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Ladies and gentlemen, it is page 143 and any patchzerg, balance related commentary and the usual bashing etc from this point on will be met with harsh moderation.
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
November 30 2012 21:17 GMT
#1241
Zerg sure has come a looong way since being the de facto weakest race in the first gsl (even though funnily enough they actually won that tourny too) :D

Gogo Grubby.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
November 30 2012 21:17 GMT
#1242
I really wonder how much these GSL semi finalists have practiced other match ups, winning IPL is nice but GSL is GSL.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 30 2012 21:17 GMT
#1243
On December 01 2012 06:13 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:12 Plexa wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:11 Gescom wrote:
Off topic, fill me in for a sec -- what would happen if someone went void ray + phoenix + warp prism HTs in the ultra late game for PvZ to go up against infestor+bl?

Fungal


Which is coincidentally also the answer to every other "what would happen if someone went unit x + y ultra late game against zerg" question.


The cause of and solution to…. all of life’s problems.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 30 2012 21:17 GMT
#1244
On December 01 2012 06:16 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:14 Fusilero wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:13 opterown wrote:
bboong > seed

Chae is currently in the IM house smashing seed's trophy.

With the hammer he crafted out of the leftovers of jjakjis smashed trophy?

Correct, there are reports he is also already eyeing the trophy of the winner this season.
Glorious SEA doto
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
November 30 2012 21:17 GMT
#1245
On December 01 2012 06:09 Cricketer12 wrote:
HuK has very good chance of making it to losers round 8 :D
because now he face ryung, then yoda, then winner of taeja sniper(taeja, baad tvp) and then HerO(baad PvP) :D


Would be rather funny after all the shit he received in the Life games.
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
November 30 2012 21:17 GMT
#1246
On December 01 2012 06:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:13 Adreme wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:11 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:09 Hypemeup wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:08 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:04 Derrida wrote:
To be honest, I thought Hero played close to optimal for a protoss who did not resort to immortal-sentry. Kill the morphing in greater spire, pushing, constant prism harrass, two good vortex... Not sure how he lost. Any insights?


Terrible engagements and weak army comp. That vortex on all the broods at Violet's 4th should have won Hero the game, but he threw the rest of his units in and pushed the archons out of the center. Plus, he didn't have enough AoE (not enough archons and storm) in the engagement at his forward expansion. To anyone who says storm sucks against Broodlords, watch Squirtle vs Mvp...if storms can kill 500-hp battlecruisers, they can kill 225-hp broodlords.


Feedback was what killed MvPs BCs, storms were just the finishing touch.


Lmfao even a feedback on a full energy BC leaves it with 250 HP (25 more than a broodlord).


It was a combination of feedback,archon splash storm and then just finishing off the red health bc's.


So which of those things aren't present in the PvZ comp? Oh,right, none. As much as I like Hero, it's obvious that he misplaed that.

it's easy to misplay in that situation, I blame him for not allining on the first map :/
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 30 2012 21:17 GMT
#1247
Sniper going for a HyuN bust
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
November 30 2012 21:17 GMT
#1248
On December 01 2012 06:12 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:04 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:01 mambar wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:00 Serinox wrote:
Poor HerO better play but was not enough

ok...

Denies 5th base forever while getting his own. Snipes greater spire. Kills tons of drones with storm drops etc.

He really couldn't have played any better....


*And keeps making t1 units. It'd be fun to see a zerg be 2 bases ahead of a protoss and only make t1 units then complain that he lost.



ht, archons, mothership all t1 units huh?

if you are referring to the stalkers...what else was he suppose to make to combat bl...mass carriers? dies before then...void rays? fungal..phoenixes? fungal

unfortunately lings are really strong and cheap against stalkers
FlyingTurtle
Profile Joined February 2012
United States248 Posts
November 30 2012 21:18 GMT
#1249
On December 01 2012 06:16 Hypemeup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:13 Adreme wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:11 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:09 Hypemeup wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:08 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:04 Derrida wrote:
To be honest, I thought Hero played close to optimal for a protoss who did not resort to immortal-sentry. Kill the morphing in greater spire, pushing, constant prism harrass, two good vortex... Not sure how he lost. Any insights?


