Players divided by Conference (24 MLG, 24 Proleague) MLG Players divided by Region (12 NA, 6, EU, 6 KR) Every MLG player faces every Proleague player 2-game matches Top Players Advance to Playoffs (8 Proleague, 4 NA, 2 EU, 2 KR)
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I am doing that atm.. plz respond. same prob as yeasterday whit quality that not is "best quality".
On October 22 2012 03:50 MLGHammertime wrote: If anyone has any problems throughout this broadcast, please do not hesitate to contact the MLG Support Team via support.majorleaguegaming.com
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I am doing that atm.. plz respond. same prob as yeasterday whit quality that not is "best quality".
Sorry, walked away for a minute feel free to come back.
With so many zergs left to face (winner of Soulkey v Jaedong), Rain may not want to show his best builds vs zerg. Since he has to play DRG in the finals of OSL. Even playing standard, DRG stands to learn a lot about Rain's playstyle. Unfortunate for Rain.
Interested to see Rain's PvZ. I feel like good zergs have learned how to deal with vortex and the best bet for protoss to win is 2 base all-in. Then again hyvaa might not be that good yet so it could be a moot point.
On October 22 2012 04:12 red4ce wrote: Interested to see Rain's PvZ. I feel like good zergs have learned how to deal with vortex and the best bet for protoss to win is 2 base all-in. Then again hyvaa might not be that good yet so it could be a moot point.
Highest win % seems to be 3-base "all ins". (anti-broodlord timing)
On October 22 2012 04:19 stephenrau wrote: Rain's harass and unit control can overcome the zerg deathball if he limits the zerg economy enough.
Probably, I just don't get why all he did last game were some zealot drops. You need to load some gas in your prism if you want to do some actual eco damage. Just kill 50+ drones with insane multitasking and zerg is ezpz.
On October 22 2012 04:19 stephenrau wrote: Rain's harass and unit control can overcome the zerg deathball if he limits the zerg economy enough.
Probably, I just don't get why all he did last game were some zealot drops. You need to load some gas in your prism if you want to do some actual eco damage. Just kill 50+ drones with insane multitasking and zerg is ezpz.
"just". Similar to how "just" killing 20+ drones in the early game as terran will probably allow you to win too, lol.
On October 22 2012 04:19 stephenrau wrote: Rain's harass and unit control can overcome the zerg deathball if he limits the zerg economy enough.
Probably, I just don't get why all he did last game were some zealot drops. You need to load some gas in your prism if you want to do some actual eco damage. Just kill 50+ drones with insane multitasking and zerg is ezpz.
"just". Similar to how "just" killing 20+ drones in the early game as terran will probably allow you to win too, lol.
Yeah just, a prism in the main, one in the third and maybe a zealot runby to the 4th and you are fine, works for me on ladder and I'm fucking white. I really don't get how someone who storm drops vs terran just doesn't even try vs zerg when it can deal equal amounts of damage.
I've tried that before, but it seems you don't actually have any solutions other than obvious stuff I've already tried (clear cache, reboot computer, etc.) Going through an exchange of multiple emails like that is even more annoying than just dealing with the stream lag.
Seems like it's an issue that intermittently affects only some viewers--yesterday it was better for me while other people were complaining in the thread. Makes me think it's some kind of issue with own3d.tv.
I've tried that before, but it seems you don't actually have any solutions other than obvious stuff I've already tried (clear cache, reboot computer, etc.) Going through an exchange of multiple emails like that is even more annoying than just dealing with the stream lag.
Seems like it's an issue that intermittently affects only some viewers--yesterday it was better for me while other people were complaining in the thread. Makes me think it's some kind of issue with own3d.tv.
Ditto.. I watch everything Starcraft (except maybe ownd) and this stream sucks. (It may be good initially but I'm pretty sure there's a huge memory leak. I still remember all the MLGs this year where I have to reboot my computer.)
I've tried that before, but it seems you don't actually have any solutions other than obvious stuff I've already tried (clear cache, reboot computer, etc.) Going through an exchange of multiple emails like that is even more annoying than just dealing with the stream lag.
Seems like it's an issue that intermittently affects only some viewers--yesterday it was better for me while other people were complaining in the thread. Makes me think it's some kind of issue with own3d.tv.
Ditto.. I watch everything Starcraft (except maybe ownd) and this stream sucks. (It may be good initially but I'm pretty sure there's a huge memory leak. I still remember all the MLGs this year where I have to reboot my computer.)
