shines through their interviews most of the time. Well. Of course people are gonna complain. Sorry for the rant, won't talk about the matchup in LR threads anymore. It's not the right place, I admit that. Just getting more and more frustrated by it and especially by the lack of change. Enjoy the finals good man! | ||
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casualman
United States1198 Posts
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On December 22 2012 00:10 X3GoldDot wrote: HAVE U ALL MISSED ME??!?!?!!??!!??! especially my bosombuddy/archnemesis lichter ( and opterown too but he rejected me ), btw @lichter, ST seems to be doing pretty well dont you think huehuehue.......as for the games, i was actually REALLY surprised life and parting made it to the finals, i really think parting has what it takes to destroy life 4-1, sadly i cant watch the games but who cares, regardless of the results im pretty fucking happy that some of my favorite players started destroying everyone while i was banned Lol, what got you banned dude? Baseless hating on HerO?  | ||
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
On December 22 2012 00:12 DarkLordOlli wrote: Lol, what got you banned dude? Baseless hating on HerO? i got banned for baseless hating on inzanity, i still hate HerO, not as much now though | ||
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
On December 21 2012 20:35 WetSocks wrote: which match was that Parting used sunglasses and does some redbull ceremony? o_O against alive in some match which i forgot, i know almost certainly it was against alive however | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On December 22 2012 00:36 X3GoldDot wrote: against alive in some match which i forgot, i know almost certainly it was against alive however Yes, aLive in the Up/Downs. Final match I believe, when Parting confirmed himself for Code S | ||
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
On December 22 2012 00:37 DarkLordOlli wrote: Yes, aLive in the Up/Downs. Final match I believe, when Parting confirmed himself for Code S huehuehue you just made a mistake, checked liquipedia and parting beat alive in code A ro24 ( season 3 btw), not ups and downs!!! | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On December 22 2012 00:56 X3GoldDot wrote: huehuehue you just made a mistake, checked liquipedia and parting beat alive in code A ro24 ( season 3 btw), not ups and downs!!! Goddamnit, I was so sure too | ||
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WhX
Germany778 Posts
If the matches won't revolve all around immortal all-ins and zerg lategame, I'll be satisfied regardless of the outcome. They both are incredibly talented players. Looking forward to the games! By the way. If an angry Protoss reads this: Don't quote me stating things like "BUT WHAT ELSE CAN P DO AGAINST ZERG". I'm well aware of the fact that PvZ is poorly designed in many ways, but continuous ranting about this in a LR thread won't change shit. Edit: Typo | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On December 22 2012 02:18 Fionn wrote: I wonder if they'll do the teams arriving by van again. That was pretty cool last year. StarTale is coming by train | ||
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
THE SOUL TRAIN | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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