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Monday, Oct 08 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
EU: Monday, Oct 08 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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Left side looks like the winning side, except hopefully qxc, where Sen is probably favored.
I don't know if any match up quite measures up to MC vs Taeja until later weeks when MMA vs Stephano occurs, but I'm excited nonetheless.
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Could you please(!) use more than just PDT times, its not even listed in top right corner on TL. Please also post the times in CEST, EDT and KST.
Dimaga 0-2 TT1
MMA 1-2 Nightend
QXC 0-2 Sen
Stephano 2-0 Finale
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The time format is correct it should show in your local time and it is listed in the top left hand corner.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On October 07 2012 14:05 Toozxious wrote:
Could you please(!) use more than just PDT times, its not even listed in top right corner on TL. Please also post the times in CEST, EDT and KST.
Dimaga 0-2 TT1
MMA 1-2 Nightend
QXC 0-2 Sen
Stephano 2-0 Finale
you can set it up so that TL displays local time in your profile settings, very useful feature
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After what happened to Ryung, if MMA no-shows I'll be so pissed.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On October 07 2012 16:11 Bagration wrote:
After what happened to Ryung, if MMA no-shows I'll be so pissed.
I wonder what is up with slayers T_T
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On October 07 2012 16:11 Bagration wrote:
After what happened to Ryung, if MMA no-shows I'll be so pissed.
Yeah me too. I haven't seen MMA play for long time so hope he plays. Go MMA, Sen and Stephano!
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Dimaga 66.73% - TT1 33.27%
MMA 70.72% - NightEnd 29.28%
Qxc 27.43% - Sen 72.57%
Stephano 79.38% - Finale 20.62%
These would be my odds.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Dimaga>TT1
MMA>Nightend
Sen>qxc
Stephano>Finale
Those are my predictions
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On October 07 2012 22:18 Leviance wrote:
Dimaga 66.73% - TT1 33.27%
MMA 70.72% - NightEnd 29.28%
Qxc 27.43% - Sen 72.57%
Stephano 79.83% - Finale 20.62%
These would be my odds.
wow that's pretty specific :o
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On October 07 2012 23:23 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 22:18 Leviance wrote:
Dimaga 66.73% - TT1 33.27%
MMA 70.72% - NightEnd 29.28%
Qxc 27.43% - Sen 72.57%
Stephano 79.83% - Finale 20.62%
These would be my odds. wow that's pretty specific :o
Also very low odds for Nightend. I'd take that bet in a heart beat.
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Not sure why everybody is counting out NightEnD vs. MMA as NightEnD did take out TaeJa in the Group Stage #1 of DreamHack Open Valencia.
I think it's going to be a pretty good series if NightEnD played the way he did against TaeJa. Looking forward to tonight's games.
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On October 07 2012 23:39 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 23:23 opterown wrote:On October 07 2012 22:18 Leviance wrote:
Dimaga 66.73% - TT1 33.27%
MMA 70.72% - NightEnd 29.28%
Qxc 27.43% - Sen 72.57%
Stephano 79.83% - Finale 20.62%
These would be my odds. wow that's pretty specific :o Also very low odds for Nightend. I'd take that bet in a heart beat.
30% is not VERY low
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On October 08 2012 03:20 Leviance wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 23:39 Dexington wrote:On October 07 2012 23:23 opterown wrote:On October 07 2012 22:18 Leviance wrote:
Dimaga 66.73% - TT1 33.27%
MMA 70.72% - NightEnd 29.28%
Qxc 27.43% - Sen 72.57%
Stephano 79.83% - Finale 20.62%
These would be my odds. wow that's pretty specific :o Also very low odds for Nightend. I'd take that bet in a heart beat. 30% is not VERY low
I'd put that match at a 50-50, so for me it is.
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Wait what, everybody all asked for a delay? I can understand the Koreans, but I guess foreigners also need a break every once in a while. Stephano continues his lazy streak.
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What's a roundtable?
Edit: Also, wow that kind of sucks. I was looking forward to tonight's matches 
Maybe everyone is celebrating Canadian thanksgiving can't blame them?
