Wow Protoss made it so far, RoRo was the only zerg player that made it far, other than that it was literally a protoss death arena in the winners bracket
YEAH!! GO creator!! funnily enough whenever i've watched him live for the past six weeks ago he's won every match (i missed the curious and the squirtle matches haha). otherwise creator's done really well the past few weeks in TSL4, WCS, etc
On August 24 2012 22:10 PhoenixVoid wrote: Was it not Polt vs Curious? Looking for Squirtle to win the Finals, and Polt to at least qualify as the only Terran ;_;
i think its gonna be polt, curious for the consolation matches, while parting beats creator and squirtle beat parting in the finals. however im okay with anyone winning the WCS really since creator squirtle and parting are my top 3 favorite protosses atm =)
On August 24 2012 22:57 GumBa wrote: So if Polt wins he has qualified for WCS right? Like if Polt and Curious win they still have to play but they both qualify correct?
they will qualify, and they won't have to play after this
On August 24 2012 22:57 GumBa wrote: So if Polt wins he has qualified for WCS right? Like if Polt and Curious win they still have to play but they both qualify correct?
they will qualify, and they won't have to play after this
Ah sick thx ^___^ GOGOGOG Polt :D and Curious so we have more race diversity but mainly Polt! Crush Miya :D
I'm honestly not interested in PvP, and I've had enough of them already. But I'll be cheering like crazy for Polt. There are so few terrans in the Asian championship and none of them are of the highest calibre. It's boring to have a tournament without variety, so if Polt can take this match, the Asian finals will be slightly more interesting
On August 25 2012 18:06 StarMoon wrote: She's smoking but she butcher's this.
That sums up how I feel. The inflection in her voice is so completely different (not just the pitch, but the inflection) than PSY's that I just don't enjoy listening to that version at all.
Plus, the original Gangnam Style video is amusing; this is just the same old dancing and flashy stage crap.
On August 25 2012 18:12 opterown wrote: oh, no more ties/short sleeve shirts?
I also wondered for this, is there any reason for not wearing shirts/sleeves today and yesterday?
casual friday/saturday?
don't remember any other day like this o.O hm, weird haha. maybe it's to show off khaldor muscles to intimidate the kespa people watching the stream~
On August 25 2012 18:15 Laryleprakon wrote: They said yesterday they were giving away those t-shirts to people at the finals or at the big barcraft in Seoul, can't remember which one.
On August 25 2012 18:14 RaiKageRyu wrote: Did Wolf just say something contradictory to what I read about ESF still boycotting OSL or did I hear incorrectly?
have a feeling this will be a bit slow today since people were probably watching MLG (although to be fair MLG was a bit eh today). tomorrow's MLG should be much more interesting~
On August 25 2012 18:19 opterown wrote: have a feeling this will be a bit slow today since people were probably watching MLG (although to be fair MLG was a bit eh today). tomorrow's MLG should be much more interesting~
On August 25 2012 18:19 opterown wrote: have a feeling this will be a bit slow today since people were probably watching MLG (although to be fair MLG was a bit eh today). tomorrow's MLG should be much more interesting~
On August 25 2012 18:19 opterown wrote: have a feeling this will be a bit slow today since people were probably watching MLG (although to be fair MLG was a bit eh today). tomorrow's MLG should be much more interesting~
well, WCS USA was pretty good, showing that girls are relevant, also shows that the grack is back
On August 25 2012 18:19 opterown wrote: have a feeling this will be a bit slow today since people were probably watching MLG (although to be fair MLG was a bit eh today). tomorrow's MLG should be much more interesting~
+ it's Friday so some may have gotten drunk and passed out already .
And thanks to Khaldor I can only see Gollum when Miya is shown haha.
On August 25 2012 18:19 opterown wrote: have a feeling this will be a bit slow today since people were probably watching MLG (although to be fair MLG was a bit eh today). tomorrow's MLG should be much more interesting~
On August 25 2012 18:19 opterown wrote: have a feeling this will be a bit slow today since people were probably watching MLG (although to be fair MLG was a bit eh today). tomorrow's MLG should be much more interesting~
well, WCS USA was pretty good, showing that girls are relevant, also shows that the grack is back
I just realised that the KR stream is ahead of the English one, I was accidentally watching the KR one while listening to the English one and Khaldor just said about the drone pull when miya had already returned the drones to mining.
On August 25 2012 18:29 Rokoz wrote: Must learn this build.
That's not the hard part. The ability to completely deny the zerg from scouting is what made this build successful. The 10 mauraders were a complete surprise until they showed up halfway across the map. If zerg had anticipated the push it could be stopped by simply allocating resources for a proper defense, instead of droning.
Such bad control, the banelings were stuck by the lings constantly. Is it really too much to ask to pull back two lings or so to create an opening the banelings can use? The day we will see a Z actually utilize micro will be a scary day.
On August 25 2012 18:42 ACrow wrote: Such bad control, the banelings were stuck by the lings constantly. Is it really too much to ask to pull back two lings or so to create an opening the banelings can use? The day we will see a Z actually utilize micro will be a scary day.
that day wont really happen, since zergs actually need more apm to macro which is more important for zerg than micro....