Yeah, yesterday it was me who was having problems :D
On October 22 2012 05:00 sitromit wrote: I think Parting makes more cannons and leaves behind a Sentry or two to defend against counterattacks when he does this build.
That's the safer way to execute it vs a zerg who you're sure you can break even with less units in your force which starts to not work as often at the very top macro levels.
Stream is somewhat alright, yesterday I couldn't watch at all because I was using a shitty mobile connection and everything besides HD gave me blackscreen. It has some stutters and stuff today but I think thats more firefox and flash being a bitch.
On October 22 2012 05:34 fuzzylogic44 wrote: I hope HotS changes the PvZ lategame hugely.
Unless blizzard decided to randomly remove the tempest hots should be fine, might take a lot of time for people to perfectly figure them out though.
I really do hope Rain was just like "meh fuck mlg, I'd much rather safe my real pvz builds to win osl", because if thats his pvz I'm really disappointed.
@red4ce: I'm 99% sure mlg just uses what star 2 calls apm, so those 288 are about 400 real apm, plus some more since sc2 doesn't count camera hotkeys and some other stuff as actions.
On October 22 2012 05:34 fuzzylogic44 wrote: I hope HotS changes the PvZ lategame hugely.
Unless blizzard decided to randomly remove the tempest hots should be fine, might take a lot of time for people to perfectly figure them out though.
I really do hope Rain was just like "meh fuck mlg, I'd much rather safe my real pvz builds to win osl", because if thats his pvz I'm really disappointed.
During Korea WCS Rain looked awesome in PvZ (granted against weaker zergs). He played macro 3 base always, no immortal allins. Fantastic muta defense against Leenock, which should come in handy against DRG. Where were the HighTemplars in this series? He took way too much early damage from the zerg.
On October 22 2012 05:34 fuzzylogic44 wrote: I hope HotS changes the PvZ lategame hugely.
Unless blizzard decided to randomly remove the tempest hots should be fine, might take a lot of time for people to perfectly figure them out though.
I really do hope Rain was just like "meh fuck mlg, I'd much rather safe my real pvz builds to win osl", because if thats his pvz I'm really disappointed.
During Korea WCS Rain looked awesome in PvZ (granted against weaker zergs). He played macro 3 base always, no immortal allins. Fantastic muta defense against Leenock, which should come in handy against DRG. Where were the HighTemplars in this series?
Yeah exactly I was watching that hole thing always wondering why I saw almost no templar action. I guess he really wants to throw drg off.
On October 22 2012 05:37 red4ce wrote: I hope that isn't Brood War apm listed for Jaedong there. 288 is pretty low for his standards.
It's based on starcraft 2 minutes. Not sure what the ratio is but it probably translates to more like 350
yep it's about 384 "real" apm. Dunno why Blizzard refuses to change this.
It's kinda like evolution with backwards eyes and laryngeal nerves... a bad design at the start can't so easily be reversed everything else builds on it. All the movement speeds and attack speeds are based on that time meaning attack speeds would beoome like 1.243693234 seconds and duration of spells would be 6.37481834091 seconds, and for all we know there could be some coding issue that makes it more complicated than changing a few values.
On October 22 2012 05:55 iAmJeffReY wrote: ZvZ and PvP don't seem to be matchups where someone behind can come back. Down in mutas? You lose. Down in blink stalkers or collsai? You lose.
=(
Infestors can turn the tide in ZvZ if you can get them out before him without dying.
On October 22 2012 05:54 -TesteR- wrote: 4-1? What happened to our little protoss bonjwa-to-be?
He has stated in a few interviews he finds PvZ to be particularly difficult
And he also has an OSL finals vs a Z coming up in less than a week, which i'm sure he was hiding builds for. OSL is worth a lot more than MLG MvP.. Honestly, no one doubts he will make it out of the open bracket if he goes to MLG, so the seed really isn't so important.
On October 22 2012 05:54 -TesteR- wrote: 4-1? What happened to our little protoss bonjwa-to-be?
He has stated in a few interviews he finds PvZ to be particularly difficult
And he also has an OSL finals vs a Z coming up in less than a week, which i'm sure he was hiding builds for. OSL is worth a lot more than MLG MvP.. Honestly, no one doubts he will make it out of the open bracket if he goes to MLG, so the seed really isn't so important.
