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Thanks blizzard . The Wcs is an awesome tournament. We should give blizzard some love
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On July 29 2012 08:53 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:52 Talin wrote:On July 29 2012 08:49 VikingKong wrote:On July 29 2012 08:47 Saber_Rider wrote:On July 29 2012 08:43 leveller wrote:On July 29 2012 08:41 Saber_Rider wrote:Gotta love that u can win 3 games lose 3 games n still lose the series...extended only makes sense if u face a player who beat u once before...what's up with america n these extended series? Anyways ThorZain is again showing the best foreign terran!  what are you talking about? First of all, this is in sweden not america lol, second that just how a double elimination tournament works, everyone gets an extra life, thorzain still had his so he could afford to drop a series Well Blizzard is an american based company and I am pretty sure they were at least part of the decision to use these rules...Yepp I kno that is how it works and this final was amazing but it still lame to have a final where u start with such an advantage! U don't see an ordinary sports league do this...why? Cuase it would kinda kill a lot of the hype You think that ordinary sports don't use double elimination? Wow. Just wow. This wasn't even extended series. If anything, this is an argument FOR extended series. Which ordinary sports use double elimination? There might be some obscure ones that do, but it doesn't come even close to being a recognized standard anywhere that actually matters. It's just messy, unelegant, and produces awkward scenarios. Football (soccer) does no? The most popular sport in the world. At least they did in the euro's
No, they didn´t. That was a group stage and after this single elimination.
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On July 29 2012 08:53 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:52 Talin wrote:On July 29 2012 08:49 VikingKong wrote:On July 29 2012 08:47 Saber_Rider wrote:On July 29 2012 08:43 leveller wrote:On July 29 2012 08:41 Saber_Rider wrote:Gotta love that u can win 3 games lose 3 games n still lose the series...extended only makes sense if u face a player who beat u once before...what's up with america n these extended series? Anyways ThorZain is again showing the best foreign terran! what are you talking about? First of all, this is in sweden not america lol, second that just how a double elimination tournament works, everyone gets an extra life, thorzain still had his so he could afford to drop a series Well Blizzard is an american based company and I am pretty sure they were at least part of the decision to use these rules...Yepp I kno that is how it works and this final was amazing but it still lame to have a final where u start with such an advantage! U don't see an ordinary sports league do this...why? Cuase it would kinda kill a lot of the hype You think that ordinary sports don't use double elimination? Wow. Just wow. This wasn't even extended series. If anything, this is an argument FOR extended series. Which ordinary sports use double elimination? There might be some obscure ones that do, but it doesn't come even close to being a recognized standard anywhere that actually matters. It's just messy, unelegant, and produces awkward scenarios. Football (soccer) does no? The most popular sport in the world. At least they did in the euro's
what are you smoking dude?
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Are people really complaining about double elim? You realize, even without double elim, Thorzain would have won because SortOf lost to naniwa earlier in the tournament right? And Thorzain won the winners bracket, which would have been the whole tournament.
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On July 29 2012 08:55 jnd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:54 aTnClouD wrote:On July 29 2012 08:53 Reaps wrote:On July 29 2012 08:52 Talin wrote:On July 29 2012 08:49 VikingKong wrote:On July 29 2012 08:47 Saber_Rider wrote:On July 29 2012 08:43 leveller wrote:On July 29 2012 08:41 Saber_Rider wrote:Gotta love that u can win 3 games lose 3 games n still lose the series...extended only makes sense if u face a player who beat u once before...what's up with america n these extended series? Anyways ThorZain is again showing the best foreign terran! what are you talking about? First of all, this is in sweden not america lol, second that just how a double elimination tournament works, everyone gets an extra life, thorzain still had his so he could afford to drop a series Well Blizzard is an american based company and I am pretty sure they were at least part of the decision to use these rules...Yepp I kno that is how it works and this final was amazing but it still lame to have a final where u start with such an advantage! U don't see an ordinary sports league do this...why? Cuase it would kinda kill a lot of the hype You think that ordinary sports don't use double elimination? Wow. Just wow. This wasn't even extended series. If anything, this is an argument FOR extended series. Which ordinary sports use double elimination? There might be some obscure ones that do, but it doesn't come even close to being a recognized standard anywhere that actually matters. It's just messy, unelegant, and produces awkward scenarios. Football (soccer) does no? The most popular sport in the world. At least they did in the euro's Starcraft games don't last 90 minutes. They do when played in Bo3 or longer series.
A bo3 lasting 90 minutes is rare enough to occur to justify double elimination in most tournaments. If football matches lasted less on average they would do it aswell.
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Pretty sure that the Euro's don't use extended series.
It is used almost exclusively for eSports competitions, but it makes sense, and if it wasn't here then SortOf wouldn't have had his epic run, and it pisses me off when people confuse it for extended series.