BTW @rokoz, sry, i was trolling haha, , its a joke becuz when polt won super tournament, he instantly changed his name to optimus, leading to a joke which is " who is polt??"
On August 25 2012 18:37 X3GoldDot wrote: who is this polt guy?? what a random noob, losing to miya
You don't know polt? You clearly don't follow much SC2.
nope, i dk who is polt, his team TSL is pretty good tho, they have crazy players like ragnarok
be more subtle when you troll... even starception is better than you
Not that's quite the exaggeration, noone is more obvious than starception
predictions based on his methods: Polt won a GSL over a year ago so he has this easy Puzzle and Curious both won code A but Curious won his code A 4-0 and Puzzles was only 4-2 so Curious will win today Parting said PvP was 80% luck and when Oz said PvP was about skill he lost all his games so Parting will beat Creator same thing for vs Squirtle Parting will win WCS
On August 25 2012 18:51 X3GoldDot wrote: BTW @rokoz, sry, i was trolling haha, , its a joke becuz when polt won super tournament, he instantly changed his name to optimus, leading to a joke which is " who is polt??"
On August 25 2012 18:59 opterown wrote: zerosc2 made me dislike oz... it's taking me a bit of time to become an oz fan again. oz used to be my 2nd fav player, man... haha
On August 25 2012 18:59 opterown wrote: zerosc2 made me dislike oz... it's taking me a bit of time to become an oz fan again. oz used to be my 2nd fav player, man... haha
didnt oz leaving fxo make you hate him lol
no, it was him leaving fxo for fnatic and then zerosc2 bandwagoning haha. i like oz, he's pretty cool. slowly building up my love for him again~
It's good to see Zergs finally making corruptors early vT and not only in service of BLs. Too many games lost to the 1-medivac-per-infantry-unit composition.
On August 25 2012 18:59 opterown wrote: zerosc2 made me dislike oz... it's taking me a bit of time to become an oz fan again. oz used to be my 2nd fav player, man... haha
didnt oz leaving fxo make you hate him lol
no, it was him leaving fxo for fnatic and then zerosc2 bandwagoning haha. i like oz, he's pretty cool. slowly building up my love for him again~
On August 25 2012 18:59 opterown wrote: zerosc2 made me dislike oz... it's taking me a bit of time to become an oz fan again. oz used to be my 2nd fav player, man... haha
didnt oz leaving fxo make you hate him lol
no, it was him leaving fxo for fnatic and then zerosc2 bandwagoning haha. i like oz, he's pretty cool. slowly building up my love for him again~
too bad for Oz I'm pretty sure Leenock's MLG bracket lines up with him. Leenock gonna crush :D
On August 25 2012 19:01 Ubikuuu! wrote: It's good to see Zergs finally making corruptors early vT and not only in service of BLs.
I like a small group of mutas better (~6ish) to deny drops and also keep T on his toes. Often forces some investment in turrets, makes him split his army a little more and actually denies drops better. On the plus side, corruptors transition better later on.
The trades Miya makes, even though not especially bad for him are still better for Polt. He's constantly trading a lot of gas against a lot of minerals. Polt has denied the 5th base of Zerg for a long time and I feel if he hits with 200/200 he can crush Miya. I don't know why he does send smaller waves , its just not needed against no T3.
Uh-oh. Looks like no even a single Korean terran in WCS finals. Hopefully someone from EU steps up because I can't see Fenix, Illusion and Major making it very far.
On August 25 2012 19:05 Type|NarutO wrote: The trades Miya makes, even though not especially bad for him are still better for Polt. He's constantly trading a lot of gas against a lot of minerals. Polt has denied the 5th base of Zerg for a long time and I feel if he hits with 200/200 he can crush Miya. I don't know why he does send smaller waves , its just not needed against no T3.
yeah he should just have maxed with 10ish tanks and decent split would have mean a landslide victory but his 150/170ish pushes make no sense at all. He must feel like blord are coming or something.
On August 25 2012 19:05 Type|NarutO wrote: The trades Miya makes, even though not especially bad for him are still better for Polt. He's constantly trading a lot of gas against a lot of minerals. Polt has denied the 5th base of Zerg for a long time and I feel if he hits with 200/200 he can crush Miya. I don't know why he does send smaller waves , its just not needed against no T3.
On August 25 2012 19:01 Ubikuuu! wrote: It's good to see Zergs finally making corruptors early vT and not only in service of BLs.
I like a small group of mutas better (~6ish) to deny drops and also keep T on his toes. Often forces some investment in turrets, makes him split his army a little more and actually denies drops better. On the plus side, corruptors transition better later on.
Yeah mutas are faster, more versatile and cost a little less. Corruptors have the resilience, better transition value and the suble mindgame of: "They are comiiiiing... or not?".
FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
I think the Corruptors are actually a fairly important part of this composition, taking the place of Mutalisks for an antiair unit. It's pretty interesting, because to make Vikings just to take out Corruptors is a waste, they're harder for Marines or Thors to kill, and if left unchecked they can harass Medivacs.