Terrible engagements and weak army comp. That vortex on all the broods at Violet's 4th should have won Hero the game, but he threw the rest of his units in and pushed the archons out of the center. Plus, he didn't have enough AoE (not enough archons and storm) in the engagement at his forward expansion. To anyone who says storm sucks against Broodlords, watch Squirtle vs Mvp...if storms can kill 500-hp battlecruisers, they can kill 225-hp broodlords.


Feedback was what killed MvPs BCs, storms were just the finishing touch.


Lmfao even a feedback on a full energy BC leaves it with 250 HP (25 more than a broodlord).


It was a combination of feedback,archon splash storm and then just finishing off the red health bc's.


So which of those things aren't present in the PvZ comp? Oh,right, none. As much as I like Hero, it's obvious that he misplaed that.


You neglect the high # of voidrays that squirtle had, and voidrays are insane vs BCs but PvZ fungal makes them useless.


Watch the game again, notice how the Voids did nothing but clean up 4-5 BCs. Granted, Mvp failed to split the BCs properly, but Violet also made the same mistake in the engage at his 4th.
"This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history." -Samir Duran, on the Hybrid
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 21:18:52
November 30 2012 21:18 GMT
#1250
On December 01 2012 06:17 UnholyRai wrote:
Zerg sure has come a looong way since being the de facto weakest race in the first gsl (even though funnily enough they actually won that tourny too) :D



They were only really weak due to the pretty garbage map pool.
On December 01 2012 06:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:16 Hypemeup wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:13 Adreme wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:11 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:09 Hypemeup wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:08 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:04 Derrida wrote:
To be honest, I thought Hero played close to optimal for a protoss who did not resort to immortal-sentry. Kill the morphing in greater spire, pushing, constant prism harrass, two good vortex... Not sure how he lost. Any insights?


Terrible engagements and weak army comp. That vortex on all the broods at Violet's 4th should have won Hero the game, but he threw the rest of his units in and pushed the archons out of the center. Plus, he didn't have enough AoE (not enough archons and storm) in the engagement at his forward expansion. To anyone who says storm sucks against Broodlords, watch Squirtle vs Mvp...if storms can kill 500-hp battlecruisers, they can kill 225-hp broodlords.


Feedback was what killed MvPs BCs, storms were just the finishing touch.


Lmfao even a feedback on a full energy BC leaves it with 250 HP (25 more than a broodlord).


It was a combination of feedback,archon splash storm and then just finishing off the red health bc's.


So which of those things aren't present in the PvZ comp? Oh,right, none. As much as I like Hero, it's obvious that he misplaed that.


You neglect the high # of voidrays that squirtle had, and voidrays are insane vs BCs but PvZ fungal makes them useless.


Watch the game again, notice how the Voids did nothing but clean up 4-5 BCs. Granted, Mvp failed to split the BCs properly, but Violet also made the same mistake in the engage at his 4th.


The voids killed way more than 4-5 BCs, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 21:18:37
November 30 2012 21:18 GMT
#1251
On December 01 2012 06:17 UnholyRai wrote:
Zerg sure has come a looong way since being the de facto weakest race in the first gsl (even though funnily enough they actually won that tourny too) :D



If you watch VoDs of the first GSL the level of play was so bad that I would say many pepole on TL could have competed for that championship.

Edit: Based on the level of play the TL user has now of course.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
November 30 2012 21:18 GMT
#1252
On December 01 2012 06:16 _Galad_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:07 Undead1993 wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:04 Derrida wrote:
To be honest, I thought Hero played close to optimal for a protoss who did not resort to immortal-sentry. Kill the morphing in greater spire, pushing, constant prism harrass, two good vortex... Not sure how he lost. Any insights?

The last two vortexes were awful, did you even watch the game. this wasl ike the worst engagement ever sorry i love hero but this was simply a thrown game with this engagement.

1st Vortex: Mothership was fungaled so he had to use it.
2nd Vortex: Was done because it was about to die.

But just think for a moment if it's logical that one ability is mandatory for one race to be able to win. It's either this or nothing. Doesn't make any sense to me.

