The time has come for our thirty-seventh IGN Pro League Fight Club! This is a weekly king of the hill showmatch series. Basically, there will be a 1 vs. 1 best of 9 showmatch each and every week, where the winner will earn a $500 prize and a $100 bounty on their head. For example, if a player wins three weeks in a row they will have earned $1,500 and a $300 bounty. If a NEW challenger defeats him, they will earn $500 for the showmatch, take the $300 bounty home, and have a new $100 bounty placed on their head for each week that they win.
When: Monday, Oct 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also broadcast the match repeatedly afterwards!)
TSL's HyuN is unstoppable and has won Fight Club for ten weeks in a row. Most recently he dominated Team Liquid's newest recruit Sea! His additional victims include IPL4 winner, aLive, IPL4 runner-up Squirtle, and GSL Semifinalists FXO.GuMiho and ByuN.Prime. Can Brown finally take down HyuN and claim $500 and an amazing $1000 bounty!
HyuN < Khaydaria > Brown HyuN < Cloud Kingdom > Brown HyuN < Ohana > Brown HyuN < Daybreak > Brown HyuN < Entombed Valley > Brown HyuN < Atlantis Spaceship > Brown HyuN < Metropolis > Brown
Well, I guess another one being offered as a sacrifice to the Zerg God. I guess Brown qualified for Iron Squid recently so who knows, maybe he'll surprise us.
Brown acually has sick PvZ it has always been his best mu I remeber when he sniped Symbol in GSTL last season and he beat Life 4:1 in Iron squid But alot of players who HyuN has face had great vs Zerg just HyuN is so good. Hopefully this will be one of thos PvZ series which is insanely good to watch.
Still think HyuN will win though and if Brown won I think he will be easily dethroned his PvT isnt really the greatest and PvP is PvP so they would have to contantly send Zergs.
HyuN is definitely favored here but can't really say that Brown doesn't have any chances beating him. They should try to get CranK next time if Brown loses this. CranK's PvZ is pretty freaking good and I feel he would have better chance beathing HyuN than most players.
On October 23 2012 03:29 TR wrote: HyuN is definitely favored here but can't really say that Brown doesn't have any chances beating him. They should try to get CranK next time if Brown loses this. CranK's PvZ is pretty freaking good and I feel he would have better chance beathing HyuN than most players.
On October 23 2012 03:29 TR wrote: HyuN is definitely favored here but can't really say that Brown doesn't have any chances beating him. They should try to get CranK next time if Brown loses this. CranK's PvZ is pretty freaking good and I feel he would have better chance beathing HyuN than most players.
They already tried crank, he got played around by hyun like he was a plat player but they'd probably have to re invite or bring in some serious fire power (It'd certainly take an incredible miracle to plant to seeds of his defeat) brown is a good choice his PvZ has always been his main (Albeit for the longest time only) calling card his snipe of symbol in the GSTL was great and has always posted results in PvZ he's got a nice shot but then again so did byun and gumiho and it didn't end well for them so we'll see.
I don't see Brown beating Hyun. 9 games is a very long time and Brown is just not on Hyun's level at the moment.
Please stop bringing up Life vs Brown, it's established that Life threw those games to avoiding the law. Those games don't prove Brown's considerable PvZ skill.
On October 23 2012 03:33 CosmicSpiral wrote: I don't see Brown beating Hyun. 9 games is a very long time and Brown is just not on Hyun's level at the moment.
Please stop bringing up Life vs Brown, it's established that Life threw those games to avoiding the law. Those games don't prove Brown's considerable PvZ skill.
Brown was trained at Slayers as a PvZ sniper in Team-leagues and gained very high player snipes most notably in the GSTL semi-finals last season, the only disadvantage Brown has he has pretty much almost zero experience in bo5's never mind bo9's
This will be a interesting match whether Brown can keep up momentum over a long series or just simply run out of ideas
On October 23 2012 03:33 CosmicSpiral wrote: I don't see Brown beating Hyun. 9 games is a very long time and Brown is just not on Hyun's level at the moment.
