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On October 20 2012 18:40 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
even terran ( or mvp fans ) have to admit that the last game had nothing to do with balance, mvp played like shit, he had an advantage and he moves out with like 80% of his army which should never be done while meching and then he lost it, reinforcing as mech is at that stage of the game close to impossible and zerg can just gain the momentum to crush u (which life did). If mvp would ve played a passive game getting his 170-200 supply timings right there would be a close to zero chance (if he doesnt screw up) to lose that game
i am pissed too that mvp lost, but blaming anyone but mvp is just retarded
EXACTLY.
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On October 20 2012 18:38 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 18:37 FakeDeath wrote:
You know when a player win GSL Code S as a first Royal Roader.
He is successful as a 15 year old.
Slaying the the terran people who were claiming is a bonjwa MVP.
He is on to great things.
the way jjakji and leenock were onto great things right?
Jiakji got knocked out by Shy in Code A.
I was like wtf but then Shy was just super good.
Then Shy proceeded knocked out Seed into Up/Down 2-0.
There are plenty of good players in Code B(Yonghwa,First,Effort,Baby,etc)
Leenock won 2 MLG Championship from open bracket and is the only guy who stopped MVP in the semi-final in the GSL.
Leenock is still young and good.
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On October 20 2012 18:38 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 18:35 Lunareste wrote:On October 20 2012 18:25 Zealously wrote:On October 20 2012 18:23 mambar wrote:On October 20 2012 18:22 GolemMadness wrote:On October 20 2012 18:21 Lunareste wrote:On October 20 2012 18:19 sharkie wrote:
at least this will stop the mvp bonjwa posts Lol it's pretty clear who had the better play and builds in this series. The guy who won it, probably. this is sc2, not sc1 Because in SC2, bad builds beat good builds, am I right? Well to be fair, MVP made his own new builds that completely countered (blue flame double rax) and used deceptive appearing builds (mass hellion into cloak banshee) to combat's Life's style. What amazes me is that in all 7 games, Life's playstyle was COMPLETELY countered and he still won. I do have to wonder, other than 100% countering a player's style that he never deviates from, stopping his cheese every time he does it, and not making the smallest of overextensions, what else could Mvp have done better in this series? Make vikings when he saw the spire late? Doesn't really work, Zerg can mass Corrupter/Brood Lord WAAYYYYY faster than Terran can possibly get up 2 Starports and get Vikings out. I'd also like to note that in the games where Mvp continued tank production while Brood Lords were being made, Ultralisks were the unit being produced after the initial push every single time. He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. I want to know what Blizzard believes is the correct way, as a Terran, to play against a Zerg who tech switches at will, after having your build completely countered from start to finish. So basically, he wasn't able to scout properly and prepare the necessary units in time, but should still be able to defend?
Well, thats kind of the problem. Not to bring balance discussion in, but when you see an Ultralisk Cavern finished and then a Greater Spire morphing.......what exactly are you supposed to do? You can bet your bottom dollar that MVP coin flipped and got lucky twice in a row.
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What did Tastosis say ? He is the first Royal BRWbawarwabäl ? Did any1 understand that?
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Even MVP's Sponsor would agree: "Life's Good"
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Absolutely amazing finals! Huge congratz to Life an amazing series played with almost no nerves. Though that 5 time championship trophy belongs in the IM house.
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On October 20 2012 18:37 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 18:34 HaXXspetten wrote:On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain
I am just stating obvious.lol I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already. As much as I am for the whole thing that Stephano is without a doubt Code S caliber.... just no How is Life better because he won one tournament, while Stephano has been consistently producing results for a year? The GSL bias is kinda ridiculous sometimes.
dude i have been providing consistent results for 6 years! Im the next Zerg bonjwa. Even though i play P. xD
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On October 20 2012 18:34 Schelim wrote:
this kinda shows that match lengths are ultimately arbitrary.
just looking at the results, if it was a bo3 Life would've won 2-0, if it was a bo5, MVP would've won 3-2, but it was a bo7 so Life won 4-3. maybe in a bo9 MVP wins, maybe not.
not at all trying to take away from Life's victory, just an observation. of course you could argue that they would've played differently if they were told it was a different match size.
tell that to Last. Kid was up three-to-nils in two bo7 and lost
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On October 20 2012 18:41 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 18:37 Talack wrote:On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain
I am just stating obvious.lol I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already. Stephano does very poorly vs people who have prepared extensively for him and does well in ladder-style tournaments like MLG. In the GSL you will have an entire team of people dedicated to figuring out how to abuse your style (which stephano is rooted in 100%, he is a stylist player) and how to counter it most effectively. Honestly I would not expect stephano to do well at all in the GSL, he`s simply not the kind of player who will excel in those circumstances. That being said, if all zergs would plan out their attacks like stephano does then i doubt we`d ever see a less than 90% zerg win rate in tournaments. That's the thing though. Haven't people been studying Stephano for over a year now? And they still can't stop him? I think he's best Zerg. I can't call Life the best Zerg yet. He won tonight and got 2nd in TSL4, but other than that, he doesn't have many results. Yeah he's always been good, but doesn't have too many results.
