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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
September 17 2012 00:28 GMT
#7121
He's a showman. This is more entertaining than an awkward korean nerd emotionless and just bowing to the crowd. If you think he's a jerk, that's your problem. If the tournament didnt enforce any warnings on the player, its not a problem. Not as if Vortix ended up emotionally scarred because his opponent believed in himself.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 17 2012 00:29 GMT
#7122
Got the opportunity to shake hands with some of the best in the scene and witnessed a bit of sc2 history.

This has been a great weekend.

Congratulations to all the players who made it here, to the ones who got through to the world finals and to Dreamhack and Blizzard for a spectacular event. It was truly a blast.

I did miss the multiple streams and LR though, I have to admit that. Seems like the Italian stream was a hit. Now it's time to sleep, wake up in time for breakfast, check out and ride back home to the northern wilderness. Good night and take care.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
September 17 2012 00:29 GMT
#7123
On September 17 2012 08:31 artosismermaid wrote:
can't wait till the finals in china, scarlett will crush stephano


And who that might be?

Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
September 17 2012 00:29 GMT
#7124
On September 17 2012 09:23 hoopsnake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 08:58 Incomplet wrote:You're right. From the responses from many of the people here, I have come to a conclusion that to be successful, you have to be a jerk. I guess nice guys really do finish last. LOL.
Coming from a guy who throws the racism card like it's a hot potato, I'm not surprised to see a ladder theory reference. Also, please leave little old ladies out of the discussion.


The truth is already out

Poll: How do you feel about arrogance in E-Sports?

I love it (110)
 
73%

I hate it (40)
 
27%

150 total votes

Your vote: How do you feel about arrogance in E-Sports?

(Vote): I hate it
(Vote): I love it



People love arrogance. People love a "showman" who says rude and disrespectful things to please people like you who enjoy laughing at other people's misery. People like you actually believe this "showman" that he only practices 3 hours a day and is "going to quit soon and trying to earn as much money as possible". Its all a show, and you all believe every word he says. Its almost as bad as watching the fake WWF wrestlers and the rednecks who believe its all real. LOL
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 17 2012 00:31 GMT
#7125
it's okay guys, creator will win WCS Global ;D
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
September 17 2012 00:33 GMT
#7126
On September 17 2012 09:31 opterown wrote:
it's okay guys, creator will win WCS Global ;D


I really hope Creator gets to face Stephano at some point.

opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 17 2012 00:34 GMT
#7127
On September 17 2012 09:33 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 09:31 opterown wrote:
it's okay guys, creator will win WCS Global ;D


I really hope Creator gets to face Stephano at some point.


it'll be a good match
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-17 00:38:44
September 17 2012 00:38 GMT
#7128
On September 17 2012 09:23 Black17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 09:17 xrapture wrote:
On September 17 2012 07:35 MetalPanda wrote:
On September 17 2012 07:33 Huragius wrote:
On September 17 2012 07:29 RoyAlex wrote:
On September 17 2012 07:11 Fusilero wrote:
On September 17 2012 07:10 RoyAlex wrote:
On September 17 2012 07:07 stephenrau wrote:
On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.

All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).

Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.

Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.



Lol stupid haters who can't admit his talent:

Kevin van der Kooi ‏@RotterdaM08
Freaking Stephano. :D He was here for 6 days.. didn't play a single game, flies for 20 hours.. shows up and wins. Just makes you mad. :D GG!


He was hanging out with NASL staff in California filming content and playing with his playmate Lauren just last weekend from Sat to Wed.



Hehe, you almost have to feel bad for other player at the events like Grubby, Lucifron, Thorzain etc. :D
Also players like Incontrol & Idra etc. who get so much shit for being "bad" at the game, yet they practices more than Stephano and he just rapes them ez.

Guess i can see why some ppl don't want him to act like that, especially when he so talented and don't practice.
When other people practices so much more and have a passion for the game and Esports, like Grubby etc..

So I can see why some people percive him as an arrogant ass.

I can virtually guarantee the stephano doesn't practice is an exaggerated myth that gets spread because of stephano's image.


Well I don't think people thinks he never practices, atleast thats not what I think. Surely he plays the game & practices! But from what a lot of people say, like Bling, Rotterdam and Stephano himself. It does not looks like he practices anywere near 8 hours or anything like that. Yet beats everyone easy, even Koreans like MC, HerO, Taeja and 99% of every foreigners. Most people he beats probably trains a lot more than Stephano.

Stephano kinda looks like an foreigner Stork or something.


What the fuck ? Stephano beats Taeja, MC and Hero easy ? Really ?
I hope WCS world will open fanboys eyes. Stephano is good, maybe the best foreign player. But he's just another foreigner for Top Korean players.


That's so not true. He's one of the best zerg there is period, after DRG and maybe curious and symbol, maybe them.


And Life, Hyun, Leenock, Violet, Cocoa, Sniper, and Lucky.

Not to mention a bunch of Kespa Zergs that will be Code S level very soon-- Roro/effort/hero etc.


Possible to be even more bias? I mean even the worst Stephano hater would agree that he is at least top 5 zerg in the world right now. He's the player who earned the most money in 2012, 4th overall, he won 4 premium tournaments, he beats code A/S koreans every tournaments he plays in...

What do you want him to do?

EDIT: you forgot Destiny also.


I think he wants him to win GSL and be more dominant vs koreans in tournaments hes in with them. Not my personal opinion, but I can see his side of it.
Anton K
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden277 Posts
September 17 2012 00:38 GMT
#7129
Stephano commented to a swedish News Paper called Aftonblader and said this:

– Jag tycker inte att jag är kaxig... jag är en underhållare. Jag säger bara det publiken vill höra.


Translated it means:

-I dont think I am cocky... I am an entertainer. I only say what the audience wants to hear.