Please stop bringing up Life vs Brown, it's established that Life threw those games to avoiding the law. Those games don't prove Brown's considerable PvZ skill.
Brown was trained at Slayers as a PvZ sniper in Team-leagues and gained very high player snipes most notably in the GSTL semi-finals last season, the only disadvantage Brown has he has pretty much almost zero experience in bo5's never mind bo9's
This will be a interesting match whether Brown can keep up momentum over a long series or just simply run out of ideas
Edit for prediction: 5-4 Brown.
That's why I don't see Brown winning this. His main experience has been preparing map-specific builds for Bo1s, which is vastly different than preparing for a Bo9. Both sides require a different skill set.
On October 23 2012 04:08 covetousrat wrote: Can IGN stop inviting sub par players. Why not get some code S players. Im getting sick of Hyun to be honest.
he already wrecked gumiho, alive, byun, and squirtle, all of whom have been or still are code s regulars
On October 23 2012 04:08 covetousrat wrote: Can IGN stop inviting sub par players. Why not get some code S players. Im getting sick of Hyun to be honest.
They also seem to not be inviting the same person twice, and they already went through a lot of players before Hyun came around
I think HyuN still got this one. He is riding a ton of momentum and his ZvP looks solid as ever. Brown might be a PvZ sniper, but HyuN seems to excel in the Bo9 format.
On October 23 2012 04:08 covetousrat wrote: Can IGN stop inviting sub par players. Why not get some code S players. Im getting sick of Hyun to be honest.
There is so much wrong with your post. - "stop inviting sub par players" - we just had Gumiho and Byun (only Sea was subpar) - do you even know Browns recent results? he has great PvZ, just beat Life, the GSL champion, 4:1 in Iron Squid qualifier
On October 23 2012 04:58 PhoenixVoid wrote: I think HyuN still got this one. He is riding a ton of momentum and his ZvP looks solid as ever. Brown might be a PvZ sniper, but HyuN seems to excel in the Bo9 format.
HyuN 5-3
Dude, seriously, delete your map score prediction, it could ruin the showmatch for a lot of people who doesn't want to know the results.
imho a zerg would be needed. zvz is not as bad as it was in bw, so why not? if brown doesnt take hyun out tonight, I want to see a zerg getting a try. but please someone with godly zvz...
On October 23 2012 05:47 Black Gun wrote: imho a zerg would be needed. zvz is not as bad as it was in bw, so why not? if brown doesnt take hyun out tonight, I want to see a zerg getting a try. but please someone with godly zvz...
I strongly suspect that Brown will have prepared a lot specifically for this bo9. Unlike the other serious contenders put against Hyun he doesn't have anything else to really distract him and this is probably the biggest set of games in his career.
On October 23 2012 06:31 opterown wrote: they should hold the fight club to end all fight clubs, live at ipl5
hyun with a 15-win streak vs... forsen!
Someone else made a forsen reference, what is it?
I checked TLPD and saw him vs Hyun, with Forsen winning like 1-2 and Hyun winning the rest dominatingly.
Forsen beat HyuN at a foreign event fairly recently (think it was a Dreamhack tournament, might have been Asus ROG though).
The games were absolutely mega fucking atrocious lol. Some of the worst play out of progamers in a looong time. They were entertaining, though, throws on throws.
On October 23 2012 07:55 FuzzyJAM wrote: I strongly suspect that Brown will have prepared a lot specifically for this bo9. Unlike the other serious contenders put against Hyun he doesn't have anything else to really distract him and this is probably the biggest set of games in his career.
Could be a factor. :D
Biggest as in number of games lol. Brown was in Code S at the beginning of the year.
On October 23 2012 07:55 FuzzyJAM wrote: I strongly suspect that Brown will have prepared a lot specifically for this bo9. Unlike the other serious contenders put against Hyun he doesn't have anything else to really distract him and this is probably the biggest set of games in his career.
