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Rioo
Profile Joined May 2012
46 Posts
September 16 2012 22:09 GMT
#6921
Great tournament with great games, especially Stephano vs Lucifron yesterday. DH delivers as always.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 16 2012 22:09 GMT
#6922
On September 17 2012 07:07 Incomplet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.

All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).

Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.

Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.


Humble Korean Act
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218647



Sorry but the only reason Stephano is popular is because he is white and can occasionally take down Koreans. Its racist, narrow-minded people like you, who have no idea about the enthusiasm of many Koreans who make me sick.

In other words:
1 Korean wins and is a bore = all koreans are boring?
1 foreigner celebrates in style = all foreigners celebrate in style?

LOL. Take your racism and GTFO out of Team Liquid.


Amen.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
September 16 2012 22:09 GMT
#6923
i`m a grubby fan and i get scared when i see ppl saying that acting like stephano is normal when you are good.

Grubby DO have personality and it`s a very inteligent person and he can still be humble and honest and NOT cocky.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Rojam
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany234 Posts
September 16 2012 22:09 GMT
#6924
This was definitely the best sc2 tournament this year. There's only one tournament that was even better and gave me the chills: The International 2 (To be fair, I guess it was the crowd and the insanely great casting). And no, I'm not (even) playing DotA2 ! All in all, great work Dreamhack !
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
September 16 2012 22:10 GMT
#6925
On September 17 2012 07:08 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 07:05 Integra wrote:
Ya, its strange how Dreamhack can outperform MLG, with that said its the smaller details that MLG misses and that Dreamhack gets 100% right.


I don't think it's the smaller details. It's the entire structure of the tournament.

MLG is, first of all, PPV for half of its streams. Then you have these delays and advertisements that make up 20-30% of the tournament's time. Follow it up with them not showing the best games that people want to watch - ie Stephano's games the last MLG - and awkward awards ceremonies and the only decent thing you're able to say about MLG is that they have better competition in their tournaments due to flying in a lot of Korean pros.

The LAN party side of Dreamhack is an acquired taste. But when they beat MLG in everything else except for quad streaming technology, it's hard not to say that DH is better.

Guess you are right O_o.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
MCMXVI
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1193 Posts
September 16 2012 22:10 GMT
#6926
Major props to the dreamhack crew who managed to put on an amazing tournament for the audience and stream viewers! An almost perfect tournament in my eyes. Superb production, casting, observing, and all the little details that matters (games starting on time, free HD stream, easy overview of matches).

Cheers DH and Blizzard!
In capitalist America, bank robs YOU!
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
September 16 2012 22:10 GMT
#6927
On September 17 2012 07:07 stephenrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.

All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).

Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.

Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.



Lol stupid haters who can't admit his talent:

Kevin van der Kooi ‏@RotterdaM08
Freaking Stephano. :D He was here for 6 days.. didn't play a single game, flies for 20 hours.. shows up and wins. Just makes you mad. :D GG!


He was hanging out with NASL staff in California filming content and playing with his playmate Lauren just last weekend from Sat to Wed.



Hehe, you almost have to feel bad for other player at the events like Grubby, Lucifron, Thorzain etc. :D
Also players like Incontrol & Idra etc. who get so much shit for being "bad" at the game, yet they practices more than Stephano and he just rapes them ez.

Guess i can see why some ppl don't want him to act like that, especially when he so talented and don't practice.
When other people practices so much more and have a passion for the game and Esports, like Grubby etc..

So I can see why some people percive him as an arrogant ass.
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
September 16 2012 22:10 GMT
#6928
Bleh, I always have this feeling of emptiness after a great event is over. When is the next major tournament?
Omri
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel638 Posts
September 16 2012 22:10 GMT
#6929
Really great event, thanks to Blizzard, DreamHack and the casters, the hosts, the observer and the players for a great show
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9707 Posts
September 16 2012 22:10 GMT
#6930
On September 17 2012 07:05 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 07:01 Leru wrote:
On September 17 2012 06:59 Vaftrudner wrote:
On September 17 2012 06:51 Doodsmack wrote:
I'm a big fan of Stephano and I rooted for him, but I'll be honest it's a bit lame when he says he that all the tournament means for him is the money lol. Hopefully EG talks to him about how often he says that. Would be much easier to get behind him if he showed some passion for the game. It seems like he doesn't care much about competing :/.

So he plays for the money, he's cocky and not very passionate. Who cares? He's still a genius. He outplays people who practice twice as hard, he powers through marathon tournament after marathon tournament, he's constantly analysed and discussed but still people can't take him down. That's why I love him. He's so damn good at this game. I honestly don't care whether or not he's good or bad for esports, good or bad at PR, how he brands himself, where he vomits, all that bullshit. He's a magician when it comes to actually playing the game.


I think if eSports will ever be something like normal sports players should learn something about sportmanship , winning and earning $ shouldn't give you the right to be arrogant and act like a mercenary.


What a load of crap. Esport doing fine just look at this event. And don't mistake cockiness with unsportsmanlike. I never seen Stephano BM anyone



Its amazing how people confuse being full on arrogant (Idra) with being cocky in a funny way (Stephano).
And everyone seems to conveniently forget MC when they are whining about Stephano's personality.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 16 2012 22:10 GMT
#6931
On September 17 2012 07:10 Mouzone wrote:
Bleh, I always have this feeling of emptiness after a great event is over. When is the next major tournament?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_DreamHack_Open/Valencia
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
September 16 2012 22:10 GMT
#6932
On September 17 2012 07:07 Incomplet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.

