i think IM can throw enough protosses at life to take him out (i think life can beat most of IM otherwise) and Ohana's still around. although maybe parting gave life some special anti-wonwonwon tips?
This is for sure the highest level possible clan match at the moment. Startale and IM are both doing quite well. MVP and Life rematch? So hype for this.
On October 27 2012 12:57 Dodgin wrote: I wonder if IM is going to start playing more Terran heavy since Yoda and Happy are consistently Code S these days.
I think most people would agree their Protoss lineup is the strongest right now, even though besides Seed they are all in Code A/B.
oh lol, this starts in one hour? didnt see it in the tl calender..
anyway, this is awesome. their first round match was epic, and these two teams have the most stacked line-ups. very promising. my dream match would be mvp vs life, but i guess everybody wants to see that.
On October 27 2012 14:08 Dodgin wrote: cant blame people for not knowing this was happening this match was delayed like 3 times and was supposed to be played a month ago
no excuse for being terrible human beings who want SC2 to die
On October 27 2012 14:08 Dodgin wrote: cant blame people for not knowing this was happening this match was delayed like 3 times and was supposed to be played a month ago
On October 27 2012 14:22 Mackus wrote: Who decides on the first map? Antiga being used up already could bite someone in the ass later when someone urgently needs taking out.
What build is this? New PvP meta? Never saw that FE build before. I'm one of those old school PvP players who thinks expanding before 12 minutes is suicide :p
On October 27 2012 14:48 Mackus wrote: I wonder if Parting will try the Mini Phoenix build he failed at in Up/Downs or his standard 2-base Templar he was known for
that wasn't really the mini phoenix build, it was more of a starport counter build
On October 27 2012 15:02 tylerf wrote: Can anyone give a quick recap on the 1st game?
Both went mirror sentry immortal expansions. First played normally, Parting did a hidden double starge (aka the Soul Plane). Parting kills 25 probes. Spends next 20 minutes almost throwing the match before he wins with a mothership.
That little time when the small force + 1 colossus was chasing down the bio made me think "wow it would be awesome if all engagements had more interesting micro". Was just an interesting period in the game there imo.
Why didnt Yonghwa start? I guess he has a 5-0 all kill and a 5-1 all kill. are they going to give him a 5-2 this week and keep going until he completes the cycle?
On October 27 2012 15:09 Shellshock1122 wrote: Why didnt Yonghwa start? I guess he has a 5-0 all kill and a 5-1 all kill. are they going to give him a 5-2 this week and keep going until he completes the cycle?
No MVP? I think startale has got this. The team is just so solid, I think Yonghwa and Seed will be there biggest roadblocks but none of LG-IM are slouches. Parting is also doing really well so far.
On October 27 2012 15:13 Goshdarnit wrote: No MVP? I think startale has got this. The team is just so solid, I think Yonghwa and Seed will be there biggest roadblocks but none of LG-IM are slouches. Parting is also doing really well so far.
He's in China, not that he's ever been strong in GSTL anyway.
Khaldor, I think by now we can all agree that Wolf's analysis of progamer hair is very significant and to say you don't care about it clearly hurts esports. j/k
I thought for sure at the very least he would do an all-in to bypass the immortal/sentry. Why would you try out your defense of an incredibly powerful build when you have a choice in what match-up to play.
That feeling when I have been out of the loop for so long that I don't know what people are talking about when they mean "soul" in conjunction with Parting.
On October 27 2012 15:28 eviltomahawk wrote: That feeling when I have been out of the loop for so long that I don't know what people are talking about when they mean "soul" in conjunction with Parting.
On October 27 2012 15:29 ladyumbra wrote: Would losira have won that if he didn't do the second runby and just fought at the spines guarding his natural with that army?
I can't really be sad about Parting winning even if i was rooting for losira, I like him too much to rage over it or anything.
Not really.
It is always better to counterattack to force toss unit to warp unit back at home.
Trying to fight the WonWonWon build head on is suicide. If Toss is good in FFs,you are fucked.
On October 27 2012 15:29 ladyumbra wrote: Would losira have won that if he didn't do the second runby and just fought at the spines guarding his natural with that army?
I can't really be sad about Parting winning even if i was rooting for losira, I like him too much to rage over it or anything.
