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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SBw9V.png)  ZerO < Antiga Shipyard>  Classic BeSt < Antiga Shipyard> BaBy < Ohana> < Ohana> < Entombed Valley>
Flash < Antiga Shipyard> Ryul2Last < Antiga Shipyard> BisAnG < Ohana> < Ohana> < Entombed Valley>
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ZerO vs. Classic
Classic opens with banshee hellion but queens hold and some sick zergling runbys cripple the Terran economy, allowing ZerO to safely reach brood lord roach infestor and smash his opponents mech army.
BeSt vs. BaBy
Despite some really cute positioning and drop play, BaBy just couldn't approach BeSt in terms of macro and mechanics, falling after a long supply block at 169 that foiled his own designs.
B Winners' Game
Both players play for the late game and Zero, realizing he needs to delay his opponent until his greater spire pops, sends his brave roaches on a suicide mission to annihilate as much of his opponents economy as they can. After a successful foray into the mineral lines of BeSt, Zero is ready to morph in ten brood lords when he realizes he never made a greater spire. BeSt rolls him like an angry bear and easily smashes through the toothless zerg army.
B Losers' Game
I was getting a cup of coffee and when I got back, scvs were chasing hellions. Then a banshee showed up. Really a complete slaughter. (BaBy 1 base bashed Classic)
B Final Game
BaBy opened with a 12/14 rax and did a great job at denying early droning and taking an economic lead. Zero tried to repay in spades but BaBy held the baneling bust and despite underwhelming macro, took a lead and never gave it up.
Flash vs. Ryul2
Uninspired play from both players, let's not lie to each other. Flash takes his standard 14CC, Ryul2 does nothing to punish it. Flash takes hold of the center in the mid game and despite losing it, never lets go of the momentum. Although he was plagued by fungals that decimated his unspread army, his impeccable macro was too much for Ryul2. Not to mention Ryul2 prepared himself for an ultralisk switch then decided against it and tried to remake brood lords in front of 12 vikings. Ouch!
Last vs. BisAnG
I wasn't looking, I think BisAnG made scouts so they dq'd him for being a hipster.
C Winners' Game
Flash tried to bunker rush Last for going 14cc LOL but it didn't work. Last held a slight edge economic wise but Flash kept up by double expanding. Naturally Last stayed in his natural and was overpowered by Flashs imbalanced economy. Flash went mech, Last went marine tank, they met and fell in love. Flash told Last it wasn't meant to be and Last fell apart, heartbroken by Flashs much bigger army.
C Losers' Game
BisAnG opened with an ineffective Stargate play, transitioned into an ineffective 7gate all in and died. Ryul2 did a good job of holding it, at one moment showing real promise by saving his roaches with burrow and trapping BisAnGs army once his reinforcements came by unburrowing behind them.
C Final Game
Last bunker rushed the pants off Ryul2. It was.. uh.. pretty bad.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i8OLq.png) + Show Spoiler [Group B] +Poll: Who will advance out of Group B?ZerO and BaBy (8) 47% BeSt and BaBy (4) 24% ZerO and Classic (2) 12% ZerO and BeSt (2) 12% Classic and BaBy (1) 6% Classic and BeSt (0) 0% 17 total votes Your vote: Who will advance out of Group B? (Vote): ZerO and Classic
(Vote): ZerO and BeSt
(Vote): ZerO and BaBy
(Vote): Classic and BeSt
(Vote): Classic and BaBy
(Vote): BeSt and BaBy
Poll: Best player of Group B?BaBy (8) 50% ZerO (4) 25% BeSt (3) 19% Classic (1) 6% 16 total votes Your vote: Best player of Group B? (Vote): ZerO
(Vote): Classic
(Vote): BeSt
(Vote): BaBy
Poll: Who is your favorite?BaBy (9) 56% BeSt (6) 38% ZerO (1) 6% Classic (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Who is your favorite? (Vote): ZerO
(Vote): Classic
(Vote): BeSt
(Vote): BaBy
Poll: Who will advance out of Group C? Flash and Last (11) 65% Flash and Ryul2 (4) 24% Ryul2 and BisAnG (1) 6% Last and BisAnG (1) 6% Flash and BisAnG (0) 0% Ryul2 and Last (0) 0% 17 total votes Your vote: Who will advance out of Group C? (Vote): Flash and Ryul2
(Vote): Flash and Last
(Vote): Flash and BisAnG
(Vote): Ryul2 and Last
(Vote): Ryul2 and BisAnG
(Vote): Last and BisAnG
Poll: Best player of Group C?Flash (16) 89% Last (2) 11% Ryul2 (0) 0% BisAnG (0) 0% 18 total votes Your vote: Best player of Group C? (Vote): Flash
(Vote): Ryul2
(Vote): Last
(Vote): BisAnG
Poll: Who is your favorite?Flash (14) 88% Ryul2 (2) 13% Last (0) 0% BisAnG (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Who is your favorite? (Vote): Flash
(Vote): Ryul2
(Vote): Last
(Vote): BisAnG
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(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend BeSt vs BaBy?Yes (5) 100% No (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend BeSt vs BaBy? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Winners Match?Yes (2) 40% If you have time (2) 40% No (1) 20% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners Match? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Losers Match?Yes (5) 100% No (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers Match? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Final Match?Yes (3) 100% No (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Series?Yes (2) 67% If you have time (1) 33% No (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Series? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Flash vs Ryul2?Yes (15) 68% If you have time (7) 32% No (0) 0% 22 total votes Your vote: Recommend Flash vs Ryul2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Last vs BisAnGNo (5) 71% Yes (1) 14% If you have time (1) 14% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Last vs BisAnG (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Winners Match?Yes (8) 73% If you have time (2) 18% No (1) 9% 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners Match? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Losers Match?No (4) 80% If you have time (1) 20% Yes (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers Match? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Who was the best player today OTHER than FlashBaBy (8) 50% BeSt (4) 25% Last (4) 25% 16 total votes Your vote: Who was the best player today OTHER than Flash (Vote): BeSt
(Vote): BaBy
(Vote): Last
(Naturally you can extrapolate that Flash played better than anyone else today by far.)
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If either Flash or Baby doesn't make it I will be a sad panda
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This is gonna be on at the same time as WCS 
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Zero > Classic
Best < Baby
Zero > Baby
Classic > Best
Baby > Classic
Zero + Baby
Flash > Ryul
Last > Bisang
Last > Flash
Bisang > Ryul
Flash > Bisang
Last + Flash
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BeSt and Baby for me. I hope. Wouldn't mind if Flash got through though. This sure is a group of death :/
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On August 07 2012 01:39 Cenja wrote:This is gonna be on at the same time as WCS
Yeah but Group D (with Flash) should be on by the time WCS is over.
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On August 07 2012 01:44 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:39 Cenja wrote:This is gonna be on at the same time as WCS Yeah but Group D (with Flash) should be on by the time WCS is over.
But that means I'll miss baby,best and zero.
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aww..I really want baby, best and zerO to advance...sad face, why all in the same group...On the other hand, there are way too many protosses already in the OSL...-_-
the other group, don't care about the players except flash and he should get through.
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Can we swap BeSt for Ryul2? TT I want Best, ZerO and Baby through. Second group is pretty uninteresting. Probably Flash and Last.
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your Country52797 Posts
hey just so you know you have groups B and C listed sometimes and C and D sometimes.
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We already have so many protoss in the ro16 but I hope Best can make it anyway.
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best/baby will take their group, and flash and BiSanG will take theirs.
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On August 07 2012 01:52 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:44 Probe1 wrote:On August 07 2012 01:39 Cenja wrote:This is gonna be on at the same time as WCS Yeah but Group D (with Flash) should be on by the time WCS is over. But that means I'll miss baby,best and zero.
Watch both 
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On August 07 2012 03:41 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:52 Fusilero wrote:On August 07 2012 01:44 Probe1 wrote:On August 07 2012 01:39 Cenja wrote:This is gonna be on at the same time as WCS Yeah but Group D (with Flash) should be on by the time WCS is over. But that means I'll miss baby,best and zero. Watch both
I would but my computer has been a piece of shit recently and struggles to maintain multiple streams .
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On August 07 2012 03:41 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:52 Fusilero wrote:On August 07 2012 01:44 Probe1 wrote:On August 07 2012 01:39 Cenja wrote:This is gonna be on at the same time as WCS Yeah but Group D (with Flash) should be on by the time WCS is over. But that means I'll miss baby,best and zero. Watch both
Multitasking streams' windows is a must have skill
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On August 07 2012 03:43 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:41 blade55555 wrote:On August 07 2012 01:52 Fusilero wrote:On August 07 2012 01:44 Probe1 wrote:On August 07 2012 01:39 Cenja wrote:This is gonna be on at the same time as WCS Yeah but Group D (with Flash) should be on by the time WCS is over. But that means I'll miss baby,best and zero. Watch both I would but my computer has been a piece of shit recently and struggles to maintain multiple streams . i got the same problem
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ZerO has looked very impressive so far against Protoss, but I haven't seen him against Terran yet in SPL. Nevertheless, his ZvP games have shown exceptional mechanics and play that look on-par with some GSL Zergs. Classic will have a hard time against him, and Best will have an even harder time.
I think Baby will hopefully do well, especially with Team 8 owning face in SPL and Cezanne definitely working wonders with his coaching.
I think Last definitely has a strong chance of advancing, as his SPL performance has been strong thus far.
There isn't much info for Ryul2 and Bisang in the TLPD, but a look into their OSL prelim matchups reveals some information. Ryul2 went through Shine, Shy, and hitmaN (hahahaha, hitmaN) to qualify. Shy is obviously known for his defeat of Ace in the cross-match thing. Bisang went through Bisu, Snow, and Mini to qualify. Bisu sucks at SC2, and Shine's TLPD has a few games confused with TSL.Shine. Mini hasn't been too impressive either. However, Snow is definitely a strong player, beating Flash and Nestea in the prelims for WCG and WCS, though my memory may be mistaken.
Flash's performance is kinda hard to predict. I hope Clide has been working the KT house long enough to make at least a small difference in Flash's play since his deficiencies in SC2 have already been exploited in SPL. The STX Terrans have already shown a TvT build that can directly counter Flash's build. Also, he tends to play too passive and greedy against Zergs, which has been his undoing quite a few times.
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United States23455 Posts
For the sake of the OSL, Flash/Baby/Last/ZerO, please.
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opterown
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oh this is so low bumpity bump!!!
ro16 group selection is 14th
ro16 starts 21st!!!
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I'll be casting assuming there is no official English stream. 
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Gogo Flash!
LOL, I almost forgot about this. I need to go to bed soon.
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Best/BaBy
Flash/last
for once i'm cheering for all of the favorites :D
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Baby fighting! Hoping flash can make it through as well.
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United States97276 Posts
Huh, I'm not really a Brood War guy and I haven't really seen too much pro league this season, but I think I kind of have a general idea of how these guys are doing based off the other posts in this thread. It will definitely be interesting to see more of these guys as they progress further into OS2L. I'm going to go ahead and root for Classic, Baby, Flash, and Last for the sake of Terran pride but I'd definitely like to check this out later tonight. Good luck to all of the players and hopefully they can produce good games.
