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On August 17 2012 03:59 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 03:58 IPA wrote:On August 17 2012 03:51 Mackus wrote:On August 17 2012 03:50 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 Sandermatt wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents. Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat? He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea. Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result. Sorry, thats reality. It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged. Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea? No because it's a known fact that foreigners deal with jet lag better. They can recover in about an hour or two. What a stupid claim without any evidence whatsoever. Man, welcome to the internet. You're being trolled hard. Do not respond. Can you honestly not tell? He's being serious, that's the problem 
No he isn't you retard, starception is a known troll.
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On August 17 2012 04:07 starception wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 03:56 Moka wrote:On August 17 2012 03:50 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 Sandermatt wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents. Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat? He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea. Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result. Sorry, thats reality. It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged. Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea? No because it's a known fact that foreigners deal with jet lag better. They can recover in about an hour or two. Wow, i smell troll ._. .. Anyway, your race have no influence with the ability to deal with jet lag It's not their race or ethnicity, it's the culture. When have you heard a 3 or more time GSL champion (or similar level) say "I want to go outside of Korea"? Never. They don't want to go out of Korea so they don't practice to recover quickly from jet lag. Foreigners on the other hand love to go to places like Korea, whether its to train or visit...so they prepare themselves to recover from jet lag faster.
MC is a scrub. Use better arguments to troll it's too easy :'(
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On August 17 2012 04:07 starception wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 03:56 Moka wrote:On August 17 2012 03:50 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 Sandermatt wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents. Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat? He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea. Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result. Sorry, thats reality. It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged. Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea? No because it's a known fact that foreigners deal with jet lag better. They can recover in about an hour or two. Wow, i smell troll ._. .. Anyway, your race have no influence with the ability to deal with jet lag It's not their race or ethnicity, it's the culture. When have you heard a 3 or more time GSL champion (or similar level) say "I want to go outside of Korea"? Never. They don't want to go out of Korea so they don't practice to recover quickly from jet lag. Foreigners on the other hand love to go to places like Korea, whether its to train or visit...so they prepare themselves to recover from jet lag faster.
Why is Nestea being referred to as a 4-time GSL champ?
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the big question is WTF happened to SC2 in the US? Is it Obamas fault? Even huk has fallen out and he is canadian.
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On August 17 2012 04:04 Stanlot wrote:
Is it strange that I completely expected Kas to beat Nestea today?
Not really.
Nestea is a very good with strategic play but his mechanics are really lacking in standard macro games where Kas really shines.
Also ZvT is his weakest matchup by far and he always looks tired as fuck when he travels.
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On August 17 2012 04:05 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 04:03 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On August 17 2012 04:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 17 2012 03:59 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On August 16 2012 22:39 ondik wrote:
It's pity Tasteless doesn't know much about foreign scene.. first the Sortof-Demuslim match where Demuslim definitely wasn't a favorite, now Nerchio-Forgg. He was talking as if Forgg was 80/20 favorite to win, while coming into the match Forgg was rather the underdog. or not so how much did you bet on him for 3 times the money I bet $600 and made a nice profit. ^^ thats not how you profit. you profit from making good bets And I make 65% correct bets silly. When you actually understands what constitutes a "favorite", it's easy to bet on this scene.
lol
yeah youre a profitable better mentioning a stat that says nothing. you know that all odds between players arent given at 2 times the money each right? how many bets have you made?
yes its all about understanding what constitutes a favourite to be profitable. could you tell me more about what constitutes a favourite? what were the odds in that match for example?
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On August 17 2012 04:05 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 04:03 Lysanias wrote:On August 17 2012 03:59 sAsImre wrote:On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today. Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players. id say illusion most definitely better. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/3659_Illusionhttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Kas a TON more played higher % on each matchup better online and offline results on Kas called "the destroyer" for his mechanics ... Jup Illusion it is ! you forgot the main achievement section, also called 2nd place section for illu (who's pretty good but still way under Kas.TZain lvl)
I think i am doing Kas injustice for sure and forgot tons. To compare them even feels wrong. Illusion is a great up and coming player but he's got a lot to prove before being considered best terran. Kas on the other hand has been a top terran consistantly from the start of Sc2.
