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On August 07 2012 22:54 opterown wrote: JangBi, Fantasy, Oz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTea, Flying, By.Sun, BeSt, BaBy, Flashfor RO16 so far, one more to go
and flash is underdog against more than half of these players, who'd have thought this can be in OSL :-))))))))))
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Maybe some BW fans are bitter, but I'll bet most have given SC2 a chance, at least in terms of spectating. Perhaps they just don't find it interesting or entertaining, even with their BW heroes playing it.
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On August 07 2012 22:58 WrexSC2 wrote: If one of the big name kespa players could somehow post some great results in a tournament it would really help boost SC2's popularity in Korea to another level. I'm sure they'll get there eventually. yeah i hope at least flash or jangbi can reallyyy rip up their groups and go deep, maybe a finals appearance at least. even if they have to beat my fav players, it would be better for the game in the long run i think if a kespa fan favourite does really well
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On August 07 2012 22:56 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:55 silent_owl wrote: Man, this OSL could make the players just want to outright retire. What is happening? At least the GSL is pulling crowds. They are? I guess you can call 50 people a crowd but..
I know that the GSL pulls more than 50 during at least Finals series and special events.
I don't expect any of these tournaments to draw the crowds that BW used to pull or even that LOL is pulling now. Still, it depresses me that the BW fans wouldn't at least support the players. I mean, I'm not one to talk since I love SC2 but I know the players feel bad about the switch, they could use some support.
And to second the question, are ODT's always this empty? I highly doubt it though.
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On August 07 2012 22:59 Telcontar wrote: Maybe some BW fans are bitter, but I'll bet most have given SC2 a chance, at least in terms of spectating. Perhaps they just don't find it interesting or entertaining, even with their BW heroes playing it.
Or maybe it's just a qualification tournament and it's 11pm and tomorrow is a work day.
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On August 07 2012 22:59 Telcontar wrote: Maybe some BW fans are bitter, but I'll bet most have given SC2 a chance, at least in terms of spectating. Perhaps they just don't find it interesting or entertaining, even with their BW heroes playing it.
There are interviews with the OSL casters where they say that a lot of the crowd care more about the players and less about the game, so with only one member of TBLS in this OSL that is surely contributing to low crowd numbers.
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On August 07 2012 23:00 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:59 Telcontar wrote: Maybe some BW fans are bitter, but I'll bet most have given SC2 a chance, at least in terms of spectating. Perhaps they just don't find it interesting or entertaining, even with their BW heroes playing it. Or maybe it's just a qualification tournament and it's 11pm and tomorrow is a work day. It's the summer holidays. If fans wanted to be there, they would, since most are teens.
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i think everyone is over reacting a little bit. it is still very early days for OGN in sc2, people aren't really used to it yet, and there are so many sc2 tournaments on at the moment, but there was only one place to go for bw, thats why the crowd is so different.
i am sure with time things will even out alot more, with proleague finishing etc. i do expect some players to quit, maybe leave teams and join sc2 teams, mergers etc. the scene has to change quite a bit. Right now no one knows quite what to think.
especially since Kespa and non-kespa still are seperated most of the time, still very segmented.
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Also factor in that many fans may just be tired of Starcraft, and now when their BW is gone they have no reason to actually follow it anymore. I think this is why LoL blew up so hard in Korea tbh. A new game, a fresh new start, kinda. Also because everyone can play it, it's social if you play it with friends etc etc. RTS is kinda fading away, just like the more competitive FPS games.
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i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm
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Looks like the favorites to win DRG, MC, and MKP. MVP isn't looking too good lately, and neither is Nestea. I don't see any of the Kespa players having a chance. Oz could be a surprise also.
I don't see the Kespa players being competitive as a whole for another 6+ months at least.
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On August 07 2012 23:00 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:56 Probe1 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:55 silent_owl wrote: Man, this OSL could make the players just want to outright retire. What is happening? At least the GSL is pulling crowds. They are? I guess you can call 50 people a crowd but.. I know that the GSL pulls more than 50 during at least Finals series and special events. I don't expect any of these tournaments to draw the crowds that BW used to pull or even that LOL is pulling now. Still, it depresses me that the BW fans wouldn't at least support the players. I mean, I'm not one to talk since I love SC2 but I know the players feel bad about the switch, they could use some support. And to second the question, are ODT's always this empty? I highly doubt it though. Well, GOM studio in Mok Dong only holds about 50 people. And during Code A the studio is frequently unfilled. Since this is just an extension to the prelims I guess I'm not surprised at all that it isn't filled. Come time for the actual tournament to begin I think there will be bigger crowds.
Edit: And ofc there are more than 50 people at the Finals. But that's not what we're discussing ^_^
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On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote: i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm
It wouldn't surprise me if they invited a few Kespa players to the next GSL. I doubt they would do something like OSL with the split tournament till Ro16.
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i heard "cannon rush" haha
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On August 07 2012 23:04 Wegandi wrote: Looks like the favorites to win DRG, MC, and MKP. MVP isn't looking too good lately, and neither is Nestea. I don't see any of the Kespa players having a chance. Oz could be a surprise also.
I don't see the Kespa players being competitive as a whole for another 6+ months at least.
MKP doesn't look that good lately too.
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On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote: i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm
yeah i have been wondering the same thing, and although i do agree for now, given they have only been playing for a few months, Kespa players shouldnt be given unfair advantages all of the time. In future i hope they have to fight alongside everyone else for spots and in tournaments.
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On August 07 2012 23:04 Wegandi wrote: Looks like the favorites to win DRG, MC, and MKP. MVP isn't looking too good lately, and neither is Nestea. I don't see any of the Kespa players having a chance. Oz could be a surprise also.
I don't see the Kespa players being competitive as a whole for another 6+ months at least.
MC winning the first OSL would be beautiful, same for MVP.
I don't think the Kespa players will take as long as 6 months to competitive, maybe to reach Code S/OSL winner levels, but I think they will start taking games from Code S players soon and we could see a few reach the next Code A. That's another benefit of the double elim format in the WCS for them.
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actually i wouldn't mind gom throwing a few kespa players into the up/downs maybe (2 ish) and maybe 2-4 spots for code A hrmm. we need sc2 fans to build an attachment to these new guys too, and for their fans to see them play sc2 and hopefully support them a bit more
On August 07 2012 23:07 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:04 Wegandi wrote: Looks like the favorites to win DRG, MC, and MKP. MVP isn't looking too good lately, and neither is Nestea. I don't see any of the Kespa players having a chance. Oz could be a surprise also.
I don't see the Kespa players being competitive as a whole for another 6+ months at least. MKP doesn't look that good lately too. not world dominating shape like he was half a year ago, but still very good and topx terran for sure
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On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote: i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm
I don't see the need for it. A couple of Kespa players made it through the WCS qualifiers and those were harder than the Code A qualifiers. While the Code A qualies are still brutal it's not quite the same degree as they used to be when half the best players were still outside the GSL, and you see several people who might not really be on that kind of level make it in off an easy draw the last few seasons.
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