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On August 07 2012 15:54 opterown wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PIjZ3.jpg) how's something like this for RO16? needs to be more epic/player faces/etc? ^^
That should do just fine
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Can't wait for this to start.
Particularly excited for group B
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sigh...i went to the bw section to find the thread...
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Would be nice if OGN could get their official twitch stream up on time instead of leaving it as an afterthought =/.
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On August 07 2012 19:34 Kiyo. wrote:
Would be nice if OGN could get their official twitch stream up on time instead of leaving it as an afterthought =/.
Yeah.
Still I like ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooophidian so happy to watch him, but would like to show OGN some direct interest in it ><
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On August 07 2012 19:34 Kiyo. wrote:
Would be nice if OGN could get their official twitch stream up on time instead of leaving it as an afterthought =/.
Or any stream whatsoever z_z
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They can't even stream it on twitch?
wth. VLC doesn't work that well for me :/
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can salye cast this or will he get bannd again...T_T
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CLASSIC DRINKS LIKE FANTASY!
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Sooooooo, anyone has a working korean stream?
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On August 07 2012 19:35 Shock710 wrote:
can salye cast this or will he get bannd again...T_T
was watching his SPL a few hours ago and he said he had to run to work
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On August 07 2012 19:39 Fragile51 wrote:
Sooooooo, anyone has a working korean stream?
Yes, the SD stream on VLC seems to work beautifully.
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On August 07 2012 19:39 Fragile51 wrote:
Sooooooo, anyone has a working korean stream?
VLC HD works
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On August 07 2012 19:40 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 19:39 Fragile51 wrote:
Sooooooo, anyone has a working korean stream? VLC HD works
Not for me, for some reason :/
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opterown
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there will be an eng stream i think for RO16 - doa! hang in here~
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On August 07 2012 19:42 opterown wrote:
there will be an eng stream i think for RO16 - doa! hang in here~
I hope we get some type of English coverage for the group selection, but I'd imagine probably not.
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Okay, finally got it working. Had to reset my entire VLC players settings, but i got it to work. Fucking vlc player...why people prefer it to GOM player i have no idea -_-
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Very standard expand + hellion opening from Classic
Zero getting a pretty quick ling speed and following it with a third.
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Banshee hellion opener, very suave.
Well it did absolutely no damage and classic let a bunch of lings force a cancel on his third. Whoopiee
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Classic playing mech!
Harassing with cloaked banshees in the main and hellions at the third.
ZerO denying Classic's third with a ling runby
ZerO still fending off heavy hellion pressure with nothing but lings and queens at the 11 minute mark
Infestors about to pop out
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What's Zeros gameplan? Just rush hive and mass ling infestor ultra?
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Classic opens with a combination that has a high chance to kill workers. Zero kills twice as many with just zerglings despite the presence of many hellion. Go figure
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On August 07 2012 19:49 Probe1 wrote:
What's Zeros gameplan? Just rush hive and mass ling infestor ultra?
I don't think he realised it was mech until just now.
Great ling runby though, delayed the smaller mech push, killed some units, and killed a bunch of workers.
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Lol. Classic cloaks his banshee to cross the map...runs out of energy as soon as it reaches ZerO's base
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Classic doesn't have the economy to recover and he doesn't have a big enough army to kill Zero. Unless he gets miraculous positioning and I mean god mandated positioning, I can't see him winning.
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Zero's ling runby's have been so good.
Bought so much time and actually killed so many workers.
Now comes the broodlord march
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zerO is crushing this game
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even the drones are fighting
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Fun I guess but not remarkable.
Poll: Recommend Zero vs Classic?Yes (10) 83% No (1) 8% If you have time (1) 8% 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Zero vs Classic? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Super convincing win from ZerO.
I am impressed!
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Zero is just taking Classic apart. Those runbys were so effective that Classic never had the economy or army to kill Zero.
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Hell yeah ZerO crushing through pretty easily.
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Whats the game ending song?
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opterown
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much better than tails-happy lol
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On August 07 2012 19:57 opterown wrote:
much better than tails-happy lol
That's not hard to do!
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I didn't mean to take away from ZerO he played without fault. Classic however just couldn't handle it and that took away from the enjoyment for me.
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fuck yeah baby gonna crush!
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best vs baby this is gonna be sooo awesome! i love them both
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opterown
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DOH JAE WOOK FIGHTIIIIIIIIIING
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Jaedong was JDJD and baby is TYTY lol
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Ah Baby is going 1rax CC, I was half expecting him to do something sneaky since he's been one of the Kespa Terrans with the biggest variety of openers and contemporary builds.
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So cute, Baby just stimming a single marine away from the chasing protoss units.
Doing that cool midgame hellion drop like Byun did vs Seed
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Now best is gonna counterattack, dunno if Baby has enough stuff to hold. Or he should at least
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lol wow BaBy read that wrong but he didn't have a choice.
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
That shouldn't of done that much damage. Even so I'm not sure it gives Baby a huge advantage.
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That hero stalker picking off that medivac
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this game is sooo close 0_o com'on best u can do it, U too BABY! gogog WIN
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That was a really good move by BaBy, luring the stalkers away from the colossus.
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
That hero stalker tracking down the medivac.
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Ah that was pretty sick, Baby sends in the drop ship, Best scouts it and sends stalkers back, Baby spots stalkers moving and snipes a Colossus at the front.
Best going to remain defensive and take a third. Baby with his up already though and 2/2 almost done + ghosts on the way
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Best definitely got this if he plays right
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Baby has been so supply blocked for absolutely ages.
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Come on Best, in a good spot now.
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Great control from Baby
e: not enough, Best crushes despite a supply disadvantage
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Yaaaaaaaaaaay BeSt!
Hopefully both of these players will make it through though D:
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Poll: Recommend BeSt vs BaBy?Yes (5) 100% No (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend BeSt vs BaBy? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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Ahhh. I was really looking forward to possibly seeing Baby vs ZerO.
Best vs Zero is ok though.
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On August 07 2012 20:23 Talionis wrote:
Ahhh. I was really looking forward to possibly seeing Baby vs ZerO.
Best vs Zero is ok though.
might still see baby-zero in g5 though!
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A bit too passive by Baby. Had to try to deny the 3rd. A few too many vikings as well (although that is hard since you aren't always sure how many colossi your opponent will build).
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another match up, where i want both of them to win...hmm..maybe best cause hes on bisu's team and i love bisu, but zero is with soulkey and i love soulkey arrrgg T_T </3
edit: not to say i dont love zero and best, but rather my love of both of them gets cancelled out
...lol zerO so cute getting the air-con remote
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Come on BeSt, you got this shit.
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On August 07 2012 20:31 Fragile51 wrote:
Come on BeSt, you got this shit.
what happened to ur sig..didnt u have one or am i going crazy
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So hard to watch this, like both of them so much...
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On August 07 2012 20:37 stipe145 wrote:
So hard to watch this, like both of them so much...
Silly group of death, I'd even be happy seeing Classic advance =(
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
That was a strange attack, it could have worked if Zero didn't see it 30 seconds before it hit.
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On August 07 2012 20:33 Shock710 wrote:what happened to ur sig..didnt u have one or am i going crazy
I've never had a sig, no.
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Zero you have enough resources to make 20 overlords. Make 2 plz.
Sac'd his roach army before making a greater spire. Now he'll have to remake his roaches lol.
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best is dealing with this pretty damn well imo
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Did ZerO forget the greater spire? >_<
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Best just has to go fucking kill him
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Poll: Recommend Winners Match?Yes (2) 40% If you have time (2) 40% No (1) 20% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners Match? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
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There, it was that simple
Best must be one of the most defensive players ever lol
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Best is a macro beast - cheese him or lose
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woghh best .... nice timing
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Rough way to lose, making a silly mistake like that. >_<
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Guess Protosses are adapting the quickest
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DOH JAE WOOOOOOOOOK
So, that's 1/2 :D Now for Baby to make it out as well.
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On August 07 2012 20:47 mordk wrote:There, it was that simple Best must be one of the most defensive players ever lol
He was known for being the macro toss back in BW. I guess that kinda transfered over.
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gonna be a baby vs zerO possibility right?
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thats just lack of experience. ZerO freed up roaches supply too soon, erected too few spines (with like 2.5k in his bank). He ended up unnecessarily dying before bl hit
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On August 07 2012 20:50 Shock710 wrote:
gonna be a baby vs zerO possibility right?
If baby wins vs classic baby and zero will decide the last player that advances to the ro16.
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On August 07 2012 20:47 vthree wrote:
Guess Protosses are adapting the quickest
Yes, of course, the key to success in SC2 is to hope your opponent plays badly 
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On August 07 2012 20:56 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:47 vthree wrote:
Guess Protosses are adapting the quickest Yes, of course, the key to success in SC2 is to hope your opponent plays badly
Hard to play badly when you just camp in your base till you get an unstoppable deathball *trollololololol* =p
I'm glad this group is living up to expectations as the group of death, last weeks games were pretty anticlimactic but today's have been enjoyable so far.
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ok Baby, time to set up a match with Zero please!
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On August 07 2012 20:56 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:47 vthree wrote:
Guess Protosses are adapting the quickest Yes, of course, the key to success in SC2 is to hope your opponent plays badly
You would be surprise how well that works. Maybe you won't win GSLs but you can definitely hang in Code S if you just play solid. More games have been lost due to mistakes rather than won due to brilliant play.
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If you have a single spire and you're trying to reach a crisp brood lord time, it really helps not to have +1 attack (should have been carapace anyway) hogging your only spire and preventing your dead weight corruptors from becoming the army you have to have.
You are of course right vthree but I'm having a serious crisis of faith in the ability of these guys. I'm not expecting innovative, groundbreaking play but damnit I don't want to see THAT level of disaster.
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
Well Classic is just dead.
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Perfect rush from Baby <3
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Speaking of disasters
Poll: Recommend Losers Match?Yes (5) 100% No (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers Match? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
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That was really well played.
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Yeah BaBy executed it perfectly. Can't say anything negative about that, really well done.
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
12/14 rax from Baby, forces a lot of lost mining time and lings from Zero and doesn't lose anything.
Baby takes his expo at 20 scv's vs 15 drones, despite neither player actually killing anything in the early pressure.
Baby bunkering down the bottom of the ramp to stop Zero being able to slip out with a drone to take a third, and takes a third CC himself. Perfect opening for him so far.
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Zero with a huge 2 base baneling bust.
Baby defends it absolutely perfectly. Noting that little bit of depot blocking in his sim city down for the future.
Baby going into a big bio blue flame force. Zero tosses down a roach warren and tries to go into double ups.
Baby 20 supply up with a third established, Zero in a lot of trouble now.
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ok im confused, opoodian is calling the terran Ty some ppl here are calling him Classic and baby... which is it?
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Sickest hold by Baby. Goddamn.
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The game may be completely in BaBys favor but he needs to capitalize on it immediately. Letting Zero catch up in economy, EVEN after that baneling bust, is risky.