Ridiculous. Stephano needs to compete with the best to be judged the best. All he does is skirt around the fray.
He's an awesome player but calling him best is stupid.
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On October 20 2012 18:41 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 18:40 Fjodorov wrote:
Its interesting how well it worked for Life to play ling/infestor against mech. Its it doesnt matter if you play bio or mech, while for the terran they are so different playstyles. It looks so bad when Life is throwing away 20-30 lings at a time againt blue flame hellions but his injects are so good that zerg macro allows for that. I must say I like the aggressive style of Life but i wish he would show some more respect to Mvp now that he beat him. Im thinking about Lifes comments in interviews. If Life pulls that arrogant shit in his winner's interview I'm going to be very disappointed
He didn't even seem half as arrogant in his bearing in his on-stage interview.
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Mvp will not stop here as he said in the interview after he lost.
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On October 20 2012 18:25 Big J wrote:
I wanna go back to that moment Mvp had this brainfart thought of pushing through the middle with a thorbased - A THORBASED as in "LATEGAMESETUP, DON'T PUSH RIGHT NOW" - army to kill a hatchery, not even drones, just a hatchery. I wanna go back and slap him. Really hard in his face. Tell him that this isn't ladder. That this is a GSL finals. A deciding game. You don't flip a coin like that against the best opponent in the world.
I really want to slap him for that, make him not do that push, win that trophy.
This pretty much sums up my feelings.
I feel so frustrated because I wanted him to win so bad, but at the same time I'm comforted that he lost due to poor play and not due to any balance shenanigans.
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On October 20 2012 18:40 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
even terran ( or mvp fans ) have to admit that the last game had nothing to do with balance, mvp played like shit, he had an advantage and he moves out with like 80% of his army which should never be done while meching and then he lost it, reinforcing as mech is at that stage of the game close to impossible and zerg can just gain the momentum to crush u (which life did). If mvp would ve played a passive game getting his 170-200 supply timings right there would be a close to zero chance (if he doesnt screw up) to lose that game
i am pissed too that mvp lost, but blaming anyone but mvp is just retarded
Do you meant the attack where Mvp destroyed Life's 4th base while defending his own 4th base (the planetary)`?
I think Mvp thought he would be so ahead if he was 4 base against 3 base zerg even if he lost that army.
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On October 20 2012 18:40 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
even terran ( or mvp fans ) have to admit that the last game had nothing to do with balance, mvp played like shit, he had an advantage and he moves out with like 80% of his army which should never be done while meching and then he lost it, reinforcing as mech is at that stage of the game close to impossible and zerg can just gain the momentum to crush u (which life did). If mvp would ve played a passive game getting his 170-200 supply timings right there would be a close to zero chance (if he doesnt screw up) to lose that game
i am pissed too that mvp lost, but blaming anyone but mvp is just retarded
lol, Life was going on 5 bases. He would have had his infestor/BL army up MUCH faster. And MAX mech armies still have a tough time dealing with BL/corr/infestor.
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On October 20 2012 18:37 MVTaylor wrote:
I love infestors, they're my favorite unit in the game. The amount of micro they involve and the micro they promote make all games involving the massing of them so interesting, I'm glad life was able to put them to use so effectively in the final.
I see what you did there...
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Can someone tell me the name of the song they played that goes like "glory glory gloria....." if I'm not mistaken - I couldn't find it.
Bazinga found it
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On October 20 2012 18:42 ardi wrote:
Even MVP's Sponsor would agree: "Life's Good"
My stomach still hurts :D
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On October 20 2012 18:42 ardi wrote:
Even MVP's Sponsor would agree: "Life's Good"
Wow, I didn't think of that earlier. That's pretty damn funny, actually ^^
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It's still funny that Life said Mvp is not good at macro game. Seem like he has to change his mind. He almost lost that series.
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On October 20 2012 18:40 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 18:37 Talack wrote:On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain
I am just stating obvious.lol I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already. Stephano does very poorly vs people who have prepared extensively for him and does well in ladder-style tournaments like MLG. In the GSL you will have an entire team of people dedicated to figuring out how to abuse your style (which stephano is rooted in 100%, he is a stylist player) and how to counter it most effectively. Honestly I would not expect stephano to do well at all in the GSL, he`s simply not the kind of player who will excel in those circumstances. That being said, if all zergs would plan out their attacks like stephano does then i doubt we`d ever see a less than 90% zerg win rate in tournaments. Not that I'm saying Stephano is better, but we basically just watched a finals between Mvp (the guy who is best at planning out long series) vs. Life (the guy who doesn't seem to prepare much in terms of "style").
sorry, but that's just wrong. We saw all kinds of different styles by Life today, but it's really hard to filter it out, in all that shitfest of whine around here.
Life went for fast third builds, he went for fast speed and for delayed speed faster upgrade builds, he went for ling+roach+infestor agression, he went for ling+infestor aggression. He went for Ultras first and he went for Broodlords first.
Putting it like you (no switchup in styles), is like saying Mvp played Mech every game that's all that there is to it (which it isn't. He did it in various ways as well)
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