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Poll: Who do you WANT to win?Oz (12) 63% Major (7) 37% 19 total votes Your vote: Who do you WANT to win? (Vote): Major
(Vote): Oz
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Poll: Who WILL win?Oz (12) 80% Major (3) 20% 15 total votes Your vote: Who WILL win? (Vote): Major
(Vote): Oz
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Poll: Who do you WANT to win?SoulKey (11) 73% sOo (4) 27% 15 total votes Your vote: Who do you WANT to win? (Vote): SoulKey
(Vote): sOo
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Poll: Who WILL win?SoulKey (9) 69% sOo (4) 31% 13 total votes Your vote: Who WILL win? (Vote): SoulKey
(Vote): sOo
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Still have to say it.. why did GOM remove Ohana from GSL?? Arghh
Split maps are possible but its never a turtlefest.. almost always action
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Oz tearing up foreigners.
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Wow Major might need to stop going for these early factory builds... Oz is stomping all over them! Great decision making by oz though. That warp prism and pylons over the map were perfect!
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If you're going to do it you might as well do it right and proxy everything.. Yesterday Alive went nuts with proxies against MVP and took him out (more of MVPs mistakes)
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Wow those are really... really fast double forge o.O
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Axel is right.. going for 3-3 was REALLY greedy. woulda been done at 16 min..
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On October 27 2012 08:44 stephenrau wrote:
Axel is right.. going for 3-3 was REALLY greedy. woulda been done at 16 min..
I think that won him the game in the end though. Major out micro'd oz in that last engagement by sniping the collosi and msot templar. but the gateway units where jsut to ostrong at 3-3 to 1-1
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On October 27 2012 08:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 08:44 stephenrau wrote:
Axel is right.. going for 3-3 was REALLY greedy. woulda been done at 16 min.. I think that won him the game in the end though. Major out micro'd oz in that last engagement by sniping the collosi and msot templar. but the gateway units where jsut to ostrong at 3-3 to 1-1
Yeah it turned out great but I thought for sure that Oz was doomed. Those upgrades are just 5 units maybe but I thought he needed it.
In other news, no one's talking about it MC is out of Code S.. he had the win.. after holding happy's allin, had a great lead after counter-attacking with lotsa immortals.. but Happy hit miracle EMPs.
I mainly bring it up, b/c I watch SO MUCH sc2.. i feel like i can usually call the action.. like ppl thought MC was in trouble but it seems like the counter immortal bust (after getting your natural nexus sniped by terran) always works.. seen it too many times..
So i thought oz was doomed but great hold.
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On October 27 2012 08:55 stephenrau wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 08:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On October 27 2012 08:44 stephenrau wrote:
Axel is right.. going for 3-3 was REALLY greedy. woulda been done at 16 min.. I think that won him the game in the end though. Major out micro'd oz in that last engagement by sniping the collosi and msot templar. but the gateway units where jsut to ostrong at 3-3 to 1-1 Yeah it turned out great but I thought for sure that Oz was doomed. Those upgrades are just 5 units maybe but I thought he needed it. In other news, no one's talking about it MC is out of Code S.. he had the win.. after holding happy's allin, had a great lead after counter-attacking with lotsa immortals.. but Happy hit miracle EMPs. I mainly bring it up, b/c I watch SO MUCH sc2.. i feel like i can usually call the action.. like ppl thought MC was in trouble but it seems like the counter immortal bust (after getting your natural nexus sniped by terran) always works.. seen it too many times.. So i thought oz was doomed but great hold.
Yea I thought he was in some serious trouble as well! And like you said usually in Sc2 you can tell when someone is dead/won't be able to hold etc. I actually missed the up/down games I checked the results though and being an MC fan I was really... really sad T.T
Oh shit Oz going for fast forges again.. god damn! Forges before the gates this time even!!! Last time he at least started the gates first lol.
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Since you know alot of SC2 (i'm just going nuts now but I'm newer) how in the world did Happy get to ro4.. It's yet another argument for me Stephano fan, that GSL is not the end all be all.
I become such a Happy antifan after Reality EMBARASSED him in Korea WCS. Reality was outmacroing the crap out of Happy being 30-50 supply ahead with NO engagements, equal bases etc.. it was sad.. like everyone at the time was scared shitless of Kespa..
Pissed me off at the time b/c i was so on the anti-elephant campaign (like Khaldor+wolf mostly) but now i'm more kespa than not..It's not just me.. looking at the GOM polls is hilarity when sometimes it's 90% for the esf dude. like even yugioh gets 50% vote lol.