100% (he also needed to reposition one spine), even not sending the 4 roaches in the counter might have been enough rofl
On October 27 2012 15:29 ladyumbra wrote: Would losira have won that if he didn't do the second runby and just fought at the spines guarding his natural with that army?
I can't really be sad about Parting winning even if i was rooting for losira, I like him too much to rage over it or anything.
Not really.
It is always better to counterattack to force toss unit to warp unit back at home.
Trying to fight the WonWonWon build head on is suicide. If Toss is good in FFs,you are fucked.
Unless the toss can't afford warp-ins cos you killed all his shit =p
On October 27 2012 15:29 ladyumbra wrote: Would losira have won that if he didn't do the second runby and just fought at the spines guarding his natural with that army?
I can't really be sad about Parting winning even if i was rooting for losira, I like him too much to rage over it or anything.
Would've won if he targetted the Warp Prism that was warping in NEXT to his 2 queens.
On October 27 2012 15:29 ladyumbra wrote: Would losira have won that if he didn't do the second runby and just fought at the spines guarding his natural with that army?
I can't really be sad about Parting winning even if i was rooting for losira, I like him too much to rage over it or anything.
Yes i do think so though perhaps he should have let the 3th go without fighting for it, have 1 runby do some eco damage and just mass up. Then again the chokes are very small and easy to forcefield off, no idea why IM coach chose that map for Losira.
On October 27 2012 15:30 Soyuz wrote: MC looking a bit on the chubby side as of late
There are probably several reasons for it.
1. He pretty much lives on a plane nowadays. Can't exercise on a plane, and when you aren't on a plane, you're too exhausted from the travel to exercise anyway. 2. He has a girlfriend, so he has no one to impress. 3. He has lots of money and is loving his life.
On October 27 2012 15:28 eviltomahawk wrote: That feeling when I have been out of the loop for so long that I don't know what people are talking about when they mean "soul" in conjunction with Parting.
On October 27 2012 15:28 eviltomahawk wrote: That feeling when I have been out of the loop for so long that I don't know what people are talking about when they mean "soul" in conjunction with Parting.
Read his Up/Down winner's interview.
Ohhh....
I see, I see. Parting is oozing with personality.
Impossible! He's just another korean; therefore, faceless!!!! D:!!! right?
On October 27 2012 15:30 Soyuz wrote: MC looking a bit on the chubby side as of late
There are probably several reasons for it.
1. He pretty much lives on a plane nowadays. Can't exercise on a plane, and when you aren't on a plane, you're too exhausted from the travel to exercise anyway. 2. He has a girlfriend, so he has no one to impress. 3. He has lots of money and is loving his life.
It's kind of a bitch move to start getting fat and letting yourself go once you get into a committed relationship IMO, but MC's a boss so he can do what he wants xD
On October 27 2012 15:28 eviltomahawk wrote: That feeling when I have been out of the loop for so long that I don't know what people are talking about when they mean "soul" in conjunction with Parting.
Read his Up/Down winner's interview.
Ohhh....
I see, I see. Parting is oozing with personality.
Impossible! He's just another korean; therefore, faceless!!!! D:!!! right?
When robots get souls, do they become human or are they still machines?
On October 27 2012 15:28 eviltomahawk wrote: That feeling when I have been out of the loop for so long that I don't know what people are talking about when they mean "soul" in conjunction with Parting.
Read his Up/Down winner's interview.
Ohhh....
I see, I see. Parting is oozing with personality.
Impossible! He's just another korean; therefore, faceless!!!! D:!!! right?
When robots get souls, do they become human or are they still machines?
Thing is that Yonghwa all-killed when he wasn't under the pressure of being the last player. Wonder if he can play his best under the additional pressure?
On October 27 2012 15:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: PvP of the year
HuK vs. Naniwa on Antiga at MLG Columbus #1
Though I'm biased because I was standing behind HuK during it... still, so amazing.
Wasnt that the one that came down to 1 stalker vs like 2 zealots and 2 probes?
Yeah Naniwa micro'd his stalker in HuK's base for like 5 straight minutes. I think when the stalker finally went down HuK only had 1 probe and 2 zealots, Naniwa got greedy and chased the probe too far resulting in his defeat.
So strange. Yonghwa's DT attack actually caused him to lose because he killed his opponents workers. After that attack he needed to sac 20-40 probes to bolster his army. Such a stupid matchup.