You have templars they are supposed to feedback in such situations even if you show the templar the zerg has to evacuate the infestors and cant fungle the mothership anymore. feedback is underused by koreans in my opinion. they use also storm in infestors it isn't making any sense to me seriously, this ability is just made to eliminate infestors and ghosts.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 30 2012 21:19 GMT
#1253
On December 01 2012 06:17 Laryleprakon wrote:
I really wonder how much these GSL semi finalists have practiced other match ups, winning IPL is nice but GSL is GSL.

I wouldn't be surprised if all of them are completely winging their vP since it means nothing to them in the GSL.
Glorious SEA doto
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 30 2012 21:20 GMT
#1254
On December 01 2012 06:18 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:16 _Galad_ wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:07 Undead1993 wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:04 Derrida wrote:
To be honest, I thought Hero played close to optimal for a protoss who did not resort to immortal-sentry. Kill the morphing in greater spire, pushing, constant prism harrass, two good vortex... Not sure how he lost. Any insights?

The last two vortexes were awful, did you even watch the game. this wasl ike the worst engagement ever sorry i love hero but this was simply a thrown game with this engagement.

1st Vortex: Mothership was fungaled so he had to use it.
2nd Vortex: Was done because it was about to die.

But just think for a moment if it's logical that one ability is mandatory for one race to be able to win. It's either this or nothing. Doesn't make any sense to me.

You have templars they are supposed to feedback in such situations even if you show the templar the zerg has to evacuate the infestors and cant fungle the mothership anymore. feedback is underused by koreans in my opinion. they use also storm in infestors it isn't making any sense to me seriously, this ability is just made to eliminate infestors and ghosts.


If feedback and emp actually prevented double digit infestors to fungle stuff, we would all be pretty happy.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Gesarjack
Profile Joined June 2012
Switzerland117 Posts
November 30 2012 21:20 GMT
#1255
On December 01 2012 06:12 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:04 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:01 mambar wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:00 Serinox wrote:
Poor HerO better play but was not enough

ok...

Denies 5th base forever while getting his own. Snipes greater spire. Kills tons of drones with storm drops etc.

He really couldn't have played any better....


*And keeps making t1 units. It'd be fun to see a zerg be 2 bases ahead of a protoss and only make t1 units then complain that he lost.


That's because a zerg complaining about anything right now is automatically funny.
You've got to have trolls under bridges. Otherwise, what's it all about?
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
November 30 2012 21:20 GMT
#1256
On December 01 2012 06:18 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:17 UnholyRai wrote:
Zerg sure has come a looong way since being the de facto weakest race in the first gsl (even though funnily enough they actually won that tourny too) :D



If you watch VoDs of the first GSL the level of play was so bad that I would say many pepole on TL could have competed for that championship.

Edit: Based on the level of play the TL user has now of course.


i remember foxer ghost/nuke rushing a zerg on lost temple high ground. lol
Gogo Grubby.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
November 30 2012 21:20 GMT
#1257
On December 01 2012 06:18 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:16 _Galad_ wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:07 Undead1993 wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:04 Derrida wrote:
To be honest, I thought Hero played close to optimal for a protoss who did not resort to immortal-sentry. Kill the morphing in greater spire, pushing, constant prism harrass, two good vortex... Not sure how he lost. Any insights?

The last two vortexes were awful, did you even watch the game. this wasl ike the worst engagement ever sorry i love hero but this was simply a thrown game with this engagement.

1st Vortex: Mothership was fungaled so he had to use it.
2nd Vortex: Was done because it was about to die.

But just think for a moment if it's logical that one ability is mandatory for one race to be able to win. It's either this or nothing. Doesn't make any sense to me.

You have templars they are supposed to feedback in such situations even if you show the templar the zerg has to evacuate the infestors and cant fungle the mothership anymore. feedback is underused by koreans in my opinion. they use also storm in infestors it isn't making any sense to me seriously, this ability is just made to eliminate infestors and ghosts.


fungal outranges feedback so i'm assuming after thousands of practicing they don't rely on feedback...they use storm more for just zoning the infestors out I believe
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
November 30 2012 21:20 GMT
#1258
Life is up 1-0 vs. Snute.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
November 30 2012 21:21 GMT
#1259
Hmm, I kind of like Sniper's play. Reminds me of DRG from the good old days.
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
November 30 2012 21:21 GMT
#1260
800 APM?
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