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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 27 2012 12:17 GMT
#4441
On July 27 2012 21:14 ShakkaFL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:12 Sakray wrote:
Worst final after the InCa/Nestea disaster.
Seed will get crushed in the next season, while MC is gonna reach ro8 or ro4 again, like the fucking TRUE champion he is.

Srsly, just look at Seed, he won the biggest sc2 tournament and...no freaking emotions ? Are you kidding me ?
I'm disappointed. Hugely disappointed, MC should have won.

Thx blizzard for making pvp so coinflip, retard and all-in all day, bg to Seed for abusing this.

couldn't have said it better tbh, I feel that Seed will be a player that will eventually dissapear once his all ins stop working.


lol, that is what they said about MC's 2 base. Did you want anything other than the finals? Seed made his way here with macro play. But in PvP, what can you do? Even with foreigners, it is pretty common to see that the first player who expands, dies...

As for no emotions, maybe the guy is just in shock? So who ever shows the most emotions at the end should win? Then Firebathero would be 3 x OSL champ and not Flash...
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 27 2012 12:18 GMT
#4442
4-1. Damn Seed. Maybe I need to start believing in IM again.
I had a good night of sleep.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
July 27 2012 12:18 GMT
#4443
LOL MC fanboys crying hard.

As a protoss player i love Mc and Seed equally, but

Seed deserved to win the title and there like 0 reason for him to get the

blame. gratz seed!
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
eericson000
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia718 Posts
July 27 2012 12:18 GMT
#4444
On July 27 2012 21:17 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:13 Stanlot wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:11 eericson000 wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:11 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:06 Waxangel wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:05 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:03 Waxangel wrote:
the extended trophy kiss photo-op remains the worst Korean esports tradition


I must disagree. I LOVE that tradition :D Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside when I imagine how the new champion feels.


are you sure you're not projecting yourself into that trophy


I'm just a sucker for emotional stuff like that. In contrast, I really disliked the NASL dance party, just was too chaotic for my tastes.

Dance party wasn't Gangnam style, that's why

And just like that, it needs to be linked to again. Especially to lift everyone's spirits


You need more powerful stuff than Gangnam to lift ones spirit after this.



Just replace Thorzain with Seed in your mind




+ Show Spoiler +
Damn this ceremony really is the best one ever, MLG with MMA comes close but lacks the production


It's still not Gangnam style though.
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
July 27 2012 12:18 GMT
#4445
The MC fans should be so ashamed of how they are acting in this thread.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
IMLyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada714 Posts
July 27 2012 12:18 GMT
#4446
On July 27 2012 21:12 Sakray wrote:
Worst final after the InCa/Nestea disaster.
Seed will get crushed in the next season, while MC is gonna reach ro8 or ro4 again, like the fucking TRUE champion he is.

Srsly, just look at Seed, he won the biggest sc2 tournament and...no freaking emotions ? Are you kidding me ?
I'm disappointed. Hugely disappointed, MC should have won.


Have you watched Seed play all season? vs. Symbol? vs. Byun?

He was so overcome by emotion you could see it in his face, he couldn't believe he won. He was still in shock.
I'ma show you how great I am ~ Muhammed Ali
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
July 27 2012 12:18 GMT
#4447
On July 27 2012 21:17 ShakkaFL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:16 FidoDido wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:14 ShakkaFL wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:12 Sakray wrote:
Worst final after the InCa/Nestea disaster.
Seed will get crushed in the next season, while MC is gonna reach ro8 or ro4 again, like the fucking TRUE champion he is.

Srsly, just look at Seed, he won the biggest sc2 tournament and...no freaking emotions ? Are you kidding me ?
I'm disappointed. Hugely disappointed, MC should have won.

Thx blizzard for making pvp so coinflip, retard and all-in all day, bg to Seed for abusing this.

couldn't have said it better tbh, I feel that Seed will be a player that will eventually dissapear once his all ins stop working.



2 trolls who did not watch Seeds games this season and last season.

I watch every gsl game, I didn't pay for the annual pass for no reason


Sure, then you should know he's been part of the scene since his appearance in GSTL. Oh wait, you didn't. Wait, why am I replying to a troll??
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
July 27 2012 12:19 GMT
#4448
On July 27 2012 21:15 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:12 Sakray wrote:
Worst final after the InCa/Nestea disaster.
Seed will get crushed in the next season, while MC is gonna reach ro8 or ro4 again, like the fucking TRUE champion he is.