I've been wondering about that, do you think any of the Kespa teams care to send their players to this MLG if they don't just get seeded from this tournament? I mean, wishfully thinking, I would say yes. But I'm not holding my breath
On October 22 2012 05:54 -TesteR- wrote: 4-1? What happened to our little protoss bonjwa-to-be?
He has stated in a few interviews he finds PvZ to be particularly difficult
And he also has an OSL finals vs a Z coming up in less than a week, which i'm sure he was hiding builds for. OSL is worth a lot more than MLG MvP.. Honestly, no one doubts he will make it out of the open bracket if he goes to MLG, so the seed really isn't so important.
I've been wondering about that, do you think any of the Kespa teams care to send their players to this MLG if they don't just get seeded from this tournament? I mean, wishfully thinking, I would say yes. But I'm not holding my breath
I think that it depends on two things. The first thing of importance is, what do they have going on right now? If its in the middle of a proleague season then teams need their star players, so only b teamers will likely get sent. Then it comes down to whether or not they feel such a b teamer is good enough to invest in netting a economic payoff big enough to return their investment. If its in between important tournaments like proleague, you also have to take into account positioning in tournaments like OSL or GSL which are much more important to kespa... If they have rain in a semi-final of OSL in 2 weeks, they clearly aren't going to send him to MLG or anything like that. After that, I think the next most important thing will be the players being willing enough to finance their own trip. I don't think kespa is going to finance such a low probability for payoff, and considering the teams can't spare their star players often, I doubt they will invest in it either.
Well tbh the fact that his pvp is statistically his worst and he just destroyed hero with the sickest pvp ever in gsl and won wcs asia on the back of pvp, shows that stats don't actually mean much. And tbh I think him feeling his pvz is his worst means more than any stat ever could.
On October 22 2012 06:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Grrr this is the first time all season I've had lag/stream problems... of course this happens during the JD games T.T
Lol and yesterday you were saying everything was cool
I think on Ohana you can always go 15 hatch first b/c it has the special mineral formation where you can always drone drill well against rushes.
On October 22 2012 06:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Grrr this is the first time all season I've had lag/stream problems... of course this happens during the JD games T.T
Lol and yesterday you were saying everything was cool
Yes because yesterday was... Notice the part where I said this is the FIRST time all season. I don't see how saying that yesterday when everything was cool has any relevance what so ever now.
On October 22 2012 06:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Who was the KespA player that outplayed DRG on a long micro battle, some time ago? I guess it was at GSL...not sure. Effort?
It was Effort. Watching Flash vs Effort right now...I have to say.... What. A. Series.
On October 22 2012 06:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Who was the KespA player that outplayed DRG on a long micro battle, some time ago? I guess it was at GSL...not sure. Effort?
Korea WCS losers bracket, game 1 on Tal Darim - Effort.
On October 22 2012 06:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Who was the KespA player that outplayed DRG on a long micro battle, some time ago? I guess it was at GSL...not sure. Effort?
On October 22 2012 06:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Who was the KespA player that outplayed DRG on a long micro battle, some time ago? I guess it was at GSL...not sure. Effort?
On October 22 2012 06:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Who was the KespA player that outplayed DRG on a long micro battle, some time ago? I guess it was at GSL...not sure. Effort?
Yeah, it was EffOrt. RorO outclassed DRG as well.
Sad to see Jaedong losing but its Neo Motherfuckin.G_Soulkey.
On October 22 2012 06:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Who was the KespA player that outplayed DRG on a long micro battle, some time ago? I guess it was at GSL...not sure. Effort?
It was Effort. Watching Flash vs Effort right now...I have to say.... What. A. Series.
Flash vs Effort was the best series of Starcraft 2 I have seen in a very long time!
SK was able to burrow 2 infestor to the natural of JD to spawn ITs to snipe the greater spire. Trigger a counter by JD into a inferior position. Got out-concaved and fungaled. After losing that battle SK also dropped a nydus into JDs main, launching tons of infestors to bring down the hive... and a superior position on top of his ramp.. huge lead for SK.
On October 22 2012 06:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Who was the KespA player that outplayed DRG on a long micro battle, some time ago? I guess it was at GSL...not sure. Effort?
On October 22 2012 06:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Who was the KespA player that outplayed DRG on a long micro battle, some time ago? I guess it was at GSL...not sure. Effort?
In GSL, that's Roro.