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From chat it it was Nightend losing his luggage, qxc/sen delayed due to MvP, and TT1/Dimage previously rescheduled so yeah possibly Thanksgiving.
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Man. Too bad no games today. Roundtable discussion should be good though.
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Very unfortunate we wont have any games tonight, combination of unlucky circomstances noone of the players was able to make it on time, we'll still have our little chat and inform you guys on whats up and we'll be back next week with longggggg broadcasting days as we will have many series to make up for 
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Stephano didn't show up and gave us no prior notice... NightEnD informed us that he lost his luggage coming back from IeSF and Qxc has 3 MVP MLG matches and didn't notify us in time to arrange a reschedule.
Very unfortunate situation, but seems like a lot of bad luck stacked up.
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As long as Lauren casts and/or plays robot unicorn all is forgiven.
Alllwaaays I want to be with you and make believe with you...
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Lauren's mic is too loud. Yes?
Edit: Seems better now.
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I understand NASL wants to be flexible with the players and that NASL isn't the only thing in their lives, but I feel that the rescheduling of matches makes it really hard to keep grasp of how people are currently standing in divisions. For example you're showing on stream right now that Polt is 4-0, but Hasu is 0-1. Yea, I can see Polt is leading, but I don't really have a grasp of where Hasu is standing since I'm seeing only 0-1. On some level, I almost wish they were walkovers just so I could have a better grasp of how divisions are unfolding. But as of now, I feel like the status of some of the divisions are just simply on hiatus which, for me, ultimately lowers the feeling of importance of some the matches (since I can't keep it straight in my head).
Should anyone from NASL read this, don't take this as a critique of what you guys do. There's really not much you guys can do in situations like these. Nonetheless I do feel like it's something you guys should keep in the back of your minds (which I'm sure it is, I can't imagine having a night of 3 reschedules and one walkover just goes unnoticed in the background).
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Too many ppl are talking at once... There needs to be either less people or a moderator.
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On October 08 2012 10:19 Oiseaux wrote:
I understand NASL wants to be flexible with the players and that NASL isn't the only thing in their lives, but I feel that the rescheduling of matches makes it really hard to keep grasp of how people are currently standing in divisions. For example you're showing on stream right now that Polt is 4-0, but Hasu is 0-1. Yea, I can see Polt is leading, but I don't really have a grasp of where Hasu is standing since I'm seeing only 0-1. On some level, I almost wish they were walkovers just so I could have a better grasp of how divisions are unfolding. But as of now, I feel like the status of some of the divisions are just simply on hiatus which, for me, ultimately lowers the feeling of importance of some the matches (since I can't keep it straight in my head).
Should anyone from NASL read this, don't take this as a critique of what you guys do. There's really not much you guys can do in situations like these. Nonetheless I do feel like it's something you guys should keep in the back of your minds (which I'm sure it is, I can't imagine having a night of 3 reschedules and one walkover just goes unnoticed in the background).
I think this hits the issue right on the head. NASL is a great tournament, but I think the constant rescheduling needs some punishment sometimes unless it really is a HUGE issue (e.g. NightEnD's current problem). Walkovers are needed to balance the scheduling, and it just piles up on top of each other until it becomes a huge clusterfuck. Sometimes players need to learn that simply skipping due to holidays (or in Stephano's case, simply not appearing) is a major issue and needs to be stopped.
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overlord balloon idea is actually brilliant. Please make this happen at NASL4 Finals. (And hold it in Toronto again
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Every single match not able to be played? This is seriously pathetic =/ players need to care more about NASL.
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United States33560 Posts
take those deposits and buy all of us hats
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did frodan just say "karont-three?"
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All games postponed? Well that sucks.. I really wanted to see MMA's, Stephano's and Sen's games.
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Looks like Stephano going to EG didn't change his behavior at all.
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wow wonder why no one could play lol what is going on ? MLG qualifers?
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what the.....no match?
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Players get 50$ for every won match right? They should care more. I would go as far as no rescheduling should be allowed at all. If someone can't / doesn't want to make it, so be it. Priorities should be set, and if a player consistently misses his matches, he should just not be considered for the next season. The amount of rescheduling in NASL is ridiculous compared to other sports / other SC events.