As was pointed out, a Zerg player needs to be on point with injects to make this composition work. But it was a lot more entertaining to watch than the usual Broodlord/Infestor deathball.
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
Nice played by Miya... finally a zerg showing constant scouting and flanking against a approaching terran army. Don't know why even Code S-players have the 1-2 control-group-syndrom
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
On August 25 2012 19:08 Type|NarutO wrote: No Korean Terran?... This is not Korea. Terrans were always the trademark for Korea!
Mvp forfeit in order to win gamescon and Taeja wasn't there, those are the only two performing consistently atm so...
Marineking somehow lost to horror and byun somehow lost to terious both could have easily made top 4 if it wasn't for whatever the fuck those 2 zergs did.
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
So did Taeja
trust me as long as MVP is in, top 3 wouldve been all terran, regardless if the 3 terrans were fnatic rain, startale rainbow or ensnare, THEYD STILL GET TOP 3.
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
and Marineking betrayed Korea by not qualifying.
still can't believe he lost to... horror >.>
its like fitzyhere vs major and illusion in tvz theres always a chance for the underdog
On August 25 2012 19:09 Infernal Knight wrote: I think the Corruptors are actually a fairly important part of this composition, taking the place of Mutalisks for an antiair unit. It's pretty interesting, because to make Vikings just to take out Corruptors is a waste, they're harder for Marines or Thors to kill, and if left unchecked they can harass Medivacs.
As was pointed out, a Zerg player needs to be on point with injects to make this composition work. But it was a lot more entertaining to watch than the usual Broodlord/Infestor deathball.
This map was made for mass lings considering how wide open it is. On other maps this strat is less effective.
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
So did Taeja
trust me as long as MVP is in, top 3 wouldve been all terran, regardless if the 3 terrans were fnatic rain, startale rainbow or ensnare, THEYD STILL GET TOP 3.
Poor ensnare, the guy has a better winrate than Huk and he's remember as "horrible"
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
So did Taeja
trust me as long as MVP is in, top 3 wouldve been all terran, regardless if the 3 terrans were fnatic rain, startale rainbow or ensnare, THEYD STILL GET TOP 3.
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
and Marineking betrayed Korea by not qualifying.
still can't believe he lost to... horror >.>
its like fitzyhere vs major and illusion in tvz theres always a chance for the underdog
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
and Marineking betrayed Korea by not qualifying.
still can't believe he lost to... horror >.>
its like fitzyhere vs major and illusion in tvz theres always a chance for the underdog
Mass queens good strategy.
anything happens with fitzyhere, beats major, loses terribly anyway
On August 25 2012 19:08 GumBa wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! No Polt WCS no Korean terran in WCS and miya is going to get one toss in wcs asia and immediatly lose -.- FUCK well looks like no Terran is going to win WCS FUCK
this is the effect of MVP. he betrayed korea for IEM, all terrans fall
So did Taeja
trust me as long as MVP is in, top 3 wouldve been all terran, regardless if the 3 terrans were fnatic rain, startale rainbow or ensnare, THEYD STILL GET TOP 3.
That didn't really work out at IEM, all the other Terrans were killed by those eurozergs.
On August 25 2012 19:20 MCDayC wrote: Hoping back into LRs for a bit, hihi all, how have the games been so far?
Miya killed Polt by outflanking him, with a very nicely controlled low-tier army of ling/bling/corruptor, with lots of counter-attacks and also being lucky catching siege tanks unsieged several times. Was quite fun to watch, alas at the cost of T participation at WCS Asia.
On August 25 2012 19:22 MCDayC wrote: Miya playing well? I leave for a few days and the whole world goes nuts...
miya is actually REALLY REALLY good in zvt, beat alive 2-0, hack 2-1, now beat polt 2-1 with a ling/bane corruptor mass swarm style on entombed vs polt.
On August 25 2012 19:20 MCDayC wrote: Hoping back into LRs for a bit, hihi all, how have the games been so far?
Miya is playing ZvT really nicely, I wonder why he isn't in Code S after these games
He's horrendous at ZvP and ZvZ, it's not even nerves watching his ZvP and ZvZ online he can't win for his life especially his ZvZ which features foreigner amounts of thrown away units.
On August 25 2012 19:25 MCDayC wrote: Also, I got no answer, wtf happened to wolf?
hair dye ;D
It was either that or super saiyan, and I guess Khaldor would be the super saiyan in that situation (despite his lack of hair), Wolf is more of a Chi-Chi.
On August 25 2012 19:25 MCDayC wrote: Also, I got no answer, wtf happened to wolf?
hair dye ;D
It was either that or super saiyan, and I guess Khaldor would be the super saiyan in that situation (despite his lack of hair), Wolf is more of a Chi-Chi.
On August 25 2012 19:25 MCDayC wrote: Also, I got no answer, wtf happened to wolf?
hair dye ;D
It was either that or super saiyan, and I guess Khaldor would be the super saiyan in that situation (despite his lack of hair), Wolf is more of a Chi-Chi.
On August 25 2012 19:45 Tsubbi wrote: 6 spores and still loses queens and overlords, this is just so atrociously bad play its infuriating, thank god stephano is gonna play today...