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On July 29 2012 08:53 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:52 Talin wrote:On July 29 2012 08:49 VikingKong wrote:On July 29 2012 08:47 Saber_Rider wrote:On July 29 2012 08:43 leveller wrote:On July 29 2012 08:41 Saber_Rider wrote:Gotta love that u can win 3 games lose 3 games n still lose the series...extended only makes sense if u face a player who beat u once before...what's up with america n these extended series? Anyways ThorZain is again showing the best foreign terran! what are you talking about? First of all, this is in sweden not america lol, second that just how a double elimination tournament works, everyone gets an extra life, thorzain still had his so he could afford to drop a series Well Blizzard is an american based company and I am pretty sure they were at least part of the decision to use these rules...Yepp I kno that is how it works and this final was amazing but it still lame to have a final where u start with such an advantage! U don't see an ordinary sports league do this...why? Cuase it would kinda kill a lot of the hype You think that ordinary sports don't use double elimination? Wow. Just wow. This wasn't even extended series. If anything, this is an argument FOR extended series. Which ordinary sports use double elimination? There might be some obscure ones that do, but it doesn't come even close to being a recognized standard anywhere that actually matters. It's just messy, unelegant, and produces awkward scenarios. Football (soccer) does no? The most popular sport in the world. At least they did in the euro's
I must be living in some parallel universe but I haven't seen a double elimination tournament in the last 10+ years I've been watching football, or heard about one in the history of the game.
And it most definitely didn't happen at the Euro, where 2 winners of each group advanced into what's a classic single elimination bracket.
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On July 29 2012 08:57 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:53 Reaps wrote:On July 29 2012 08:52 Talin wrote:On July 29 2012 08:49 VikingKong wrote:On July 29 2012 08:47 Saber_Rider wrote:On July 29 2012 08:43 leveller wrote:On July 29 2012 08:41 Saber_Rider wrote:Gotta love that u can win 3 games lose 3 games n still lose the series...extended only makes sense if u face a player who beat u once before...what's up with america n these extended series? Anyways ThorZain is again showing the best foreign terran! what are you talking about? First of all, this is in sweden not america lol, second that just how a double elimination tournament works, everyone gets an extra life, thorzain still had his so he could afford to drop a series Well Blizzard is an american based company and I am pretty sure they were at least part of the decision to use these rules...Yepp I kno that is how it works and this final was amazing but it still lame to have a final where u start with such an advantage! U don't see an ordinary sports league do this...why? Cuase it would kinda kill a lot of the hype You think that ordinary sports don't use double elimination? Wow. Just wow. This wasn't even extended series. If anything, this is an argument FOR extended series. Which ordinary sports use double elimination? There might be some obscure ones that do, but it doesn't come even close to being a recognized standard anywhere that actually matters. It's just messy, unelegant, and produces awkward scenarios. Football (soccer) does no? The most popular sport in the world. At least they did in the euro's I must be living in some parallel universe but I haven't seen a double elimination tournament in the last 10+ years I've been watching football, or heard about one in the history of the game. And it most definitely didn't happen at the Euro, where 2 winners of each group advanced into what's a classic single elimination bracket.
He's drunk don't mind him.
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On July 29 2012 08:53 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:52 Talin wrote:On July 29 2012 08:49 VikingKong wrote:On July 29 2012 08:47 Saber_Rider wrote:On July 29 2012 08:43 leveller wrote:On July 29 2012 08:41 Saber_Rider wrote:Gotta love that u can win 3 games lose 3 games n still lose the series...extended only makes sense if u face a player who beat u once before...what's up with america n these extended series? Anyways ThorZain is again showing the best foreign terran! what are you talking about? First of all, this is in sweden not america lol, second that just how a double elimination tournament works, everyone gets an extra life, thorzain still had his so he could afford to drop a series Well Blizzard is an american based company and I am pretty sure they were at least part of the decision to use these rules...Yepp I kno that is how it works and this final was amazing but it still lame to have a final where u start with such an advantage! U don't see an ordinary sports league do this...why? Cuase it would kinda kill a lot of the hype You think that ordinary sports don't use double elimination? Wow. Just wow. This wasn't even extended series. If anything, this is an argument FOR extended series. Which ordinary sports use double elimination? There might be some obscure ones that do, but it doesn't come even close to being a recognized standard anywhere that actually matters. It's just messy, unelegant, and produces awkward scenarios. Football (soccer) does no? The most popular sport in the world. At least they did in the euro's
the hell are you talking about -.-
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Congratulations to ThorZaIN, but I'm really happy that a new great talent like Sortof is becoming more famous.
As a side-note, Thorzain did face Sortof once before at the E-Sports SM final, which was one of the qualifier for WCS Sweden. Interesting tidibit is that the prize money for first place there was actually more than this event (10K vs. 6K).
