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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
October 20 2012 09:36 GMT
#5381
On October 20 2012 18:34 openbox1 wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:34 Dodgin wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:33 openbox1 wrote:
oh well, another 17k in the bank for MvP. I think this pushes him way to the front of the pack since MC and Nestea haven't been winning as much?


I think MC is still slightly ahead.


Still?? Wow. Must be nice to be Boss Toss.


Yeah, true that, MC would still be significantly ahead even without the OSL 3rd place monies that he's just earned today. Hehe ^^
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
eleaf
Profile Joined September 2011
526 Posts
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5382
On October 20 2012 18:34 Schelim wrote:
this kinda shows that match lengths are ultimately arbitrary.

just looking at the results, if it was a bo3 Life would've won 2-0, if it was a bo5, MVP would've won 3-2, but it was a bo7 so Life won 4-3. maybe in a bo9 MVP wins, maybe not.

not at all trying to take away from Life's victory, just an observation. of course you could argue that they would've played differently if they were told it was a different match size.


Well, if bl+infestor
life win
else
mvp win
end

more simple, isnt it?
Zebb
Profile Joined March 2011
United States834 Posts
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5383
On October 20 2012 18:34 lichter wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:33 Fionn wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:31 Mattumsfox wrote:
Polt will win the next GSL.
Someone quote this in a couple months.


I already called Bogus vs. Polt GSL Finals at the start of Code A. It's gonna happen.

Also it was a very good finals. Not top 3, but probably 4th.

1. Squirtle/Mvp, Leenock/jjakji, MMA/DRG in whatever order
4. Life/Mvp
5. Nestea/MKP


Not really a lot of choices for #4 best finals man, easy call


Squirtle/MVP #1 for sure

imho
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5384
Urm btw guys off topic but where should we discuss DH Bucharest there's no thread....
Glorious SEA doto
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 09:38:17
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5385
You know when a player win GSL Code S as a first Royal Roader.
He is successful as a 15 year old.
Slaying the the terran people who were claiming is a bonjwa MVP.

He is on to great things.
Play your best
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5386
On October 20 2012 18:32 IMBAkorean wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:31 Mackus wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:30 dynwar7 wrote:
So guys, when is GSL season 5? Is it in about 2-3months?


Next week lmao

:/ seasons are so close together. There should be a 2 month off season


Finals are at IPL, that's why this season in particular is starting quickly.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5387
On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain

I am just stating obvious.lol



I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already.


Stephano does very poorly vs people who have prepared extensively for him and does well in ladder-style tournaments like MLG. In the GSL you will have an entire team of people dedicated to figuring out how to abuse your style (which stephano is rooted in 100%, he is a stylist player) and how to counter it most effectively. Honestly I would not expect stephano to do well at all in the GSL, he`s simply not the kind of player who will excel in those circumstances.

That being said, if all zergs would plan out their attacks like stephano does then i doubt we`d ever see a less than 90% zerg win rate in tournaments.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5388
On October 20 2012 18:34 Wildmoon wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain

I am just stating obvious.lol



I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already.


Stephano really?

White guy bonus doing its thing.
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5389
On October 20 2012 18:35 Farone wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:33 openbox1 wrote:
oh well, another 17k in the bank for MvP. I think this pushes him way to the front of the pack since MC and Nestea haven't been winning as much?


mvp is still behind MC a bit

standing atm, before mvp gets his 20k orso

http://sc2earnings.com/


I think Mvp goes to the top in terms of GSL winnings though
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5390
On October 20 2012 18:34 HaXXspetten wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:33 Havik_ wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:30 Wildmoon wrote:
the best zerg: Life
the best terran: Mvp
the best Protoss: Rain

I am just stating obvious.lol



I'm still of the opinion that Stephano is the better Zerg, but he needs to stop fucking around and play in GSL already.

As much as I am for the whole thing that Stephano is without a doubt Code S caliber.... just no


How is Life better because he won one tournament, while Stephano has been consistently producing results for a year? The GSL bias is kinda ridiculous sometimes.
xlord 5:0
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5391
On October 20 2012 18:23 dynwar7 wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:20 Ikris wrote:
Unbelievable.

This post won't last long as i'll be banned and it'll get deleted.

But this was an absolute disgrace. If this game is so freaking broken, with blizzard doing nothing but useless patches and disgusting units there's no reason whatsover for me to play this game when it's obvious it doesn't matter how good a player is, if they're not the right race, they're guaranteed not to win.
This finals was so supposed to be the resurgence of sc2 as a sport. This just killed it. A 'patchzerg' took out the best play in sc2 history with nothing but overpowered units and macro cheese.

Good riddance. It was fun while it lasted.

User was temp banned for this post.


At least you are honest and have the guts to say this, well done on that.