On August 25 2012 19:53 Dodgin wrote: so can you not watch MLG because you're capped opterown?
nope sigh T_T i put in a request a few days ago to upgrade my cap for +15 gb but it hasn't gone through yet, hopefully soon (but unlikely since weekend) i can still watch choppy 240p, but yea haha
On August 25 2012 19:53 X3GoldDot wrote: what does internet cap mean??
once i exceed 120gb of use, my speed drops from 20,000kb/s to 256kbps haha
On August 25 2012 19:55 Plexa wrote: I'm surprised that people are surprised that curious is going 6p =/ 6p is almost standard on TDA
Probably because we rarely see TDA in tournaments anymore, and everyone is vetoing TDA on ladder, so no one remembers that TDA is 6pool and 4Gate heaven...
If anyone's curious, here is the link for the millennium interview. The question about what they did with the mothership for Heart of the Swarm is @5:42m
mann i feel like in any type of base race scenario, the players must ALWAYS SECURE A PROBE OR SOMETHING just in case because of stuff like this, all they have to do is run 1 worker away
On August 25 2012 20:28 AgentChaos wrote: puzzle fucked that up
So sad. Why no 7 gate after that failed 6 pool?
i know, puzzle was way too passive allow curious to get back in the game
To be honest if Puzzle goes for an all-in which might work, I don't see Curious being one to shy away from ling base trade with mutas, and we all know how base trades against mobile mutaling on a huge map like tal darim goes. I think Puzzle played it right but lost due to the neural.
Curious did the most appropriate thing to follow up a 6 pool, he started droning non stop, teched and expanded did basically the "Oh god don't attack" style for ages and puzzle happily did not attack that's why curious got back in after the 6 pool.
On August 25 2012 20:28 AgentChaos wrote: puzzle fucked that up
Great defence of the 6pool, great FFs, great muta defence...
The only mistake was letting that neural happen on the mommaship IMO
More like not abusing the fact that curious was behind nearly the whole game. If he just attacked there was no way curious could hold since he simply wouldn't have had the production.
On August 25 2012 20:28 AgentChaos wrote: puzzle fucked that up
Great defence of the 6pool, great FFs, great muta defence...
The only mistake was letting that neural happen on the mommaship IMO
More like not abusing the fact that curious was behind nearly the whole game. If he just attacked there was no way curious could hold since he simply wouldn't have had the production.
Yeah got the feeling even a delayed Blink push would have ended it no problem.
On August 25 2012 20:28 AgentChaos wrote: puzzle fucked that up
So sad. Why no 7 gate after that failed 6 pool?
Because of spinecrawler forrest making him either lose his attack... or mutaling basetrade... that's why
I mean going for the 7 gate instead of trying to take a third. Curious was so behind, no way he holds two base aggression.
Well... you could be right. But I think Puzzle knows this game a bit better than you and I. Him being ahead going for a 3rd - and eventually 4th to make an army the zerg can't beat can be a good strat... Unless you're too passive and let him harrass you while going 5base infestor/gglord
Puzzle just needed to do a blink stalkers all in or a 7 gate to punish him. Instead he was too passive and gave curious the chance to come back into the game.
Well this game certainly hammered home just how important it is to punish a Zerg as failing a six pool then playing super greedy afterwards.
But yeah. I was entertained, I was made to bite my nails (something I am not doing lightly!), I was made to swear (considerably more willing to do that), feel frustration, joy, excitement, everything.
Sometimes it is not perfection in strategy or execution that makes for the most emotional attachment; sometimes it is flaws struggling against flaws that really pulls you in. And oh my dear lord did I get pulled in.
Edit: Ok, can breathe now. Feel almost a bit stupid being so nervous for a game where I am not even following any of my favorites. But so sad for Puzzle, after that Miya interview where he said that Puzzle was taking his loss so hard, it is difficult not to feel tons of sympathy for him.
On August 25 2012 20:28 Mentalizor wrote: Once again a failed 6pool comes out ahead in ZvP... this matchup just isn't working
To be fair, it's especially bad on tal darim altar.
...but yeah that matchup is getting kinda silly now
6 pool on taldarim is almost standard, nothing to do with the matchup
Sure... TDA is horrible for the zerg player... But that doesn't justify a 6pool gone horribly wrong turning into an even game - where the zerg actually wins.
On August 25 2012 20:36 opterown wrote: hey guys, if/when the maps for the next match comes up can you post it? my stream is a bit skippy atm and i miss a few things here and there cheers!
why dont u try gomplayer with something like 60%speed or something, it sure doesnt look good but u wont miss anything
soooo... at the Battle.net World Championship there likely will a Protoss or Zerg-Winner... terrans really struggeling lately if they're not MVP. Let's see if MKP has a shot this MLG at least.
On August 25 2012 20:28 Mentalizor wrote: Once again a failed 6pool comes out ahead in ZvP... this matchup just isn't working
To be fair, it's especially bad on tal darim altar.
...but yeah that matchup is getting kinda silly now
6 pool on taldarim is almost standard, nothing to do with the matchup
Sure... TDA is horrible for the zerg player... But that doesn't justify a 6pool gone horribly wrong turning into an even game - where the zerg actually wins.
