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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 22 2012 21:53 GMT
#2641
Players on the same team should always play eachother in the first matches.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
November 22 2012 21:53 GMT
#2642
On November 23 2012 06:52 Schelim wrote:
meh, how are you really gonna prove someone threw a match unless they just straight up leave for no reason (and even then you could point to idra).


Did you watch the game ? It was like watching a qualifying newbye trying out stuff.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
November 22 2012 21:53 GMT
#2643
I always wondered how useful the carapace ground upgrade actually is for zerg when protoss is usually very stalker heavy or has high damage aoe units like templars archons or colossi. Wouldn't it be better to invest that gas into a quicker hive?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
November 22 2012 21:53 GMT
#2644
On November 23 2012 06:50 Talin wrote:
I don't see why you wouldn't use the advantage of having 2 players in the same group, but meh.

What if certain players in similar positions just start trading maps just because they're friends?

It obviously goes against 'the spirit of competition'. Getting charity wins is not a good thing :/.
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 21:54:48
November 22 2012 21:54 GMT
#2645
How do players feel about the potential conflict of interest where team mates have such an influence on how their team mates might progress through a group stage like this one?

Edit: I don't mean to question anyone's professionalism.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
November 22 2012 21:54 GMT
#2646
HerO playing real good right now.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
November 22 2012 21:54 GMT
#2647
On November 23 2012 06:53 Fjodorov wrote:
Players on the same team should always play eachother in the first matches.


GSL actually does this in U&Ds, for this exact reason.
rems
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands186 Posts
November 22 2012 21:54 GMT
#2648
Good to see HerO plays this out like he is capable of. The amount of shit going down if he loses this game in the same way he lost #2 would be humongous.
Roybs
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands500 Posts
November 22 2012 21:54 GMT
#2649
On November 23 2012 06:52 Roybs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:49 Roybs wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:46 Roybs wrote:

Game 3 (P)HerO vs (Z)Ret on Daybreak
Hero bottom left, Ret top right.
0:00

Forge first for HerO
Pool first for Ret, 15 hatch for Ret
3rd hatch for Ret.

5:00
+1 Weapons and 1 gas for HerO
Sneaky probe got spotted by an Overlord, Hero adding 3 more gateways
Hero going for +1 4gate at 7:20, ling speed for Ret at 7:35
Pylon going up for Hero at Ret's 3rd while Ret gets his lair and Roach warren at 8:00
Ret making tons of lings, Hero at home chrono'ing his gates and making more probes. Ret throws away his zerglings at the zealots, loses his 3rd.

10:00
Robo and twilight down for Hero, Ret going for roach speed and evo
Hero researches Blink and +2, going for his own 3rd
Ret remaking his 3rd
Hero adding few gateways
Ret +1 missile and infestation pit, makes a lot of lings and roaches to push Hero's 3rd, which is trying to get up.
Ret surrounding Hero but Hero's FF are too good.
+1 melee and the infestor energy upgrade (dunno how to spell it so :c)
13:00
4th base for Ret in the middle, Hero adding immortals
+1 armour for Ret while making drones & infestors.
Warp prism for Hero and +3 attack on 30%

15:00
Pushing Ret's 4th, Ret only has lings and infestors, loses his 4th base.
+2 melee for Ret
Hero attacking into Ret's 3rd.

Ret GG's and loses 2-1 to HerO!
Kikiwoelmuis <3
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
November 22 2012 21:54 GMT
#2650
now that's more like HerO
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
November 22 2012 21:55 GMT
#2651
GG HerOBrO!
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 21:57:00
November 22 2012 21:55 GMT
#2652
On November 23 2012 06:50 broodmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:49 Dexington wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:48 broodmann wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:45 Lylat wrote:
I can't even imagine the shitstorm it would have been if this involved any other team than TL lol


Well you can look at the Lonestar Clash 2 thread where Stephano played extremly poorly vs Idra raising questions whether he threw it to to save his teammate from elimnation as well as to avoid playing Rain.


BWC


Yea thx, BWC, I got them confused


Honestly, I didn't get that vibe from the Stephano vs IdrA games, but then again I figured that IdrA probably had a pretty good chance of winning. ZvZ is his best matchup by quite a lot right now. The BWC stuff just seemed like upset Stephano fanboys.

This situation was entirely different. Hero moved out with an army that had no chance of doing anything except dying. Then he lost 11 Sentries to 25 Zerglings.
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
November 22 2012 21:55 GMT
#2653
On November 23 2012 06:53 aTnClouD wrote:
I always wondered how useful the carapace ground upgrade actually is for zerg when protoss is usually very stalker heavy or has high damage aoe units like templars archons or colossi. Wouldn't it be better to invest that gas into a quicker hive?

It's really good against stalker heavy compositions because you want lots of lings against it and +2 stalkers 3-shot lings instead of 4-shotting them. Carapace ups are huge against that
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 22 2012 21:55 GMT
#2654
On November 23 2012 06:53 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:52 Schelim wrote:
meh, how are you really gonna prove someone threw a match unless they just straight up leave for no reason (and even then you could point to idra).


Did you watch the game ? It was like watching a qualifying newbye trying out stuff.


i admittedly did not, i was in the shower at the time. still though, yeah we can all say we basically know what's happened, but how are you gonna prove it. maybe he just had a massive brainfart.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
November 22 2012 21:55 GMT
#2655
On November 23 2012 06:54 rems wrote:
Good to see HerO plays this out like he is capable of. The amount of shit going down if he loses this game in the same way he lost #2 would be humongous.


He shouldn't have even risked it. Always play to win.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
November 22 2012 21:55 GMT
#2656
Now that HerO won game 3, thee won't be as big of a shitstorm... eventually people will forget about game 2.
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
November 22 2012 21:56 GMT
#2657
Ohhh, cancelling the +1 ranged, awesome.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
November 22 2012 21:56 GMT
#2658
On November 23 2012 06:50 Talin wrote:
I don't see why you wouldn't use the advantage of having 2 players in the same group, but meh.


Being on the same team ought to be arbitrary in a solo tournament. Any 'favours' are going to be disruptive to the integrity of the competition no matter how advantageous they are. Personally I see no difference between throwing a game for a teammate and throwing a game for money. Both are unacceptable and have no place in this game.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
November 22 2012 21:57 GMT
#2659
On November 23 2012 06:55 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:53 Godwrath wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:52 Schelim wrote:
meh, how are you really gonna prove someone threw a match unless they just straight up leave for no reason (and even then you could point to idra).


Did you watch the game ? It was like watching a qualifying newbye trying out stuff.


i admittedly did not, i was in the shower at the time. still though, yeah we can all say we basically know what's happened, but how are you gonna prove it. maybe he just had a massive brainfart.

There is no need to prove the obvious; this is no court and no one gets sentenced, but everyone saw he threw the map.
Mimi :D
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany148 Posts
November 22 2012 21:57 GMT
#2660
On November 23 2012 06:55 Entirety wrote:
Now that HerO won game 3, thee won't be as big of a shitstorm... eventually people will forget about game 2.

ppl wont forget, if ret gets out of the group cause of one map advantage ^^
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