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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10855 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 18:58:51
August 16 2012 18:58 GMT
#3661
On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today.

Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players.


id say illusion most definitely better.


Is there anything factual that makes you think this... or is it just some USA! USA! USA! chant?
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
August 16 2012 18:58 GMT
#3662
On August 17 2012 03:51 Mackus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:50 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:46 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat?


He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea.


Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result.

Sorry, thats reality.


It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged.



Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea?


No because it's a known fact that foreigners deal with jet lag better. They can recover in about an hour or two.


What a stupid claim without any evidence whatsoever.


Man, welcome to the internet. You're being trolled hard. Do not respond. Can you honestly not tell?
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
fakgfdgfdh
Profile Joined May 2012
79 Posts
August 16 2012 18:59 GMT
#3663
On August 16 2012 22:39 ondik wrote:
It's pity Tasteless doesn't know much about foreign scene.. first the Sortof-Demuslim match where Demuslim definitely wasn't a favorite, now Nerchio-Forgg. He was talking as if Forgg was 80/20 favorite to win, while coming into the match Forgg was rather the underdog.

or not
so how much did you bet on him for 3 times the money
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
August 16 2012 18:59 GMT
#3664
On August 17 2012 03:58 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:51 Mackus wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:50 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:46 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat?


He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea.


Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result.

Sorry, thats reality.


It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged.



Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea?


No because it's a known fact that foreigners deal with jet lag better. They can recover in about an hour or two.


What a stupid claim without any evidence whatsoever.


Man, welcome to the internet. You're being trolled hard. Do not respond. Can you honestly not tell?


He's being serious, that's the problem
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
August 16 2012 18:59 GMT
#3665
On August 17 2012 03:58 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today.

Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players.


id say illusion most definitely better.


Is there anything factual that makes you think this... or is it just some USA! USA! USA! chant?

Please do not start another USA vs Europe war...
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 16 2012 18:59 GMT
#3666
On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today.

Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players.


id say illusion most definitely better.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/3659_Illusion
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Kas
Zest fanboy.
straycat
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
230 Posts
August 16 2012 19:01 GMT
#3667
On August 17 2012 03:56 Moka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:50 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:46 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:


It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged.



Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea?


No because it's a known fact that foreigners deal with jet lag better. They can recover in about an hour or two.

Wow, i smell troll ._. .. Anyway, your race have no influence with the ability to deal with jet lag


Obvious sarcasm is... not so... obvious to everyone?
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 16 2012 19:01 GMT
#3668
On August 17 2012 03:59 fakgfdgfdh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 22:39 ondik wrote:
It's pity Tasteless doesn't know much about foreign scene.. first the Sortof-Demuslim match where Demuslim definitely wasn't a favorite, now Nerchio-Forgg. He was talking as if Forgg was 80/20 favorite to win, while coming into the match Forgg was rather the underdog.

or not
so how much did you bet on him for 3 times the money


I bet $600 and made a nice profit. ^^
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
TheRooster
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden719 Posts
August 16 2012 19:01 GMT
#3669
On August 17 2012 03:59 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today.

Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players.


id say illusion most definitely better.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/3659_Illusion
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Kas

Kas is such a monster man.....
<3 Startale <3 Naniwa <3 Squirtle <3 Parting <3 sOs <3 Life <3 Leenock <3 Bomber <3 Mvp <3 Gumiho
fakgfdgfdh
Profile Joined May 2012
79 Posts
August 16 2012 19:02 GMT
#3670
On August 16 2012 22:40 Wroshe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 22:39 G4rrett wrote:
I have no idea why ForGG is so hyped.. he's not THAT good, he's never even won anything..

He won a brood war tournament three years ago. Having said that though they hype train is kind of unreal.

he hasnt played many tournaments.
the hype train for other players is unreal. taeja, dongra, any time a foreigner wins 4 matches in a row no matter how bad he is, foreigners in general
fakgfdgfdh
Profile Joined May 2012
79 Posts
August 16 2012 19:03 GMT
#3671
On August 17 2012 04:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:59 fakgfdgfdh wrote:
On August 16 2012 22:39 ondik wrote:
It's pity Tasteless doesn't know much about foreign scene.. first the Sortof-Demuslim match where Demuslim definitely wasn't a favorite, now Nerchio-Forgg. He was talking as if Forgg was 80/20 favorite to win, while coming into the match Forgg was rather the underdog.

or not
so how much did you bet on him for 3 times the money


I bet $600 and made a nice profit. ^^

thats not how you profit. you profit from making good bets
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 16 2012 19:03 GMT
#3672
On August 17 2012 03:59 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today.

Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players.


id say illusion most definitely better.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/3659_Illusion
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Kas


a TON more played higher % on each matchup better online and offline results on Kas called "the destroyer" for his mechanics ... Jup Illusion it is !
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
August 16 2012 19:04 GMT
#3673
On August 17 2012 04:01 TheRooster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:59 sAsImre wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today.

Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players.


id say illusion most definitely better.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/3659_Illusion
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Kas

Kas is such a monster man.....

He just needs a breakout lan tournament win!
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
August 16 2012 19:04 GMT
#3674
Is it strange that I completely expected Kas to beat Nestea today?
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 16 2012 19:05 GMT
#3675
On August 17 2012 04:03 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:59 sAsImre wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today.

Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players.


id say illusion most definitely better.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/3659_Illusion
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Kas


a TON more played higher % on each matchup better online and offline results on Kas called "the destroyer" for his mechanics ... Jup Illusion it is !


you forgot the main achievement section, also called 2nd place section for illu (who's pretty good but still way under Kas.TZain lvl)
Zest fanboy.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 19:10:00
August 16 2012 19:05 GMT
#3676
On August 17 2012 04:03 fakgfdgfdh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 04:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:59 fakgfdgfdh wrote:
On August 16 2012 22:39 ondik wrote:
It's pity Tasteless doesn't know much about foreign scene.. first the Sortof-Demuslim match where Demuslim definitely wasn't a favorite, now Nerchio-Forgg. He was talking as if Forgg was 80/20 favorite to win, while coming into the match Forgg was rather the underdog.

or not
so how much did you bet on him for 3 times the money


I bet $600 and made a nice profit. ^^

thats not how you profit. you profit from making good bets


And I make 65% correct bets silly. When you actually understands what constitutes a "favorite", it's easy to bet on this scene. ForGG's playstyle automatically makes him the underdog against Nerchio's playstyle, not to mention all the other relevant factors.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 16 2012 19:05 GMT
#3677
On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today.

Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players.


Yeah, it's not really that Kas is overrated, it's jus that we don't have better in the foreigner scene for Terran.
Kas isn't big deal like stephano level, but he does pretty good. That's enough to be top3 terran foreigner.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
August 16 2012 19:06 GMT
#3678
On August 17 2012 04:03 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:59 sAsImre wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today.

Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players.


id say illusion most definitely better.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/3659_Illusion
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Kas


a TON more played higher % on each matchup better online and offline results on Kas called "the destroyer" for his mechanics ... Jup Illusion it is !

let me pull out the big guns, lastshadow!
Chun-li since ST
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 16 2012 19:07 GMT
#3679
On August 17 2012 04:05 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today.

Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players.


Yeah, it's not really that Kas is overrated, it's jus that we don't have better in the foreigner scene for Terran.
Kas isn't big deal like stephano level, but he does pretty good. That's enough to be top3 terran foreigner.


An important thing is that Kas is really consistent, almost always passing the 1st rounds and then able to beat anyone on a good day. Tho when you're a foreigner T it's a long way to win a tournament even if this
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Kas/games/during/2842_2012RSL
was quite huge considering the pool of players (top kor + eastern european players)
Zest fanboy.
starception
Profile Joined August 2012
205 Posts
August 16 2012 19:07 GMT
#3680
On August 17 2012 03:56 Moka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:50 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:46 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat?


He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea.


Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result.

Sorry, thats reality.


It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged.



Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea?


No because it's a known fact that foreigners deal with jet lag better. They can recover in about an hour or two.

Wow, i smell troll ._. .. Anyway, your race have no influence with the ability to deal with jet lag


It's not their race or ethnicity, it's the culture. When have you heard a 3 or more time GSL champion (or similar level) say "I want to go outside of Korea"? Never. They don't want to go out of Korea so they don't practice to recover quickly from jet lag. Foreigners on the other hand love to go to places like Korea, whether its to train or visit...so they prepare themselves to recover from jet lag faster.
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