On July 27 2012 21:12 Sakray wrote: Worst final after the InCa/Nestea disaster. Seed will get crushed in the next season, while MC is gonna reach ro8 or ro4 again, like the fucking TRUE champion he is.
Srsly, just look at Seed, he won the biggest sc2 tournament and...no freaking emotions ? Are you kidding me ? I'm disappointed. Hugely disappointed, MC should have won.
Thx blizzard for making pvp so coinflip, retard and all-in all day, bg to Seed for abusing this.
couldn't have said it better tbh, I feel that Seed will be a player that will eventually dissapear once his all ins stop working.
lol, that is what they said about MC's 2 base. Did you want anything other than the finals? Seed made his way here with macro play. But in PvP, what can you do? Even with foreigners, it is pretty common to see that the first player who expands, dies...
As for no emotions, maybe the guy is just in shock? So who ever shows the most emotions at the end should win? Then Firebathero would be 3 x OSL champ and not Flash...
On July 27 2012 21:12 Sakray wrote: Worst final after the InCa/Nestea disaster. Seed will get crushed in the next season, while MC is gonna reach ro8 or ro4 again, like the fucking TRUE champion he is.
Srsly, just look at Seed, he won the biggest sc2 tournament and...no freaking emotions ? Are you kidding me ? I'm disappointed. Hugely disappointed, MC should have won.
Have you watched Seed play all season? vs. Symbol? vs. Byun?
He was so overcome by emotion you could see it in his face, he couldn't believe he won. He was still in shock.
On July 27 2012 21:12 Sakray wrote: Worst final after the InCa/Nestea disaster. Seed will get crushed in the next season, while MC is gonna reach ro8 or ro4 again, like the fucking TRUE champion he is.
Srsly, just look at Seed, he won the biggest sc2 tournament and...no freaking emotions ? Are you kidding me ? I'm disappointed. Hugely disappointed, MC should have won.
Thx blizzard for making pvp so coinflip, retard and all-in all day, bg to Seed for abusing this.
couldn't have said it better tbh, I feel that Seed will be a player that will eventually dissapear once his all ins stop working.
2 trolls who did not watch Seeds games this season and last season.
I watch every gsl game, I didn't pay for the annual pass for no reason
Sure, then you should know he's been part of the scene since his appearance in GSTL. Oh wait, you didn't. Wait, why am I replying to a troll??
On July 27 2012 21:12 Sakray wrote: Worst final after the InCa/Nestea disaster. Seed will get crushed in the next season, while MC is gonna reach ro8 or ro4 again, like the fucking TRUE champion he is.
Srsly, just look at Seed, he won the biggest sc2 tournament and...no freaking emotions ? Are you kidding me ? I'm disappointed. Hugely disappointed, MC should have won.
Thx blizzard for making pvp so coinflip, retard and all-in all day, bg to Seed for abusing this.
Why don't people this? He had an overflow of emotion, so much he was in shock. Sometimes when something so emotional happens you simply stand there still for a couple sec "Did that just happen?"
Or, too many Americans/Europeans think showing emotion is very natural and should be open. I see some cultural difference there.
On July 27 2012 21:05 YoungTyTy wrote: I still feel like even the Marineking vs MVP finals where MKP got 4-0ed was worse than this one. MKP made so many mistakes, the games weren't even close and he just played badly.
yeah, we had 5 TvT finals. And none of it was epic. Even more so, apart from MVP 4-2 MKP in the World Championship, everything else was a onesided stomp. But if MMA beats MVP in TvT 4-1 when MVP is said to be unbeatable in this MU, it's "MVP didn't have a good day". If Seed stomps MC 4-1 in PvP it's "oh my god, PvP is sooo bad and random".
There haven't been a lot of good finals yet, no matter the Matchup. Seed vs MC just continues that story.
Wrong, DRG vs MMA and Mvp vs Squirtle were absolutely jawdropping series, and many of the highlights from them have been labelled as the most epic E-sports moments (such as game 7 of MMA vs DRG and game 5 of Mvp vs Squirtle). The reason people are blaming this finals on PvP is because PvP is AWFUL.
On July 27 2012 21:05 YoungTyTy wrote: I still feel like even the Marineking vs MVP finals where MKP got 4-0ed was worse than this one. MKP made so many mistakes, the games weren't even close and he just played badly.
yeah, we had 5 TvT finals. And none of it was epic. Even more so, apart from MVP 4-2 MKP in the World Championship, everything else was a onesided stomp. But if MMA beats MVP in TvT 4-1 when MVP is said to be unbeatable in this MU, it's "MVP didn't have a good day". If Seed stomps MC 4-1 in PvP it's "oh my god, PvP is sooo bad and random".
