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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On October 21 2012 12:07 Doko wrote: Did mvp open his mouth at any point during the matches? I don't remember seeing it He did near the end of the last game (shown in the final reactions shots before he lost, I believe). | ||
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
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Probasaur
United States461 Posts
On October 21 2012 06:11 babylon wrote: Yup, and this is why a lot of people found the games boring. We've all seen more entertaining games out of the two of them before, but in this case, when both are playing to win ... Mvp studied Life, saw the ling-heavy composition backed up by strong multitasking and active backstabbing and decided turtling to mech would be most effective if accompanied by crippling the Zerg's economy with BFHs (what else are they for after all?). Life saw that Mvp was going mech, and because he didn't want to lose, he ditched his very strong and entertaining lairplay to go into BLs, because against 20 tanks there is literally nothing else you can do. People saying that he played one style and should've spammed roaches earlier to shut this down have to keep in mind that by not overmaking roaches, he freed up a lot of gas for his higher tech units like a fuckton of infestors, which bought him enough time in delaying Mvp's mech pushes to get his BLs out just in time, but obviously this only worked in cases where he wasn't too crippled by the batmobiles. This is a great post. This one, along with a bunch of others totally outweighs all the whiny bullshit posts in this thread. I was one of the people yelling at my screen for Life to build more spines (I at least understood why he wasn't building roaches) but after a while I realized he knew exactly what he was doing only building 1 or 2 and relying solely on his superb unit control. There were a few hiccups where he would lose 15 lings to one hellion burst, or when he wouldn't do the best drone split and lose too many at once. However like you mentioned even when he lost a lot, it wasn't critical damage. And also the times when he would only lose 9 or so while attacking with the drones, THAT is what seriously impressed me. I love how you pointed out how not getting roaches allowed him the gas to produce more infestors quicker, which allowed him to delay the mech push, which allowed him to get out 5-6 broods, which allowed him to win !!! When you look at all the amazing amount of thought he put into that and then how beautifully executed it was.... it really reignites my love for this game x1000. The same goes for Mvp, he also had really well thought out plans and for the most part he executed perfectly. But unfortunately for him that was only 'for the most part', because the parts he didn't, is the parts that cost him his 5th championship. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~BEST................. <GSL FINALS>...............EVER~~~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
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Artifex Magnus
United States75 Posts
On October 21 2012 13:16 tuho12345 wrote: ^ no, MVP vs Seed was much better. It had more variations, it had cheese and so much emotions. Not stupid BL/infestors vs mech in all 7 games. Both MVP and Life made so many sloppy mistakes and apparently MVP made more than Life so he lost. how very very poor of an understanding.. | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On October 21 2012 13:43 Artifex Magnus wrote: how very very poor of an understanding.. This series is vastly overrated if people are proclaiming it as the "Best series ever?". Not even. It was okay overall. | ||
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
Jiakji vs Leenock DRG vs MMA are still the best. The best GSL finals this year is 1.Squirtle vs MVP 2.MVP vs Life 3.DRG vs Genius /MC vs Seed | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
I've never had so many easy wins in my entire life, just blind 10 pools all over the place haha | ||
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P7GAB
Canada486 Posts
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
On October 21 2012 14:17 Sc2Null wrote: squirtle vs mvp was probably the best finals in MY OPINION. Any true Toss player can never like the Squirtle MVP finals because Squirtle lost game 7 to double proxy rax T_T | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
I think that is pretty understandable. If the zerg can hold off anything the terran throws at him with the same ling/queen/infestor composition it is reasonable to focus on a single playstyle and get as good at it as possible. There were so many different things happening in the MVP vs Squirtle finals. We had early base trade, a couple of macro games (at least one of them featuring superb drop play), a scary siege on Dual Sight with Squirtle counterattacking into MVP's nat and defending at the same time, epic air battle on Metropolis and the cheesy nailbiter in the G7. Watching MVP vs Life was all about "can MVP keep his drones killed / hellions lost ratio at 2.5+ for the first 12 minutes of the game?". It's just not exciting. Yeah, it takes a lot of skill to defend with lings and drones and remain cost-efficient etc. Balancing a ping-pong ball on the top of a 10-feet pole also takes a lot of skill, still I would not watch that for 2 hours. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On October 21 2012 16:09 scypio wrote: I think that is pretty understandable. If the zerg can hold off anything the terran throws at him with the same ling/queen/infestor composition it is reasonable to focus on a single playstyle and get as good at it as possible. There were so many different things happening in the MVP vs Squirtle finals. We had early base trade, a couple of macro games (at least one of them featuring superb drop play), a scary siege on Dual Sight with Squirtle counterattacking into MVP's nat and defending at the same time, epic air battle on Metropolis and the cheesy nailbiter in the G7. Watching MVP vs Life was all about "can MVP keep his drones killed / hellions lost ratio at 2.5+ for the first 12 minutes of the game?". It's just not exciting. Yeah, it takes a lot of skill to defend with lings and drones and remain cost-efficient etc. Balancing a ping-pong ball on the top of a 10-feet pole also takes a lot of skill, still I would not watch that for 2 hours. If you want to blame someone,blame MVP. He never tried anything other than mech for all the games. No Pure Bio No Standard Marine/Tank. That's why the game seems boring because there was no variety of play. | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
just because Zerg is currently very powerful doesn't mean every pro-Zerg player can now beat MVP | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 21 2012 16:40 FakeDeath wrote: If you want to blame someone,blame MVP. He never tried anything other than mech for all the games. No Pure Bio No Standard Marine/Tank. That's why the game seems boring because there was no variety of play. And Life went heavy lings each game. Which when controlled at Life's level, both bio and bio mech has a hard time against as shown by MKP and Taeja. | ||
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Jepsyn
Canada364 Posts
MVP vs Squirtle was not as good DrG vs MMA was not as good my favorite final before this MMA vs MVP was not as good This was the best | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On October 21 2012 16:40 FakeDeath wrote: If you want to blame someone,blame MVP. He never tried anything other than mech for all the games. No Pure Bio No Standard Marine/Tank. That's why the game seems boring because there was no variety of play. Marine/tank doesnt work that well against Life's style. Pure bio is even worse. MVP had to play a different style against Life, which also forced Life into a different style himself. I do wonder if maybe hellion/ghost would be an effective playstyle against Life though. He basically never makes banelings and relies heavily on infestors. Meanwhile, hellion/ghost could also allow you to still use marauders in the event of a roach switch. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On October 21 2012 16:40 FakeDeath wrote: If you want to blame someone,blame MVP. He never tried anything other than mech for all the games. No Pure Bio No Standard Marine/Tank. That's why the game seems boring because there was no variety of play. Because it is "IMPOSSIBLE" to play anything but mech vs top calibre zergs now thanks to blizzards balancing... User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On October 21 2012 16:50 TheRabidDeer wrote: Marine/tank doesnt work that well against Life's style. Pure bio is even worse. MVP had to play a different style against Life, which also forced Life into a different style himself. I do wonder if maybe hellion/ghost would be an effective playstyle against Life though. He basically never makes banelings and relies heavily on infestors. Meanwhile, hellion/ghost could also allow you to still use marauders in the event of a roach switch. I am not sure though. MKP did beat Life in Game 1 of Ro8 using Pure Bio using great splitting and sniping Infestor using Marauders. With great splitting to counter the effectiveness of Fungals and Marauder to snipe Infestors and also to force banelings and lessen production of Infestors. Isn't Pure Bio/Medivacs good against what Life was using if you do it well? | ||
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