Srsly, just look at Seed, he won the biggest sc2 tournament and...no freaking emotions ? Are you kidding me ?
I'm disappointed. Hugely disappointed, MC should have won.

Thx blizzard for making pvp so coinflip, retard and all-in all day, bg to Seed for abusing this.

Why don't people this? He had an overflow of emotion, so much he was in shock.
Sometimes when something so emotional happens you simply stand there still for a couple sec "Did that just happen?"


Or, too many Americans/Europeans think showing emotion is very natural and should be open.
I see some cultural difference there.
soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
July 27 2012 12:19 GMT
#4449
On July 27 2012 21:15 InoyouS2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:13 Big J wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:05 YoungTyTy wrote:
I still feel like even the Marineking vs MVP finals where MKP got 4-0ed was worse than this one. MKP made so many mistakes, the games weren't even close and he just played badly.


yeah, we had 5 TvT finals. And none of it was epic. Even more so, apart from MVP 4-2 MKP in the World Championship, everything else was a onesided stomp. But if MMA beats MVP in TvT 4-1 when MVP is said to be unbeatable in this MU, it's "MVP didn't have a good day". If Seed stomps MC 4-1 in PvP it's "oh my god, PvP is sooo bad and random".

There haven't been a lot of good finals yet, no matter the Matchup. Seed vs MC just continues that story.


Wrong, DRG vs MMA and Mvp vs Squirtle were absolutely jawdropping series, and many of the highlights from them have been labelled as the most epic E-sports moments (such as game 7 of MMA vs DRG and game 5 of Mvp vs Squirtle). The reason people are blaming this finals on PvP is because PvP is AWFUL.


Leenock vs Jjakji was quite good.
Evil Geniuses<3
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 27 2012 12:19 GMT
#4450
On July 27 2012 21:14 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:13 Big J wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:05 YoungTyTy wrote:
I still feel like even the Marineking vs MVP finals where MKP got 4-0ed was worse than this one. MKP made so many mistakes, the games weren't even close and he just played badly.


yeah, we had 5 TvT finals. And none of it was epic. Even more so, apart from MVP 4-2 MKP in the World Championship, everything else was a onesided stomp. But if MMA beats MVP in TvT 4-1 when MVP is said to be unbeatable in this MU, it's "MVP didn't have a good day". If Seed stomps MC 4-1 in PvP it's "oh my god, PvP is sooo bad and random".

There haven't been a lot of good finals yet, no matter the Matchup. Seed vs MC just continues that story.


The difference there is TvT is a far more stable matchup, the PvP series we all just witnesses was truly hectic and, honestly, sort of random.



It all ties back to the way the races were designed. Terran has so many versatile, safe openings, so TvT actually is a really good matchup. When the Protoss race is designed around warpgate and Colossus, of course PvP is going to end up being Gateway all ins and mass Colossus late game.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
July 27 2012 12:19 GMT
#4451
This was a pretty boring final - looking forward to S4 ...
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YoungTyTy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States801 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 12:20:25
July 27 2012 12:19 GMT
#4452
On July 27 2012 21:15 InoyouS2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:13 Big J wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:05 YoungTyTy wrote:
I still feel like even the Marineking vs MVP finals where MKP got 4-0ed was worse than this one. MKP made so many mistakes, the games weren't even close and he just played badly.


yeah, we had 5 TvT finals. And none of it was epic. Even more so, apart from MVP 4-2 MKP in the World Championship, everything else was a onesided stomp. But if MMA beats MVP in TvT 4-1 when MVP is said to be unbeatable in this MU, it's "MVP didn't have a good day". If Seed stomps MC 4-1 in PvP it's "oh my god, PvP is sooo bad and random".

There haven't been a lot of good finals yet, no matter the Matchup. Seed vs MC just continues that story.


Wrong, DRG vs MMA and Mvp vs Squirtle were absolutely jawdropping series, and many of the highlights from them have been labelled as the most epic E-sports moments (such as game 7 of MMA vs DRG and game 5 of Mvp vs Squirtle). The reason people are blaming this finals on PvP is because PvP is AWFUL.