On October 27 2012 16:12 tuho12345 wrote: Very good decision by Parting to counter attack instantly imo. He knew what the harassment was over and Younghwa probably didn't have anything left.
what ? Army was even atleast, that was a great DT attack outplaying Parting, then Parting goes in get's a slight better concave and the game is over.
On October 27 2012 16:12 tuho12345 wrote: Very good decision by Parting to counter attack instantly imo. He knew what the harassment was over and Younghwa probably didn't have anything left.
what ? Army was even atleast, that was a great DT attack outplaying Parting, then Parting goes in get's a slight better concave and the game is over.
The "great DT attack" that outplayed Parting let him make a whole bunch of extra units and go kill him
On October 27 2012 16:12 tuho12345 wrote: Very good decision by Parting to counter attack instantly imo. He knew what the harassment was over and Younghwa probably didn't have anything left.
what ? Army was even atleast, that was a great DT attack outplaying Parting, then Parting goes in get's a slight better concave and the game is over.
On October 27 2012 16:14 Plexa wrote: So strange. Yonghwa's DT attack actually caused him to lose because he killed his opponents workers. After that attack he needed to sac 20-40 probes to bolster his army. Such a stupid matchup.
Agreed. I was about to say that Parting losing so much econ to the DT attack was a blessing in disguise because the final Colossus deathball battle in PvP is so important, you might as well just sac all your workers, get a 200/200 deathball, and crush your opponent because the smaller waves of reinforcements that your opponent can warp in from his econ advantage will just melt to the overwhelming amount of units you have left from the big deathball battle.
On October 27 2012 16:14 Plexa wrote: So strange. Yonghwa's DT attack actually caused him to lose because he killed his opponents workers. After that attack he needed to sac 20-40 probes to bolster his army. Such a stupid matchup.
Not quite...? The way I see it, if that was really the case, then Yonghwa shouldn't have maintained such a high probe count for precisely the reason you mentioned (lower available supply for army due to 200 total supply cap).
But I don't think that's what tripped him up. I believe Yonghwa also sent a stalker force to kill workers at Parting's bottom right base, and he needed those stalkers as part of his army. Secondly, Yonghwa looked like he didn't have a high enough gateway count (or second robo?) to be able to replenish his army quickly enough, especially after Parting began to engage and walked up to his natural.
On October 27 2012 16:12 tuho12345 wrote: Very good decision by Parting to counter attack instantly imo. He knew what the harassment was over and Younghwa probably didn't have anything left.
what ? Army was even atleast, that was a great DT attack outplaying Parting, then Parting goes in get's a slight better concave and the game is over.
On October 27 2012 16:15 Orek wrote: Wait, does this mean that new PvP metagame could become suiciding your like 20-30 workers so that you can have better army supply for "timing attack"?
On October 27 2012 16:14 Plexa wrote: So strange. Yonghwa's DT attack actually caused him to lose because he killed his opponents workers. After that attack he needed to sac 20-40 probes to bolster his army. Such a stupid matchup.
However yonghwa's army was way out of position. In PvP when it gets to the 3+base vs 3+base situation you always ... always have to be ready for the max-out counter attack.
On October 27 2012 16:12 tuho12345 wrote: Very good decision by Parting to counter attack instantly imo. He knew what the harassment was over and Younghwa probably didn't have anything left.
what ? Army was even atleast, that was a great DT attack outplaying Parting, then Parting goes in get's a slight better concave and the game is over.
Actually I think Parting had more archons and tankers for colossi and I'm just saying his decision was so good because if he delayed it for a few more second he would have lost the game already.
On October 27 2012 16:12 tuho12345 wrote: Very good decision by Parting to counter attack instantly imo. He knew what the harassment was over and Younghwa probably didn't have anything left.
what ? Army was even atleast, that was a great DT attack outplaying Parting, then Parting goes in get's a slight better concave and the game is over.
Actually I think Parting had more archons and tankers for colossi and I'm just saying his decision was so good because if he delayed it for a few more second he would have lost the game already.
Yes i did not count in the workers Parting lost, wich he replaces by army. Still He had the better concave and rolled from there, nothing to stop it after.
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
I feel bad for the IM guys but Parting really was on fire tonight and he's too cute to get angry at. My only issue with all kills is you don't get to see the rest of the winning team play and startale is my third fav team, I wanted to at least see Bomber and Life tonight
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
LosirA on Entombed was kinda strange.
not really, he knew Parting was going to do an immortal sentry and that map is better for defending it than most others.