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baneling bust but
baby holds
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On August 07 2012 21:26 zaii wrote:
ok im confused, opoodian is calling the terran Ty some ppl here are calling him Classic and baby... which is it?
Ty is Baby's other ID. It's kinda annoying that some players have multiple id's, like Rain/by.sun
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On August 07 2012 21:26 zaii wrote:
ok im confused, opoodian is calling the terran Ty some ppl here are calling him Classic and baby... which is it?
Classic = Classic, he was the other Terran in the group who isn't playing this match.
Baby = TY. It's like people calling ForGG ForGG even when he was officially playing under a different ID>
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72 SCV's vs 57 drones
Everything in baby's favour bar upgrades.
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I know you're really digging BaBy Asha` but his macro is gross as hell.
If he just pushed out now he could win the game.
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Baby needs to practice not getting supply blocked so often :p
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Baby up 50 supply.
Both players trying to establish fourths, Baby's is slightly delayed by a creep drop but will be otherwise uncontested, Zero having to fend off drops.
Here comes the huge 2/2 timing from Baby
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Zero counters with a runby but Baby has units in position and cleans it up with reinforcements.
Baby pushes further into Zero's half of the map, good marine splits keep lots of bio alive when zero engages/
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Baby now almost sieged up between Zero's fourth and third.
Good fungals stalling the push a bit but Zero's fourth does go down.
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man,, Playoffs for proleague is gonna look so good for Team 8, can't wait <3 Jaedong & Baby
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The HD VLC stream stopped workiong for me
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Dem splits. ZerO fighting back but still in a lot of trouble.
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Hit play again sometimes the VLC stream dies at random.
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gg
and baby baby baby oooooooooooo
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Broodlords get out in time for Zero to hold on to his third, and with good control + a timely fungal he's able to force Baby to back up.
Baby producing 5 vikings at a time though and rallies them all up forwards. Constant pressure on Zero's third. Baby also elevators in a marine/tank force at the natural. Zero can't break either front and is forced to GG out.
Best and Baby advance.
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Why aren't they streaming this on twitch?
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Good games from group B!
Obviously still plenty of flaws to work on, but fun to watch and lots of great bits of play dotted around.
Feel sorry for Zero, he'd have had a great chance of advancing in any other group.
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Awesome! Really happy so see Baby get through!
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I'm glad you enjoyed it more than I did Asha` I guess I've become too jaded!
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Ah, just signed in. How did BaBy's games look like?
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On August 07 2012 21:33 Probe1 wrote:
Hit play again sometimes the VLC stream dies at random.
It doesn't start, now vlc even gives me an error when i try to open the network stream.
SD works though...
edit: nvm, it's working again
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Oh right, forgot there's one more group to go.
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On August 07 2012 21:40 Gosi wrote:
Ah, just signed in. How did BaBy's games look like?
Stated off well against Best but sat back too much and died against zealot archon army.
Against Classic he pressured with a couple marines and hellions while going proxy banshees it completely destroyed Classic.
Against Zero did a later 2 rax into 3cc when Zero really overreacted. Zero tried to baneling bust him and he held it off perfectly with the help of some really good sim city. After that Zero just slowly died because he was always behind.
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Baby fighting! Team 8 fighting!
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14 CC from Flash.
Everyone is surprised.
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Flash with the standard 14cc. Suprised that doesnt get blind countered
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Flash 14CCs in Minesweeper. Truth.
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Man one of these days someone's gonna 6pool/2gate/2rax Flash's 14cc :p
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I have the OSL commentators on but watching the other stream.
No idea what the deal is with 4:3
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I wouldn't even be surprised if Flash would make some medics to heal his marines.
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6pool this guy seriously.
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On August 07 2012 21:57 Vandro wrote:
I wouldn't even be surprised if Flash would make some medics to heal his marines.
new bug in 1.5?
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On August 07 2012 21:56 Medrea wrote:
I have the OSL commentators on but watching the other stream.
No idea what the deal is with 4:3
Adjust the aspect ratio in VLC player to 16 .
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On August 07 2012 21:56 Kommander wrote:
Man one of these days someone's gonna 6pool/2gate/2rax Flash's 14cc :p
Thats the fastest way to lose vs Flash . He does not get cheesed. He scouts you proxy he destroys your lings. It wont work. ! FLASH!
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On August 07 2012 21:57 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 21:56 Medrea wrote:
I have the OSL commentators on but watching the other stream.
No idea what the deal is with 4:3 Adjust the aspect ratio in VLC player to 16 .
Oh Im just watching the stream.
Am I doing it wrong?
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Hoping for a sick timing to wipe away the 6 queen opening
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On August 07 2012 21:56 Kommander wrote:
Man one of these days someone's gonna 6pool/2gate/2rax Flash's 14cc :p
MKP held of a six pool vs Suhosin the other day even when he went CC first. Granted, he cancelled it and floated to another expo, but it just shows that it's pretty viable. In fact it seems that these greedy builds are usually autowin if you manage to hold of a hard counter to it, and it's been shown that you can actually hold them.
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On August 07 2012 21:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 21:56 Kommander wrote:
Man one of these days someone's gonna 6pool/2gate/2rax Flash's 14cc :p Thats the fastest way to lose vs Flash . He does not get cheesed. He scouts you proxy he destroys your lings. It wont work. ! FLASH!
Well he should win if the other guy goes proxy 6 pool :p
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Flash with a very early 3rd CC at his second natural
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hey, really nice recaps for LR in OP, probe1, gj
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Oh yeah they're totally super legit LRs
On August 07 2012 21:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 21:56 Kommander wrote:
Man one of these days someone's gonna 6pool/2gate/2rax Flash's 14cc :p Thats the fastest way to lose vs Flash . He does not get cheesed. He scouts you proxy he destroys your lings. It wont work. ! FLASH!
Careful with what you say. If he runs into DRG or Nestea he's going to get crushed and you're going to have to eat those words
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On August 07 2012 21:58 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 21:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On August 07 2012 21:56 Kommander wrote:
Man one of these days someone's gonna 6pool/2gate/2rax Flash's 14cc :p Thats the fastest way to lose vs Flash . He does not get cheesed. He scouts you proxy he destroys your lings. It wont work. ! FLASH! Well he should win if the other guy goes proxy 6 pool :p
The build order for this one should be simple:
Build extractor
Tech to lair
Make 3 drones
Drop creep somewhere
Make spawning pool
Profit
:p
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What is Ryul doing? A ton of creep tumors in one place.
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just came from wcs, how are the kespa players looking so far?(:
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On August 07 2012 22:01 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 21:58 Fragile51 wrote:On August 07 2012 21:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On August 07 2012 21:56 Kommander wrote:
Man one of these days someone's gonna 6pool/2gate/2rax Flash's 14cc :p Thats the fastest way to lose vs Flash . He does not get cheesed. He scouts you proxy he destroys your lings. It wont work. ! FLASH! Well he should win if the other guy goes proxy 6 pool :p The build order for this one should be simple: Build extractor Tech to lair Make 3 drones Drop creep somewhere Make spawning pool Profit :p
You actually do it by banking 300 resources and then proxy hatch cancel into pool on the tiny patch of creep left.
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On August 07 2012 22:02 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:01 Kommander wrote:On August 07 2012 21:58 Fragile51 wrote:On August 07 2012 21:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On August 07 2012 21:56 Kommander wrote:
Man one of these days someone's gonna 6pool/2gate/2rax Flash's 14cc :p Thats the fastest way to lose vs Flash . He does not get cheesed. He scouts you proxy he destroys your lings. It wont work. ! FLASH! Well he should win if the other guy goes proxy 6 pool :p The build order for this one should be simple: Build extractor Tech to lair Make 3 drones Drop creep somewhere Make spawning pool Profit :p You actually do it by banking 300 resources and then proxy hatch cancel into pool on the tiny patch of creep left.
Stop making things so simple :p
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Hahahaha did you see those marines go up and down the ramp twice in rapid succession and the banelings twitch out?
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Lol. Ryul2 burrowing next to a turret.
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Flash forgot to raise his depots.
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Flash so passive eh
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Flash not getting 3-3?
Ah, finally
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why isnt the HD link working on VLC? :S
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Flash is dead. Ultralisks incoming, few tanks, all marines and vikings.
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Man that was kinda sloppy.
Flash getting almost everything fungal raped but Ryul2 morphing almost all his anti-air letting vikings kill a lot of the broodlords.
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On August 07 2012 22:08 Asha` wrote:
Man that was kinda sloppy.
Flash getting almost everything fungal raped but Ryul2 morphing almost all his anti-air letting vikings kill a lot of the broodlords.
Flash's multi-tasking and army control are not really top class yet. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Gumiho-Soulkey though
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Flash needs to drop more :[
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Flash needs to expand now. He's denying Ryul2 though. Man, I'm still a little invigorated from the WCS matches. Soulkey was a glimpse of the potential of the Kespa pros.
On topic, glad to see Best advanced.
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On August 07 2012 22:09 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:08 Asha` wrote:
Man that was kinda sloppy.
Flash getting almost everything fungal raped but Ryul2 morphing almost all his anti-air letting vikings kill a lot of the broodlords. Flash's multi-tasking and army control are not really top class yet. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Gumiho-Soulkey though
Gumiho's control is anything but top class tbh, he is the fastest multitasker but also the sloppiest, it is known.
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Nice concave by those vikings.
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Flash doesn't need micro and multitasking if he just expands more his macro will just kill his opponents .
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On August 07 2012 22:07 AXygnus wrote:
Flash is dead. Ultralisks incoming, few tanks, all marines and vikings.
... What the.
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Ryul2 threw away too many lings...
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Flash overpowered him through sheer attrition. Needs to improve his control though.
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Flash's problem seems to be that he has BW syndrome and thinks he can just win by powering his economy and beating Zerg in head to head battles. For someone who has the multi-tasking ability and unit control potential, he needs to really use it and make it easier on himself lol
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flash doesn't care, just A-move against fungals
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Somebody showing that you can actually spread units before you engage, revolutionary.
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On August 07 2012 22:09 bokchoi wrote:
Flash needs to drop more :[
Ye, gotta abuse them medivacs with multipronged drops. And he makes like 100 medivacs every game so he isn't short on them to say the least...
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Neither player looked especially impressive there, but good to see Flash winning anyway.
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On August 07 2012 22:10 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:09 Yello wrote:On August 07 2012 22:08 Asha` wrote:
Man that was kinda sloppy.
Flash getting almost everything fungal raped but Ryul2 morphing almost all his anti-air letting vikings kill a lot of the broodlords. Flash's multi-tasking and army control are not really top class yet. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Gumiho-Soulkey though Gumiho's control is anything but top class tbh, he is the fastest multitasker but also the sloppiest, it is known.
Regarding army control Taeja might be the best currently.
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On August 07 2012 22:13 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:10 IshinShishi wrote:On August 07 2012 22:09 Yello wrote:On August 07 2012 22:08 Asha` wrote:
Man that was kinda sloppy.
