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MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
October 20 2012 09:45 GMT
#5441
On October 20 2012 18:42 ardi wrote:
Even MVP's Sponsor would agree: "Life's Good"


You win.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
October 20 2012 09:45 GMT
#5442
On October 20 2012 18:37 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:34 HaXXspetten wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain

I am just stating obvious.lol



I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already.

As much as I am for the whole thing that Stephano is without a doubt Code S caliber.... just no


How is Life better because he won one tournament, while Stephano has been consistently producing results for a year? The GSL bias is kinda ridiculous sometimes.


2-0 NesTea
2-0 JYP
2-0 Happy
2-1 Seed
3-1 MarineKing
3-0 TaeJa
4-3 Mvp

Add to that the fact that he crushes online tournaments and qualifiers (TSL4 2nd place? Not bad. Also he earned his Code A spot online), his 9-2 GSTL record with ZeNEX the previous season... yeah

I like Stephano but you can't possibly argue he's better than Life. Life is probably the best zerg on the planet at the moment, with DongRaeGu, Leenock and Symbol having faltered quite a bit.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
October 20 2012 09:45 GMT
#5443
On October 20 2012 18:42 ardi wrote:
Even MVP's Sponsor would agree: "Life's Good"


HEYYOHH! WP.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
October 20 2012 09:45 GMT
#5444
On October 20 2012 18:43 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:40 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
even terran ( or mvp fans ) have to admit that the last game had nothing to do with balance, mvp played like shit, he had an advantage and he moves out with like 80% of his army which should never be done while meching and then he lost it, reinforcing as mech is at that stage of the game close to impossible and zerg can just gain the momentum to crush u (which life did). If mvp would ve played a passive game getting his 170-200 supply timings right there would be a close to zero chance (if he doesnt screw up) to lose that game

i am pissed too that mvp lost, but blaming anyone but mvp is just retarded


Do you meant the attack where Mvp destroyed Life's 4th base while defending his own 4th base (the planetary)`?

I think Mvp thought he would be so ahead if he was 4 base against 3 base zerg even if he lost that army.

He destroy Life's 5th base. Non mining. Yes, he defended his 4th. But after that Life had a whole new roach/infestor army and MVP had half of the army he had a minute ago. It was a dumb attack.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44329 Posts
October 20 2012 09:45 GMT
#5445
On October 20 2012 18:42 ardi wrote:
Even MVP's Sponsor would agree: "Life's Good"


Hahahaha well played
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Dudasc
Profile Joined October 2012
Brazil286 Posts
October 20 2012 09:46 GMT
#5446
On October 20 2012 18:43 MooMu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:41 Havik_ wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:37 Talack wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain

I am just stating obvious.lol



I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already.


Stephano does very poorly vs people who have prepared extensively for him and does well in ladder-style tournaments like MLG. In the GSL you will have an entire team of people dedicated to figuring out how to abuse your style (which stephano is rooted in 100%, he is a stylist player) and how to counter it most effectively. Honestly I would not expect stephano to do well at all in the GSL, he`s simply not the kind of player who will excel in those circumstances.

That being said, if all zergs would plan out their attacks like stephano does then i doubt we`d ever see a less than 90% zerg win rate in tournaments.



That's the thing though. Haven't people been studying Stephano for over a year now? And they still can't stop him? I think he's best Zerg. I can't call Life the best Zerg yet. He won tonight and got 2nd in TSL4, but other than that, he doesn't have many results. Yeah he's always been good, but doesn't have too many results.


Ridiculous. Stephano needs to compete with the best to be judged the best. All he does is skirt around the fray.

He's an awesome player but calling him best is stupid.


exactly

Stephano is FAR inferior compared to life, looks like people didnt even watch this GSL. Jesus, some fans are so blind. I love stephano myself but you cant deny that life is superior
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 20 2012 09:46 GMT
#5447
On October 20 2012 18:45 MooMu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:42 ardi wrote:
Even MVP's Sponsor would agree: "Life's Good"


You win.

...they used the same pun for the semis recap >.<
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
October 20 2012 09:46 GMT
#5448
Kind of off topic, but I'm completely blown away by the fact that they played Tristan Prettyman during the winning picture collage.

Amazing artist but so unknown.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
October 20 2012 09:46 GMT
#5449
On October 20 2012 18:42 ardi wrote:
Even MVP's Sponsor would agree: "Life's Good"

Hahahaha, so good.