But it's okay for a zerg to get up 6 bases, tech and power drones without any opposition?
On August 25 2012 20:36 opterown wrote: hey guys, if/when the maps for the next match comes up can you post it? my stream is a bit skippy atm and i miss a few things here and there cheers!
why dont u try gomplayer with something like 60%speed or something, it sure doesnt look good but u wont miss anything
yeah but then i'll be slow to update the OP/post polls etc haha
On August 25 2012 20:38 Porcelina wrote: Well this game certainly hammered home just how important it is to punish a Zerg as failing a six pool then playing super greedy afterwards.
But yeah. I was entertained, I was made to bite my nails (something I am not doing lightly!), I was made to swear (considerably more willing to do that), feel frustration, joy, excitement, everything.
Thanks to people who reported balance whining during this! <3
Sometimes it is not perfection in strategy or execution that makes for the most emotional attachment; sometimes it is flaws struggling against flaws that really pulls you in. And oh my dear lord did I get pulled in.
On August 25 2012 20:39 Rhedsa wrote: soooo... at the Battle.net World Championship there likely will a Protoss or Zerg-Winner... terrans really struggeling lately if they're not MVP. Let's see if MKP has a shot this MLG at least.
It is time for the rise of LG-IM.Fenix as the next terran bonjwa.
On August 25 2012 20:28 Mentalizor wrote: Once again a failed 6pool comes out ahead in ZvP... this matchup just isn't working
To be fair, it's especially bad on tal darim altar.
...but yeah that matchup is getting kinda silly now
6 pool on taldarim is almost standard, nothing to do with the matchup
Sure... TDA is horrible for the zerg player... But that doesn't justify a 6pool gone horribly wrong turning into an even game - where the zerg actually wins.
On August 25 2012 20:39 Rhedsa wrote: soooo... at the Battle.net World Championship there likely will a Protoss or Zerg-Winner... terrans really struggeling lately if they're not MVP. Let's see if MKP has a shot this MLG at least.
On August 25 2012 20:28 Mentalizor wrote: Once again a failed 6pool comes out ahead in ZvP... this matchup just isn't working
To be fair, it's especially bad on tal darim altar.
...but yeah that matchup is getting kinda silly now
6 pool on taldarim is almost standard, nothing to do with the matchup
Sure... TDA is horrible for the zerg player... But that doesn't justify a 6pool gone horribly wrong turning into an even game - where the zerg actually wins.
But it's okay for a zerg to get up 6 bases, tech and power drones without any opposition?
There's a difference. This is the race design. This will happen no matter who they are against. That's how zerg works. My main issue is ZvP, where the protoss has no way of punishing the 6 pool before either 3/4 gate (which is somewhat all in) or attack after expanding... Making the zerg take advantage of his racemechanics making him able to catch up without having to deal with anything (well sure... 1-2 zlots and 1 stalker, but come on...)
Please notice how often you see a ZvP 6pool that doesn't do too much dmg where the zerg still turn the game around with little to no effort
On August 25 2012 20:39 Rhedsa wrote: soooo... at the Battle.net World Championship there likely will a Protoss or Zerg-Winner... terrans really struggeling lately if they're not MVP. Let's see if MKP has a shot this MLG at least.
Taeja has been playing pretty ok as well
Being a protoss player I think I can be (somewhat) objective... Yeah, terran players are really struggling lately. Taeja and MVP should just stop winning so DaKim was forced to act
On August 25 2012 20:39 Rhedsa wrote: soooo... at the Battle.net World Championship there likely will a Protoss or Zerg-Winner... terrans really struggeling lately if they're not MVP. Let's see if MKP has a shot this MLG at least.
Taeja has been playing pretty ok as well
Ah, for sure! But he won't be at WCS to give us some epic TvZ/Ps or Blizzard donates some seeds for better entertainment.
On the first ladder maps I get that people were eager to see macro games and hated seeing every game end with early aggression, but isn't it equally as silly watching zergs get up to broodlords by default? Broodwar was entertaining because it had a mix of both going on.
On August 25 2012 20:28 Mentalizor wrote: Once again a failed 6pool comes out ahead in ZvP... this matchup just isn't working
To be fair, it's especially bad on tal darim altar.
...but yeah that matchup is getting kinda silly now
6 pool on taldarim is almost standard, nothing to do with the matchup
Sure... TDA is horrible for the zerg player... But that doesn't justify a 6pool gone horribly wrong turning into an even game - where the zerg actually wins.
I didn't see the opening, but usually when you open 6 pool on tda it's to deny the ffe and force the toss back on 1 base with the first lings while powering drones behind it, it's not a kill move
On August 25 2012 20:39 Rhedsa wrote: soooo... at the Battle.net World Championship there likely will a Protoss or Zerg-Winner... terrans really struggeling lately if they're not MVP. Let's see if MKP has a shot this MLG at least.
Taeja has been playing pretty ok as well
Ah, for sure! But he won't be at WCS to give us some epic TvZ/Ps or Blizzard donates some seeds for better entertainment.
It's ok, we'll get to enjoy lots of Spine Crawler walls, Infestors and many lasers.