Flash getting almost everything fungal raped but Ryul2 morphing almost all his anti-air letting vikings kill a lot of the broodlords. Flash's multi-tasking and army control are not really top class yet. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Gumiho-Soulkey though Gumiho's control is anything but top class tbh, he is the fastest multitasker but also the sloppiest, it is known. Regarding army control Taeja might be the best currently.
Byun, also Polt.
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On August 07 2012 22:13 Gosi wrote:Ye, gotta abuse them medivacs with multipronged drops. And he makes like 100 medivacs every game so he isn't short on them to say the least...
mkp doesn't drop very much either though
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On August 07 2012 22:13 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:10 IshinShishi wrote:On August 07 2012 22:09 Yello wrote:On August 07 2012 22:08 Asha` wrote:
Man that was kinda sloppy.
Flash getting almost everything fungal raped but Ryul2 morphing almost all his anti-air letting vikings kill a lot of the broodlords. Flash's multi-tasking and army control are not really top class yet. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Gumiho-Soulkey though Gumiho's control is anything but top class tbh, he is the fastest multitasker but also the sloppiest, it is known. Regarding army control Taeja might be the best currently.
In terms of JUST army control I would go with MKP but in terms of in game sense and decision making I would go with Taeja.
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On August 07 2012 22:13 Gosi wrote:Ye, gotta abuse them medivacs with multipronged drops. And he makes like 100 medivacs every game so he isn't short on them to say the least...
Or we could just tell Bisu to switch to Terran and do that instead. :p
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On August 07 2012 22:13 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:13 Sandermatt wrote:On August 07 2012 22:10 IshinShishi wrote:On August 07 2012 22:09 Yello wrote:On August 07 2012 22:08 Asha` wrote:
Man that was kinda sloppy.
Flash getting almost everything fungal raped but Ryul2 morphing almost all his anti-air letting vikings kill a lot of the broodlords. Flash's multi-tasking and army control are not really top class yet. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Gumiho-Soulkey though Gumiho's control is anything but top class tbh, he is the fastest multitasker but also the sloppiest, it is known. Regarding army control Taeja might be the best currently. Byun, also Polt.
Taeja has better tvp control imo But as for TvZ and TvT im not to sure about taeja being better
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On August 07 2012 22:13 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:13 Sandermatt wrote:On August 07 2012 22:10 IshinShishi wrote:On August 07 2012 22:09 Yello wrote:On August 07 2012 22:08 Asha` wrote:
Man that was kinda sloppy.
Flash getting almost everything fungal raped but Ryul2 morphing almost all his anti-air letting vikings kill a lot of the broodlords. Flash's multi-tasking and army control are not really top class yet. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Gumiho-Soulkey though Gumiho's control is anything but top class tbh, he is the fastest multitasker but also the sloppiest, it is known. Regarding army control Taeja might be the best currently. Byun, also Polt.
MKP.
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On August 07 2012 22:14 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:13 Gosi wrote:On August 07 2012 22:09 bokchoi wrote:
Flash needs to drop more :[ Ye, gotta abuse them medivacs with multipronged drops. And he makes like 100 medivacs every game so he isn't short on them to say the least... mkp doesn't drop very much either though
But he doesn't have that amazing multitask either but makes up for it with some batshit crazy micro and army control. And greed. ^^
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On August 07 2012 22:15 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:13 Gosi wrote:On August 07 2012 22:09 bokchoi wrote:
Flash needs to drop more :[ Ye, gotta abuse them medivacs with multipronged drops. And he makes like 100 medivacs every game so he isn't short on them to say the least... Or we could just tell Bisu to switch to Terran and do that instead. :p
Yep, I hope so. But we still have BaBy, propably up there with Bisu in multitask ability. Can't wait till the day BaBy start dropping like in BW. Gonna be sick.
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Even though it's much easier to macro in SC2 than it was in BW, Flash's macro still pretty much stands out.
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On August 07 2012 22:17 IdrA wrote:
comparing mkp to taeja is a ridiculous insult
wtf?!
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On August 07 2012 22:17 Kommander wrote:
Even though it's much easier to macro in SC2 than it was in BW, Flash's macro still pretty much stands out.
If Flash had BaBys enthusiasm and daring or if BaBy had Flashs mechanics/macro.. jesus. That'd be some scary shit.
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On August 07 2012 22:17 IdrA wrote:
comparing mkp to taeja is a ridiculous insult
i know right, mkp's only won about 5x as much as taeja has
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imma assume 2 is yi in korean, ryulyi
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Shaun Clark @ApolloSC2
Flash is still looking like the best BW>SC2 player atm... after his MLG tournament, he seems to be playing at a high level already
Greg Fields @idrajit
@ApolloSC2 and hes still so unrefined. fuckin scary.
Figured I'd put that here
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Ryul2 played fucking beautiful with Zerglings picking apart Flash's reinforcement and in the end still managed to lose. Wtf is this shit?
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that sick viking spread at the end won him the game
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On August 07 2012 22:20 Xiphos wrote:
Ryul2 played fucking beautiful with Zerglings picking apart Flash's reinforcement and in the end still managed to lose. Wtf is this shit?
Its Flash.
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On August 07 2012 22:15 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:13 IshinShishi wrote:On August 07 2012 22:13 Sandermatt wrote:On August 07 2012 22:10 IshinShishi wrote:On August 07 2012 22:09 Yello wrote:On August 07 2012 22:08 Asha` wrote:
Man that was kinda sloppy.
Flash getting almost everything fungal raped but Ryul2 morphing almost all his anti-air letting vikings kill a lot of the broodlords. Flash's multi-tasking and army control are not really top class yet. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Gumiho-Soulkey though Gumiho's control is anything but top class tbh, he is the fastest multitasker but also the sloppiest, it is known. Regarding army control Taeja might be the best currently. Byun, also Polt. MKP.
Byun and Polt still better, MKP has the best splits and on the spot army control, but his army movements aren't that good and that has to do with him playing as blind as possible, he ofttimes get his entire army caught in the middle of nowhere , but wins the battle anyways, unless he gets his army fungaled.Both Polt and Byun move their armies like true artists while still having good army control on the spot, with Polt being almost as good as mkp at splitting and dodging stuff.
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On August 07 2012 22:17 IdrA wrote:
comparing mkp to taeja is a ridiculous insult
i'm backing greg on this one.
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On August 07 2012 22:17 IdrA wrote:
comparing mkp to taeja is a ridiculous insult
Oh, Idra...
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On August 07 2012 22:20 QQSharp wrote:Show nested quote +Shaun Clark @ApolloSC2
Flash is still looking like the best BW>SC2 player atm... after his MLG tournament, he seems to be playing at a high level already Figured I'd put that here
Wow, Idra praising Flash.
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What's Nestea doing in bisang booth? lol
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On August 07 2012 22:20 Xiphos wrote:
Ryul2 played fucking beautiful with Zerglings picking apart Flash's reinforcement and in the end still managed to lose. Wtf is this shit?
Flash's macro was better, he kept Ryul2 on three bases for ages and Ryul2 threw away too many lings.
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On August 07 2012 22:21 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:20 Xiphos wrote:
Ryul2 played fucking beautiful with Zerglings picking apart Flash's reinforcement and in the end still managed to lose. Wtf is this shit? Its Flash.
Nah its Terran imbalance. Nerf those Vikings!
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I knew I wasn't the only one that thought he looked like Nestea :D
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On August 07 2012 22:23 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:20 Xiphos wrote:
Ryul2 played fucking beautiful with Zerglings picking apart Flash's reinforcement and in the end still managed to lose. Wtf is this shit? Flash's macro was better, he kept Ryul2 on three bases for ages and Ryul2 threw away too many lings.
His engagement was also better than most terrans manage, can't lose all your vikings to one fungal when you dont clump them.
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Bisang got completely rolled over.
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Yeaaaaaaaah....Bisang is pretty dead here.
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holy steamrolled, guess bisang nervous, they were mentioning he doesn't really have an official record so there isn't much information on him
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So it's Flash versus Last right? A TvT.
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Yeah. UFC commercials on OSL
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On August 07 2012 22:32 silent_owl wrote:
So it's Flash versus Last right? A TvT.
time to 14cc
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On August 07 2012 22:34 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:32 silent_owl wrote:
So it's Flash versus Last right? A TvT. time to 14cc
14 cc into mech into air terran. BELIEVE!
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what stream are u watching?.. the angle is so wierd on the Chease one.. but commentator on the english one is.. well..
arent there one like "official" korean?
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You'd just blind 2 rax flash right now, wouldnt ya? Mind you, he may throw a spanner in the works and not 14cc
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This is worth a smile.
+ Show Spoiler +Group B:
Z > T
P > T
P > Z
T > T
Group C
T > Z
T > P
T > T
P ? Z
Group C is Group B reversed.
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On August 07 2012 22:37 Meiffeltower wrote:
what stream are u watching?.. the angle is so wierd on the Chease one.. but commentator on the english one is.. well..
arent there one like "official" korean?
If you have VLC, go to the OP of this thread, copy the HD link and in VLC press ctrl + N and paste the link and you'll have 1080p korean.
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If the viewers don't go up in the next round of the star league I can see kespa dropping sc2 and focussing purely on LoL, cause their is like 4 people their rofl.
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On August 07 2012 22:37 Meiffeltower wrote:
what stream are u watching?.. the angle is so wierd on the Chease one.. but commentator on the english one is.. well..
arent there one like "official" korean?
man, read the first page of the post. It's right there (use VLC).
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On August 07 2012 22:38 Probe1 wrote:This is worth a smile. + Show Spoiler +Group B:
Z > T
P > T
P > Z
T > T
Group C
T > Z
T > P
T > T
P ? Z Group C is Group B reversed.
haha, interesting coincidence ;D
balance whiners gotta go home :p
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On August 07 2012 22:37 Pure-SC2 wrote:You'd just blind 2 rax flash right now, wouldnt ya? Mind you, he may throw a spanner in the works and not 14cc
Proxy marauder imo, better build.
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On August 07 2012 22:37 Pure-SC2 wrote:You'd just blind 2 rax flash right now, wouldnt ya? Mind you, he may throw a spanner in the works and not 14cc
Why risk it with a 2 rax when you can expand behind banshee harass and just tank push him? In his last two PL TvTs, he went pure bio after the 14cc and died to a standard tank push without stim.
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GO FLASH! TvT. This should be a long game.
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On August 07 2012 22:40 silent_owl wrote:
GO FLASH! TvT. This should be a long game.
Mech v Mech pls D:
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On August 07 2012 22:39 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:37 Pure-SC2 wrote:You'd just blind 2 rax flash right now, wouldnt ya? Mind you, he may throw a spanner in the works and not 14cc Proxy marauder imo, better build.
if clide beat some sense into him he'd just do a rax opening rather than 14cc
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On August 07 2012 22:40 silent_owl wrote:
GO FLASH! TvT. This should be a long game.
Depends if Flash gets punished for his ultra greed.
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On August 07 2012 22:43 opterown wrote:
lol 14cc from light not flash
last :/
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Holy shit flash built a rax!