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On July 29 2012 08:58 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:53 Reaps wrote:On July 29 2012 08:52 Talin wrote:On July 29 2012 08:49 VikingKong wrote:On July 29 2012 08:47 Saber_Rider wrote:On July 29 2012 08:43 leveller wrote:On July 29 2012 08:41 Saber_Rider wrote:Gotta love that u can win 3 games lose 3 games n still lose the series...extended only makes sense if u face a player who beat u once before...what's up with america n these extended series? Anyways ThorZain is again showing the best foreign terran! what are you talking about? First of all, this is in sweden not america lol, second that just how a double elimination tournament works, everyone gets an extra life, thorzain still had his so he could afford to drop a series Well Blizzard is an american based company and I am pretty sure they were at least part of the decision to use these rules...Yepp I kno that is how it works and this final was amazing but it still lame to have a final where u start with such an advantage! U don't see an ordinary sports league do this...why? Cuase it would kinda kill a lot of the hype You think that ordinary sports don't use double elimination? Wow. Just wow. This wasn't even extended series. If anything, this is an argument FOR extended series. Which ordinary sports use double elimination? There might be some obscure ones that do, but it doesn't come even close to being a recognized standard anywhere that actually matters. It's just messy, unelegant, and produces awkward scenarios. Football (soccer) does no? The most popular sport in the world. At least they did in the euro's the hell are you talking about -.-
Clearly he knows football as much as sc2!
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On July 29 2012 08:56 jmbthirteen wrote:
Are people really complaining about double elim? You realize, even without double elim, Thorzain would have won because SortOf lost to naniwa earlier in the tournament right? And Thorzain won the winners bracket, which would have been the whole tournament.
That is why I like that better. Instead SortOf goes 3-3 and lose. I know ThorZain won tis extra series by being undefeated but it just isn't the same to watch a final where u know one player has an advantage. I know DE has it's strong points I just prefer the classic way of single elim.
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My bad, dont actualy follow football i cant stand it, got it confused with something else.
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On July 29 2012 08:51 revel8 wrote:
Congrats to Thorzain. He edged a tight finals and ended up the Swedish Champion!
Well done to SortOf and Seiplo too for qualifying for the Euros.
This was great, thanks to WCS, Blizzard and everyone involved in such awesome entertainment.
Yeah at some point we as a community should really let Blizzard know just how fucking awesome they've been with WCS. Like, for the inaugral run of it it's been comparatively FLAWLESS to any other major tournament. Sure it piggybacks off of existing organizations such as Dreamhack and MLG which is fantastic for all parties involved but I still would never have imagined a tournament so well organized as WCS has been so far. Consider that every major tournament other than GSL has had at least one major blunder early on in their SC2 career:
MLG Dallas
IPL and the PPSL debacle (not entirely IPL's fault, though there also was some difficulty at the start of IPL3).
WCG 2012
Dreamhack with the infamous Bischu Coin Flip
NASL's Sound guy... and everything in the first few months of that tournament.
They're all fantastic tournaments but they all had growing pains early on.
Blizzard's WCS has been so well thought through it's insane. Top of the line casters at every event, the map veto system, all of it has been SO GOOD. Can't fucking WAIT for the continental finals. Europe will be insane and in the North American championship... let's just say that Winter is Coming for you America :p
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On July 29 2012 09:00 Saber_Rider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:56 jmbthirteen wrote:
Are people really complaining about double elim? You realize, even without double elim, Thorzain would have won because SortOf lost to naniwa earlier in the tournament right? And Thorzain won the winners bracket, which would have been the whole tournament. That is why I like that better. Instead SortOf goes 3-3 and lose. I know ThorZain won tis extra series by being undefeated but it just isn't the same to watch a final where u know one player has an advantage. I know DE has it's strong points I just prefer the classic way of single elim.
Starting from Ro32 with single elim is massively goofy though.
Imo it should be 2 rounds of 4 man groups into Ro8 Single elim, but pure double elim is okay for me.
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On July 29 2012 09:00 Saber_Rider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:56 jmbthirteen wrote:
Are people really complaining about double elim? You realize, even without double elim, Thorzain would have won because SortOf lost to naniwa earlier in the tournament right? And Thorzain won the winners bracket, which would have been the whole tournament. That is why I like that better. Instead SortOf goes 3-3 and lose. I know ThorZain won tis extra series by being undefeated but it just isn't the same to watch a final where u know one player has an advantage. I know DE has it's strong points I just prefer the classic way of single elim.
It's way more entertaining to have more bo3 matches than fewer bo5 ones. No matter how you look at it double elim is a better and more exciting format for SC2. As a player I would prefer single elim with more bo5 but it gets really boring to watch.