So you should not only be an idiot, you should be proud of it as well? x)

MVP obviously took a big risk when he walked out with 5 Thors solo, he knew Life had zerglings on the map. Life sees them and get 5 thors for free. GG
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
October 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#5392
I love infestors, they're my favorite unit in the game. The amount of micro they involve and the micro they promote make all games involving the massing of them so interesting, I'm glad life was able to put them to use so effectively in the final.
@followMVT
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
October 20 2012 09:38 GMT
#5393
Will enjoy reading the recap and analysis, hopefully they can get into the "mindgames" aspect
Everyone said Mvp's big advantage was set preparation and ability to use many different builds and styles, but all we saw today was mech, granted with significant differences in opener
Clearly he did this for a reason, and Life responded (eventually)
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
October 20 2012 09:38 GMT
#5394
On October 20 2012 18:27 MCXD wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:26 mambar wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:25 Zealously wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:23 mambar wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:22 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:21 Lunareste wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:19 sharkie wrote:
at least this will stop the mvp bonjwa posts


Lol it's pretty clear who had the better play and builds in this series.


The guy who won it, probably.

this is sc2, not sc1


Because in SC2, bad builds beat good builds, am I right?

yeah actually you are


Which is why MVP has 4 GSL championships right?

Because he has the worst builds =P


Who do you think had the better prepared builds for this series? Serious question.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
October 20 2012 09:38 GMT
#5395
On October 20 2012 18:36 letian wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:29 ShroudeD wrote:
I am almost as disappointed as i was when jangbi won..QQ..

I don't know which is worse, watching shit posts or yours


I like you letian.
The Bomber boy
nVusPip
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom260 Posts
October 20 2012 09:38 GMT
#5396
Awesome finals!

Does anyone know the song at the end of the show when all the players names were being shown? If you do please could you pm me the name thanks.
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
October 20 2012 09:38 GMT
#5397
On October 20 2012 18:33 vijeze wrote:
Wow. Life! So glad to see him win!
The balance whine apart, was this a good final?


It was amazing, for those who really sat through the entire season this was probably top 3 GSL finals ever AND combined with the story lines of the whole season this finals was even more amazing! Truly worth the watch. Also the montage at the end was sooo sick!
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 09:43:50
October 20 2012 09:38 GMT
#5398
On October 20 2012 18:35 Lunareste wrote:
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On October 20 2012 18:25 Zealously wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:23 mambar wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:22 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:21 Lunareste wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:19 sharkie wrote:
at least this will stop the mvp bonjwa posts


Lol it's pretty clear who had the better play and builds in this series.


The guy who won it, probably.

this is sc2, not sc1


Because in SC2, bad builds beat good builds, am I right?


Well to be fair, MVP made his own new builds that completely countered (blue flame double rax) and used deceptive appearing builds (mass hellion into cloak banshee) to combat's Life's style.

What amazes me is that in all 7 games, Life's playstyle was COMPLETELY countered and he still won.

I do have to wonder, other than 100% countering a player's style that he never deviates from, stopping his cheese every time he does it, and not making the smallest of overextensions, what else could Mvp have done better in this series?

Make vikings when he saw the spire late? Doesn't really work, Zerg can mass Corrupter/Brood Lord WAAYYYYY faster than Terran can possibly get up 2 Starports and get Vikings out. I'd also like to note that in the games where Mvp continued tank production while Brood Lords were being made, Ultralisks were the unit being produced after the initial push every single time. He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. I want to know what Blizzard believes is the correct way, as a Terran, to play against a Zerg who tech switches at will, after having your build completely countered from start to finish.


They were not necessarily new builds, but Mvp showcased really cool transitions that changed them from all-innish builds into solid macro ones.

A BFH opening doesn't counter zergling openings. Life slowly downloaded Mvp's hellion movement patterns after Game 4. On Ohana Mvp couldn't do a thing and constantly lost them.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
October 20 2012 09:38 GMT
#5399
as a terran my heart says whine, but my head says nein.
Amove for Aiur
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 20 2012 09:38 GMT
#5400
On October 20 2012 18:35 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:25 Zealously wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:23 mambar wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:22 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:21 Lunareste wrote:
On October 20 2012 18:19 sharkie wrote:
at least this will stop the mvp bonjwa posts


Lol it's pretty clear who had the better play and builds in this series.


The guy who won it, probably.

this is sc2, not sc1


Because in SC2, bad builds beat good builds, am I right?


Well to be fair, MVP made his own new builds that completely countered (blue flame double rax) and used deceptive appearing builds (mass hellion into cloak banshee) to combat's Life's style.

What amazes me is that in all 7 games, Life's playstyle was COMPLETELY countered and he still won.

I do have to wonder, other than 100% countering a player's style that he never deviates from, stopping his cheese every time he does it, and not making the smallest of overextensions, what else could Mvp have done better in this series?

Make vikings when he saw the spire late? Doesn't really work, Zerg can mass Corrupter/Brood Lord WAAYYYYY faster than Terran can possibly get up 2 Starports and get Vikings out. I'd also like to note that in the games where Mvp continued tank production while Brood Lords were being made, Ultralisks were the unit being produced after the initial push every single time. He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. I want to know what Blizzard believes is the correct way, as a Terran, to play against a Zerg who tech switches at will, after having your build completely countered from start to finish.


So basically, he wasn't able to scout properly and prepare the necessary units in time, but should still be able to defend?
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