Could be a factor. :D
Biggest as in number of games lol. Brown was in Code S at the beginning of the year.
I'm talking money and fame. There are lots of players who have been in Code S, but a FC victory would give him $1,500 and a chance at far more while finally knocking off Hyun would no doubt give him a huge boost in stature.
Oh god that was a stomping O.o If brown had hit those FF's when he first moved out it might have been different, but he let the lings get all up on his immortals and sentries which killed his first push. Was all down hill from there.... like Yamcha....
This is pretty much standard ZvP, Hyun played a little bit more greedy with the 4/5th, but was ready by the 15 minute mark anyway. Brown engaged a bit sloppily exposing his Colossus and didn't focus BLs that quickly, but still; 5 bases before toss can safely take a 4th, I have no idea man.
Without a doubt its impossible to just macro up off three base without getting a mothership +air upgrades going, and expect to win vs 5 base zerg.
On that map, you need to either play ring around the rosie with broodlords, using double-robo warp prisms to attack everywhere( even hallucinated, hero mm?) while you secure a good army(once 5 base go carrier), or you need to take a faster fourth base in response to Hyun's greed. Cause what's he going to do to punish it? Go mass roach ling vs double collusus?
On October 23 2012 08:51 PhoenixVoid wrote: gg already? Sure HyuN would have taken heavy damage, but he wasn't out of it completely.
he was so dead
He had drops to evacuate the Drones, and could have base-traded against Brown when his army was basically Immortals and Sentries. HyuN could have put Spines all around his third and destroyed Brown's bases.
With Infested terran being 25 energy, you can fight so often with each infestors poping 1 or 2 ITs, and it's almost as good as Fungal against protoss Imo.
Damn, that last engagement looked so easy, and HuyN didn't even control it proprely, headbutting quite a lot of infestors.
On October 23 2012 09:06 Noocta wrote: With Infested terran being 25 energy, you can fight so often with each infestors poping 1 or 2 ITs, and it's almost as good as Fungal against protoss Imo.
its way to strong, infested terrans, they forces aoe from the protoss t.t
On October 23 2012 09:06 Noocta wrote: With Infested terran being 25 energy, you can fight so often with each infestors poping 1 or 2 ITs, and it's almost as good as Fungal against protoss Imo.
Fungal is awful against Protoss. Infestors are pretty much solely made for IT
On October 23 2012 09:06 Noocta wrote: With Infested terran being 25 energy, you can fight so often with each infestors poping 1 or 2 ITs, and it's almost as good as Fungal against protoss Imo.
Fungal is awful against Protoss. Infestors are pretty much solely made for IT
Yeah, I know that. Overall casters / people seems to think Fungal is the best spell of the Infestor, whereas it's definitly the Infested terran. Each infestor is holding inside him the equivalent of a 8 marine medivac drop when you think about it.
And Marines are pretty good against protoss, specially when they are free to use. :<
Was hoping for Life to come out, for them to have an epic 9 game series (don't care who wins) so if they play against each other in GSL its even more epic.
On October 23 2012 09:06 Noocta wrote: With Infested terran being 25 energy, you can fight so often with each infestors poping 1 or 2 ITs, and it's almost as good as Fungal against protoss Imo.
Fungal is awful against Protoss. Infestors are pretty much solely made for IT
Yeah, I know that. Overall casters / people seems to think Fungal is the best spell of the Infestor, whereas it's definitly the Infested terran. Each infestor is holding inside him the equivalent of a 8 marine medivac drop when you think about it.
And Marines are pretty good against protoss, specially when they are free to use. :<
People probably get the impression that Fungal is the best Infestor spell because of the utility in ZvT and ZvZ, while in ZvP it is mainly used to delay the Protoss army and/or hold the Protoss for the BLs to siege. ITs are the best unit in ZvP though, the sheer amount of DPS and the ability to overpass Force Fields is so good against Protoss.