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On July 29 2012 08:56 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:55 jnd wrote:On July 29 2012 08:54 aTnClouD wrote:On July 29 2012 08:53 Reaps wrote:On July 29 2012 08:52 Talin wrote:On July 29 2012 08:49 VikingKong wrote:On July 29 2012 08:47 Saber_Rider wrote:On July 29 2012 08:43 leveller wrote:On July 29 2012 08:41 Saber_Rider wrote:Gotta love that u can win 3 games lose 3 games n still lose the series...extended only makes sense if u face a player who beat u once before...what's up with america n these extended series? Anyways ThorZain is again showing the best foreign terran! what are you talking about? First of all, this is in sweden not america lol, second that just how a double elimination tournament works, everyone gets an extra life, thorzain still had his so he could afford to drop a series Well Blizzard is an american based company and I am pretty sure they were at least part of the decision to use these rules...Yepp I kno that is how it works and this final was amazing but it still lame to have a final where u start with such an advantage! U don't see an ordinary sports league do this...why? Cuase it would kinda kill a lot of the hype You think that ordinary sports don't use double elimination? Wow. Just wow. This wasn't even extended series. If anything, this is an argument FOR extended series. Which ordinary sports use double elimination? There might be some obscure ones that do, but it doesn't come even close to being a recognized standard anywhere that actually matters. It's just messy, unelegant, and produces awkward scenarios. Football (soccer) does no? The most popular sport in the world. At least they did in the euro's Starcraft games don't last 90 minutes. They do when played in Bo3 or longer series. A bo3 lasting 90 minutes is rare enough to occur to justify double elimination in most tournaments. If football matches lasted less on average they would do it aswell.
Pretty sure they wouldn't. The quality of the game would be absolute shit because the players would be too tired to even run
Maybe if they had the other game on next day or some shit.
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On July 29 2012 08:59 murtas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 08:58 HaXXspetten wrote:On July 29 2012 08:53 Reaps wrote:On July 29 2012 08:52 Talin wrote:On July 29 2012 08:49 VikingKong wrote:On July 29 2012 08:47 Saber_Rider wrote:On July 29 2012 08:43 leveller wrote:On July 29 2012 08:41 Saber_Rider wrote:Gotta love that u can win 3 games lose 3 games n still lose the series...extended only makes sense if u face a player who beat u once before...what's up with america n these extended series? Anyways ThorZain is again showing the best foreign terran! what are you talking about? First of all, this is in sweden not america lol, second that just how a double elimination tournament works, everyone gets an extra life, thorzain still had his so he could afford to drop a series Well Blizzard is an american based company and I am pretty sure they were at least part of the decision to use these rules...Yepp I kno that is how it works and this final was amazing but it still lame to have a final where u start with such an advantage! U don't see an ordinary sports league do this...why? Cuase it would kinda kill a lot of the hype You think that ordinary sports don't use double elimination? Wow. Just wow. This wasn't even extended series. If anything, this is an argument FOR extended series. Which ordinary sports use double elimination? There might be some obscure ones that do, but it doesn't come even close to being a recognized standard anywhere that actually matters. It's just messy, unelegant, and produces awkward scenarios. Football (soccer) does no? The most popular sport in the world. At least they did in the euro's the hell are you talking about -.- Clearly he knows football as much as sc2!
We may have fallen for a master troll guys...
But just in case, this also was not an extended series. If it was then there would be a seventh game so it sounds like you (Saber_Rider) are in fact in favor of extended series.
Edit: Just saw that was in the post I quoted. My brain is too fried right now.
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On July 29 2012 09:01 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 09:00 Saber_Rider wrote:On July 29 2012 08:56 jmbthirteen wrote:
Are people really complaining about double elim? You realize, even without double elim, Thorzain would have won because SortOf lost to naniwa earlier in the tournament right? And Thorzain won the winners bracket, which would have been the whole tournament. That is why I like that better. Instead SortOf goes 3-3 and lose. I know ThorZain won tis extra series by being undefeated but it just isn't the same to watch a final where u know one player has an advantage. I know DE has it's strong points I just prefer the classic way of single elim. Starting from Ro32 with single elim is massively goofy though. Imo it should be 2 rounds of 4 man groups into Ro8 Single elim, but pure double elim is okay for me.
I totally agree that round robin groups into single elim is how u should do it with single elim.
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On July 29 2012 08:48 Broodweiser wrote:
... I just wish InControl didnt swear all the time ...
I believe he wasn't swearing so much in the previous Dreamhack event that he hosted, but was strongly encouraged to do so by the Dreamhack CEO.
To nitpick a minor detail in the award ceremony, I had an impression that the tech director got a little drunk with power with all the music-timed switches and different camera angles. It can be done like this, but not when there are like 30 people left in the audience, half of them chatting among themselves and/or leaving (not to blame them, it's almost two in the morning). Just switch the front side cameras man, make at least the stream spectators feel like a massive audience is chanting.
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