So there you have it.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
September 17 2012 00:40 GMT
#7130
wc3 demographic = sc2 demographic
as proven by the "Who do you want to be your champion" poll
rip real starcraft, 1998-2012
I drop suckas like Plinko
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 17 2012 00:43 GMT
#7131
On September 17 2012 09:40 Gann1 wrote:
wc3 demographic = sc2 demographic
as proven by the "Who do you want to be your champion" poll
rip real starcraft, 1998-2012

well if you threw in a popular korean BW pro like jaedong, he'd be up there too haha (i daresay maybe even more than grubby or steph)
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Black17
Profile Joined October 2011
France435 Posts
September 17 2012 00:45 GMT
#7132
Any reason why they don't update TL's front page ? :o
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
September 17 2012 00:45 GMT
#7133
On September 17 2012 09:40 Gann1 wrote:
wc3 demographic = sc2 demographic
as proven by the "Who do you want to be your champion" poll
rip real starcraft, 1998-2012


do you realise 6 out of 8 people in the "Who do you want to be your champion" poll were former wc3 players?
Darg
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland18 Posts
September 17 2012 00:45 GMT
#7134
Overall:

Mana: dissapointed me a lot (got rly hard bracket but anywaylost to Bly!?!?)
Thorzian: Like Nerchio said, he is like a shadow of himself
Babyknight: Rly good protoss but still just not rly skilled vs. hard opponents.( he would lost vs. pr0's like every single game)
Lowely" Going from one random thing to another...
Vortix: 3rd best zerg in the Europe. just afer Stephano and Nerchio(you alredy know that)
Lucifron: One of the Best (beast) terran in game right now. (he is like Kas but with way way more better moves ingame.)
Bly: Random zerg with good skills. ( He is loosing like 70% percent games when opponent make hard presure on him)

Anyway Lucifron makes me happy a lot. He is overpowered. He is prolly one who can make a dream to be true.Beat Teaja!(except Stephano, MaNa, MkP,as a race)
hoopsnake
Profile Joined September 2012
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-17 00:52:53
September 17 2012 00:46 GMT
#7135
On September 17 2012 09:29 Incomplet wrote:LOL
I said leave the ladies out of it!

Anyways thanks for all the stream and thread updates Opterown. I liked your honesty in saying your parents forced you to stop. I probably would've invented an excuse, perhaps cat-related.
lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
September 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#7136
On September 17 2012 09:43 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 09:40 Gann1 wrote:
wc3 demographic = sc2 demographic
as proven by the "Who do you want to be your champion" poll
rip real starcraft, 1998-2012

well if you threw in a popular korean BW pro like jaedong, he'd be up there too haha (i daresay maybe even more than grubby or steph)


Yeah I remember back in the day some chinese bw tournament drawing in like 6 million viewers or something completely absurd like that...
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
September 17 2012 00:54 GMT
#7137
On September 17 2012 09:29 Incomplet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 09:23 hoopsnake wrote:
On September 17 2012 08:58 Incomplet wrote:You're right. From the responses from many of the people here, I have come to a conclusion that to be successful, you have to be a jerk. I guess nice guys really do finish last. LOL.
Coming from a guy who throws the racism card like it's a hot potato, I'm not surprised to see a ladder theory reference. Also, please leave little old ladies out of the discussion.


The truth is already out

Poll: How do you feel about arrogance in E-Sports?

I love it (110)
 
73%

I hate it (40)
 
27%

150 total votes

Your vote: How do you feel about arrogance in E-Sports?

(Vote): I hate it
(Vote): I love it



People love arrogance. People love a "showman" who says rude and disrespectful things to please people like you who enjoy laughing at other people's misery. People like you actually believe this "showman" that he only practices 3 hours a day and is "going to quit soon and trying to earn as much money as possible". Its all a show, and you all believe every word he says. Its almost as bad as watching the fake WWF wrestlers and the rednecks who believe its all real. LOL


accidently hated it.. oops. don't love it either. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. with Stephano it works, he's good for the scene
n.Die_Jaedong
Phemtos
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada163 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-17 01:07:32
September 17 2012 01:06 GMT
#7138
On September 17 2012 09:45 Darg wrote:
Overall:

Mana: dissapointed me a lot (got rly hard bracket but anywaylost to Bly!?!?)
Thorzian: Like Nerchio said, he is like a shadow of himself
Babyknight: Rly good protoss but still just not rly skilled vs. hard opponents.( he would lost vs. pr0's like every single game)
Lowely" Going from one random thing to another...
Vortix: 3rd best zerg in the Europe. just afer Stephano and Nerchio(you alredy know that)
Lucifron: One of the Best (beast) terran in game right now. (he is like Kas but with way way more better moves ingame.)
Bly: Random zerg with good skills. ( He is loosing like 70% percent games when opponent make hard presure on him)

Anyway Lucifron makes me happy a lot. He is overpowered. He is prolly one who can make a dream to be true.Beat Teaja!(except Stephano, MaNa, MkP,as a race)

Did nerchio really say that about Thorzain? I really feel sad about thorzain, I'm not quite sure what happened since his last DH win but he has been struggling alot lately. I always considered him one of the best terran in the world for how refined his personal builds were.
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
September 17 2012 01:07 GMT
#7139
Okay I'm reading a lot of posts about Stephano being arrogant and I don't know what people are talking about. Can someone explain or link me? Hard to go back and find what exactly happened in such a long thread as this one!
For the Swarm!
v_lm
Profile Joined September 2012
France202 Posts
September 17 2012 01:08 GMT
#7140
Stephano is arrogant AND manner = classy I think. MC is arrogant AND funny = entertaining. Seed is not arrogant neither funny neither anything, he's just emotionless = boring. That's only my point of view.
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