Anyway yeah no MC really sucks.. he had that game.. I was gonna write in the LR i'd put major money that MC holds the final Happy allin.
And you reminded me the first 2 MC PvTs yesterday were supposed to be awesome.. I need to watch..
(he had sick phoenix play game 1)
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Wow WTF was that oz????? Use your collosi......
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On October 27 2012 09:02 stephenrau wrote:
Since you know alot of SC2 (i'm just going nuts now but I'm newer) how in the world did Happy get to ro4.. It's yet another argument for me Stephano fan, that GSL is not the end all be all.
I become such a Happy antifan after Reality EMBARASSED him in Korea WCS. Reality was outmacroing the crap out of Happy being 30-50 supply ahead with NO engagements, equal bases etc.. it was sad.. like everyone at the time was scared shitless of Kespa..
Pissed me off at the time b/c i was so on the anti-elephant campaign (like Khaldor+wolf mostly) but now i'm more kespa than not..It's not just me.. looking at the GOM polls is hilarity when sometimes it's 90% for the esf dude. like even yugioh gets 50% vote lol.
Anyway yeah no MC really sucks.. he had that game.. I was gonna write in the LR i'd put major money that MC holds the final Happy allin.
And you reminded me the first 2 MC PvTs yesterday were supposed to be awesome.. I need to watch..
Happy can actually be really good. I didn't see those games so I can't comment(Might have been an off game) IMHappy has some insanely good micro though.
God damnit Oz....... seriously.....
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Holy shit, I had no idea Soo was doing so well. If he beats Soulkey he's looking good to win it all too oO
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Oh Happy must have missed 10+ scvs vs Reality.. it was crazy.. more commenting on how happy made GSL ro4.. I guess he was just not playing too well this summer.. he did beat Rain though last GSL.
Oz will win this ez..
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If soo can beat Soulkey who has two 4-1s against Kespa zergs.. he deserves a GSL seed. Too bad.
(ok i gotta chill with the ellipsis )
Lol 20 hidden ZEElots
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On October 27 2012 09:13 stephenrau wrote:
If soo can beat Soulkey who has two 4-1s against Kespa zergs.. he deserves a GSL seed. Too bad.
(ok i gotta chill with the ellipsis )
Lol 20 hidden ZEElots
Lol Oh god! I wish I could have seen Major's face when he saw all those zealots rushing in out of nowhere XD XD XD
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It's like a nydus in your main (to the tune of Alanis morrisette - Ironic)...
Also I keep blabbering here b/c this tourney takes the cake for most unwatched unappreciated tourney of 2012.. a wasteland here.
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On October 27 2012 09:25 stephenrau wrote:
It's like a nydus in your main (to the tune of Alanis morrisette - Ironic)...
Also I keep blabbering here b/c this tourney takes the cake for most unwatched unappreciated tourney of 2012.. a wasteland here.
Yea, even though it's PPV the game quality and production quality has been absolutely amazing! It's too bad no one seems to be watching it T.T I'm pretty sure it's been 99% me and you posting in this LR XD
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Ooh soo with the 340 APM to lay down the creep.
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Wasn't Soulkey the guy whose name was being bandied around as the best of all the BW players at SC2, when rumors of Kespa guys practicing first began to come out?
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Usually the viewership picks up as it goes along.. this has been the opposite.
"isn't it ironic.."
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On October 27 2012 09:30 sitromit wrote:
Wasn't Soulkey the guy whose name was being bandied around as the best of all the BW players at SC2, when rumors of Kespa guys practicing first began to come out?
You're right!
But then he stagnated.. he disappointed a lot in Proleague.
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laggy as hell, 100% CPU usage. Can't imagine how own3D make money.
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On October 27 2012 09:35 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
laggy as hell, 100% CPU usage. Can't imagine how own3D make money.
Please contact our support team at http://support.majorleaguegaming.com and we'll be happy to help you with this issue.
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Hmm winning with BLs vs ultras is surprisingly hard in zvz
What a frigging game!
Kespa players are deadly in mirrors and this one is classic.
Don't like broods in zvz. I wonder if Soo will copy the mass infestor style of soulkey.
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ll my gd infested terrans are insane!
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More infestors > well controlled infestors
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soulkey looking unbeatable in zvz if he can survive to infestors
im sad he didn't go broodlords though because BL vs BL is the best
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On October 27 2012 09:43 stephenrau wrote:
Hmm winning with BLs vs ultras is surprisingly hard in zvz
What a frigging game!
Kespa players are deadly in mirrors and this one is classic.