On August 25 2012 20:28 Mentalizor wrote: Once again a failed 6pool comes out ahead in ZvP... this matchup just isn't working
To be fair, it's especially bad on tal darim altar.
...but yeah that matchup is getting kinda silly now
6 pool on taldarim is almost standard, nothing to do with the matchup
Sure... TDA is horrible for the zerg player... But that doesn't justify a 6pool gone horribly wrong turning into an even game - where the zerg actually wins.
I didn't see the opening, but usually when you open 6 pool on tda it's to deny the ffe and force the toss back on 1 base with the first lings while powering drones behind it, it's not a kill move
Yeah, I liked Curious for doing a 6pool on TDA, simply because a normal 2base push by protoss can hit you harder because your 3rd was late or is far away... instead you can take down those stupid rocks with plenty of lings... although a 6-7 Gate could have ended the game earlier.
Yeah, I liked Curious for doing a 6pool on TDA, simply because a normal 2base push by protoss can hit you harder because your 3rd was late or is far away... instead you can take down those stupid rocks with plenty of lings... although a 6-7 Gate could have ended the game earlier.
It's a risk though, the easiest way to lose an advantage is to cut tech and go for an all-in, if it doesn't work you're more fucked than the zerg ever was
On August 25 2012 20:51 Fusilero wrote: Creator does this build so often, gets 2gates, stargate, robo then expands and plays defensively I wonder if there's any way to abuse that.
That is such a safe build for him though it would have to be something crazy / incredible cheesy.
Yeah, I liked Curious for doing a 6pool on TDA, simply because a normal 2base push by protoss can hit you harder because your 3rd was late or is far away... instead you can take down those stupid rocks with plenty of lings... although a 6-7 Gate could have ended the game earlier.
It's a risk though, the easiest way to lose an advantage is to cut tech and go for an all-in, if it doesn't work you're more fucked than the zerg ever was
It's a risk either way, while playing defensively and macroing can work if the zerg carries on with the aggression it also throws away your lead if the zerg goes wild with greed like curious did and starts expanding everywhere.
On August 25 2012 20:51 Fusilero wrote: Creator does this build so often, gets 2gates, stargate, robo then expands and plays defensively I wonder if there's any way to abuse that.
Chargelot/archon/blink stalker timing can work if the phoenixes do no damage or you are ahead in some other way from early game.
Yeah, I liked Curious for doing a 6pool on TDA, simply because a normal 2base push by protoss can hit you harder because your 3rd was late or is far away... instead you can take down those stupid rocks with plenty of lings... although a 6-7 Gate could have ended the game earlier.
It's a risk though, the easiest way to lose an advantage is to cut tech and go for an all-in, if it doesn't work you're more fucked than the zerg ever was
It's a risk either way, while playing defensively and macroing can work if the zerg carries on with the aggression it also throws away your lead if the zerg goes wild with greed like curious did and starts expanding everywhere.
You can be aggressive and control expansions without committing to an all-in
Yeah, I liked Curious for doing a 6pool on TDA, simply because a normal 2base push by protoss can hit you harder because your 3rd was late or is far away... instead you can take down those stupid rocks with plenty of lings... although a 6-7 Gate could have ended the game earlier.
It's a risk though, the easiest way to lose an advantage is to cut tech and go for an all-in, if it doesn't work you're more fucked than the zerg ever was
It's a risk either way, while playing defensively and macroing can work if the zerg carries on with the aggression it also throws away your lead if the zerg goes wild with greed like curious did and starts expanding everywhere.
Also note that Curious used the lings and mutas very well in delaying Protoss pushing out. Bought him enough time to sneak more bases and finally broods on the map. Although some warp prism harass could have worked wonders on this huuuge map. Broods are sooo slow..
Yeah, I liked Curious for doing a 6pool on TDA, simply because a normal 2base push by protoss can hit you harder because your 3rd was late or is far away... instead you can take down those stupid rocks with plenty of lings... although a 6-7 Gate could have ended the game earlier.
It's a risk though, the easiest way to lose an advantage is to cut tech and go for an all-in, if it doesn't work you're more fucked than the zerg ever was
It's a risk either way, while playing defensively and macroing can work if the zerg carries on with the aggression it also throws away your lead if the zerg goes wild with greed like curious did and starts expanding everywhere.
You can be aggressive and control expansions without committing to an all-in
I felt as if puzzle had to do something during that match, he just did nothing and let curious go nuts with his economy which blew puzzle's lead.
On August 25 2012 21:04 WindWolf wrote: What, no 4g vs. 4g wars on TDA?!
Some 3gate builds done specifically for TDA can hit a super small timing window where they have more units than an aggressive 4gate while still having a second gas, so you defend with that tech to blink and counter attack for the win.
I think they do fall behind vs a more defensive 4gate though.
On August 25 2012 21:06 Mentalizor wrote: Had he gone for the dark shrine this game would have been interesting... This was just a strange disappointment
I don't know much about PvP, but won't DTs vs 4gate end, at best, in a base trade for the DT player?