You win the thread
EZ4ENCE
tylerf
Profile Joined March 2012
739 Posts
October 20 2012 09:46 GMT
#5450
I really needed this. So far this year I had cheered for Genius, Squirtle, and MC. I was about to give up
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
October 20 2012 09:47 GMT
#5451
On October 20 2012 18:43 Chill Penguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:25 Big J wrote:
I wanna go back to that moment Mvp had this brainfart thought of pushing through the middle with a thorbased - A THORBASED as in "LATEGAMESETUP, DON'T PUSH RIGHT NOW" - army to kill a hatchery, not even drones, just a hatchery. I wanna go back and slap him. Really hard in his face. Tell him that this isn't ladder. That this is a GSL finals. A deciding game. You don't flip a coin like that against the best opponent in the world.
I really want to slap him for that, make him not do that push, win that trophy.


This pretty much sums up my feelings.

I feel so frustrated because I wanted him to win so bad, but at the same time I'm comforted that he lost due to poor play and not due to any balance shenanigans.


If you want to hurt your "favorite" player of whom you are a "fan" physically for not fulfilling your projection of sc2 ego you should visit a shrink. Im dead serious. Thats hooligan behavior.
Broodwar for life!
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 09:48:04
October 20 2012 09:47 GMT
#5452
Well all in all, MVP did do well with that counter. He clearly is a thinking player. Life, on his part, looked like a total monster and I had little doubt that he would lose to MVP. Whenever his drone count was untouched his victories looked one-sided and that does tell a lot.
As for the balance, I don't really enjoy the variety of SC2, it is poor. But I totally agree with Artosis blog post, SC was not balanced before BW at all too. Let us see if HoTs makes us stay and enjoy SC2 the way we all did BW. Cause if not, I shall be sad.

GJ Life, I rooted for you
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 20 2012 09:48 GMT
#5453
On October 20 2012 18:46 GinNtoniC wrote:
Kind of off topic, but I'm completely blown away by the fact that they played Tristan Prettyman during the winning picture collage.

Amazing artist but so unknown.

I actually copied down the lyrics to look up the song. Glad for that; she sounds like a great singer.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
October 20 2012 09:48 GMT
#5454
On October 20 2012 18:46 Dudasc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:43 MooMu wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:41 Havik_ wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:37 Talack wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain

I am just stating obvious.lol



I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already.


Stephano does very poorly vs people who have prepared extensively for him and does well in ladder-style tournaments like MLG. In the GSL you will have an entire team of people dedicated to figuring out how to abuse your style (which stephano is rooted in 100%, he is a stylist player) and how to counter it most effectively. Honestly I would not expect stephano to do well at all in the GSL, he`s simply not the kind of player who will excel in those circumstances.

That being said, if all zergs would plan out their attacks like stephano does then i doubt we`d ever see a less than 90% zerg win rate in tournaments.



That's the thing though. Haven't people been studying Stephano for over a year now? And they still can't stop him? I think he's best Zerg. I can't call Life the best Zerg yet. He won tonight and got 2nd in TSL4, but other than that, he doesn't have many results. Yeah he's always been good, but doesn't have too many results.


Ridiculous. Stephano needs to compete with the best to be judged the best. All he does is skirt around the fray.

He's an awesome player but calling him best is stupid.


exactly

Stephano is FAR inferior compared to life, looks like people didnt even watch this GSL. Jesus, some fans are so blind. I love stephano myself but you cant deny that life is superior


The thing I've come to realize is that most people don't really know the scene that well, they just follow the most popular players and assume that because they're popular they're also the best. (which is probably true for Mvp)

Such a stupid logic, but what are you going to do.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
October 20 2012 09:48 GMT
#5455
On October 20 2012 18:47 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:43 Chill Penguin wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:25 Big J wrote:
I wanna go back to that moment Mvp had this brainfart thought of pushing through the middle with a thorbased - A THORBASED as in "LATEGAMESETUP, DON'T PUSH RIGHT NOW" - army to kill a hatchery, not even drones, just a hatchery. I wanna go back and slap him. Really hard in his face. Tell him that this isn't ladder. That this is a GSL finals. A deciding game. You don't flip a coin like that against the best opponent in the world.
I really want to slap him for that, make him not do that push, win that trophy.


This pretty much sums up my feelings.