He did not mean the GSL games. Roro had horrible ling/bling micro in those games. As people answered, it was Effort in WCS.
Hehe, just to note. If you guys are korean, you could already tell who won Rain vs Hyvaa through the Effort/Flash chat in game 5 ^^ And they were talking about soo winning in game 6..cute ^^
On October 22 2012 07:06 dunne_bo wrote: Let's say 2 Kespa players get top 3 at MLG Dallas...do u guys think they could get seeded in Code S? I'd rly like to see one of these zergs in Code S
I'm pretty sure Roro is already in Code S for next season.
On October 22 2012 07:06 dunne_bo wrote: Let's say 2 Kespa players get top 3 at MLG Dallas...do u guys think they could get seeded in Code S? I'd rly like to see one of these zergs in Code S
I'm pretty sure Roro is already in Code S for next season.
There's still Effort Soulkey Soo Hyvaa left (and more) that are probably as good as GSL zergs. (Effort failed vs Maru already)
to major league gaming.. the series against hyvaa and rain was leaked when flash and effort played yesterday and talked during the game that hyvaa won.. i didnt say anything because it might ruin it for other people but you should be careful since it did ruin it for me.. its kinda boring to watch a series knowing who won
On October 22 2012 07:06 dunne_bo wrote: Let's say 2 Kespa players get top 3 at MLG Dallas...do u guys think they could get seeded in Code S? I'd rly like to see one of these zergs in Code S
Code S Season 5 Line up. (KeSPA is highlighted bold)
On October 22 2012 07:03 LighT. wrote: Hehe, just to note. If you guys are korean, you could already tell who won Rain vs Hyvaa through the Effort/Flash chat in game 5 ^^ And they were talking about soo winning in game 6..cute ^^
On October 22 2012 07:03 LighT. wrote: Hehe, just to note. If you guys are korean, you could already tell who won Rain vs Hyvaa through the Effort/Flash chat in game 5 ^^ And they were talking about soo winning in game 6..cute ^^
On October 22 2012 07:22 akalarry wrote: i havent been following this tournament, but did all these foreigners really go 5-45 or were there a lot of forfeits?
Good amount of forfeits (from Idra, Socke, Ret and Sheth), but they wouldn't have done much better any ways.
On October 22 2012 07:22 akalarry wrote: i havent been following this tournament, but did all these foreigners really go 5-45 or were there a lot of forfeits?
Idra forfeited 28 games, Ret 24, Shet 18, Bisu 12 and Socke 10. Note that Idra had a winrate of 15% for his played games, which would've meant a score of 7-41 had he kept the same ratio for the games he didn't play.
On October 22 2012 07:03 LighT. wrote: Hehe, just to note. If you guys are korean, you could already tell who won Rain vs Hyvaa through the Effort/Flash chat in game 5 ^^ And they were talking about soo winning in game 6..cute ^^
Am I right that Rain, Effort, Jaedong, Baby won't get to play in MLG? It seems so silly to not send them after they went through a 52 games round robin to even qualify for these play-offs. At least Flash barely beat Effort or it would have been 4 zergs. (so exciting, Hyvaa, Soo, Effort, Soulkey, all the players with the most personality...)
On October 22 2012 10:17 Grumbels wrote: Am I right that Rain, Effort, Jaedong, Baby won't get to play in MLG? It seems so silly to not send them after they went through a 52 games round robin to even qualify for these play-offs. At least Flash barely beat Effort or it would have been 4 zergs. (so exciting, Hyvaa, Soo, Effort, Soulkey, all the players with the most personality...)
They are welcome to go crush through the open bracket if their teams want to send them
On October 22 2012 10:17 Grumbels wrote: Am I right that Rain, Effort, Jaedong, Baby won't get to play in MLG? It seems so silly to not send them after they went through a 52 games round robin to even qualify for these play-offs. At least Flash barely beat Effort or it would have been 4 zergs. (so exciting, Hyvaa, Soo, Effort, Soulkey, all the players with the most personality...)
Yes, it is ashame they can't send all 8. But I think it is because the spots are limited. The top 8 from previous MLG in already invited and they also had seperate MLG EU/NA/KR qualifiers.
On October 22 2012 07:03 LighT. wrote: Hehe, just to note. If you guys are korean, you could already tell who won Rain vs Hyvaa through the Effort/Flash chat in game 5 ^^ And they were talking about soo winning in game 6..cute ^^
Translation? :D
Sure.