Don't like broods in zvz. I wonder if Soo will copy the mass infestor style of soulkey.
The BL's would have worked very well for him if he was paying attention. He just kind of let his broodlords sit directly on top of a bunch of infested terrans. I'm not sure if BL's are fast enough to out run them, but he could have at least tried to hide them on the high ground or something....
Well if no one else is gonna say it I guess I have too... Infesters, IMBA even in a mirror match up XD XD XD(Joke of course)
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Yeah the BL were not the reason he lost.. they almost gave him the win.. just as a matter of general principle ZvZ winrates seem higher for the guy who goes ultras
The GSL guy could make the stats but GSL doesn't have many zvzs let alone drawn out ones.
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On October 27 2012 09:55 stephenrau wrote:
Yeah the BL were not the reason he lost.. they almost gave him the win.. just as a matter of general principle ZvZ winrates seem higher for the guy who goes ultras
Fair enough I don't really watch enough ZvZ's so I don't really know what is usually better!
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The best BL vs ultra battle was in GSTL (maybe ZvZ of the year) during Symbols reverse all-kill of IM. Symbol overcame Nestea with GGlords vs ultras.
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On October 27 2012 09:59 stephenrau wrote:
The best BL vs ultra battle was in GSTL (maybe ZvZ of the year) during Symbols reverse all-kill of IM. Symbol overcame Nestea with GGlords vs ultras.
Haha nice!
And wow Soo is so far ahead now! Really smart strategy and great execution! Haha so smart leaving roaches behind Gosu decision making xD Soulkey with the instant GG
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I wanna see soO win a long macro game against Soulkey.. would be an accomplishment.
The problem with BroodLord is in general the Ultra player can take out bases much faster. They have good dps and are mobile.
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On October 27 2012 10:07 stephenrau wrote:
I wanna see soO win a long macro game against Soulkey.. would be an accomplishment.
The problem with BroodLord is in general the Ultra player can take out bases much faster. They have good dps and are mobile.
That would be quite an accomplishment indeed. Soulkey seems to be full beast mode in infester battles he uses his energy perfectly between fungals and IT's whereas I see other players mashing all fungals or all infested terrans. Soul key does it just right!
I can see how that does work out better if you can dodge the army.
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When will Soulkey/SoO merge to form Trickster?
I'll see myself out.
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Argh that one baneling hit on the drones..
Starve whats the reference? ;p
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Oh my GOD Banelings lololol
Wow that was a nice hold by Soo. Soul key using some great multi tasking to try and pick apart soo but Soo anaswers!
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Yeah this would be an epic comeback.. but Soo too far behind in eco.. needs miracle infestors.
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On October 27 2012 10:23 stephenrau wrote:
Yeah this would be an epic comeback.. but Soo too far behind in eco.. needs miracle infestors.
Yea Soulkey just rollleeddd him with his army xD
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He didn't even take much more damage.. i think SK just powered with the macro.
And sometimes the muta user is actually behind due to late infestors but SK too good.
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On October 27 2012 10:25 stephenrau wrote:
He didn't even take much more damage.. i think SK just powered with the macro.
And sometimes the muta user is actually behind due to late infesters but SK too good.
Yea, because of his earlier economic lead he was able to transition really quickly out of mutas and wasn't really behind by that much on his infesters! Very well played by SK
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We need Roro or Effort to show him what's up.. I think Effort owned SK in ProLeague although SK could just be better now.
Effort has monstrous micro.. he uses 1 ling to snipe banes like vs DRG.
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On October 27 2012 10:28 stephenrau wrote:
We need Roro or Effort to show him what's up.. I think Effort owned SK in PL although SK could just be better now.
Ahhh I can't wait for PL to start up again!!!! Especially now that that abomination of a hybrid league is dead... Gonnamiss BW but that was just silly.
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How do you watch PL? I used Sayle which was cool but the resolution is BAD.. i skipped the BW part
Still need to beat him in macro soO.. can you do it?
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Was that really 6pool no drone pull.. im no expert but i thought 10pool with drones is stronger. oh well nicely done
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On October 27 2012 10:32 stephenrau wrote:
How do you watch PL? I used Sayle which was cool but the resolution is BAD.. i skipped the BW part
Still need to beat him in macro soO.. can you do it?
When it was straight BW I watches restreams and such. but now I have VLC and ws watching the official OGN stream
I thought the 10 pool drone pull was better too but hey his 6 pool worked so meh XD
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I've never ever understood why pros attack a naked expansion giving the defender time to build units.
Lucky soulkey is throwing away his lead.