Note how none of those finals you mentioned were TvT. And both of those I thought were pretty bad until the comebacks started. If those had been 3-0 or 4-0, then nobody would think of those as good finals. Granted, the comeback games were really good, but before that the games themselves weren't even that good. I think if MC had won game 5 and played 2 more games that looked like that, people would think this series was epic too.
Any fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
July 27 2012 12:19 GMT
#4453
the problem with pvp lategame is that fights can be so one-sided that its instantly over because you cant recover from hvaing 5 colossus less than your opponent(for example).
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 12:20:24
July 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#4454
On July 27 2012 21:18 InoyouS2 wrote:
The MC fans should be so ashamed of how they are acting in this thread.


As a huge MC fan ever since the GSL Opens, it makes me said that apparently many fellow MC fans can't appreciate what a great player Seed is. I'm sad for MC but Seed just had, in my opinion, the most awesome dark horse run ever.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#4455
Poor people, the trip to Busan was longer than the finals This final probably won't help SC2 get bigger in Korea
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#4456
On July 27 2012 21:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:13 FidoDido wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:11 vthree wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:04 Heavenlee wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:03 ElephantBaby wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:02 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:01 rd wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:00 ElephantBaby wrote:
Not even one single game recommended, TL loves MC too much.


yeah those finals were some of the best, why must fanboys ruin it


I can guarantee you that fanboyism has almost nothing to do with the recommendations for this series.


How can you guarantee that?


Because it was two warp prism fourgates, a blink stalker all-in, a 3 gate hidden probe in base, and colossus wars? People going absolutely insane over Seed taking about 5 minerals and gas from MC's base doesn't make it good.


The first few games was typical PvP. But why complained about colossus wars? Seed actually won that with less Colossus... Granted, he did get a big advantage due to BOs but it happens in ZvZ and other matches up as well...


People below high masters just don't come close to understanding how PvP works.


It has nothing to do with understanding the match up.

I understand the match up fine, and as a player I can appreciate the subtle things going on underneath the collosus count and maneuvering.

But as a spectator, late game PvP is a lot of back and forth waiting for action to happen leading up to a single battle that's over in moments, while not being able to see anything other than bright lasers from both sides.

In general, mirrors suck when both sides are just massing the same unit. It's why most people don't like watching roach war ZvZ, or marine vs marine TvT or mech vs mech TvT.

Late game PvP is nothing BUT Collosus vs Collosus there really isn't an alternative unit composition you can make.

In all the other mirrors there is.


I am not sure. If you watch any late/mid game ZvZ lately, I think it is moving towards infestors wars... At least in Colossi wars, you have some zealots, archons to tank. In ZvZ, you don't need anything else because you have infested terrans to tank/dps and fungals.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#4457
On July 27 2012 21:18 eericson000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:17 Tobblish wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:13 Stanlot wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:11 eericson000 wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:11 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:06 Waxangel wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:05 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 27 2012 21:03 Waxangel wrote:
the extended trophy kiss photo-op remains the worst Korean esports tradition


I must disagree. I LOVE that tradition :D Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside when I imagine how the new champion feels.


are you sure you're not projecting yourself into that trophy


I'm just a sucker for emotional stuff like that. In contrast, I really disliked the NASL dance party, just was too chaotic for my tastes.

Dance party wasn't Gangnam style, that's why

And just like that, it needs to be linked to again. Especially to lift everyone's spirits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0


You need more powerful stuff than Gangnam to lift ones spirit after this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9tUmLc1_LI

Just replace Thorzain with Seed in your mind




+ Show Spoiler +
Damn this ceremony really is the best one ever, MLG with MMA comes close but lacks the production


It's still not Gangnam style though.

think Calling kinda fit the mood a little better at that point ^^

(not to mention Gangnam wasn't released by then)
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#4458
MC T_T
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#4459

On July 27 2012 21:15 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:12 Sakray wrote:
Worst final after the InCa/Nestea disaster.
Seed will get crushed in the next season, while MC is gonna reach ro8 or ro4 again, like the fucking TRUE champion he is.

Srsly, just look at Seed, he won the biggest sc2 tournament and...no freaking emotions ? Are you kidding me ?
I'm disappointed. Hugely disappointed, MC should have won.

Thx blizzard for making pvp so coinflip, retard and all-in all day, bg to Seed for abusing this.

Why don't people this? He had an overflow of emotion, so much he was in shock.
Sometimes when something so emotional happens you simply stand there still for a couple sec "Did that just happen?"

Seeing him there with his eyes closed in the booth just soaking it in and then burying his head into his coach hugging him was great I was definitely feeling the emotion.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 27 2012 12:21 GMT
#4460
I guess it's not the destination.. it's the journey. .. or something.
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