EPT[WCS] Global Finals Day 1 - Page 19
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Rewera
Poland354 Posts
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
On November 16 2012 15:05 VanSCPurge wrote: I would like to point out, for the record, that this is not true. His ZvT is good, but historically, IdrA's strongest matchup is actually ZvZ. And, while he may not advance out of his group, I find it highly unlikely that he will be eliminated without taking a single map. Look at all of his recent tournaments. You can count on 1 hand the number of times he loses a series without at least taking a map. People underrate him because he hasn't won any major tournaments in 2012, but he is still quite skilled. His ZvZ is much better than Stephano's, and might be just as good as RorO's. I don't know if he can beat HerO or not, but that'll be an interesting series to watch. People rip on his ZvP, but he's improved it a lot over the course of 2012. For the record: I like IdrA, but I'm no mindless fanboy. I'm just tired of people acting like he completely sucks just because he hasn't won anything huge in the last year. He has done well, he just hasn't managed 1st place. Thanks for the laugh. There is nothing in this game IdrA does better than Stephano. . Besides rage. | ||
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GHSTxJet
United States154 Posts
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Noc-
Finland850 Posts
y u no take place somewhere else? | ||
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Rewera
Poland354 Posts
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parker-
Germany285 Posts
I'm the grandmaster! | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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VanSCPurge
United States169 Posts
Thanks for the laugh. There is nothing in this game IdrA does better than Stephano. . Besides rage Good job implying someone else to be biased, and then following it up with a statement that blatantly exposes your own. I was actually a big fan of SeleCT before he quit SC2. I like IdrA but he is far from my favorite player. It's just sickening to see the amount of hate he gets, 99% of which has no logical foundation whatsoever. I like Stephano, I think he's an innovator. But there are 2 things IdrA has over him. 1) Mechanics (Stephano himself has said that he doesn't believe his mechanics are that good) 2) ZvZ. Stephano's ZvZ is ok, but IdrA's is good. Good beats ok. That's not to say Stephano couldn't easily win, ZvZ can be pretty coinflippy at times. | ||
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WeedRa
Germany815 Posts
On November 17 2012 03:41 parker- wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyF27sNQzuI I'm the grandmaster! LOL! damn, in the middle of the night but well i'm ill till wednesday at least so i think about sleeping from 1-4 and then get up early to watch the shit out of the streams :D | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On November 17 2012 04:05 VanSCPurge wrote: Good job implying someone else to be biased, and then following it up with a statement that blatantly exposes your own. I was actually a big fan of SeleCT before he quit SC2. I like IdrA but he is far from my favorite player. It's just sickening to see the amount of hate he gets, 99% of which has no logical foundation whatsoever. I like Stephano, I think he's an innovator. But there are 2 things IdrA has over him. 1) Mechanics (Stephano himself has said that he doesn't believe his mechanics are that good) 2) ZvZ. Stephano's ZvZ is ok, but IdrA's is good. Good beats ok. That's not to say Stephano couldn't easily win, ZvZ can be pretty coinflippy at times. mechanics are overrated in SC2 with its easier macro mechanics imo in SC2, there's a macro threshold you need to meet to be good enough at the pro level, then it comes down to strategy, army control, decision making, and micro when you look at the top SC2 players, the thing that makes them distinct is rarely their macro. it's how they use their units or ability to make the right decisions whether it's through timing, multitask, or positioning and you're overrating Idra's ZvZ | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Of course, IdrA himself knows how well they match up now that they're on the same team, but 1-2 months ago, which was when I last saw IdrA play in a tournament, his mechanics were worse than Stephano's. To understand Stephano's success, you have to understand two things: First, he is one of the fastest players in the world. His average shown APM in tournament settings is in the 300-400 range, and his multi-tasking is one of his biggest advantages over his opponents. Second, Stephano spends a lot of his APM on army control, which is why you see him missing an inject / creep spread from time to time. This isn't because he's incapable of creep spreading / injecting; it's because he chooses to prioritize army control over those things, which is why he gets great engagements. Frankly, I don't think there's anything IdrA has over Stephano at this time. But I'm hoping IdrA shows me wrong nonetheless. | ||
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Inzan1ty
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VanSCPurge
United States169 Posts
and you're overrating Idra's ZvZ Not really. His ZvZ IS good, you can't really deny that. Stephano's ZvZ is kinda average. I expect IdrA to get beat handily by RorO, but his matches against HerO and Stephano should be interesting. (If only because HerO has been struggling lately vs Zerg and Stephano's ZvZ is lackluster) Also, this: when you look at the top SC2 players, the thing that makes them distinct is rarely their macro Rarely, for sure. But some players are known for their macro, however few they may be. IdrA is one of them. He consistently shows up to fights with a handful more units than his opponents, or a slightly bigger bank because he maxed a little sooner, etc. His decision making and his unit control is not on the same level as someone like Stephano, but his mechanics and his macro are a little better. Second, Stephano spends a lot of his APM on army control, which is why you see him missing an inject / creep spread from time to time. This isn't because he's incapable of creep spreading / injecting; it's because he chooses to prioritize army control over those things, which is why he gets great engagements. This, I agree with this 100%. I just feel like IdrA, instead of prioritizing army control, prioritizes injects, creep spread, and general macro. It's a different style of Zerg. Unit Control Stephano > IdrA. But macro IdrA > Stephano. It will be a great series for sure. I'm not actually denying that I think he has a really good chance of being eliminated right away, I just don't agree with what those other people were saying about him getting swept without taking a single map. The only 2-0 he was dealt at the last MLG was at the hands of Soulkey, who just made Code S Ro8 by beating Life 4-0. | ||
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
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shin ken
Germany614 Posts
then it's gonna be a 34 Hour stint until the end of the tournament but I'm used to that ^^ (LAN practice) | ||
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Deckard_Cain
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HyunA
Romania362 Posts
kinda hard waking up at 3am and staying up all night :/ thx | ||
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pmp10
3396 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:08 HyunA wrote: is there going to be a rebroadcast for the europeans? kinda hard waking up at 3am and staying up all night :/ thx Nope. No DVR function either. But they are promising to get VODs up within few hours. | ||
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loginn
France815 Posts
On November 17 2012 04:39 VanSCPurge wrote: Not really. His ZvZ IS good, you can't really deny that. Stephano's ZvZ is kinda average. I expect IdrA to get beat handily by RorO, but his matches against HerO and Stephano should be interesting. (If only because HerO has been struggling lately vs Zerg and Stephano's ZvZ is lackluster) Also, this: Rarely, for sure. But some players are known for their macro, however few they may be. IdrA is one of them. He consistently shows up to fights with a handful more units than his opponents, or a slightly bigger bank because he maxed a little sooner, etc. His decision making and his unit control is not on the same level as someone like Stephano, but his mechanics and his macro are a little better. This, I agree with this 100%. I just feel like IdrA, instead of prioritizing army control, prioritizes injects, creep spread, and general macro. It's a different style of Zerg. Unit Control Stephano > IdrA. But macro IdrA > Stephano. It will be a great series for sure. I'm not actually denying that I think he has a really good chance of being eliminated right away, I just don't agree with what those other people were saying about him getting swept without taking a single map. The only 2-0 he was dealt at the last MLG was at the hands of Soulkey, who just made Code S Ro8 by beating Life 4-0. Well Stephano has been working on his ZvZ quite a lot recently. In his WCS Europe run, he had a lot of ZvZ to play with players as good as Idra is and did not drop a map until he played against Vortix. I'm actually expecting Stephano to beat IdrA pretty easily if they meet. | ||
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