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On October 27 2012 10:43 stephenrau wrote:
I've never ever understood why pros attack a naked expansion giving the defender time to build units.
Lucky soulkey is throwing away his lead.
You may have spoke to soon!
Soulkeys macro is insane!
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Hmm if only Soo could have landed fungals on those hydras...(it might be just 2 fungals to kill them?) unfortunately they dont stack so the hydra dps is painful in the meantime
Don't you agree though? why take the sure snipe on the 3rd .. if SK had charged the natural.. with our fog of war/vision Soo doesn't hold right?
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On October 27 2012 10:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 10:43 stephenrau wrote:
I've never ever understood why pros attack a naked expansion giving the defender time to build units.
Lucky soulkey is throwing away his lead. You may have spoke to soon! Soulkeys macro is insane!
It's not hard to hold down R.
His economy was just too far ahead, it didn't matter what Soo did.
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On October 27 2012 10:49 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 10:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On October 27 2012 10:43 stephenrau wrote:
I've never ever understood why pros attack a naked expansion giving the defender time to build units.
Lucky soulkey is throwing away his lead. You may have spoke to soon! Soulkeys macro is insane! It's not hard to hold down R.
You do know Macro involves more then literally clicking the button to build the unit right? especially for Zerg -.-
Edit: What a waste of your 2000th post....
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On October 27 2012 10:48 stephenrau wrote:
Hmm if only Soo could have landed fungals on those hydras...(it might be just 2 fungals to kill them?) unfortunately they dont stack so the hydra dps is painful in the meantime
Don't you agree though? why take the sure snipe on the 3rd .. if SK had charged the natural.. with our fog of war/vision Soo doesn't hold right?
takes 3 to kill hydras and you have nothing else attacking them so generally more efficient to funal the roaches b/c that dmg will combine with your unit attacks to get kills lowering their dps (also fungal does more dmg to roaches than it does to hydras)
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On October 27 2012 10:51 iS.Axslav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 10:48 stephenrau wrote:
Hmm if only Soo could have landed fungals on those hydras...(it might be just 2 fungals to kill them?) unfortunately they dont stack so the hydra dps is painful in the meantime
Don't you agree though? why take the sure snipe on the 3rd .. if SK had charged the natural.. with our fog of war/vision Soo doesn't hold right? takes 3 to kill hydras and you have nothing else attacking them so generally more efficient to funal the roaches b/c that dmg will combine with your unit attacks to get kills lowering their dps (also fungal does more dmg to roaches than it does to hydras)
Boom Axslav dropping knowledge booms in the middle of the cast xD Keep up the awesome job! You and Axeltoss are doing a really fucking good casting this whole tourney!
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Hatch first on TalDarim is almost eco cheese.. Speed first is the accepted opening (i think lol)
I know in days past Leenock would go hatch first here and spine it up
So Soo is ahead just on his opening? i don't remember any engagements.
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I'm pretty sure Soo isn't getting Roach speed because he forgot, not because he's delaying it on purpose.
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See i think TalDarim would have to be an ultra map.
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Holy shit 30 infesters????? Soulkey wtf lol
OMG what the hell am I watching??? Seriously what is going on xD
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Lol, wtf is going on. So much stuff on the map -_-
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Just imagine if you add swarm host to this. 
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lol broodling vs broodling
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Man they really should have incorporate ultras as well.. strongest ground unit for defense.
Definitely a one of a kind game!
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OMG that game was pure madness!!!!! Holllyyy shiitttt!!!!!
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I cannot believe what I just saw.
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winning this bloody mess was soo key
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lol, great game by both. the battles are so funny.
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On October 27 2012 11:29 figq wrote:
winning this bloody mess was soo key
oh god... really? XD
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soo and soulkey were so good at bw zvz, nice to see it transitioning over to sc2.
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Damn Soo had a major lead, but bad choices in midgame? wheres the roach speed
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I don't think anyone would have predicted a soO vs Oz finals before this tournament started.
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Nice! soO takes MvP and then MLG dallas!
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Dayyuummm Soo!!!! Bull rushes his way through! GG what a great ZvZ series! Had absolutely everything in it! from 6 pool to BL vs BL to BL vs Ultra and everything inbetween!
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SoO 4-0 vs Oz
Rain has a pretty good practice partner
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Welp. Does this mean Soulkey gets put in the group of death at Dallas ?
The one with Taeja and Life in it. TT
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Oz is hit or miss but dangerous.. he had plenty of chances vs DRG in the OSL but blew it.
Prob 4-2 Soo
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LIFE VS SOULKEY !