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aw, would have liked to see the bunker work haha
On August 07 2012 22:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:last :/
oops lol
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Flash with a big departure from basically every TvT we've seen from him.
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On August 07 2012 22:44 Sp00ly wrote:
Holy shit flash built a rax!
flash admits clide is good enough to teach him..
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last getting combat shields first
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On August 07 2012 22:41 Skytt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:40 silent_owl wrote:
GO FLASH! TvT. This should be a long game. Mech v Mech pls D:
You're half right it seems.
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I'm scared for some reason.
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Flash meching
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I hope Flash doesn't make the same mistake that MVP did and upgrade siege to late .
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Lol at that bio push by Last. Those hellions gonna clean up fast.
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there are more hellions than marines out on the field O_o
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Flash will control the sky. If he doesn't push out to soon this looks good
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Flash needs anti-air to defend drops.
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last got rolled in that last battle
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Last wins the award for the most random depot wall
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wow that was fast. gg flash!!
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Last definitely did not prepare for mech
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Well that didn't go so well for Last!
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fuck yeahhhh flashhhhhhhhh
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lol that was way too easy
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well, crowd is slightly larger than previous weeks... lol sigh
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On August 07 2012 22:51 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Flash will control the sky. If he doesn't push out to soon this looks good
Or he could just push out and roll him.
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That was pretty boring hah.
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On August 07 2012 22:48 raga4ka wrote:
I hope Flash doesn't make the same mistake that MVP did and upgrade siege to late .
Heh, very similar but Last didn't try to hit Polt's timing.
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Currently Qualified:
7 Protoss
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2 Zerg
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rofl there are like 5 people in the audience. Swich back to bw ffs.
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How many people were in the studio? 5? 6?
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Whoah. That arena is totally empty.
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Sad that it's such a small crowd. Sucks for the players. Are the fans that bitter?
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First sc2 osl champion i believe!
Question since this is sc2 does royal roader exist?
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On August 07 2012 22:53 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Sad that it's such a small crowd. Sucks for the players. Are the fans that bitter?
They need to play at Mokdong.:D
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JangBi, Fantasy, Oz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTea, Flying, By.Sun, BeSt, BaBy, Flash
for RO16 so far, one more to go
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The Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiide Effect
Expect Flash to become more and more God-like by the day
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Looks like Clide is turning Flash into a really good sc2 player.
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On August 07 2012 22:53 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Sad that it's such a small crowd. Sucks for the players. Are the fans that bitter?
yes, we are.
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On August 07 2012 22:54 opterown wrote:JangBi, Fantasy, Oz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTea, Flying, By.Sun, best, BaBy, Flashfor RO16 so far, one more to go
when does it start?
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On August 07 2012 22:54 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:53 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Sad that it's such a small crowd. Sucks for the players. Are the fans that bitter? They need to play at Mokdong.:D
I'm curious as to why the Mokdong crowd don't head over there (though there were WCS games tonight). I have no idea where the studios are in relation to each other though
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So few ppl. Even with Flash playing.
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It's getting pretty late in korea, like 11pm already, not surprised most have gone home since it's a weekday
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I don't understand why the gom studio is almost always packed, and ogn's is always empty
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On August 07 2012 22:54 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:53 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Sad that it's such a small crowd. Sucks for the players. Are the fans that bitter? They need to play at Mokdong.:D
well mokdong studio creates the illusion that there are many fans, but really the studio can only fit like 50-60 people.
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On August 07 2012 22:53 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Sad that it's such a small crowd. Sucks for the players. Are the fans that bitter?
Maybe, but what I don't get is that there should be sc2 spectators, and some Flash's fans. Why is it that empty :-/
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On August 07 2012 22:54 Pure-SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:54 Wildmoon wrote:On August 07 2012 22:53 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Sad that it's such a small crowd. Sucks for the players. Are the fans that bitter? They need to play at Mokdong.:D I'm curious as to why the Mokdong crowd don't head over there (though there were WCS games tonight). I have no idea where the studios are in relation to each other though
SC2 fans hate BW studio? just kidding.
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FLASH!
This will be the best RO16 of any tournament in SC2 history. 10 GSL Golds, 5 runner ups, five Brood war OSL golds and five runner ups.
My goodness, so sick.
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Man, this OSL could make the players just want to outright retire. What is happening? At least the GSL is pulling crowds.
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On August 07 2012 22:54 SenorChang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:54 opterown wrote:JangBi, Fantasy, Oz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTea, Flying, By.Sun, best, BaBy, Flashfor RO16 so far, one more to go when does it start?
group selection next tues, ro16 day 1 the next tues after that. gonna take a while to get through this season haha
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Are ODT's always that empty? :|
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On August 07 2012 22:53 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Sad that it's such a small crowd. Sucks for the players. Are the fans that bitter?
On August 07 2012 22:53 kusto wrote:
How many people were in the studio? 5? 6?
Somethings to consider, the jaded BW fanbase, the SC2 fanbase that doesn't see KeSPA players at the eSF players level, WCS games today at GOM/Mokdong, and its almost 11pm on a weekday.
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On August 07 2012 22:55 silent_owl wrote:
Man, this OSL could make the players just want to outright retire. What is happening? At least the GSL is pulling crowds.
They are? I guess you can call 50 people a crowd but..
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On August 07 2012 22:55 aeN wrote:I don't understand why the gom studio is almost always packed, and ogn's is always empty
The GOM studio is meant to be somewhere thats pretty out of the way too according to an interview with Mr Chae. Yet the OGN studio was dead even when MVP and DRG were playing, and there was no GSL on that day.
Maybe its just because it's only qualifiers?
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On August 07 2012 22:53 bokchoi wrote:
Currently Qualified:
7 Protoss
6 Terran
2 Zerg
clearly jerk up amirite? D:
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Get these kespa players to some overseas events so they can get some love. Don't hide them away in a empty studio like this.
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On August 07 2012 22:56 Kommander wrote:
Are ODT's always that empty? :|
yeah they are but not this empty..
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ick two zergs so far, bad racial balance =/
who's best out of the final 3?
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On August 07 2012 22:54 opterown wrote:JangBi, Fantasy, Oz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTea, Flying, By.Sun, best, BaBy, Flashfor RO16 so far, one more to go
It's looking like a good Ro16, maybe a little zerg light but good players. Does anyone know what format the Ro16 is? Is it just single elim bracket from now or is there another group stage like the last OSL Ro16?
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On August 07 2012 22:57 opterown wrote:
ick two zergs so far, bad racial balance =/
who's best out of the final 3?
From what we've seen thusfar, probably Last. But Bisang could prove to be surprising.
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On August 07 2012 22:57 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:54 opterown wrote:JangBi, Fantasy, Oz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTea, Flying, By.Sun, best, BaBy, Flashfor RO16 so far, one more to go It's looking like a good Ro16, maybe a little zerg light but good players. Does anyone know what format the Ro16 is? Is it just single elim bracket from now or is there another group stage like the last OSL Ro16?
ro16 is usually bo1 everyone plays each other i think, with top2 advancing, then ro8 onwards is single elim
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If one of the big name kespa players could somehow post some great results in a tournament it would really help boost SC2's popularity in Korea to another level. I'm sure they'll get there eventually.
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On August 07 2012 22:54 opterown wrote:JangBi, Fantasy, Oz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTea, Flying, By.Sun, BeSt, BaBy, Flashfor RO16 so far, one more to go
and flash is underdog against more than half of these players, who'd have thought this can be in OSL :-))))))))))
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Maybe some BW fans are bitter, but I'll bet most have given SC2 a chance, at least in terms of spectating. Perhaps they just don't find it interesting or entertaining, even with their BW heroes playing it.
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On August 07 2012 22:58 WrexSC2 wrote:
If one of the big name kespa players could somehow post some great results in a tournament it would really help boost SC2's popularity in Korea to another level. I'm sure they'll get there eventually.
yeah i hope at least flash or jangbi can reallyyy rip up their groups and go deep, maybe a finals appearance at least. even if they have to beat my fav players, it would be better for the game in the long run i think if a kespa fan favourite does really well
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On August 07 2012 22:56 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:55 silent_owl wrote:
Man, this OSL could make the players just want to outright retire. What is happening? At least the GSL is pulling crowds. They are? I guess you can call 50 people a crowd but..
I know that the GSL pulls more than 50 during at least Finals series and special events.
I don't expect any of these tournaments to draw the crowds that BW used to pull or even that LOL is pulling now. Still, it depresses me that the BW fans wouldn't at least support the players. I mean, I'm not one to talk since I love SC2 but I know the players feel bad about the switch, they could use some support.
And to second the question, are ODT's always this empty? I highly doubt it though.
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On August 07 2012 22:59 Telcontar wrote:
Maybe some BW fans are bitter, but I'll bet most have given SC2 a chance, at least in terms of spectating. Perhaps they just don't find it interesting or entertaining, even with their BW heroes playing it.
Or maybe it's just a qualification tournament and it's 11pm and tomorrow is a work day.
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On August 07 2012 22:59 Telcontar wrote:
Maybe some BW fans are bitter, but I'll bet most have given SC2 a chance, at least in terms of spectating. Perhaps they just don't find it interesting or entertaining, even with their BW heroes playing it.
There are interviews with the OSL casters where they say that a lot of the crowd care more about the players and less about the game, so with only one member of TBLS in this OSL that is surely contributing to low crowd numbers.
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On August 07 2012 23:00 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:59 Telcontar wrote:
Maybe some BW fans are bitter, but I'll bet most have given SC2 a chance, at least in terms of spectating. Perhaps they just don't find it interesting or entertaining, even with their BW heroes playing it. Or maybe it's just a qualification tournament and it's 11pm and tomorrow is a work day.
It's the summer holidays. If fans wanted to be there, they would, since most are teens.
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i think everyone is over reacting a little bit. it is still very early days for OGN in sc2, people aren't really used to it yet, and there are so many sc2 tournaments on at the moment, but there was only one place to go for bw, thats why the crowd is so different.
i am sure with time things will even out alot more, with proleague finishing etc. i do expect some players to quit, maybe leave teams and join sc2 teams, mergers etc. the scene has to change quite a bit. Right now no one knows quite what to think.
especially since Kespa and non-kespa still are seperated most of the time, still very segmented.
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Also factor in that many fans may just be tired of Starcraft, and now when their BW is gone they have no reason to actually follow it anymore. I think this is why LoL blew up so hard in Korea tbh. A new game, a fresh new start, kinda. Also because everyone can play it, it's social if you play it with friends etc etc. RTS is kinda fading away, just like the more competitive FPS games.
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i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm
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Looks like the favorites to win DRG, MC, and MKP. MVP isn't looking too good lately, and neither is Nestea. I don't see any of the Kespa players having a chance. Oz could be a surprise also.
I don't see the Kespa players being competitive as a whole for another 6+ months at least.