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starception troll x_x
And NesTea isnt as good as everyone thinks imo. I mean... he's ZergBong x_X Never rly understood the hype about nestea :/
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On August 17 2012 04:12 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 04:05 sAsImre wrote:On August 17 2012 04:03 Lysanias wrote:On August 17 2012 03:59 sAsImre wrote:On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today. Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players. id say illusion most definitely better. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/3659_Illusionhttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Kas a TON more played higher % on each matchup better online and offline results on Kas called "the destroyer" for his mechanics ... Jup Illusion it is ! you forgot the main achievement section, also called 2nd place section for illu (who's pretty good but still way under Kas.TZain lvl) I think i am doing Kas injustice for sure and forgot tons. To compare them even feels wrong. Illusion is a great up and coming player but he's got a lot to prove before being considered best terran. Kas on the other hand has been a top terran consistantly from the start of Sc2.
What's really incredible with Kas is that he's one of the really few guys who were good 2years ago and are still relevant. Like Nestea btw 
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On August 17 2012 04:13 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
starception troll x_x
And NesTea isnt as good as everyone thinks imo. I mean... he's ZergBong x_X Never rly understood the hype about nestea :/
You can blame Artosis for the nestea hype.
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On August 17 2012 04:14 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 04:13 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
starception troll x_x
And NesTea isnt as good as everyone thinks imo. I mean... he's ZergBong x_X Never rly understood the hype about nestea :/ You can blame Artosis for the nestea hype.
Winning a GSL without dropping a map a year ago (his 3rd IIRC) was a fucking impressive feat, the Nestea's award is impressive too.
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On August 17 2012 04:10 sc2holar wrote:
the big question is WTF happened to SC2 in the US? Is it Obamas fault? Even huk has fallen out and he is canadian.
The answer to this is popularity is more important then results.
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On August 17 2012 04:13 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
starception troll x_x
And NesTea isnt as good as everyone thinks imo. I mean... he's ZergBong x_X Never rly understood the hype about nestea :/
Best zerg for a long time still gives top players a run for there money on most occations been around in GSL sinds the start ye no idea either ...
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SortOf fighting. Looking really good now, but will be tough against Violet.
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On August 17 2012 04:09 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 03:59 Mackus wrote:On August 17 2012 03:58 IPA wrote:On August 17 2012 03:51 Mackus wrote:On August 17 2012 03:50 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 Sandermatt wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:
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Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat? He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea. Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result. Sorry, thats reality. It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged. Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea? No because it's a known fact that foreigners deal with jet lag better. They can recover in about an hour or two. What a stupid claim without any evidence whatsoever. Man, welcome to the internet. You're being trolled hard. Do not respond. Can you honestly not tell? He's being serious, that's the problem No he isn't you retard, starception is a known troll.
Let's resort to using insulting language because it makes you look dumber than Starception.
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Northern Ireland25868 Posts
On August 17 2012 03:57 Irre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 03:52 sc2holar wrote:On August 17 2012 03:41 Shiori wrote:
Nestea simply isn't very good at ZvT anymore. Kas is incredibly overrated by europeans, but the fact is that he definitely outplayed Nestea today. Could you name an american Terran player that is better or even close to kas level? Kas and Thorzain are the best Foreign Terrans, Stephano is the best foreign Zerg and Nani/Sase/Mana is the best foreign protoss players. id say illusion most definitely better.
Not so sure, guy's pretty good but he's a bit hot/cold. Still, Illusion is a pretty legitimate shout in terms of foreign Terrans
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On August 17 2012 04:17 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 04:09 zefreak wrote:On August 17 2012 03:59 Mackus wrote:On August 17 2012 03:58 IPA wrote:On August 17 2012 03:51 Mackus wrote:On August 17 2012 03:50 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 Sandermatt wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:
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He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea. Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result. Sorry, thats reality. It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged. Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea? No because it's a known fact that foreigners deal with jet lag better. They can recover in about an hour or two. What a stupid claim without any evidence whatsoever. Man, welcome to the internet. You're being trolled hard. Do not respond. Can you honestly not tell? He's being serious, that's the problem No he isn't you retard, starception is a known troll. Let's resort to using insulting language because it makes you look dumber than Starception.
I'm sorry that you were unable to recognize trolling as obvious as starception's.