HyuN's games on Entombed Valley are always so greedy. Already six Hatches at 10 minutes. At least he isn't going for mass Mutas this time around, it usually ended with HyuN losing.
On October 23 2012 09:15 Pandain wrote: Scarlett has the sickest version of ZvZ, going (relatively) fast broodlords whenever she can.
Alot of people didn't like the Scarlett-Dark(arthur?) games where they both went broodlord, but i thought it was fascinating and awesome.
I don't get the Scarlett ZvZ hype. (I'm high on her generally, maybe best NA player) She lost to Golden and TLO in MCSL and dropped to goswser like most of Team Acer in IPTL. IMO its her weakest matchup.
On October 23 2012 09:15 Pandain wrote: Scarlett has the sickest version of ZvZ, going (relatively) fast broodlords whenever she can.
Alot of people didn't like the Scarlett-Dark(arthur?) games where they both went broodlord, but i thought it was fascinating and awesome.
I don't get the Scarlett ZvZ hype. (I'm high on her generally, maybe best NA player) She lost to Golden and TLO in MCSL and dropped to goswser like most of Team Acer in IPTL. IMO its her weakest matchup.
I doubt that HyuN would lose to Scarlett in a Bo9, and if HyuN watches her replays he can pick apart her style and counter it well. Scarlett really loves her BLs though, she uses them in all MUs.
On October 23 2012 09:15 Pandain wrote: Scarlett has the sickest version of ZvZ, going (relatively) fast broodlords whenever she can.
Alot of people didn't like the Scarlett-Dark(arthur?) games where they both went broodlord, but i thought it was fascinating and awesome.
I don't get the Scarlett ZvZ hype. (I'm high on her generally, maybe best NA player) She lost to Golden and TLO in MCSL and dropped to goswser like most of Team Acer in IPTL. IMO its her weakest matchup.
I doubt that HyuN would lose to Scarlett in a Bo9, and if HyuN watches her replays he can pick apart her style and counter it well. Scarlett really loves her BLs though, she uses them in all MUs.
Shame, I absolutely loved her defensive roachless style into Ulralisk bust out that she did at WCS Canada.
On October 23 2012 09:22 PhoenixVoid wrote: HyuN's games on Entombed Valley are always so greedy. Already six Hatches at 10 minutes. At least he isn't going for mass Mutas this time around, it usually ended with HyuN losing.
well its not like Zerg has a chance on the map anyway, might as well try something weird.
On October 23 2012 09:15 Pandain wrote: Scarlett has the sickest version of ZvZ, going (relatively) fast broodlords whenever she can.
Alot of people didn't like the Scarlett-Dark(arthur?) games where they both went broodlord, but i thought it was fascinating and awesome.
I don't get the Scarlett ZvZ hype. (I'm high on her generally, maybe best NA player) She lost to Golden and TLO in MCSL and dropped to goswser like most of Team Acer in IPTL. IMO its her weakest matchup.
I doubt that HyuN would lose to Scarlett in a Bo9, and if HyuN watches her replays he can pick apart her style and counter it well. Scarlett really loves her BLs though, she uses them in all MUs.
Shame, I absolutely loved her defensive roachless style into Ulralisk bust out that she did at WCS Canada.
That was a really interesting build that was used when Infestor/Ling/Ultra was popular in ZvZ. She defeated TSLRevivaL handily with the build which seemed really strong.
On October 23 2012 09:15 Pandain wrote: Scarlett has the sickest version of ZvZ, going (relatively) fast broodlords whenever she can.
Alot of people didn't like the Scarlett-Dark(arthur?) games where they both went broodlord, but i thought it was fascinating and awesome.
I don't get the Scarlett ZvZ hype. (I'm high on her generally, maybe best NA player) She lost to Golden and TLO in MCSL and dropped to goswser like most of Team Acer in IPTL. IMO its her weakest matchup.
I doubt that HyuN would lose to Scarlett in a Bo9, and if HyuN watches her replays he can pick apart her style and counter it well. Scarlett really loves her BLs though, she uses them in all MUs.