There haven't been a lot of good finals yet, no matter the Matchup. Seed vs MC just continues that story.
The difference there is TvT is a far more stable matchup, the PvP series we all just witnesses was truly hectic and, honestly, sort of random.
It all ties back to the way the races were designed. Terran has so many versatile, safe openings, so TvT actually is a really good matchup. When the Protoss race is designed around warpgate and Colossus, of course PvP is going to end up being Gateway all ins and mass Colossus late game.
On July 27 2012 21:05 YoungTyTy wrote: I still feel like even the Marineking vs MVP finals where MKP got 4-0ed was worse than this one. MKP made so many mistakes, the games weren't even close and he just played badly.
yeah, we had 5 TvT finals. And none of it was epic. Even more so, apart from MVP 4-2 MKP in the World Championship, everything else was a onesided stomp. But if MMA beats MVP in TvT 4-1 when MVP is said to be unbeatable in this MU, it's "MVP didn't have a good day". If Seed stomps MC 4-1 in PvP it's "oh my god, PvP is sooo bad and random".
There haven't been a lot of good finals yet, no matter the Matchup. Seed vs MC just continues that story.
Wrong, DRG vs MMA and Mvp vs Squirtle were absolutely jawdropping series, and many of the highlights from them have been labelled as the most epic E-sports moments (such as game 7 of MMA vs DRG and game 5 of Mvp vs Squirtle). The reason people are blaming this finals on PvP is because PvP is AWFUL.
Note how none of those finals you mentioned were TvT. And both of those I thought were pretty bad until the comebacks started. If those had been 3-0 or 4-0, then nobody would think of those as good finals. Granted, the comeback games were really good, but before that the games themselves weren't even that good. I think if MC had won game 5 and played 2 more games that looked like that, people would think this series was epic too.
the problem with pvp lategame is that fights can be so one-sided that its instantly over because you cant recover from hvaing 5 colossus less than your opponent(for example).
On July 27 2012 21:18 InoyouS2 wrote: The MC fans should be so ashamed of how they are acting in this thread.
As a huge MC fan ever since the GSL Opens, it makes me said that apparently many fellow MC fans can't appreciate what a great player Seed is. I'm sad for MC but Seed just had, in my opinion, the most awesome dark horse run ever.
On July 27 2012 21:00 ElephantBaby wrote: Not even one single game recommended, TL loves MC too much.
yeah those finals were some of the best, why must fanboys ruin it
I can guarantee you that fanboyism has almost nothing to do with the recommendations for this series.
How can you guarantee that?
Because it was two warp prism fourgates, a blink stalker all-in, a 3 gate hidden probe in base, and colossus wars? People going absolutely insane over Seed taking about 5 minerals and gas from MC's base doesn't make it good.
The first few games was typical PvP. But why complained about colossus wars? Seed actually won that with less Colossus... Granted, he did get a big advantage due to BOs but it happens in ZvZ and other matches up as well...
People below high masters just don't come close to understanding how PvP works.
It has nothing to do with understanding the match up.
I understand the match up fine, and as a player I can appreciate the subtle things going on underneath the collosus count and maneuvering.
But as a spectator, late game PvP is a lot of back and forth waiting for action to happen leading up to a single battle that's over in moments, while not being able to see anything other than bright lasers from both sides.
In general, mirrors suck when both sides are just massing the same unit. It's why most people don't like watching roach war ZvZ, or marine vs marine TvT or mech vs mech TvT.
Late game PvP is nothing BUT Collosus vs Collosus there really isn't an alternative unit composition you can make.
In all the other mirrors there is.
I am not sure. If you watch any late/mid game ZvZ lately, I think it is moving towards infestors wars... At least in Colossi wars, you have some zealots, archons to tank. In ZvZ, you don't need anything else because you have infested terrans to tank/dps and fungals.
On July 27 2012 21:12 Sakray wrote: Worst final after the InCa/Nestea disaster. Seed will get crushed in the next season, while MC is gonna reach ro8 or ro4 again, like the fucking TRUE champion he is.
Srsly, just look at Seed, he won the biggest sc2 tournament and...no freaking emotions ? Are you kidding me ? I'm disappointed. Hugely disappointed, MC should have won.
Thx blizzard for making pvp so coinflip, retard and all-in all day, bg to Seed for abusing this.
Why don't people this? He had an overflow of emotion, so much he was in shock. Sometimes when something so emotional happens you simply stand there still for a couple sec "Did that just happen?"
Seeing him there with his eyes closed in the booth just soaking it in and then burying his head into his coach hugging him was great I was definitely feeling the emotion.
EPT
This final probably won't help SC2 get bigger in Korea 
I was definitely feeling the emotion.
