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MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
July 28 2012 13:29 GMT
#5321
On July 28 2012 22:27 SenorChang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 22:22 opterown wrote:
Poll: Most Valuable Player?

MMA (135)
 
30%

GuMiho (88)
 
20%

Leenock (87)
 
19%

CoCa (64)
 
14%

Puzzle (28)
 
6%

JYP (14)
 
3%

Ryung (9)
 
2%

TheBest (9)
 
2%

Other (8)
 
2%

Tear (6)
 
1%

Lucky (2)
 
0%

450 total votes

Your vote: Most Valuable Player?

(Vote): MMA
(Vote): Leenock
(Vote): Ryung
(Vote): Tear
(Vote): Puzzle
(Vote): GuMiho
(Vote): CoCa
(Vote): Lucky
(Vote): TheBest
(Vote): JYP
(Vote): Other



wellll...........

wtf
i like mma and all, but why is he being voted on so hardcore as MVP? mma may have played well, but that just means gumiho played better


that was before the finals was played..
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
July 28 2012 13:29 GMT
#5322
I enjoyed the finals and I don't think Terran are OP in the slightest (and I used to a year ago, something fucking rotten) he just hapenned to play well. Games 1-3 were really good the other 2 still fine.

The boxing ring girls in green and pink were hot, we got gangam style and I sent Choi, Ha-Na many virtual kisses.
I'd say it was a pretty fucking sweet final actually.

Agree with Khaldor interview with D.Kim though, must admit it would be nice if comebacks were a bit more possible in SC2 somehow (but it's almost impossible to balance fairly for that, maybe increase the defenders advantage)
GeorgeH
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom190 Posts
July 28 2012 13:29 GMT
#5323
On July 28 2012 22:27 SenorChang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 22:22 opterown wrote:
Poll: Most Valuable Player?

MMA (135)
 
30%

GuMiho (88)
 
20%

Leenock (87)
 
19%

CoCa (64)
 
14%

Puzzle (28)
 
6%

JYP (14)
 
3%

Ryung (9)
 
2%

TheBest (9)
 
2%

Other (8)
 
2%

Tear (6)
 
1%

Lucky (2)
 
0%

450 total votes

Your vote: Most Valuable Player?

(Vote): MMA
(Vote): Leenock
(Vote): Ryung
(Vote): Tear
(Vote): Puzzle
(Vote): GuMiho
(Vote): CoCa
(Vote): Lucky
(Vote): TheBest
(Vote): JYP
(Vote): Other



wellll...........

wtf
i like mma and all, but why is he being voted on so hardcore as MVP? mma may have played well, but that just means gumiho played better


Sigh, bro. This poll is done BEFORE the match not after.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 28 2012 13:29 GMT
#5324
Well at least I got my Liquidbets right!
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 13:29:53
July 28 2012 13:29 GMT
#5325
It's funny how people think if you thought the finals were not that great, everyone assumes you're a slayers fanboy, lol. I have no stock in either team, was happy for Gumiho/FXO, game 1 was obviously fantastic, game 2 was exciting, game 3 was exciting at first, but coca kind of threw that one away with poor spine crawler placement/movement, and the subsequent 5-10 minutes of gameplay was gumiho so far ahead that even his poor decision to pull SCVs again was irrelevant. Game 4 was obviously bad, and Game 5 was not a bad game, but not exactly as "close" as people seemed to think, lol. It was winnable for puzzle after he stuffed the 3 pronged push, gumiho was in an incredibly strong position after taking such a fast 3rd, with upgrade advantage and everything. There's nothing wrong with thinking the games weren't great, it doesn't mean you're a hater, or you're a slayers fanboy, lol.

So obviously if you thought these finals were amazing you are an FXO fanboy, right? Isn't that how it works? :p Or maybe we should go with the "What, your opinion is different than mine? You're dumb as shit!"

Best of all was the sign girls though.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 28 2012 13:29 GMT
#5326
On July 28 2012 22:27 Ansinjunger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 22:25 bokchoi wrote:
On July 28 2012 22:24 zul wrote:
Gumiho is such a great player. wasn`t he also the only one ever playing random in GSL Code-S? much respect.