SHOW IT MLG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So whats the MLG group play brackets look like now that every one is seeded?
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On October 27 2012 11:54 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
So whats the MLG group play brackets look like now that every one is seeded?
Oh shit its not round robin..
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Fall/Championship
Well no comment but Soulkey group c, Soo group D w/Scarlett
Soulkey vs Revival, then potentially Taeja.
And I wanted Soo to creep out Terrans but he's on the Protoss side of group D.
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No round robin? That's really weird? I missed the last MLG was it like that too or is this new?
Or did the the guys at liquidpedia make a mistake finally?
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http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Championship
Nah the last MLG had a bad format b/c the highest seeds played the Open bracket winners (which are theoretically the lower seeds). Then the mid/low seeds were supposed to play the Kespa players (to give the kespa players advantage) but kespa ended up not showing up, so those mid seeds got easy matches, whereas the high seeds had tougher matches b/c the Open bracket winners are actually stronger..
This time the format is ... OK
Maybe axslav wont read this, but mlg does, but whatever, mlg is "genius" with their tourneys. this is to eliminate extended series from occurring, so this is even more convoluted.. whatever im over it now. just no one else gets it really. unless ur hardcore.
In actuality, this format is not so bad and getting better, but they should make sure the seeding is correct.
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On October 27 2012 09:02 stephenrau wrote:
Pissed me off at the time b/c i was so on the anti-elephant campaign (like Khaldor+wolf mostly) but now i'm more kespa than not..
We were never on an anti-elephant campaign. We were reasonable when 70% of the SC2 Community was on a hype-bandwaggon. There's a huge difference in between. We always said Kespa players would to well, that they just needed some time.
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On October 27 2012 12:24 Khaldor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 09:02 stephenrau wrote:
Pissed me off at the time b/c i was so on the anti-elephant campaign (like Khaldor+wolf mostly) but now i'm more kespa than not.. We were never on an anti-elephant campaign. We were reasonable when 70% of the SC2 Community was on a hype-bandwaggon. There's a huge difference in between. We always said Kespa players would to well, that they just needed some time.
Khaldor!!!! <3 <3 on a completely unrelated note! who do you think is going to win OSL tonight??
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Ok no disrespect Khaldor, I acknowledged you guys try to be objective in your analysis.. it's just sometimes it feels like you're pulling for certain players when you're making a call.. as far as excitement levels go.. and disappointment in your voices.. It's understandable and casters are certainly friends/friendly with certain players, but it seemed a bit one-side in the beginning.. Now it's good.. you actually annoyed some TL poster yesterday the way you were pulling for Terminator ;p
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Still the one thing that was ridiculous was ppl underselling players performance due to slumping, nerves, lack of knowledge of the opponent. Sure it's part of it but the main factor is superior skill when kespa did win.
I try to be SUPER objective assessing skills.
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Such garbage, I can never log-in to this stream. I paid, but you need a voucher code, which isn't in any email but on the MLG site, then re-login to Own3d, then back to MLG site... extreeeemly user-unfriendly.
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On October 27 2012 12:28 stephenrau wrote:
Still the one thing that was ridiculous was ppl underselling players performance due to slumping, nerves, lack of knowledge of the opponent. Sure it's part of it but the main factor is superior skill when kespa did win.
I try to be SUPER objective assessing skills.
I wonder who of the two of us is actually able to talk to players about exactly the things you just mentioned. Nobody undersold anything. It's just that people watching a stream have expectations and if those are not matched they start to bitch. So if you believe in hype and the casters are more rational and show both sides of the coin a lot will start to cry like babies.
Which is exactly the reason why we are having all this bullshit drama right now. Bandwaggon-mentality ftw. And for the record: one ALWAYS annoys someone, one will never be able to please everyone. That's how life works, the sooner you figure that out the better.
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I'm referring to the gsl apologists posting on TL who didn't give any credit. The extremes go both ways certainly. And like I said I was anti-elephant (due to the TL article) b/c there are also posters/bw elitists who say ridiculous things as well.
You're right everyone has different perceptions of casting. I was just giving mine.. I think you guys are great for the most part. Looking forward to GSTL tonight with the two best teams!
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For all you uninformed bandwagoners who haven't had the right information brought to you.  n.Die_soO is SKT baby and SKT is the best. So be prepared to feast on excellence.
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On October 27 2012 12:36 dizzy101 wrote:
Such garbage, I can never log-in to this stream. I paid, but you need a voucher code, which isn't in any email but on the MLG site, then re-login to Own3d, then back to MLG site... extreeeemly user-unfriendly.
the code is in your account-membership
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