Scarlett's ZvZ may not be the absolute best ZvZ out there, and indeed it is her weakest MU, but it's still fascinating to watch in my opinion. She's got a real style about her ZvZ's that we don't often see. Her matches in EGMCSL against Dark were a fascinating war of attrition and positioning, but even before that stage there's a lot of excitement. If you don't believe me, watch the five games she played against Ostojiy in WCS Canada. All of them are an absolute pleasure to watch.
Scarlett has ZvZ hype? Her late game ZvZ is pretty standard, its just most ZvZ don't go that long so people don't see it very often. That's kind of the only super late game ZvZ style there is actually.
On October 23 2012 09:35 goswser wrote: Scarlett has ZvZ hype? Her late game ZvZ is pretty standard, its just most ZvZ don't go that long so people don't see it very often. That's kind of the only super late game ZvZ style there is actually.
Hmm. Maybe so goswser (you're awesome btw), but it's taken a while for ZvZ to get there and Scarlett was certainly one of the true pioneers of it. Even just a couple months ago we saw Symbol vs Nestea in GSTL and Nestea tried Ultra/Nydus late game ZvZ. But I've seen Scarlett's ZvZ go to late game and then succeed several times though, her late game ZvZ is certainly more refined than most.
Plus as I said, she's got some fun early/mid game ZvZ, really not afraid to mix up the openings in a BOX. I suppose you can say that about many zergs, but not all. And like, that build with the hatch in the entranceway in Tal'Darim alter vs Ostojiy in WCS canada? Brilliant in my opinion.
With that said, you're the pro and everyone should take what I say with many helpings of salt.
On October 23 2012 09:35 goswser wrote: Scarlett has ZvZ hype? Her late game ZvZ is pretty standard, its just most ZvZ don't go that long so people don't see it very often. That's kind of the only super late game ZvZ style there is actually.
Look at any high level ZvZ nowadays. Usually it just ends up being roach hydra infestor vs roach hydra infestor, both sides trying to engage well and get huge surrounds. Very rarely, especially after going so infested into that, do you actually manage to get to hive tech.
Scarlett however transitions to Hive much faster, and is much more willing to play that kind of style.
Still have doubts whether Scarlett could take down HyuN in a Bo9. HyuN is a Code S player who has no real weak MUs, while Scarlett is more low Code A - mid Code A player who knows how to use BLs really well.
On October 23 2012 10:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Still have doubts whether Scarlett could take down HyuN in a Bo9. HyuN is a Code S player who has no real weak MUs, while Scarlett is more low Code A - mid Code A player who knows how to use BLs really well.
wait what? No way is Scarlett's best trait her BL control.
On October 23 2012 10:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Still have doubts whether Scarlett could take down HyuN in a Bo9. HyuN is a Code S player who has no real weak MUs, while Scarlett is more low Code A - mid Code A player who knows how to use BLs really well.
I highly doubt she is even Code A level now with such big names in Code A currently.
On October 23 2012 10:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Still have doubts whether Scarlett could take down HyuN in a Bo9. HyuN is a Code S player who has no real weak MUs, while Scarlett is more low Code A - mid Code A player who knows how to use BLs really well.
wait what? No way is Scarlett's best trait her BL control.
Also her Infestor usage and Creep spread is phenomenal.
On October 23 2012 10:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Still have doubts whether Scarlett could take down HyuN in a Bo9. HyuN is a Code S player who has no real weak MUs, while Scarlett is more low Code A - mid Code A player who knows how to use BLs really well.
wait what? No way is Scarlett's best trait her BL control.
Also her Infestor usage and Creep spread is phenomenal.
Her creep spread is amazing and will give her good map vision..... but it will also let HyuN's units attack her faster >:D If Scarlett can get it into late late game she might have a chance, I have yet to see HyuN use BL's in a ZvZ so if he is not used to it his timings/reactions against it could be off. That being said.... HyuN is quite possibly the best player in the world at mid game lair tech units so getting there isn't exactly going to be easy..... Either way should be some great and entertaining games!