By the time he was in Code S, and making his Code A run into Code S he had chosen to play Terran full-time.


I thought guineapig was the random player. I used to him him and Gumiho up. Maybe they both were random.

I thought guineapig was P
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
July 28 2012 13:30 GMT
#5327
I liked the casting a lot, Khaldor and Wolf really are a great team.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
July 28 2012 13:30 GMT
#5328
On July 28 2012 22:28 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 22:27 SenorChang wrote:
On July 28 2012 22:22 opterown wrote:
Poll: Most Valuable Player?

MMA (135)
 
30%

GuMiho (88)
 
20%

Leenock (87)
 
19%

CoCa (64)
 
14%

Puzzle (28)
 
6%

JYP (14)
 
3%

Ryung (9)
 
2%

TheBest (9)
 
2%

Other (8)
 
2%

Tear (6)
 
1%

Lucky (2)
 
0%

450 total votes

Your vote: Most Valuable Player?

(Vote): MMA
(Vote): Leenock
(Vote): Ryung
(Vote): Tear
(Vote): Puzzle
(Vote): GuMiho
(Vote): CoCa
(Vote): Lucky
(Vote): TheBest
(Vote): JYP
(Vote): Other



wellll...........

wtf
i like mma and all, but why is he being voted on so hardcore as MVP? mma may have played well, but that just means gumiho played better

...that poll is from before the games >.>

gumiho already went up by like 6-7% since before the games started tho
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
July 28 2012 13:30 GMT
#5329
On July 28 2012 22:27 Ansinjunger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 22:25 bokchoi wrote:
On July 28 2012 22:24 zul wrote:
Gumiho is such a great player. wasn`t he also the only one ever playing random in GSL Code-S? much respect.


By the time he was in Code S, and making his Code A run into Code S he had chosen to play Terran full-time.


I thought guineapig was the random player. I used to him him and Gumiho up. Maybe they both were random.


Indeed, but GunieaPig was used in the GSTL, GuMiho made it into the individual league as random, which is extremely impressive, and probably explains why he was able to all-kill like he did; playing as random means he has to improvise all his builds.

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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
July 28 2012 13:30 GMT
#5330
On July 28 2012 22:29 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 22:27 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 28 2012 22:25 bokchoi wrote:
On July 28 2012 22:24 zul wrote:
Gumiho is such a great player. wasn`t he also the only one ever playing random in GSL Code-S? much respect.


By the time he was in Code S, and making his Code A run into Code S he had chosen to play Terran full-time.


I thought guineapig was the random player. I used to him him and Gumiho up. Maybe they both were random.

I thought guineapig was P


Was Random for a while. He came out a lot and got a few multi-kills (2-3 usually) for MVP, as well.
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Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
July 28 2012 13:31 GMT
#5331
It's weird. These finals were pretty good, but if you think about it, they were the worst GSTL finals so far
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Lorizean
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1330 Posts
July 28 2012 13:31 GMT
#5332
On July 28 2012 22:29 Leyra wrote:
It's funny how people think if you thought the finals were not that great, everyone assumes you're a slayers fanboy, lol. I have no stock in either team, was happy for Gumiho/FXO, game 1 was obviously fantastic, game 2 was exciting, game 3 was exciting at first, but coca kind of threw that one away with poor spine crawler placement/movement, and the subsequent 5-10 minutes of gameplay was gumiho so far ahead that even his poor decision to pull SCVs again was irrelevant. Game 4 was obviously bad, and Game 5 was not a bad game, but not exactly as "close" as people seemed to think, lol. It was winnable for puzzle after he stuffed the 3 pronged push, gumiho was in an incredibly strong position after taking such a fast 3rd, with upgrade advantage and everything. There's nothing wrong with thinking the games weren't great, it doesn't mean you're a hater, or you're a slayers fanboy, lol.