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On August 07 2012 23:00 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:56 Probe1 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:55 silent_owl wrote:
Man, this OSL could make the players just want to outright retire. What is happening? At least the GSL is pulling crowds. They are? I guess you can call 50 people a crowd but.. I know that the GSL pulls more than 50 during at least Finals series and special events. I don't expect any of these tournaments to draw the crowds that BW used to pull or even that LOL is pulling now. Still, it depresses me that the BW fans wouldn't at least support the players. I mean, I'm not one to talk since I love SC2 but I know the players feel bad about the switch, they could use some support. And to second the question, are ODT's always this empty? I highly doubt it though.
Well, GOM studio in Mok Dong only holds about 50 people. And during Code A the studio is frequently unfilled. Since this is just an extension to the prelims I guess I'm not surprised at all that it isn't filled. Come time for the actual tournament to begin I think there will be bigger crowds.
Edit: And ofc there are more than 50 people at the Finals. But that's not what we're discussing ^_^
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On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote:
i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm
It wouldn't surprise me if they invited a few Kespa players to the next GSL. I doubt they would do something like OSL with the split tournament till Ro16.
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i heard "cannon rush" haha
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On August 07 2012 23:04 Wegandi wrote:
Looks like the favorites to win DRG, MC, and MKP. MVP isn't looking too good lately, and neither is Nestea. I don't see any of the Kespa players having a chance. Oz could be a surprise also.
I don't see the Kespa players being competitive as a whole for another 6+ months at least.
MKP doesn't look that good lately too.
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On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote:
i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm
yeah i have been wondering the same thing, and although i do agree for now, given they have only been playing for a few months, Kespa players shouldnt be given unfair advantages all of the time. In future i hope they have to fight alongside everyone else for spots and in tournaments.
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On August 07 2012 23:04 Wegandi wrote:
Looks like the favorites to win DRG, MC, and MKP. MVP isn't looking too good lately, and neither is Nestea. I don't see any of the Kespa players having a chance. Oz could be a surprise also.
I don't see the Kespa players being competitive as a whole for another 6+ months at least.
MC winning the first OSL would be beautiful, same for MVP.
I don't think the Kespa players will take as long as 6 months to competitive, maybe to reach Code S/OSL winner levels, but I think they will start taking games from Code S players soon and we could see a few reach the next Code A. That's another benefit of the double elim format in the WCS for them.
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actually i wouldn't mind gom throwing a few kespa players into the up/downs maybe (2 ish) and maybe 2-4 spots for code A hrmm. we need sc2 fans to build an attachment to these new guys too, and for their fans to see them play sc2 and hopefully support them a bit more
On August 07 2012 23:07 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:04 Wegandi wrote:
Looks like the favorites to win DRG, MC, and MKP. MVP isn't looking too good lately, and neither is Nestea. I don't see any of the Kespa players having a chance. Oz could be a surprise also.
I don't see the Kespa players being competitive as a whole for another 6+ months at least. MKP doesn't look that good lately too.
not world dominating shape like he was half a year ago, but still very good and topx terran for sure
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On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote:
i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm
I don't see the need for it. A couple of Kespa players made it through the WCS qualifiers and those were harder than the Code A qualifiers. While the Code A qualies are still brutal it's not quite the same degree as they used to be when half the best players were still outside the GSL, and you see several people who might not really be on that kind of level make it in off an easy draw the last few seasons.
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On August 07 2012 23:07 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:04 Wegandi wrote:
Looks like the favorites to win DRG, MC, and MKP. MVP isn't looking too good lately, and neither is Nestea. I don't see any of the Kespa players having a chance. Oz could be a surprise also.
I don't see the Kespa players being competitive as a whole for another 6+ months at least. MKP doesn't look that good lately too.
Neither does DRG. MC is probably the best player in the tournament, but with Bo1 groupstages, it's difficult to say what will happen. Especially in PvPs.
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On August 07 2012 22:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:yeah they are but not this empty..
I remember the game Leta vs Violet where Leta used Ghost and everything @ ODT, studio was still packed.
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I wasn't watching that close, Stargate into 7gate w/o twilight council?
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On August 07 2012 23:10 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote:
i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm I don't see the need for it. A couple of Kespa players made it through the WCS qualifiers and those were harder than the Code A qualifiers. While the Code A qualies are still brutal it's not quite the same degree as they used to be when half the best players were still outside the GSL, and you see plenty of people make it in off an easy draw the last few seasons.
Exactly, the Code B qualifiers are nothing new to them either because of their experiance of the OSL prelims, the only thing that should be holding the majority of them back is their skill level and it wont be long before they can beat Code A players.
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well, ryul2 vs last again!
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Anyone wondering how long it will take for kespa players to be competitive should watch Gumiho vs Soulkey that happened tonight in the WCS.
Soulkey really played like a boss vs one of the very best terrans going around at the moment, it was really impressive despite what the result says, really great games.
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On August 07 2012 23:13 opterown wrote:
well, ryul2 vs last again!
We haven't seen Ryul2 vs Last yet =p
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On August 07 2012 23:13 Skytt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:10 Asha` wrote:On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote:
i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm I don't see the need for it. A couple of Kespa players made it through the WCS qualifiers and those were harder than the Code A qualifiers. While the Code A qualies are still brutal it's not quite the same degree as they used to be when half the best players were still outside the GSL, and you see plenty of people make it in off an easy draw the last few seasons. Exactly, the Code B qualifiers are nothing new to them either because of their experiance of the OSL prelims, the only thing that should be holding the majority of them back is their skill level and it wont be long before they can beat Code A players.
It depends how fast GOM wants Kespa players to get to Code S. Because if all Kespa players need to go through code B, only a small amount will make it (currently) and they can get taken out in first round and go back to Code B again. But who knows, the next GSL is still 1 more month away due to WCS so the Kespa players will get more time.
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Kespa players need that round of proleague to finish already, coz even if they do not put too much effort in BW, they surely still get distracted there and one cannot fully commit to sc2 with BW hanging over his head
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On August 07 2012 23:15 Asha` wrote:We haven't seen Ryul2 vs Last yet =p
crap second big mistake today zzzzz tyty i need to get some sleep lol
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On August 07 2012 23:16 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:13 Skytt wrote:On August 07 2012 23:10 Asha` wrote:On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote:
i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm I don't see the need for it. A couple of Kespa players made it through the WCS qualifiers and those were harder than the Code A qualifiers. While the Code A qualies are still brutal it's not quite the same degree as they used to be when half the best players were still outside the GSL, and you see plenty of people make it in off an easy draw the last few seasons. Exactly, the Code B qualifiers are nothing new to them either because of their experiance of the OSL prelims, the only thing that should be holding the majority of them back is their skill level and it wont be long before they can beat Code A players. It depends how fast GOM wants Kespa players to get to Code S. Because if all Kespa players need to go through code B, only a small amount will make it (currently) and they can get taken out in first round and go back to Code B again. But who knows, the next GSL is still 1 more month away due to WCS so the Kespa players will get more time.
the up/downs for season 4 start on the 27th, not that far away. i expect prelims to be early september?
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On August 07 2012 23:17 M2 wrote:
Kespa players need that round of proleague to finish already, coz even if they do not put too much effort in BW, they surely still get distracted there and one cannot fully commit to sc2 with BW hanging over his head
It will be a sad day when that round is over, but now that the OSL is done BW is only hindering the players from competing with everyone, they are still improving at a decent rate and that'll only quicken when they don't have thier attention divided between the two
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On August 07 2012 23:19 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:16 vthree wrote:On August 07 2012 23:13 Skytt wrote:On August 07 2012 23:10 Asha` wrote:On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote:
i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm I don't see the need for it. A couple of Kespa players made it through the WCS qualifiers and those were harder than the Code A qualifiers. While the Code A qualies are still brutal it's not quite the same degree as they used to be when half the best players were still outside the GSL, and you see plenty of people make it in off an easy draw the last few seasons. Exactly, the Code B qualifiers are nothing new to them either because of their experiance of the OSL prelims, the only thing that should be holding the majority of them back is their skill level and it wont be long before they can beat Code A players. It depends how fast GOM wants Kespa players to get to Code S. Because if all Kespa players need to go through code B, only a small amount will make it (currently) and they can get taken out in first round and go back to Code B again. But who knows, the next GSL is still 1 more month away due to WCS so the Kespa players will get more time. the up/downs for season 4 start on the 27th, not that far away. i expect prelims to be early september?
Are they not usually the weekend after up/downs are done?
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I think the Kespa teams are already commiting mostly to sc2 and scooting by with preexisting bw knowledge for BW component.
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On August 07 2012 23:23 BlindKill wrote:
I think the Kespa teams are already commiting mostly to sc2 and scooting by with preexisting bw knowledge for BW component.
Tell that to Bisu
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On August 07 2012 23:22 Skytt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:19 opterown wrote:On August 07 2012 23:16 vthree wrote:On August 07 2012 23:13 Skytt wrote:On August 07 2012 23:10 Asha` wrote:On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote:
i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm I don't see the need for it. A couple of Kespa players made it through the WCS qualifiers and those were harder than the Code A qualifiers. While the Code A qualies are still brutal it's not quite the same degree as they used to be when half the best players were still outside the GSL, and you see plenty of people make it in off an easy draw the last few seasons. Exactly, the Code B qualifiers are nothing new to them either because of their experiance of the OSL prelims, the only thing that should be holding the majority of them back is their skill level and it wont be long before they can beat Code A players. It depends how fast GOM wants Kespa players to get to Code S. Because if all Kespa players need to go through code B, only a small amount will make it (currently) and they can get taken out in first round and go back to Code B again. But who knows, the next GSL is still 1 more month away due to WCS so the Kespa players will get more time. the up/downs for season 4 start on the 27th, not that far away. i expect prelims to be early september? Are they not usually the weekend after up/downs are done?
yeah, up/downs are 27th-31st, so prelims likely to be sept 1-2 i guess, or maybe 8-9
the first code s games are on the 10th of september i think
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Wow I haven't seen a zerg get bunker rushed out of a game in a while.
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On August 07 2012 23:12 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:07 Wildmoon wrote:On August 07 2012 23:04 Wegandi wrote:
Looks like the favorites to win DRG, MC, and MKP. MVP isn't looking too good lately, and neither is Nestea. I don't see any of the Kespa players having a chance. Oz could be a surprise also.
I don't see the Kespa players being competitive as a whole for another 6+ months at least. MKP doesn't look that good lately too. Neither does DRG. MC is probably the best player in the tournament, but with Bo1 groupstages, it's difficult to say what will happen. Especially in PvPs.
MLG curse is very strong.... MKP managed to keep it at a respectable if inconsistent level after Winter, DRG might actually wish he never won Spring.
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that would've been a hard loss =/
gratz to last though!
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On August 07 2012 23:10 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote:
i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm I don't see the need for it. A couple of Kespa players made it through the WCS qualifiers and those were harder than the Code A qualifiers. While the Code A qualies are still brutal it's not quite the same degree as they used to be when half the best players were still outside the GSL, and you see several people who might not really be on that kind of level make it in off an easy draw the last few seasons.
only 1 kespa-player made it through the WCS without getting a seed and thats reality.