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Man, what the hell. :/ These fucking players.
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So no games at all?Not even the rebroadcast?
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Isn't the Sunday rebroadcast usually on Wednesday?
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On October 08 2012 10:54 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 10:19 Oiseaux wrote:
I understand NASL wants to be flexible with the players and that NASL isn't the only thing in their lives, but I feel that the rescheduling of matches makes it really hard to keep grasp of how people are currently standing in divisions. For example you're showing on stream right now that Polt is 4-0, but Hasu is 0-1. Yea, I can see Polt is leading, but I don't really have a grasp of where Hasu is standing since I'm seeing only 0-1. On some level, I almost wish they were walkovers just so I could have a better grasp of how divisions are unfolding. But as of now, I feel like the status of some of the divisions are just simply on hiatus which, for me, ultimately lowers the feeling of importance of some the matches (since I can't keep it straight in my head).
Should anyone from NASL read this, don't take this as a critique of what you guys do. There's really not much you guys can do in situations like these. Nonetheless I do feel like it's something you guys should keep in the back of your minds (which I'm sure it is, I can't imagine having a night of 3 reschedules and one walkover just goes unnoticed in the background). I think this hits the issue right on the head. NASL is a great tournament, but I think the constant rescheduling needs some punishment sometimes unless it really is a HUGE issue (e.g. NightEnD's current problem). Walkovers are needed to balance the scheduling, and it just piles up on top of each other until it becomes a huge clusterfuck. Sometimes players need to learn that simply skipping due to holidays (or in Stephano's case, simply not appearing) is a major issue and needs to be stopped.
It is a difficult situation, there are rare cases where players are to blame, however there is a complete over-saturation of Starcraft out there now. With a decent number of premier tournaments, loads of intermediate tournaments and countless weekly cups and show-matches players (and viewers a-like) want a piece of everything. It just all seems like a logistical nightmare. The way I see it there's three options to solve this (and none of them are good).
1) Set dates where you play several games and essentially stockpile replays.
- This was basically the method they used in season 1 (and 2?) and I think everyone (along with the NASL team themselves) agrees that it won't be done again. The current system has its problems no doubt, but it's still a huge improvement and I hope the old system of playing games up to 4 weeks in advance doesn't make a return.
2) Lock players into contracts, not allowing them to participate in certain tournaments
- This just won't happen, end off. Even if NASL wanted to do this I'm certain there would be next to no player/team who would agree to it since there's just so many options out there. Aside from the potential loss of prize money from other tournaments there's the loss of exposure which teams would deem unacceptable. And that's not even mentioning the red-tape/legal crap that comes with that
3) Tough love: Set strict walk-over policies and tougher deadlines for informing admins of participation in other tournaments
- Kind of what was mentioned in the above quote. Possibly the most feasible of the three ideas but still probably won't be done. Even if NASL did set stricter deadlines and were less flexible I still don't think it would solve the problem. Instead we'd be left with up to a third of matches been walk-overs and loss of viewership.
Ultimately I think the current system is good. Yes today (or yesterday for American viewers) did highlight how the system can fail, but we're almost half way through the season and this is the first time it's happened. There's usually at least 2 matches shown every broadcast (and when there isn't the filler is entertaining enough). All I will say (for my 2 cents) is it really could do with a little tweeking and some fine-tuning. Also I really wouldn't want the job of the NASL person behind all the logistics.
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Honestly what is the problem with how Season 3 was handled?
Quite a lot of the matches were live and those that weren't had relatively fresh replays, in total 21 walkovers were issued.
This season so far 6 walkovers have been issued (with current trend leads to 13,5 walkovers over entire season) but there have been reschedules all over the place. In all honesty I can't remember the last day there have been no changes to the lineup and this makes the league very hard to follow.
In addition to the problems listed earlier with the new approach you also have that a part of your viewerbase mainly turns in to see <player x> play and as a result get pissed off when they see that his match won't be aired today but god knows when.
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Waaaayyyyy too many postponed matches and I think they take too long between games, talking a whole bunch about nothing and promotional stuff. I don't even watch anymore, just check out liquipedia the next day.
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