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
LosirA on Entombed was kinda strange.
Yeah, that was weird. I can only imagine LosirA did have something planned, but maybe his Protoss practice partners couldn't execute the all-in as well as Parting could due to lack of soul.
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
LosirA on Entombed was kinda strange.
Probably assumed that PartinG wouldn't practise vZ on that map, considering no Zerg would've chose it against him/Protoss.
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
LosirA on Entombed was kinda strange.
not really, he knew Parting was going to do an immortal sentry and that map is better for defending it than most others.
To me it feels that map is fantastic to forcefield off, though i don't know perhaps LosirA indeed knew what was gonne happen and his practice partners perform it slightly less or differend as mentioned here.
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
LosirA on Entombed was kinda strange.
not really, he knew Parting was going to do an immortal sentry and that map is better for defending it than most others.
Not sure why zergs aren't just hard countering Parting with 2 base muta.
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
LosirA on Entombed was kinda strange.
not really, he knew Parting was going to do an immortal sentry and that map is better for defending it than most others.
Not sure why zergs aren't just hard countering Parting with 2 base muta.
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
LosirA on Entombed was kinda strange.
not really, he knew Parting was going to do an immortal sentry and that map is better for defending it than most others.
Not sure why zergs aren't just hard countering Parting with 2 base muta.
The base trade doesn't always work in the zerg's favor.
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
LosirA on Entombed was kinda strange.
not really, he knew Parting was going to do an immortal sentry and that map is better for defending it than most others.
Not sure why zergs aren't just hard countering Parting with 2 base muta.
I have this image of Parting going "fuck it" and stomping to the Zerg base and kicking the door down anyways.
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
LosirA on Entombed was kinda strange.
not really, he knew Parting was going to do an immortal sentry and that map is better for defending it than most others.
Not sure why zergs aren't just hard countering Parting with 2 base muta.
The base trade doesn't always work in the zerg's favor.
Don't need to base trade. You can kill the army straight head on because most of the resources are on spend on prism, sentries, immortal. The first sets of stalkers don't get warp in until they are close to your base. You just target down prism, then stalkers.
The interview for this GSTL will be awesome. Buying everyone pizza. Trying to sit on the IM bench. Using the two gate proxy and winning. And who could forget the won won won against Losira. Parting has completed his full troll evolution.
parting is truly the ultimate ceremonist atm, especially with all the previos ceremony masters either stopping their ceremonies (MC and keen), or getting kicked out of GSL (ace)
On October 27 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote: there was nothing wrong with the lineup other than not playing Seed instead of MC, IM players just didn't deliver.
LosirA on Entombed was kinda strange.
not really, he knew Parting was going to do an immortal sentry and that map is better for defending it than most others.
Not sure why zergs aren't just hard countering Parting with 2 base muta.
The base trade doesn't always work in the zerg's favor.
Don't need to base trade. You can kill the army straight head on because most of the resources are on spend on prism, sentries, immortal. The first sets of stalkers don't get warp in until they are close to your base. You just target down prism, then stalkers.
First round of mutas barely comes out when that attack hits and 8-10 mutas wont kill 8 sentries (infinite guardian),5 stalkers and warp prism. It can not work until protoss doesnt fuck something up.
I find the lineups IM manages to lose with fascinating. No other team can send out that scary of a lineup, still have 8 GSL championships sitting on their bench, AND manage to lose the game. It's just silly.
On October 28 2012 05:46 rw_Wedge wrote: I find the lineups IM manages to lose with fascinating. No other team can send out that scary of a lineup, still have 8 GSL championships sitting on their bench, AND manage to lose the game. It's just silly.
On October 28 2012 05:46 rw_Wedge wrote: I find the lineups IM manages to lose with fascinating. No other team can send out that scary of a lineup, still have 8 GSL championships sitting on their bench, AND manage to lose the game. It's just silly.
On October 28 2012 05:46 rw_Wedge wrote: I find the lineups IM manages to lose with fascinating. No other team can send out that scary of a lineup, still have 8 GSL championships sitting on their bench, AND manage to lose the game. It's just silly.
On October 28 2012 05:46 rw_Wedge wrote: I find the lineups IM manages to lose with fascinating. No other team can send out that scary of a lineup, still have 8 GSL championships sitting on their bench, AND manage to lose the game. It's just silly.
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