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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
December 18 2012 19:25 GMT
#1041
On December 19 2012 04:02 1Dhalism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 00:21 Mensol wrote:
One WonWonWon will rule them all.



ermagerd

can't stop laughing xD
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 19:31:22
December 18 2012 19:30 GMT
#1042
Send in the Zergs =) At least the results are consistent and I'm glad Sniper took the first spot.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 18 2012 19:39 GMT
#1043
On December 19 2012 04:13 decado90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 03:52 Kznn wrote:
2011: year of terran
2012: year of z
2013: probably year of z again


People still count 2011? Maps like Steppes of War, Kulas Ravine, Delta Quadrant, Scrap Station, Xel Naga Caverns?

game brand new, rax before depot, no meta game to speak of, tourneys few and far between...


2012 the game is way more developed and is as bad or worse than it's ever been.

You're clearly unable to tell what year things happened in. You're thinking of 2010.

2011 was the year of MVP, the year of MMA. The GSTL insanity. etc. etc. etc.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
December 18 2012 20:44 GMT
#1044
damn PvP keeping the Protoss who showed to be better at the other matchup from advancing..
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
December 18 2012 22:00 GMT
#1045
Oh my god, the ZvP.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 18 2012 23:38 GMT
#1046
can anyone make today's LR thread? tyty
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
December 19 2012 00:09 GMT
#1047
On December 19 2012 04:23 Za7oX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 04:13 decado90 wrote:
On December 19 2012 03:52 Kznn wrote:
2011: year of terran
2012: year of z
2013: probably year of z again


People still count 2011? Maps like Steppes of War, Kulas Ravine, Delta Quadrant, Scrap Station, Xel Naga Caverns?

game brand new, rax before depot, no meta game to speak of, tourneys few and far between...


2012 the game is way more developed and is as bad or worse than it's ever been.

So does that mean GomTvT never happened? no.....

It was fun to watch at least...
in a state of trance
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
December 19 2012 02:23 GMT
#1048
A great way to end the year of zergs: with a mass of zerg players in the final rounds .
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
December 19 2012 02:57 GMT
#1049
At least this is the representation of what the latter half of 2012 was. Disappointed to see 5/6 players being Zerg, but with most of the Protosses slumping, and the majority of the Zergs playing at their best, it was expected. One lone son of Aiur will challenge the fury of the Swarm soon, while the Terrans have all long gone. Jeez, this is just like the campaign.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
December 19 2012 03:08 GMT
#1050
On December 19 2012 04:02 1Dhalism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 00:21 Mensol wrote:
One WonWonWon will rule them all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFUJjm0yXNc#t=14s



Damn that guy looks like liquidNony
lol

that's a hilarious video.
Thanks for the post!
moo...for DRG
Taryssa
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1628 Posts
December 19 2012 03:14 GMT
#1051
Sad to see such little Terran representation but the ZvP game has been morphing nicely and PvP lends itself to exciting once in a lifetime games from time to time...I'm pretty hyped
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 19 2012 03:47 GMT
#1052
On December 19 2012 11:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
At least this is the representation of what the latter half of 2012 was. Disappointed to see 5/6 players being Zerg, but with most of the Protosses slumping, and the majority of the Zergs playing at their best, it was expected. One lone son of Aiur will challenge the fury of the Swarm soon, while the Terrans have all long gone. Jeez, this is just like the campaign.


That is like saying GomTvT happened because P and Z were slumping and a majority of the Terrans were playing at their best. The meta and the maps just favor zergs right now. Especially top zergs that can defend all the timings.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 19 2012 04:15 GMT
#1053
On December 19 2012 12:47 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 11:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
At least this is the representation of what the latter half of 2012 was. Disappointed to see 5/6 players being Zerg, but with most of the Protosses slumping, and the majority of the Zergs playing at their best, it was expected. One lone son of Aiur will challenge the fury of the Swarm soon, while the Terrans have all long gone. Jeez, this is just like the campaign.


That is like saying GomTvT happened because P and Z were slumping and a majority of the Terrans were playing at their best. The meta and the maps just favor zergs right now. Especially top zergs that can defend all the timings.


Well, it wasn't Zergs that knocked Seed and Rain into Code B. Seed fell to Code A because he dropped 4 maps to a Protoss in his ro32 group, then got knocked down to Code B by a Terran. He also got 2-0'ed by Kas at Iron Squid. Nestea even said he lost his passion and hadn't been practicing as much.

Rain got knocked out by a Terran too. He has only been able to win against Protoss since he got knocked out of MLG by Bomber.

So I think it's safe to say, that the 2 Protosses were in fact already not doing so well, in a slump, whatever, regardless of the ZvP metagame or maps.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 19 2012 04:35 GMT
#1054
On December 19 2012 13:15 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 12:47 vthree wrote:
On December 19 2012 11:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
At least this is the representation of what the latter half of 2012 was. Disappointed to see 5/6 players being Zerg, but with most of the Protosses slumping, and the majority of the Zergs playing at their best, it was expected. One lone son of Aiur will challenge the fury of the Swarm soon, while the Terrans have all long gone. Jeez, this is just like the campaign.