On August 25 2012 21:06 Mentalizor wrote: Had he gone for the dark shrine this game would have been interesting... This was just a strange disappointment
I don't know much about PvP, but won't DTs vs 4gate end, at best, in a base trade for the DT player?
On TDA, yeah. But at the end of the basetrade, the 4gater hides a robo somewhere and wins with the observer.
On August 25 2012 21:06 Mentalizor wrote: Had he gone for the dark shrine this game would have been interesting... This was just a strange disappointment
I don't know much about PvP, but won't DTs vs 4gate end, at best, in a base trade for the DT player?
generally it turns full base race mode, but the 4g player tries to build a robo in the middle of the map, and if you get an obs out you win, otherwise it's difficult
i cant think of a unit more boring than collus, you cant micro your army because collus fights ends in 3 or 4 seconds, its a complete a move unit, and destroys everything on the ground, i would love blizz to remove it and replace it with something acutally microable and intresting for the sake of all match ups
Sad to see Parting lose, but I'm not very worried Squirtle won't make up for it. After 2-0'ing Genius, Creator and PartinG on his way here, seeing him losing 2 bo3's against a player he already 2-0'ed is veeeery unlikely.
Bleh, that was anticlimatic. Just like when I see a huge fungal and obliteration happens. PartinG is so much stronger early, should have played that way.
Creator vs. Squirtle was definitely not the finals I would have picked at the beginning of this tournament lol. Nonetheless I hope we see some good games
I thought this was Monday, I can't believe I missed the night so far. So sad to see Squirtle go down to Creator in the first B03. I hope he can come back in the second!!!
On August 25 2012 21:50 FreudianTrip wrote: LOL. I know their job is to be excited but I don't think I've ever seen someone get to excited about the worlds most basic 4 gate.
I have a feeling that they are being sincere. If Khaldor is not, at least he is fooling me.
Also, yeah it would not be exciting seeing that on a random stream. But seeing someone do something so out of character, on an unlikely map, with so much on the line. Just the circumstances making it a very special experience. At least if you just buy into it and let yourself be entertained and nervous.
I can understand that people think that these finals (and the lead up with infinite Protoss in the top eight) would constitute the worst possible type of game play. But I guess I just buy into the drama and the tension. So I am enjoying it.
On August 25 2012 21:59 MrCon wrote: It's funny their KST clock is a 24 hours clock and their CET is a 12 hours clock. (the clock is at 2:59 while it's 14:59)
On August 25 2012 21:59 MrCon wrote: It's funny their KST clock is a 24 hours clock and their CET is a 12 hours clock. (the clock is at 2:59 while it's 14:59)
Yeah that's being annoying me for like the past month.
That was pretty bad defense from Creator. On this map, you don't have to micro the in base units (unless the opponent blinks in the main). Just put the immortal on hold position and stop touching it. Then you just micro the units you have in the natural.
On August 25 2012 22:16 MrCon wrote: That was pretty bad defense from Creator. On this map, you don't have to micro the in base units (unless the opponent blinks in the main). Just put the immortal on hold position and stop touching it. Then you just micro the units you have in the natural.
It almost didn't matter what Creator did. Squirtle had a much, much bigger army.
On August 25 2012 22:16 MrCon wrote: That was pretty bad defense from Creator. On this map, you don't have to micro the in base units (unless the opponent blinks in the main). Just put the immortal on hold position and stop touching it. Then you just micro the units you have in the natural.
It almost didn't matter what Creator did. Squirtle had a much, much bigger army.
Assume he meant initial defense... final one doesn't really matter
On August 25 2012 22:16 MrCon wrote: That was pretty bad defense from Creator. On this map, you don't have to micro the in base units (unless the opponent blinks in the main). Just put the immortal on hold position and stop touching it. Then you just micro the units you have in the natural.
It almost didn't matter what Creator did. Squirtle had a much, much bigger army.
Squirtle had the bigger army because of how cost effective he was with blink stalkers. Which goes back to creator's defense.
On August 25 2012 22:16 MrCon wrote: That was pretty bad defense from Creator. On this map, you don't have to micro the in base units (unless the opponent blinks in the main). Just put the immortal on hold position and stop touching it. Then you just micro the units you have in the natural.
It almost didn't matter what Creator did. Squirtle had a much, much bigger army.
Squirtle had the bigger army because of how cost effective he was with blink stalkers. Which goes back to creator's defense.
On August 25 2012 22:23 SoulHarvester wrote: What did the Korean symbols mean on top of the Player IDs? Two of the three symbols were exactly the same...
On August 25 2012 22:23 SoulHarvester wrote: What did the Korean symbols mean on top of the Player IDs? Two of the three symbols were exactly the same...
Their names I guess. Both their names are Hyun Woo.
On August 25 2012 22:23 SoulHarvester wrote: What did the Korean symbols mean on top of the Player IDs? Two of the three symbols were exactly the same...
Yeah I meant during the initial harassment =) Creator had to micro his in base and natural groups at the same time, which is hard because of the ramp (if you click the natural with the in base unit selected, they'll fumble, and vice versa). Anyway, yeah the most efficient is just to put the in base units near the cliff on hold position. He missed so many pot shots he would have hit if he just left his in base units on hold.