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On August 07 2012 23:24 Zer atai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:23 BlindKill wrote:
I think the Kespa teams are already commiting mostly to sc2 and scooting by with preexisting bw knowledge for BW component. Tell that to Bisu
I think Bisu's issue is that his style of play doesn't translate as well to SC2 Protoss. Maybe he can try the HerO drop harass style but is definitely hard to pull off.
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Last made this seem too easy. It makes me believe that ryul did some grave mistakes...
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Most of the Kespa Zergs seem to die really easily in early game, at least from the games that I've seen.
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On August 07 2012 23:31 ggrrg wrote:
Last made this seem too easy. It makes me believe that ryul did some grave mistakes...
Ryul thought the pressure was over and stopped producing units.
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On August 07 2012 23:31 whoso wrote:
im a bit worried. those seats in the audience werent empty during the bw era were they?
It's not the main tournament and almost midnight in Korea.
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BaBy was the only player to survive being in the Player 2 slot.
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soo, how does group selection work? what i've read sounds kinda complicated o.O especially with only 2 seeds this time?
edit: ah nvm, MSL is the complicated one haha
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On August 07 2012 23:30 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:10 Asha` wrote:On August 07 2012 23:03 opterown wrote:
i wonder if GOM will have kespa-specific code A spots for next season hrmm I don't see the need for it. A couple of Kespa players made it through the WCS qualifiers and those were harder than the Code A qualifiers. While the Code A qualies are still brutal it's not quite the same degree as they used to be when half the best players were still outside the GSL, and you see several people who might not really be on that kind of level make it in off an easy draw the last few seasons. only 1 kespa-player made it through the WCS without getting a seed and thats reality.
Most of the Kespa players lost to players who were either in code S or Code A so i am possitive that a decent number of Kespa players will make it .
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On August 07 2012 23:32 Raygun wrote:
Most of the Kespa Zergs seem to die really easily in early game, at least from the games that I've seen.
I think because you need a really good understanding as a zerg as to when to produce units and when to produce drones or tech. Your choice is really dependent on your opponent's actions. Whereas for terran/protoss, there are standard openings which you can basically follow that gets you to 2 base saturation and a decent size army. You might be slightly behind in macro since you didn't cut corners but you won't die outright to pushes.
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Whenever flash plays a GSL player I'm 90% sure he'll get cheesed
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Well that's what happens when you open 14cc every game lol.
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On August 07 2012 23:36 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:Whenever flash plays a GSL player I'm 90% sure he'll get cheesed
I am not sure if he will get cheesed but he will likely die to some aggressive pushes because he plays really greedy right now.
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What day is the group selection ceremony? I haven't been able to watch in case they mentioned on the stream
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On August 07 2012 23:38 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:36 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:Whenever flash plays a GSL player I'm 90% sure he'll get cheesed I am not sure if he will get cheesed but he will likely die to some aggressive pushes because he plays really greedy right now.
I think that's smart for him at current stage. His advantage is mechanism in micro/macro, so he is better equipped to handle those high risk situations, however with current understanding and game decision it is not ideal for him to enter long term even games with GSL players.
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On August 07 2012 23:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What day is the group selection ceremony? I haven't been able to watch in case they mentioned on the stream
next tuesday i believe!
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As long as he can pull off a MarineKing (14cc > 6pool), he'll be fine. =P
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On August 07 2012 23:40 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What day is the group selection ceremony? I haven't been able to watch in case they mentioned on the stream next tuesday i believe!
The group selection is on August 21st as stated by the announcers at the end
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On August 07 2012 23:45 cmartin9 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:40 opterown wrote:On August 07 2012 23:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What day is the group selection ceremony? I haven't been able to watch in case they mentioned on the stream next tuesday i believe! The group selection is on August 21st as stated by the announcers at the end
oh really? damn sigh gg haha leveltory said group selection next week
한편, 차기 스타리그는 오는 14일(화) 16강 조지명식을 시작으로 21일(화)부터 시작된다.
they must be wrong haha, cheers though
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On August 07 2012 23:31 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:24 Zer atai wrote:On August 07 2012 23:23 BlindKill wrote:
I think the Kespa teams are already commiting mostly to sc2 and scooting by with preexisting bw knowledge for BW component. Tell that to Bisu I think Bisu's issue is that his style of play doesn't translate as well to SC2 Protoss. Maybe he can try the HerO drop harass style but is definitely hard to pull off.
From the little ive seen of Bisus SC2 it seems like he cant FF very well. Im specifically thinking of his game vs Moon where he made 14 sentries (way to many) and still somehow didnt get right FF. If he had better FF that game he takes it and Moon is playing like a high code A low code S player at the moment.
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On August 07 2012 23:40 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:38 vthree wrote:On August 07 2012 23:36 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:Whenever flash plays a GSL player I'm 90% sure he'll get cheesed I am not sure if he will get cheesed but he will likely die to some aggressive pushes because he plays really greedy right now. I think that's smart for him at current stage. His advantage is mechanism in micro/macro, so he is better equipped to handle those high risk situations, however with current understanding and game decision it is not ideal for him to enter long term even games with GSL players.
Not sure because he hasn't played GSL players yet. But in PL, he has been punished several times for his greedy builds.
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Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact.
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Kespa has so many Terran lol. Kespa Terran are gonna carry GSL Terran.
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On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact.
GSL finals (not sure of the numbers) can definitely fill large venues though. Not sure if comparable to OSL finals or not though
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terran good race
for kespa
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JangBi, Fantasy
Oz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTea
Flying, By.Sun, BeSt, BaBy, Flash, Last
are our RO16 players! sad for zerg =/
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On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact.
original sc1 was not popular, same thing will happen, when LoTv comes, sc2 will become fairly successful
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On August 07 2012 23:55 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. GSL finals (not sure of the numbers) can definitely fill large venues though. Not sure if comparable to OSL finals or not though
You know much more than me, but I think GSL finals are normally in that small concert hall and it can fill only hundreds of people. It got packed, but it's actually not that big. The Busan beach also doesn't have that many people if you watch closely. The empty seats that Seed's window reflects are filled later on but that's the front rows. From pictures around the net, there are tons of empty seats in the back behind casters' stages.
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On August 07 2012 23:59 opterown wrote:JangBi, FantasyOz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTeaFlying, By.Sun, BeSt, BaBy, Flash, Last are our RO16 players! sad for zerg =/
I expected them to doing a way better :o
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On August 07 2012 23:59 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. original sc1 was not popular, same thing will happen, when LoTv comes, sc2 will become fairly successful
But if you watch sc1 in 2000 or 2001, there were much more people watching. And that's the first two years of sc1. This "thing will grow" reason has been repeatedly put out and I just want to say it's a wrong argument. SC1 was already very popular in the beginning.
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On August 07 2012 23:59 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. original sc1 was not popular, same thing will happen, when LoTv comes, sc2 will become fairly successful
How do you figure that. That's a very selective interpretation of the events that happened.
You're just saying that everyone is waiting on SC2 to be balanced and complete but Brood War was available worldwide within 12 months of Starcrafts release and didn't drastically change through balance patches ever.
There's no sense in arguing over something neither of us can predict but I doubt SC2 will be any more successful than it already is.
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just like bw, flash is dominant. I predict flash to win this tournament not only over the kespa players, but over the gsl players as well.
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On August 08 2012 00:01 larse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:55 opterown wrote:On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. GSL finals (not sure of the numbers) can definitely fill large venues though. Not sure if comparable to OSL finals or not though You know much more than me, but I think GSL finals are normally in that small concert hall and it can fill only hundreds of people. It got packed, but it's actually not that big. The Busan beach also doesn't have that many people if you watch closely. The empty seats that Seed's window reflects are filled later on but that's the front rows. From pictures around the net, there are tons of empty seats in the back behind casters' stages.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7Obhk.jpg)
this is smaller than some of the OSL pics i've seen, but it's not thattt bad turnout?
On August 08 2012 00:02 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:59 opterown wrote:JangBi, FantasyOz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTeaFlying, By.Sun, BeSt, BaBy, Flash, Last are our RO16 players! sad for zerg =/ I expected them to doing a way better :o
good for mkp yahh? :D
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Of course it's very good but it's not the same level
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On August 08 2012 00:16 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 00:01 larse wrote:On August 07 2012 23:55 opterown wrote:On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. GSL finals (not sure of the numbers) can definitely fill large venues though. Not sure if comparable to OSL finals or not though You know much more than me, but I think GSL finals are normally in that small concert hall and it can fill only hundreds of people. It got packed, but it's actually not that big. The Busan beach also doesn't have that many people if you watch closely. The empty seats that Seed's window reflects are filled later on but that's the front rows. From pictures around the net, there are tons of empty seats in the back behind casters' stages. this is smaller than some of the OSL pics i've seen, but it's not thattt bad turnout? Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 00:02 antilyon wrote:On August 07 2012 23:59 opterown wrote:JangBi, FantasyOz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTeaFlying, By.Sun, BeSt, BaBy, Flash, Last are our RO16 players! sad for zerg =/ I expected them to doing a way better :o good for mkp yahh? :D
If he can avoid DRG (funk not withstanding) he have as good a chance as any.
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I don't suppose VODs exist somewhere?
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On August 08 2012 00:23 Bibbit wrote:I don't suppose VODs exist somewhere?
might be on ooooophidian's stream i think (but they'll be with his commentary)
not sure how many o's there are either... lol
ah, here we go! http://www.twitch.tv/ooooophidian/b/327743560
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On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact.
If BW came out today it wouldn't be successful either. Of course SC2 isn't going to have an easy ride. What are you trying to say? "Shut it all down, let's play LoL"? It's been two years. That's not really very long at all.
and there aren't downvotes here, it's not reddit
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Haha thanks a lot. Here's hoping oooooetc is pretty okay !
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On August 08 2012 00:26 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. If BW came out today it wouldn't be successful either. Of course SC2 isn't going to have an easy ride. What are you trying to say? "Shut it all down, let's play LoL"? It's been two years. That's not really very long at all. and there aren't downvotes here, it's not reddit
there are actually some people who dont want sc2 to do well/smile deep inside when it doesn't do well....
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You guys mix up good will and fact again.
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Glad to see my predictions were pretty spot on
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On August 07 2012 23:59 opterown wrote:JangBi, FantasyOz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTeaFlying, By.Sun, BeSt, BaBy, Flash, Last are our RO16 players! sad for zerg =/
OP race, they said...
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On August 08 2012 00:26 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. If BW came out today it wouldn't be successful either. Of course SC2 isn't going to have an easy ride. What are you trying to say? "Shut it all down, let's play LoL"? It's been two years. That's not really very long at all.
Seems like that's happening in Korea.
On topic: yay Baby / Flash! (I expected Baby to 2-0, but good enough.)
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On August 08 2012 00:19 larse wrote:
Of course it's very good but it's not the same level
As much as I believe SC2 has a niche in Korea, I don't believe that it well get to BW level in terms of popularity either. I think that's also just because of the nature of gaming now. It becomes less about going to Net Cafes or PC Bangs (as they are called in Korea) with your friends and playing. Since everything is online, you play what you PERSONALLY want to play.