On October 23 2012 09:35 goswser wrote: Scarlett has ZvZ hype? Her late game ZvZ is pretty standard, its just most ZvZ don't go that long so people don't see it very often. That's kind of the only super late game ZvZ style there is actually.
Look at any high level ZvZ nowadays. Usually it just ends up being roach hydra infestor vs roach hydra infestor, both sides trying to engage well and get huge surrounds. Very rarely, especially after going so infested into that, do you actually manage to get to hive tech.
Scarlett however transitions to Hive much faster, and is much more willing to play that kind of style.
Fast Hive is harder to play, but it's not that uncommon. Vortix was doing it against Stephano at WCS Europe for instance.
Edit:
On October 23 2012 10:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Still have doubts whether Scarlett could take down HyuN in a Bo9. HyuN is a Code S player who has no real weak MUs, while Scarlett is more low Code A - mid Code A player who knows how to use BLs really well.
I feel like there's no evidence for Scarlett being a Code A level player...>_> Good, but wait till she starts playing against the big guns.
Scarlett will get crushed 5-1 or 5-2 by Hyun. ZvZ is her worst matchup and beating Hyun straight up is kind of hard. Scarlett is really good and is one of the top few north american players, but Hyun is Hyun. He's won like 11 weeks now, he won't lose to a foreigner.
On October 23 2012 10:46 goswser wrote: Scarlett will get crushed 5-1 or 5-2 by Hyun. ZvZ is her worst matchup and beating Hyun straight up is kind of hard. Scarlett is really good and is one of the top few north american players, but Hyun is Hyun. He's won like 11 weeks now, he won't lose to a foreigner.
Couldn't agree more. HyuN is too good to lose to a foreigner in an offline bo9 imo. Has some of the best practice partners available as well if he wants considering his team in like 3/4 zerg.
Scarlett is good, but she lost to TLO, nuff' said. No offese TLO, you're a really cool guy and all but Scarlett looks like a Code A player most of the time. Well, after 10 weeks, maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised by Scarlett!
On October 23 2012 11:04 goswser wrote: What surprises me is that Scarlett agreed to play. The whole thing must be NA server, because she downright refuses to play on any other one.
Well if it's all on NA she might have a better shot. I can't see early game ling/bling micro being fun playing with cross server lag....
On October 23 2012 10:46 goswser wrote: Scarlett will get crushed 5-1 or 5-2 by Hyun. ZvZ is her worst matchup and beating Hyun straight up is kind of hard. Scarlett is really good and is one of the top few north american players, but Hyun is Hyun. He's won like 11 weeks now, he won't lose to a foreigner.
Agreed completely, but the NA lag may screw over HyuN. Hopefully it isn't as bad as in EU.
On October 23 2012 04:08 covetousrat wrote: Can IGN stop inviting sub par players. Why not get some code S players. Im getting sick of Hyun to be honest.
There is so much wrong with your post. - "stop inviting sub par players" - we just had Gumiho and Byun (only Sea was subpar) - do you even know Browns recent results? he has great PvZ, just beat Life, the GSL champion, 4:1 in Iron Squid qualifier
He never " beat " Life.
Life threw those games away because he was forced to shut down his account from(12.00am midnight to 6.00am morning) due to Korean Law.
Hyun is gonna smash Scarlett.
Hyun is already used to playing online cups oversea EU/NA. I doubt he has any problem playing in NA. There may be some delay and Scarlett may benefit from that.
Hyun with more weekly cash. One day in the distant future, he will lose, and then be like, what the hell man, my wallet feels like it's missing $500 this week.
On October 24 2012 09:50 BathTubNZ wrote: They announced today that Scarlett won't be playing, and it's 75% likely that ST.Life will be the next competitor.
Posted on Twitter next FC is Hyun vs Life - As probably the best ZvZ'er in the world right now we can start to appreciate we won't see another run like Hyun's again.
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