I was wondering why Squirtle just didn't pulled back, then I remembered Creator killed a lot of probes so he was basically forced to allin. Well played.
Creator's stargate PvP is so sick, blink stalkers is a BO loss for every other Protoss and he just executes perfectly (except letting the stalkers kill his immortal lol) and wins.
It's like... I mean if he lost at the expense of PartinG I'd be okay with that, but this... I mean I like Creator, but goddammit why does this keep happening T.T
On August 25 2012 22:34 opterown wrote: and so the opterown buff remains - every series which i've seen creator played live for the past 6 weeks, he's been the winner of~
Buff AceBrotoss please. I need to win my ladder games.
Man, WCS Korea was a SICK tournament!!! Really entertaining games, Kespa showing us what there made out of with special mentions to Roro, Soulkey and CJ Entus Hero, they are the 3 to keep your eyes on! Khaldor and Wolf, you guys work so well together and are actually my favorite casters now (even more than tastosis), I love it when you guys always say GG in synchronization at the end! And of course GOM and Blizzard for such a great production! GOOD GAMES!!
I wonder how many of those will be knocked out in the Asian Championship, they've all looked really strong in this tournament. None seem to have gotten their qualification by a fluke.
Man this sucks a terran play to not even have one like Polt to watch. I guess MVP forfeited and Taeja didn't even try to qualify. It looks like Creator is breaking out winning both this and TSL 4 would be quite an accomplishment.
Sad to see the state of Terran decline like this from the GomTvT days. Not even one Korean Terran qualifying, who could stand up to any of the other Koreans disappoints me, and the other Terrans at WCS probably have less of a chance of winning. I lost a lot of my hype for this tournament unfortunately.
and he won seven out of the 8 series, pretty solid stuff for a coinflip matchup (and creator's worst matchup too, i may add - self-proclaimed :p)
Pretty sure that Creator's worst match-up is his PvT (he crushes protosses easily in teamleagues but he sometimes lose to terrans), but yeah it's an impressive feat :D.
On August 25 2012 23:24 PhoenixVoid wrote: Sad to see the state of Terran decline like this from the GomTvT days. Not even one Korean Terran qualifying, who could stand up to any of the other Koreans disappoints me, and the other Terrans at WCS probably have less of a chance of winning. I lost a lot of my hype for this tournament unfortunately.
It's nothing to do with "Terran decline", Korean Terrans have been doing just fine in other competitive tournaments lately. But when you combine horrible one shot single elimination qualifiers and then stretch the tournament over several weeks instead of doing it on a single weekend like everyone else then you're going to have to deal with great players either:
A) Failing to qualify due to the horrible upset-friendly qualifier system (Too many to count.) B) Not bothering to even try and qualify (Taeja) C) Just quitting the tournament to attend more lucrative foreign events (MVP).
and he won seven out of the 8 series, pretty solid stuff for a coinflip matchup (and creator's worst matchup too, i may add - self-proclaimed :p)
Pretty sure that Creator's worst match-up is his PvT (he crushes protosses easily in teamleagues but he sometimes lose to terrans), but yeah it's an impressive feat :D.
back when he streamed haha and still talked to his viewers he would complain about pvp all the time. maybe he doesn't mind it as much these days i guess :p aside from his jjakji 6-1 creator's vsT is still pretty good, e.g. 3-1 mkp, etc.
On August 25 2012 23:18 Nick_54 wrote: Man this sucks a terran play to not even have one like Polt to watch. I guess MVP forfeited and Taeja didn't even try to qualify. It looks like Creator is breaking out winning both this and TSL 4 would be quite an accomplishment.
The qualifiers conflicted with MLG Summer Arena. Taeja chose MLG, while MKP chose WCS (though IIRC he had ODT factoring into his schedule as well).
and he won seven out of the 8 series, pretty solid stuff for a coinflip matchup (and creator's worst matchup too, i may add - self-proclaimed :p)
Pretty sure that Creator's worst match-up is his PvT (he crushes protosses easily in teamleagues but he sometimes lose to terrans), but yeah it's an impressive feat :D.
back when he streamed haha and still talked to his viewers he would complain about pvp all the time. maybe he doesn't mind it as much these days i guess :p aside from his jjakji 6-1 creator's vsT is still pretty good, e.g. 3-1 mkp, etc.
It's probably Prime losing to fnatic with Creator and BBoongBBoong both playing terribly vs aLive that haunts me :D.
and he won seven out of the 8 series, pretty solid stuff for a coinflip matchup (and creator's worst matchup too, i may add - self-proclaimed :p)
Pretty sure that Creator's worst match-up is his PvT (he crushes protosses easily in teamleagues but he sometimes lose to terrans), but yeah it's an impressive feat :D.
back when he streamed haha and still talked to his viewers he would complain about pvp all the time. maybe he doesn't mind it as much these days i guess :p aside from his jjakji 6-1 creator's vsT is still pretty good, e.g. 3-1 mkp, etc.
It's probably Prime losing to fnatic with Creator and BBoongBBoong both playing terribly vs aLive that haunts me :D.
and those losses on daybreak to nestea and coca too T_T
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