Plus, there is no doubt games like LoL and DOTA will be more popular because it still maintains that kind of group dynamic that kids during Boxer's era experienced when they went to PC Bangs to play group matches in Brood War.
Either way, I think GOM packs in enough crowds to at least inspire the players and draw marginal profits as well. I know there's a big chance that the OSL will never be what it used to but it could sure draw more than 5 or 6 people.
On a personal note, I don't care if SC2 competitions in Korea never draw the crowds that BW did in its heyday. I just want it to, at least, draw enough, especially in the face of more popular games like LoL and Dota to survive and thrive.
No hating here. OSL was great, I just think GSL can be its own thing, maybe not as big but at least a successful franchise somewhat.
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I think alot watch online these days comparatively.
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Will there be an official english stream for Ro16?
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On August 08 2012 01:05 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 00:19 larse wrote:
Of course it's very good but it's not the same level As much as I believe SC2 has a niche in Korea, I don't believe that it well get to BW level in terms of popularity either. I think that's also just because of the nature of gaming now. It becomes less about going to Net Cafes or PC Bangs (as they are called in Korea) with your friends and playing. Since everything is online, you play what you PERSONALLY want to play. Plus, there is no doubt games like LoL and DOTA will be more popular because it still maintains that kind of group dynamic that kids during Boxer's era experienced when they went to PC Bangs to play group matches in Brood War. Either way, I think GOM packs in enough crowds to at least inspire the players and draw marginal profits as well. I know there's a big chance that the OSL will never be what it used to but it could sure draw more than 5 or 6 people. On a personal note, I don't care if SC2 competitions in Korea never draw the crowds that BW did in its heyday. I just want it to, at least, draw enough, especially in the face of more popular games like LoL and Dota to survive and thrive. No hating here. OSL was great, I just think GSL can be its own thing, maybe not as big but at least a successful franchise somewhat.
Well there is a lot of life to be born from Starcraft II. They have two more expansions. If Blizzard supports it more in the future we have no idea how big Starcraft II will be. Kespa now supporting it and going to get bigger there plus with the SC:BW players playing it will cause more hype especially when Heart of the Swarm comes out.
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On August 08 2012 01:24 Coolness53 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 01:05 silent_owl wrote:On August 08 2012 00:19 larse wrote:
Of course it's very good but it's not the same level As much as I believe SC2 has a niche in Korea, I don't believe that it well get to BW level in terms of popularity either. I think that's also just because of the nature of gaming now. It becomes less about going to Net Cafes or PC Bangs (as they are called in Korea) with your friends and playing. Since everything is online, you play what you PERSONALLY want to play. Plus, there is no doubt games like LoL and DOTA will be more popular because it still maintains that kind of group dynamic that kids during Boxer's era experienced when they went to PC Bangs to play group matches in Brood War. Either way, I think GOM packs in enough crowds to at least inspire the players and draw marginal profits as well. I know there's a big chance that the OSL will never be what it used to but it could sure draw more than 5 or 6 people. On a personal note, I don't care if SC2 competitions in Korea never draw the crowds that BW did in its heyday. I just want it to, at least, draw enough, especially in the face of more popular games like LoL and Dota to survive and thrive. No hating here. OSL was great, I just think GSL can be its own thing, maybe not as big but at least a successful franchise somewhat. Well there is a lot of life to be born from Starcraft II. They have two more expansions. If Blizzard supports it more in the future we have no idea how big Starcraft II will be. Kespa now supporting it and going to get bigger there plus with the SC:BW players playing it will cause more hype especially when Heart of the Swarm comes out. Especially some people think LoL will be a fad. They feel that it is fun to play but not fun to watch. I tried myself an feel the same.
So the entire scene relies on Blizzard's life support.
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That's a lot of Protoss...glad Best made it though, I have three SKT players to cheer for in the ro16.
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On August 08 2012 00:43 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:59 opterown wrote:JangBi, FantasyOz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTeaFlying, By.Sun, BeSt, BaBy, Flash, Last are our RO16 players! sad for zerg =/ OP race, they said...
who, terran?
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only 2 zergs...this is like GSL season 1 all over again...=P
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The group nomination will be GSL players pickin on the Kespa players but at least it will be funny to see what they each have to say =).
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Why didn't you beat Best, Zero
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On August 07 2012 23:45 cmartin9 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 23:40 opterown wrote:On August 07 2012 23:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What day is the group selection ceremony? I haven't been able to watch in case they mentioned on the stream next tuesday i believe! The group selection is on August 21st as stated by the announcers at the end
ok thanks. Would have replied earlier but thunderstorms knocked out power again >.>
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On August 07 2012 22:57 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:54 opterown wrote:JangBi, Fantasy, Oz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTea, Flying, By.Sun, best, BaBy, Flashfor RO16 so far, one more to go It's looking like a good Ro16, maybe a little zerg light but good players. Does anyone know what format the Ro16 is? Is it just single elim bracket from now or is there another group stage like the last OSL Ro16?
Wait, did I miss Fantasy playing? Oh god. I missed Fantasy and Flash. Bring on the Ro16!
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Any vods to catch? Very interested in watching flash and best
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On August 08 2012 02:59 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:57 imallinson wrote:On August 07 2012 22:54 opterown wrote:JangBi, Fantasy, Oz, Mvp, DongRaeGu, San, PartinG, MC, MarineKing, NesTea, Flying, By.Sun, best, BaBy, Flashfor RO16 so far, one more to go It's looking like a good Ro16, maybe a little zerg light but good players. Does anyone know what format the Ro16 is? Is it just single elim bracket from now or is there another group stage like the last OSL Ro16? Wait, did I miss Fantasy playing? Oh god. I missed Fantasy and Flash. Bring on the Ro16!
No you didn't miss Fantasy. He and JangBi are seeded into ro16 from final.
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On August 08 2012 01:15 Pokebunny wrote:
Will there be an official english stream for Ro16?
Yes, according to Supernovamaniac it will likely be Doa and Moletrap. If there is no casting for some reason I'll do it again, but every indication is there will be an official English stream from OGN at http://www.twitch.tv/ogn_star2hd
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Somebody please PM link to VODs? I don't see them in the OP and I don't want to read through the thread because of spoilers.
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On August 08 2012 00:28 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 00:26 Redmark wrote:On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. If BW came out today it wouldn't be successful either. Of course SC2 isn't going to have an easy ride. What are you trying to say? "Shut it all down, let's play LoL"? It's been two years. That's not really very long at all. and there aren't downvotes here, it's not reddit there are actually some people who dont want sc2 to do well/smile deep inside when it doesn't do well....
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On August 08 2012 07:08 SlowBullets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 00:28 Jojo131 wrote:On August 08 2012 00:26 Redmark wrote:On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. If BW came out today it wouldn't be successful either. Of course SC2 isn't going to have an easy ride. What are you trying to say? "Shut it all down, let's play LoL"? It's been two years. That's not really very long at all. and there aren't downvotes here, it's not reddit there are actually some people who dont want sc2 to do well/smile deep inside when it doesn't do well....
why would you wish ill on sc2 though? makes little sense to be so vindictive
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On August 08 2012 07:15 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:08 SlowBullets wrote:On August 08 2012 00:28 Jojo131 wrote:On August 08 2012 00:26 Redmark wrote:On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. If BW came out today it wouldn't be successful either. Of course SC2 isn't going to have an easy ride. What are you trying to say? "Shut it all down, let's play LoL"? It's been two years. That's not really very long at all. and there aren't downvotes here, it's not reddit there are actually some people who dont want sc2 to do well/smile deep inside when it doesn't do well.... why would you wish ill on sc2 though? makes little sense to be so vindictive
Maybe they don't like the company that makes it anymore
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I think the most exciting thing about this OSL is seeing the intro that OGN does ^_^
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On August 08 2012 13:09 snafoo wrote:
I think the most exciting thing about this OSL is seeing the intro that OGN does ^_^
yup, i hope it's a good one!
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I cringe at the thought of Doa and Moletrap casting again. No, just no.
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On August 08 2012 08:39 dgwow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:15 opterown wrote:On August 08 2012 07:08 SlowBullets wrote:On August 08 2012 00:28 Jojo131 wrote:On August 08 2012 00:26 Redmark wrote:On August 07 2012 23:52 larse wrote:
Gomstudio is small so getting it pack is nothing. Also, Gomstudio is usually filled with 50% foreigners.
People are still in denial sc2 is as popular as bw or will be as popular as bw in Korea. When I post something about the fact that sc2 is not so popular in Korea and it may face severe problems after the transition. It will get downvoted to hell. People think sc2 can draw crowd like OSL finals. I just wanna say good will is simply not fact. If BW came out today it wouldn't be successful either. Of course SC2 isn't going to have an easy ride. What are you trying to say? "Shut it all down, let's play LoL"? It's been two years. That's not really very long at all. and there aren't downvotes here, it's not reddit there are actually some people who dont want sc2 to do well/smile deep inside when it doesn't do well.... why would you wish ill on sc2 though? makes little sense to be so vindictive Maybe they don't like the company that makes it anymore
They are just hateful and bitter people and blame it for the loss of BW
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VODS anyone? Please PM me if you know where they are or anything. There's nothing in the OP, nothing on the esportstv Youtube channel and I can't read through the thread or stuff will get spoiled.
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On August 08 2012 14:18 GolemMadness wrote:
VODS anyone? Please PM me if you know where they are or anything. There's nothing in the OP, nothing on the esportstv Youtube channel and I can't read through the thread or stuff will get spoiled.
Yeah, I myself am wondering WHERE DA VODS AT?
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So, this was Flash's first televised Star2 match, and there are only 24 pages comments? What am I missing here? I have been off the grid for 2 weeks, but... Why no fuzz?
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I would like to see brood war keep going alongside starcraft 2. Maybe Blizzard can patch brood war like tweak queens or a less commonly used unit to change up the meta game. I think brood war is still too good a game to just kill off.
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On August 09 2012 02:55 HowardRoark wrote:
So, this was Flash's first televised Star2 match, and there are only 24 pages comments? What am I missing here? I have been off the grid for 2 weeks, but... Why no fuzz?
He's been playing in Proleague for like 2 months?
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On August 09 2012 07:37 Nosforit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 02:55 HowardRoark wrote:
So, this was Flash's first televised Star2 match, and there are only 24 pages comments? What am I missing here? I have been off the grid for 2 weeks, but... Why no fuzz? He's been playing in Proleague for like 2 months?
So, does anyone stand a chance against him, or did everything go as the Elephant thread predicted?
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On August 10 2012 12:08 HowardRoark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 07:37 Nosforit wrote:On August 09 2012 02:55 HowardRoark wrote:
So, this was Flash's first televised Star2 match, and there are only 24 pages comments? What am I missing here? I have been off the grid for 2 weeks, but... Why no fuzz? He's been playing in Proleague for like 2 months? So, does anyone stand a chance against him, or did everything go as the Elephant thread predicted?
Flash hasn't been doing so hot in sc2 in proleague lately.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/424_Flash/games
Not counting the MLG invitational tournament he is 4-7 in proleague (sc2 only I am not counting bw).
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