That is like saying GomTvT happened because P and Z were slumping and a majority of the Terrans were playing at their best. The meta and the maps just favor zergs right now. Especially top zergs that can defend all the timings.


Well, it wasn't Zergs that knocked Seed and Rain into Code B. Seed fell to Code A because he dropped 4 maps to a Protoss in his ro32 group, then got knocked down to Code B by a Terran. He also got 2-0'ed by Kas at Iron Squid. Nestea even said he lost his passion and hadn't been practicing as much.

Rain got knocked out by a Terran too. He has only been able to win against Protoss since he got knocked out of MLG by Bomber.

So I think it's safe to say, that the 2 Protosses were in fact already not doing so well, in a slump, whatever, regardless of the ZvP metagame or maps.


What about the qualifications for the event itself? All the zergs (besides DRG) did it by winning late second half tournaments. The T and Ps (Creator, Ryung, Bogus) that were doing better in second half couldn't get in because they lost to zergs in those tournaments.
mbsupermario
Profile Joined July 2010
United States101 Posts
December 19 2012 04:50 GMT
#1055
So, I play zerg and I'm going to say it: zerg is too powerful. The funny thing is, I don't think it's the queen buff, OL speed buff, even infestor/broodlord that is causing the imbalance.

Ok, so maybe infestor/broodlord is a bit broken. My point is, the imbalance has existed all along, but because players of yore were not as technically proficient as today's players, taking advantage of the core mechanics (ie. creep spread, overlord spread, inject larva) simply make other changes seem super powerful. It's the reason TLO provided (on more than one occasion) for switching back to zerg.

I think the best way to truly fix this would be to improve the core mechanics of the other races such that they have potential to affect the game to the same degree as zerg's core mechanics.

Warp gates seem pretty cool, but chronoboost is lackluster and doesn't provide much room for separation between a great player and the best player.

Terran's core mechanics just seem outright bad in this regard.

PS. I would like to see improved top speed/acceleration on hunter seeker missile, possibly accompanied by a damage reduction. It would definitely help to narrow the gap between 'necessary' and 'almost useless' for the primary terran spellcaster.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
December 19 2012 04:54 GMT
#1056
blizzard cup round of zerg
The Show of a Lifetime
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
December 19 2012 05:58 GMT
#1057
I came to this thread to look at the results. I said to myself, "Wow, it would be really funny if all the zergs won!" Then I clicked on the spoiler. There was no amusement. I just felt awkward.
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
December 19 2012 06:01 GMT
#1058
I understand Blizzard's plan now- this total zerg domination is a good way to prime everyone for playing the campaign in Heart of the Swarm.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 19 2012 06:15 GMT
#1059
On December 19 2012 13:50 mbsupermario wrote:
So, I play zerg and I'm going to say it: zerg is too powerful. The funny thing is, I don't think it's the queen buff, OL speed buff, even infestor/broodlord that is causing the imbalance.

Ok, so maybe infestor/broodlord is a bit broken. My point is, the imbalance has existed all along, but because players of yore were not as technically proficient as today's players, taking advantage of the core mechanics (ie. creep spread, overlord spread, inject larva) simply make other changes seem super powerful. It's the reason TLO provided (on more than one occasion) for switching back to zerg.

I think the best way to truly fix this would be to improve the core mechanics of the other races such that they have potential to affect the game to the same degree as zerg's core mechanics.

Warp gates seem pretty cool, but chronoboost is lackluster and doesn't provide much room for separation between a great player and the best player.

Terran's core mechanics just seem outright bad in this regard.

PS. I would like to see improved top speed/acceleration on hunter seeker missile, possibly accompanied by a damage reduction. It would definitely help to narrow the gap between 'necessary' and 'almost useless' for the primary terran spellcaster.


Although I agree with the mechanics difference. It was the Queen buff and OL speed buff which made it worse. T were able to 'control' creep with hellion. Maybe TOO much so but without hellions, creeps are now too much. They really need to slow down creeping for the top level zergs. As for the injects, the reason we are seeing this being so powerful now is that zerg has such good early game defense (Queens) and scouting that they can make minimal units to defend and get their economies up much early (zergs no longer even need to make spines in early game TvZ).

Another side affect of this is that Ts have to play more greedy (3CC) or invest a lot on harass (hellions) to keep up with econ. Which have made builds like early roach pressure very successful. Even if you see the roaches when they are in the middle of the map, if you have committed to hellions/3CC. You will take a lot of damage and play from behind.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
December 19 2012 07:59 GMT
#1060
Are we an hour away without a thread?

I'm busy so I can't help.
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