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On August 17 2012 03:50 starception wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 03:46 Sandermatt wrote:On August 17 2012 03:46 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:42 Zambrah wrote:On August 17 2012 03:41 starception wrote:On August 17 2012 03:38 vOkk wrote:On August 17 2012 03:37 starception wrote:
How did a 4 time GSL champion lose to a person who hasn't even touched the GSL? I think it's extended jet lag because jet lag affects people differently. For example, MC recovers from jet lag very fast, but NesTea takes probably 3 days to recover. Just like puma and inori were most likely still jet lagged, that's literally the only reason NesTea, inori and puma lost to their non Korean opponents. Why can't you just admit a 4 time GSL champion can be beat? He did get beat, but it was jet lag that defeated him. Props for foreigners for taking advantage of jet lagged Koreans. Now let's see how well players like sortof do in Korea. Good lord, get over it, NesTea's multitasking was subpar and he couldn't deal with Kas' lategame and drops as a result. Sorry, thats reality. It was only subpar because NesTea was so jet lagged. Kas can play well, but unfortunately, NesTea is just 100 times better than him. Again, NesTea was simply jet lagged. Would you say the same if a forigner looses in korea? No because it's a known fact that foreigners deal with jet lag better. They can recover in about an hour or two.
oh God lol, you know I've been searching for your posts cause they are so stupidly biased, it's pure gold. This last comment is awesome! Though if you are just trolling I guess you got me too. but you should probably stop soon tt
Anyway gratz to Kas, well deserved. Also had to stop watching mid game1 and was very surprised to see he came back. Hopefully he can keep it up
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On August 17 2012 04:12 fakgfdgfdh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 04:05 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 17 2012 04:03 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On August 17 2012 04:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 17 2012 03:59 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On August 16 2012 22:39 ondik wrote:
It's pity Tasteless doesn't know much about foreign scene.. first the Sortof-Demuslim match where Demuslim definitely wasn't a favorite, now Nerchio-Forgg. He was talking as if Forgg was 80/20 favorite to win, while coming into the match Forgg was rather the underdog. or not so how much did you bet on him for 3 times the money I bet $600 and made a nice profit. ^^ thats not how you profit. you profit from making good bets And I make 65% correct bets silly. When you actually understands what constitutes a "favorite", it's easy to bet on this scene. lol yeah youre a profitable better mentioning a stat that says nothing. you know that all odds between players arent given at 2 times the money each right? how many bets have you made? yes its all about understanding what constitutes a favourite to be profitable. could you tell me more about what constitutes a favourite? what were the odds in that match for example?
I have made 1912 career bets, getting 1191 bets correct. During the IEM group stages I have made 23 correct bets out of 29, only skipping Nestea vs Violet. The only mistake I made was predicting Inori to advance in the 2nd-3rd spot.
The odds in the ForGG-Nerchio were at roughly ~1.71/2.4, although by my estimation they should have been ~2.2/1.8.
Personally I use a 15-category heuristic model of talent evaluation in conjunction with recent results, recent alterations to said model, tournament priority, situational experience, and the influence of inside information. Prestige and reputation are largely irrelevant unless they reflect said factors in action.
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On August 17 2012 04:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 04:12 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On August 17 2012 04:05 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 17 2012 04:03 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On August 17 2012 04:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 17 2012 03:59 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On August 16 2012 22:39 ondik wrote:
It's pity Tasteless doesn't know much about foreign scene.. first the Sortof-Demuslim match where Demuslim definitely wasn't a favorite, now Nerchio-Forgg. He was talking as if Forgg was 80/20 favorite to win, while coming into the match Forgg was rather the underdog. or not so how much did you bet on him for 3 times the money I bet $600 and made a nice profit. ^^ thats not how you profit. you profit from making good bets And I make 65% correct bets silly. When you actually understands what constitutes a "favorite", it's easy to bet on this scene. lol yeah youre a profitable better mentioning a stat that says nothing. you know that all odds between players arent given at 2 times the money each right? how many bets have you made? yes its all about understanding what constitutes a favourite to be profitable. could you tell me more about what constitutes a favourite? what were the odds in that match for example? I have made 1912 career bets, getting 1191 bets correct. During the IEM group stages I have made 23 correct bets out of 29, only skipping Nestea vs Violet. The only mistake I made was predicting Inori to advance in the 2nd-3rd spot. Personally I use a 15-category heuristic model of talent evaluation in conjunction with recent results, recent alterations to said model, tournament priority, situational experience, and the influence of inside information. Prestige and reputation are largely irrelevant unless they reflect said factors in action.
I think his point was that most bets are not offered at 1:1 odds.
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