• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:43
CEST 05:43
KST 12:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202552RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams8Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing RSL Season 1 - Final Week
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ginuda's JaeDong Interview Series
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? [G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Post Pic of your Favorite Food! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 642 users

[Day 2] IEM Cologne 2012 - Groups A&B - Page 182

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 180 181 182 183 184 188 Next
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
August 16 2012 18:43 GMT
#3621
Let's face it as much as I love Nestea his bad mechanics are really preventing him from competing at the top level especially now with KeSPA elephants stampeding GSL players who have way better mechanics than him. I say in weeks' time we will see Nestea co-coaching LG IM instead of competing
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
August 16 2012 18:43 GMT
#3622
Reminds me of HuK when he was at his peak. I had a feeling Kas was going to win. He just plays soooo many games and that kind of practice pays off dividends in the lategame. You've just seen it all before and know exactly what to do, without hesitation. Unfortunately, Nestea looked like he wasn't sure what to do.

Gogo Kas, you deserved that one.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#3623
On August 17 2012 03:40 Oboeman wrote:
Did anyone (besides tasteless) think that nestea was ahead in game 2?


I didn't think he was really ahead even in game 1, maybe in a few brief occasions.

I think the thing with Tasteless is not so much the lack of knowledge, it's just that he seems to go on autopilot often and just says things he's used to saying.
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
August 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#3624
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


LOL
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#3625
NesTea is bad at ZvT late game and always has been.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
August 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#3626
On August 17 2012 03:43 ref4 wrote:
Let's face it as much as I love Nestea his bad mechanics are really preventing him from competing at the top level especially now with KeSPA elephants stampeding GSL players who have way better mechanics than him. I say in weeks' time we will see Nestea co-coaching LG IM instead of competing


It's not mechanics, it's strategy.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
August 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#3627
wow so many people got trolled so easily

gratz to Kas, he deserves it!
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
August 16 2012 18:45 GMT
#3628
On August 17 2012 03:41 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:40 Oboeman wrote:
Did anyone (besides tasteless) think that nestea was ahead in game 2?


Artosis is Nestea fanboy.. , its like give Tarson to cast MVP games.. , he casted MVP game in HSC , and even when MVP was losing like hell , Tarson scream that MVP is winning ;p

To be fair, Artosis has to play nice. He's going to marry Nestea after all.

I'm so happy for Kas, it's a huge victory for him And as a ZvT and TvT lover, I'm happy for the tournament! Only thing that makes me a bit sad is Feast ending with a 1-4 score, even though he really showed some strength today. I'm looking forward to seeing more of him in the future.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
August 16 2012 18:45 GMT
#3629
Is anyone doing some LR-ing? =/ I can't watch because i maxed out my bandwidth limit .. (Canada...)
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 16 2012 18:45 GMT
#3630
On August 17 2012 03:45 Moka wrote:
Is anyone doing some LR-ing? =/ I can't watch because i maxed out my bandwidth limit .. (Canada...)


i can try to do it tomorrow for group C but only Bomber's game.
Zest fanboy.
starception
Profile Joined August 2012
205 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3631
On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat?


He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea.


Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result.

Sorry, thats reality.


It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged.
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3632
On August 17 2012 03:40 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Offline it's Jetlag.
Online it's Lag.
Gsl it's lack of preperation.

Im so tired of this.

Kas played better then Nestea, deal with it.


Funnily enough, the players don't make those excuses for themselves (Idra being the obvious exception), but fanboys to it for them. Really strange...
| (• ◡•)|╯ ╰(❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3633
On August 17 2012 03:44 danl9rm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:43 ref4 wrote:
Let's face it as much as I love Nestea his bad mechanics are really preventing him from competing at the top level especially now with KeSPA elephants stampeding GSL players who have way better mechanics than him. I say in weeks' time we will see Nestea co-coaching LG IM instead of competing


It's not mechanics, it's strategy.


Zergs like DRG and Symbol steam roll Terrans with bad composition all the time. It's mechanics bro.
IntelEM
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany128 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3634
What an insane finish to a great first day of group stage. Kas is the happiest guy in Cologne right now, for sure We hope you had a good time with us. Tomorrow Groups C & D.

All replays from Group A & B are available - http://esl.gg/NHMetz
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3635
On August 17 2012 03:42 Irre wrote:
honestly nestea should never travel to tournaments. he just can't cope with it and plays bad everytime. He just ends up tarnishing his rep by losing like that. owell


He was there for gamescon promotion with IM. And I don't think he worries about tarnishing his rep. He is a progamer, he plays games for a living.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3636
On August 17 2012 03:43 ref4 wrote:
Let's face it as much as I love Nestea his bad mechanics are really preventing him from competing at the top level especially now with KeSPA elephants stampeding GSL players who have way better mechanics than him. I say in weeks' time we will see Nestea co-coaching LG IM instead of competing


He will play as long as he can stay in GSL, he has no problems with staying in the most difficult league so far and i don't see it change in a couple of weeks. Nestea never showed his best play abroad and proberly never will.
That does not make him retire though, IM has sweet sponsers and plenty of coin to spare for a player like Nestea.
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3637
On August 17 2012 03:43 ref4 wrote:
Let's face it as much as I love Nestea his bad mechanics are really preventing him from competing at the top level especially now with KeSPA elephants stampeding GSL players who have way better mechanics than him. I say in weeks' time we will see Nestea co-coaching LG IM instead of competing

More likely end up at coaching KT Rolster if you ask me.
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3638
On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat?


He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea.


Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result.

Sorry, thats reality.


It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged.


Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea?
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
August 16 2012 18:47 GMT
#3639
mass orbital > zerg macro. droning up and trading army does not work anymore
21 is half the truth
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
August 16 2012 18:48 GMT
#3640
On August 17 2012 03:42 SilentSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:40 ChaosArcher wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Offline it's Jetlag.
Online it's Lag.
Gsl it's lack of preperation.

Im so tired of this.

Kas played better then Nestea, deal with it.


Nestea has stated tons of times that he doesn't deal with jetlag well. He played well early on but then later his play started to get worse and worse. The only person I really defend when it comes to people saying this jetlag shit is Nestea since it's pretty obvious.


I don't think it has anything to do with jetlag to be honest. Nestea has been looking bad in every game that goes to Broodloords for a very long time. His best days were when Zergs could still win with Muta-Ling without going hive tech. When the game goes to that stage he seems lost, whether it's ZvP or ZvT. And it looks like his mechanics also can't keep up. His creep spread is much worse compared to the newer generation of Zergs, his injects fall behind and he can't rebuild as fast etc.
Prev 1 180 181 182 183 184 188 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 248
RuFF_SC2 161
Livibee 27
StarCraft: Brood War
Sharp 343
HiyA 156
Nal_rA 123
NaDa 86
Sexy 68
Zeus 65
Icarus 8
Britney 0
League of Legends
JimRising 700
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 440
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox339
Other Games
summit1g12315
shahzam927
ViBE242
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 22
Other Games
BasetradeTV10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 99
• davetesta36
• practicex 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo724
• Stunt334
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
7h 17m
Serral vs Cure
Solar vs Classic
OSC
10h 17m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 6h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 10h
CSO Cup
1d 12h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 14h
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.