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ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
August 16 2012 18:43 GMT
#3621
Let's face it as much as I love Nestea his bad mechanics are really preventing him from competing at the top level especially now with KeSPA elephants stampeding GSL players who have way better mechanics than him. I say in weeks' time we will see Nestea co-coaching LG IM instead of competing
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
August 16 2012 18:43 GMT
#3622
Reminds me of HuK when he was at his peak. I had a feeling Kas was going to win. He just plays soooo many games and that kind of practice pays off dividends in the lategame. You've just seen it all before and know exactly what to do, without hesitation. Unfortunately, Nestea looked like he wasn't sure what to do.

Gogo Kas, you deserved that one.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#3623
On August 17 2012 03:40 Oboeman wrote:
Did anyone (besides tasteless) think that nestea was ahead in game 2?


I didn't think he was really ahead even in game 1, maybe in a few brief occasions.

I think the thing with Tasteless is not so much the lack of knowledge, it's just that he seems to go on autopilot often and just says things he's used to saying.
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
August 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#3624
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


LOL
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#3625
NesTea is bad at ZvT late game and always has been.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
August 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#3626
On August 17 2012 03:43 ref4 wrote:
Let's face it as much as I love Nestea his bad mechanics are really preventing him from competing at the top level especially now with KeSPA elephants stampeding GSL players who have way better mechanics than him. I say in weeks' time we will see Nestea co-coaching LG IM instead of competing


It's not mechanics, it's strategy.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
August 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#3627
wow so many people got trolled so easily

gratz to Kas, he deserves it!
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
August 16 2012 18:45 GMT
#3628
On August 17 2012 03:41 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:40 Oboeman wrote:
Did anyone (besides tasteless) think that nestea was ahead in game 2?


Artosis is Nestea fanboy.. , its like give Tarson to cast MVP games.. , he casted MVP game in HSC , and even when MVP was losing like hell , Tarson scream that MVP is winning ;p

To be fair, Artosis has to play nice. He's going to marry Nestea after all.

I'm so happy for Kas, it's a huge victory for him And as a ZvT and TvT lover, I'm happy for the tournament! Only thing that makes me a bit sad is Feast ending with a 1-4 score, even though he really showed some strength today. I'm looking forward to seeing more of him in the future.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
August 16 2012 18:45 GMT
#3629
Is anyone doing some LR-ing? =/ I can't watch because i maxed out my bandwidth limit .. (Canada...)
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 16 2012 18:45 GMT
#3630
On August 17 2012 03:45 Moka wrote:
Is anyone doing some LR-ing? =/ I can't watch because i maxed out my bandwidth limit .. (Canada...)


i can try to do it tomorrow for group C but only Bomber's game.
Zest fanboy.
starception
Profile Joined August 2012
205 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3631
On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat?


He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea.


Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result.

Sorry, thats reality.


It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged.
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3632
On August 17 2012 03:40 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Offline it's Jetlag.
Online it's Lag.
Gsl it's lack of preperation.

Im so tired of this.

Kas played better then Nestea, deal with it.


Funnily enough, the players don't make those excuses for themselves (Idra being the obvious exception), but fanboys to it for them. Really strange...
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ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3633
On August 17 2012 03:44 danl9rm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:43 ref4 wrote:
Let's face it as much as I love Nestea his bad mechanics are really preventing him from competing at the top level especially now with KeSPA elephants stampeding GSL players who have way better mechanics than him. I say in weeks' time we will see Nestea co-coaching LG IM instead of competing


It's not mechanics, it's strategy.


Zergs like DRG and Symbol steam roll Terrans with bad composition all the time. It's mechanics bro.
IntelEM
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany128 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3634
What an insane finish to a great first day of group stage. Kas is the happiest guy in Cologne right now, for sure We hope you had a good time with us. Tomorrow Groups C & D.

All replays from Group A & B are available - http://esl.gg/NHMetz
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3635
On August 17 2012 03:42 Irre wrote:
honestly nestea should never travel to tournaments. he just can't cope with it and plays bad everytime. He just ends up tarnishing his rep by losing like that. owell


He was there for gamescon promotion with IM. And I don't think he worries about tarnishing his rep. He is a progamer, he plays games for a living.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3636
On August 17 2012 03:43 ref4 wrote:
Let's face it as much as I love Nestea his bad mechanics are really preventing him from competing at the top level especially now with KeSPA elephants stampeding GSL players who have way better mechanics than him. I say in weeks' time we will see Nestea co-coaching LG IM instead of competing


He will play as long as he can stay in GSL, he has no problems with staying in the most difficult league so far and i don't see it change in a couple of weeks. Nestea never showed his best play abroad and proberly never will.
That does not make him retire though, IM has sweet sponsers and plenty of coin to spare for a player like Nestea.
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3637
On August 17 2012 03:43 ref4 wrote:
Let's face it as much as I love Nestea his bad mechanics are really preventing him from competing at the top level especially now with KeSPA elephants stampeding GSL players who have way better mechanics than him. I say in weeks' time we will see Nestea co-coaching LG IM instead of competing

More likely end up at coaching KT Rolster if you ask me.
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
August 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#3638
On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat?


He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea.


Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result.

Sorry, thats reality.


It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged.


Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea?
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
August 16 2012 18:47 GMT
#3639
mass orbital > zerg macro. droning up and trading army does not work anymore
21 is half the truth
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
August 16 2012 18:48 GMT
#3640
On August 17 2012 03:42 SilentSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 03:40 ChaosArcher wrote:
On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents.


Offline it's Jetlag.
Online it's Lag.
Gsl it's lack of preperation.

Im so tired of this.

Kas played better then Nestea, deal with it.


Nestea has stated tons of times that he doesn't deal with jetlag well. He played well early on but then later his play started to get worse and worse. The only person I really defend when it comes to people saying this jetlag shit is Nestea since it's pretty obvious.


I don't think it has anything to do with jetlag to be honest. Nestea has been looking bad in every game that goes to Broodloords for a very long time. His best days were when Zergs could still win with Muta-Ling without going hive tech. When the game goes to that stage he seems lost, whether it's ZvP or ZvT. And it looks like his mechanics also can't keep up. His creep spread is much worse compared to the newer generation of Zergs, his injects fall behind and he can't rebuild as fast etc.
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