Game 5: Flash: oh. Flash: it's Rain! (his name) Flash: And Hyvaa. Flash: Hyvaa. Flash: He won. Effort: Oh. Flash: 4-1 Flash: in favor of Effort: That's hyvaa for you Flash: He's doing good.. Effort: lol
Game 6: Effort: Who advanced? Flash: soo Flash: that player. Flash: he advanced.. Effort: ;; Flash: They're doing well. Flash: Everyone is.. Flash: but I'm better Flash: ..
On October 22 2012 07:06 dunne_bo wrote: Let's say 2 Kespa players get top 3 at MLG Dallas...do u guys think they could get seeded in Code S? I'd rly like to see one of these zergs in Code S
Code S Season 5 Line up. (KeSPA is highlighted bold)
On October 22 2012 07:03 LighT. wrote: Hehe, just to note. If you guys are korean, you could already tell who won Rain vs Hyvaa through the Effort/Flash chat in game 5 ^^ And they were talking about soo winning in game 6..cute ^^
On October 22 2012 07:06 dunne_bo wrote: Let's say 2 Kespa players get top 3 at MLG Dallas...do u guys think they could get seeded in Code S? I'd rly like to see one of these zergs in Code S
Code S Season 5 Line up. (KeSPA is highlighted bold)
+ 2 direct seeds 1 will probably go to KeSPA, and 1 to a foreigner.
Actually Mr Chae kinda said that as KeSPA players were having success through qualifiers and code A, he would maybe not give anymore seeds, unless he posts very strong results I guess and isn't already in code S. It also looks a little bit silly because the best KeSPA players who deserve the seed can definitely qualify by themselves, and they don't have the same kind of troubles than the foreigner players going to Korea.
On October 22 2012 07:06 dunne_bo wrote: Let's say 2 Kespa players get top 3 at MLG Dallas...do u guys think they could get seeded in Code S? I'd rly like to see one of these zergs in Code S
Code S Season 5 Line up. (KeSPA is highlighted bold)
+ 2 direct seeds 1 will probably go to KeSPA, and 1 to a foreigner.
Actually Mr Chae kinda said that as KeSPA players were having success through qualifiers and code A, he would maybe not give anymore seeds, unless he posts very strong results I guess and isn't already in code S. It also looks a little bit silly because the best KeSPA players who deserve the seed can definitely qualify by themselves, and they don't have the same kind of troubles than the foreigner players going to Korea.
Yes, I think since Koreans can go through the qualifiers, I don't think there should be a 'Kespa' seed per se. Although I think if a non Code S Korean (Kespa or eSF, etc) did do exceptional well in foreign tournaments, then they can qualify for the 'foreign' seed (This seed was never meant just for foreigners but someone doing well in foreign events. Polt and Voilet got their seeds this way).
On October 22 2012 07:03 LighT. wrote: Hehe, just to note. If you guys are korean, you could already tell who won Rain vs Hyvaa through the Effort/Flash chat in game 5 ^^ And they were talking about soo winning in game 6..cute ^^
On October 22 2012 19:42 Rexeus wrote: How do they determine the top players in the event of same score?
If, at the end of the Regular Season, there is a tie that must be broken in order to determine which Player(s) will advance to the Playoffs, all Tied Players will be scheduled to play all other Tied Players in 1 Game. After all Games have been played, each Player’s record of Games Won and Games Lost will be used to break the tie. If necessary, this process will be repeated until all Playoff Players have been determined.
If, at the end of the Regular Season, there is a tie between two or more Players who have each qualified for the Playoffs, the tie will be broken randomly.
At this point I feel like soO, Flash, Soulkey and hyvaa are the favorites to win their brackets in the pool play @ dallas. No matter what ESF players they might have to play :/
On October 23 2012 01:21 dunne_bo wrote: At this point I feel like soO, Flash, Soulkey and hyvaa are the favorites to win their brackets in the pool play @ dallas. No matter what ESF players they might have to play :/
agreed, although players like life/mvp/taeja/symbol could definitely give them trouble.
On October 23 2012 01:21 dunne_bo wrote: At this point I feel like soO, Flash, Soulkey and hyvaa are the favorites to win their brackets in the pool play @ dallas. No matter what ESF players they might have to play :/
agreed, although players like life/mvp/taeja/symbol could definitely give them trouble.
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But Jaedong is Jaedong man...
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