I feel so frustrated because I wanted him to win so bad, but at the same time I'm comforted that he lost due to poor play and not due to any balance shenanigans.


If you want to hurt your "favorite" player of whom you are a "fan" physically for not fulfilling your projection of sc2 ego you should visit a shrink. Im dead serious. Thats hooligan behavior.

There are various forms of slapping
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
October 20 2012 09:48 GMT
#5456
On October 20 2012 18:41 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:37 Awesomeness wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:34 HaXXspetten wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain

I am just stating obvious.lol



I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already.

As much as I am for the whole thing that Stephano is without a doubt Code S caliber.... just no


How is Life better because he won one tournament, while Stephano has been consistently producing results for a year? The GSL bias is kinda ridiculous sometimes.


haha. Can you be a sc2 fan and not be GSL "biased". You cant compare anything stephano has won to a GSL trophy.


So by that logic jjakji is more accomplished than marineking. Yes winning GSL is huge and certanly bigger than anyhting Stephano or Leenock won, but in the great scheme of things I still consider those guys to be better zerg-players. Life has yet to prove that he can produce results like that on a consistent basis and therefore isn't the "best zerg" YET imo.
xlord 5:0
gh0stsquall
Profile Joined March 2012
United States245 Posts
October 20 2012 09:48 GMT
#5457
why do you do this to me mvp
www.twitch.tv/ghostsquall || www.twitter.com/gh0stlol
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
October 20 2012 09:49 GMT
#5458
On October 20 2012 18:43 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:40 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
even terran ( or mvp fans ) have to admit that the last game had nothing to do with balance, mvp played like shit, he had an advantage and he moves out with like 80% of his army which should never be done while meching and then he lost it, reinforcing as mech is at that stage of the game close to impossible and zerg can just gain the momentum to crush u (which life did). If mvp would ve played a passive game getting his 170-200 supply timings right there would be a close to zero chance (if he doesnt screw up) to lose that game

i am pissed too that mvp lost, but blaming anyone but mvp is just retarded


Do you meant the attack where Mvp destroyed Life's 4th base while defending his own 4th base (the planetary)`?

I think Mvp thought he would be so ahead if he was 4 base against 3 base zerg even if he lost that army.


No, losing the army would be disastrous. He thought he could get out before Life responded, he overextended and paid for it.
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
October 20 2012 09:49 GMT
#5459
On October 20 2012 18:37 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:34 HaXXspetten wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain

I am just stating obvious.lol



I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already.

As much as I am for the whole thing that Stephano is without a doubt Code S caliber.... just no


How is Life better because he won one tournament, while Stephano has been consistently producing results for a year? The GSL bias is kinda ridiculous sometimes.


I would say that, at the moment, life is the best zerg in the world. I would say that Stephano is the most consistent, since he's been doing so well for so long.

You also have to remember that the GSL does in fact, have the best conditions and highest density of skilled players in any tournament. And Stephano has never played in it. Life has, and he won it. The people he knocked out weren't pushovers, either.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
October 20 2012 09:49 GMT
#5460
On October 20 2012 18:45 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:43 Fjodorov wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:40 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
even terran ( or mvp fans ) have to admit that the last game had nothing to do with balance, mvp played like shit, he had an advantage and he moves out with like 80% of his army which should never be done while meching and then he lost it, reinforcing as mech is at that stage of the game close to impossible and zerg can just gain the momentum to crush u (which life did). If mvp would ve played a passive game getting his 170-200 supply timings right there would be a close to zero chance (if he doesnt screw up) to lose that game

i am pissed too that mvp lost, but blaming anyone but mvp is just retarded


Do you meant the attack where Mvp destroyed Life's 4th base while defending his own 4th base (the planetary)`?

I think Mvp thought he would be so ahead if he was 4 base against 3 base zerg even if he lost that army.

He destroy Life's 5th base. Non mining. Yes, he defended his 4th. But after that Life had a whole new roach/infestor army and MVP had half of the army he had a minute ago. It was a dumb attack.


Yes, he did lose thors. But he had to do it. Even if he didn't, he would have had 30 roaches charging into his fourth and his tank count wasn't high enough. The reason why mech is so fragile is the thor/tank balance. Mvp choose to be thor heavy and Life made him pay with the roaches. If he went tank heavy, Life could mass mutas. It is pretty much a pick your poison.
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