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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:18 FidoDido wrote: Sure, then you should know he's been part of the scene since his appearance in GSTL. Oh wait, you didn't. Wait, why am I replying to a troll??  Been part of the scene, but never made an impact on it, he's not champion caliber, finals would have been much better with Byun vs MC... | ||
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Province
United Kingdom314 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:19 Bam Lee wrote: the problem with pvp lategame is that fights can be so one-sided that its instantly over because you cant recover from hvaing 5 colossus less than your opponent(for example). except MC had more collosus and seed recovered and beat him by out positioning and out microing him | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:20 vthree wrote: I am not sure. If you watch any late/mid game ZvZ lately, I think it is moving towards infestors wars... At least in Colossi wars, you have some zealots, archons to tank. In ZvZ, you don't need anything else because you have infested terrans to tank/dps and fungals. Proves you know nothing about ZvZ. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:19 Havik_ wrote: It all ties back to the way the races were designed. Terran has so many versatile, safe openings, so TvT actually is a really good matchup. When the Protoss race is designed around warpgate and Colossus, of course PvP is going to end up being Gateway all ins and mass Colossus late game. Not to mention that Terran has that ultimate safe unit in the Siege Tank, lol. Makes things more drawn out, lets people make comebacks more easily, and such. As boring as GomTvT was, at least... actually I still just hate GomTvT, but uhh... where was I going with this train of thought? Protoss need defender's advantage. Somethin' about that. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:20 vthree wrote: I am not sure. If you watch any late/mid game ZvZ lately, I think it is moving towards infestors wars... At least in Colossi wars, you have some zealots, archons to tank. In ZvZ, you don't need anything else because you have infested terrans to tank/dps and fungals. I agree that Infestor vs Infestor ZvZ sucks to watch, but as good as Infestors are they'll never dominate the late game of a match up the way Collosus do for PvP, simply because once hive tech units hit the field Infestors lose a lot of their luster. The only single unit with more far reaching impact on a single match up's late game is the Siege Tank for Terran. but the Siege Tank has a lot of things going for it that make it just more fun from a spectator's perspective. | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:21 Zambrah wrote: Not to mention that Terran has that ultimate safe unit in the Siege Tank, lol. Makes things more drawn out, lets people make comebacks more easily, and such. As boring as GomTvT was, at least... actually I still just hate GomTvT, but uhh... where was I going with this train of thought? Protoss need defender's advantage. Somethin' about that. GomTvT was fun :D | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:21 ShakkaFL wrote: Been part of the scene, but never made an impact on it, he's not champion caliber, finals would have been much better with Byun vs MC... Then maybe Byun shouldn't have lost. Seed deserved his wins against Symbol, Byun and now MC. How can you say he isn't a championship caliber player when he just took the championship? Especially having beaten such strong players to get there. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:23 Bam Lee wrote: Stop calling seed emotionless really. He is just somebody who could barely believe that he just won. Not everybody has to get naked and do some strange dance to please all of you. That has nothing to do with somebody being emotionless Hey some of us like strange nude dancing. ;-D | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:21 ShakkaFL wrote: Been part of the scene, but never made an impact on it, he's not champion caliber, finals would have been much better with Byun vs MC... And Byun's impact on the scene has been? Byun, Symbol, Seed were all up and comers with champion potential... | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:21 L3g3nd_ wrote: except MC had more collosus and seed recovered and beat him by out positioning and out microing him Yeah... having those two colossi derping in the mineral line as seed focus fired all of MCs other Colossi was kind of... really bad | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:16 FidoDido wrote: 2 trolls who did not watch Seeds games this season and last season. I'd bet on the guy agreeing with himself, there can't possibly be 2 people this idiotic. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:23 Bam Lee wrote: Stop calling seed emotionless really. He is just somebody who could barely believe that he just won. Not everybody has to get naked and do some strange dance to please all of you. That has nothing to do with somebody being emotionless Seriously, too many people equate showing emotion to doing something flamboyant or outrageous. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:21 L3g3nd_ wrote: except MC had more collosus and seed recovered and beat him by out positioning and out microing him I also think Seed had an upgrade advantage. I think that's why he moved out when he did. MC got his Twilight Council really late, so Seed had to have been ahead in upgrades. I think it was +2 for Seed and +1 for MC. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:21 L3g3nd_ wrote: except MC had more collosus and seed recovered and beat him by out positioning and out microing him What were the upgrades? MC had more Collosi after the initial attack, but seems like he didn't reinforce as well as Seed. | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:23 Zambrah wrote: Hey some of us like strange nude dancing. ;-D i for my part dont like to see nude men dancing....We can talk about that again when women start competing in gsl :D | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On July 27 2012 21:21 L3g3nd_ wrote: except MC had more collosus and seed recovered and beat him by out positioning and out microing him Seed began the game with a build order advantage (recovered from what? lol). MC engaged poorly and had inferior positioning. It doesn't change the fact that having less colossus past 3 is usually almost always a loss at even supplies. | ||
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minhblizzard
Singapore425 Posts
perfect song to describe this final just change "bust me" to "four-gate", "morphed" to "warped" | ||
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YoungTyTy
United States801 Posts
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