All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).

Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.

Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.




Sorry but the only reason Stephano is popular is because he is white and can occasionally take down Koreans. Its racist, narrow-minded people like you, who have no idea about the enthusiasm of many Koreans who make me sick.

In other words:
1 Korean wins and is a bore = all koreans are boring?
1 foreigner celebrates in style = all foreigners celebrate in style?

LOL. Take your racism and GTFO out of Team Liquid.


Not a good way to start when you want to write about racism and being narrow-minded...
xlord 5:0
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#6933
On September 17 2012 07:10 RoyAlex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 07:07 stephenrau wrote:
On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.

All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).

Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.

Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.



Lol stupid haters who can't admit his talent:

Kevin van der Kooi ‏@RotterdaM08
Freaking Stephano. :D He was here for 6 days.. didn't play a single game, flies for 20 hours.. shows up and wins. Just makes you mad. :D GG!
https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/247453316680937472

He was hanging out with NASL staff in California filming content and playing with his playmate Lauren just last weekend from Sat to Wed.



Hehe, you almost have to feel bad for other player at the events like Grubby, Lucifron, Thorzain etc. :D
Also players like Incontrol & Idra etc. who get so much shit for being "bad" at the game, yet they practices more than Stephano and he just rapes them ez.

Guess i can see why some ppl don't want him to act like that, especially when he so talented and don't practice.
When other people practices so much more and have a passion for the game and Esports, like Grubby etc..

So I can see why some people percive him as an arrogant ass.

I can virtually guarantee the stephano doesn't practice is an exaggerated myth that gets spread because of stephano's image.
Glorious SEA doto
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
September 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#6934
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 17 2012 07:07 Incomplet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.

All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).

Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.

Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.


Humble Korean Act
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218647
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvVAa5SV8b0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krjklSLgfE

Sorry but the only reason Stephano is popular is because he is white and can occasionally take down Koreans. Its racist, narrow-minded people like you, who have no idea about the enthusiasm of many Koreans who make me sick.

In other words:
1 Korean wins and is a bore = all koreans are boring?
1 foreigner celebrates in style = all foreigners celebrate in style?

LOL. Take your racism and GTFO out of Team Liquid.


You are the most racist guy I ever seen. If Stephano was Korean he wouldn't get half the shit he has got true the year.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
September 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#6935
On September 17 2012 07:10 Mouzone wrote:
Bleh, I always have this feeling of emptiness after a great event is over. When is the next major tournament?

Dreamhack is the next weekend?
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
TheSwedishFan
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden608 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-16 22:14:39
September 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#6936
On September 17 2012 07:07 Incomplet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.

All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).

Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.

Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.


Humble Korean Act
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218647
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvVAa5SV8b0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krjklSLgfE

Sorry but the only reason Stephano is popular is because he is white and can occasionally take down Koreans. Its racist, narrow-minded people like you, who have no idea about the enthusiasm of many Koreans who make me sick.

In other words:
1 Korean wins and is a bore = all koreans are boring?
1 foreigner celebrates in style = all foreigners celebrate in style?

LOL. Take your racism and GTFO out of Team Liquid.


It's you that are being racist...
"Suck it" - Kennigit 2012
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
September 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#6937
DH production is unparalleled in e-sports.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8305 Posts
September 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#6938
On September 17 2012 07:05 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 07:04 TheDougler wrote:
On September 17 2012 07:01 Fusilero wrote:
On September 17 2012 07:01 simmeh wrote:
next up wcs asia continental finals

the lack of korean terrans in it makes me sad

kind of crazy that the biggest sc2 tournament of all time (Wcs world finals) is not going to have a single korean terran o_O

I hope you love PvP.


It'll most likely have a total of four terrans period unless Redarchon or Infi somehow defy all odds and pull off a miracle.

If there's a single terran in the RO16 I'll be happy.

Have faith in infi, he tower rushed everyone in WC3 watch him bunker rush to WCS victory.


We can hope. I guess XY placed fourth in China, so maybe that means something... Probably has better odds than RedArchon who lost to HuK and Fenix in Blizzcon 2010 (not that that is particularly relevant). Arrrg, FOUR terrans is just really quite sad. It'll make it epic as fuck if they do well though. Lucifron seems like he has a chance of doing okay at least.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
September 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#6939
On September 17 2012 07:08 Lokj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 07:04 Wombat_NI wrote:
On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.

All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).

Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.

Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.

Stop using the word hater, should be fucking banned. Not you in particular but just because people aren't sucking somebody's dick doesn't mean they're being a 'hater'. God worst term to crop up in common discourse in my living memory!

I view Stephano as a Michael Schumacher kind of figure, everyone will respect their ability as you simply have to. Not everybody will love the guy. You say 'he has personality deal with it', perhaps he has a personality other people don't like!

Grubby and Stephano both have personalities, but they're entirely different personalities that will attract different folks


True fucking statement.

Now did we just saw 100k+ viewers on stream? hooollaaaa!

PS Rachel looked good when giving nods and feedback, i thouroughly enjoyed those moments.

Thank you sir, also holy shit 100k? Is that a record of sorts?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
September 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#6940
On September 17 2012 07:10 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 07:10 Mouzone wrote:
Bleh, I always have this feeling of emptiness after a great event is over. When is the next major tournament?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_DreamHack_Open/Valencia


Oh, that soon. And it's a DH production aswell. Great news indeed!
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