So obviously if you thought these finals were amazing you are an FXO fanboy, right? Isn't that how it works? :p Or maybe we should go with the "What, your opinion is different than mine? You're dumb as shit!"

Best of all was the sign girls though.

I think it's more saying that those that go "these finals were awful" are slayers fanboys - because they definitely weren't awful games.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 28 2012 13:31 GMT
#5333
with the poll, gumiho started on FOUR VOTES

now on FIFTY THREEE

HELL YEAH
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
July 28 2012 13:31 GMT
#5334
On July 28 2012 22:27 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 22:18 ffrozenfish wrote:
Terran nerf incoming

congrats FXOpen



Not really a nerf, just a TvP metagame shift where Terrans will go back to mass Ghost. Protoss still has no true answer for cloaked Ghosts (and don't you tell me Observers, because scan + viking = dead Obs, unless you expect toss to spend 750 gas on 10 observers).





As for TvZ well, lol, either play really greedy or really aggressive.


That last game had nothing to do with mass cloaked ghosts--more like 5 bases to 3, plus drops doing damage and no blink stalkers to ward them. Gumiho somehow had an upgrade advantage as well. Puzzle's attack that ended up being a relatively smaller and smaller army moving around midfield put him behind when he could have turtled a lot more CreatorPrime style. I can only imagine his impatience to get Gumiho out of the way, knowing the task ahead of him.

Vikings can only snipe so many (speed?) observers without getting shot or stormed down.
fuzzz
Profile Joined October 2010
267 Posts
July 28 2012 13:31 GMT
#5335
for me slyers just failed at these games. bad decisions awfull micro etc. not saying gumiho does not deserve the win or played bad but slayers just failed at these games too much
usa lol
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 13:35:17
July 28 2012 13:31 GMT
#5336
As amazing as this finals was, I'm kinda disappointed by the number of all-kills in this season, and really in every GSTL season to date. I wanted to see the whole FXO lineup -- the Leenocktopus, Lucky, and so on. I feel like there have been many teams riding on the success of star players (*cough* DRG Symbol *cough*) rather than building a comprehensive and interesting lineup. Maybe it's just rose-tinted glasses, but I feel like in Winner's League during the Brood War days the all-kills were nowhere near this prevalent, and were thus so much more special when they did occur. (Fantasy's reverse all-kill in the SKT versus Oz finals culminating in the ballsiest cheese possible versus Jaedong is possibly my favorite BW moment)

I'm not sure what it is that makes these ridiculous streaks happen so often now. I don't think it's so much the game itself -- in fact it's an argument against SC2 being more luck-based than BW -- but I'm honestly getting tired of it. I want to see everything that these teams are capable of, and I want to see them put their whole rosters to the test. There's too much talent hidden in these teams (I got really excited when SlayerS pulled out Min) to put them on the back of the same few guys over and over.

I hope to see some of the GOM teams in whatever Proleague becomes, or to maybe see the GSTL switch up its format. I think Proleague hit the right balance when it was in full swing, pulling out Winner's League only for a single season a year to get some freshness going, but otherwise focusing on keeping the teams switching up the talent as much as possible, while also allowing room for their star player to shine.

But don't let my bitching take away from how surprisingly good this finals was. For a score that looks so one-sided, there sure were an awful lot of nail-biting moments. Congrats to FXOpen, and I hope to see SlayerS rebound from this better than ever.

(also I want a format that brings back fantasy league, damnit)
whole lies with a half smile
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 28 2012 13:32 GMT
#5337
On July 28 2012 22:31 Hassybaby wrote:
It's weird. These finals were pretty good, but if you think about it, they were the worst GSTL finals so far


I'm surprised you are a startale fan and think that last seasons was better than this.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 28 2012 13:32 GMT
#5338
i'm sure that SPL and GSTL will be running alongside each other very soon!!!!!

hope so, at least. that would be amazing.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 28 2012 13:33 GMT
#5339
anyway, if anyone did not enjoy this finals...

WCS NORDIC IS GOING ON NOW!!!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=356367
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iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
July 28 2012 13:33 GMT
#5340
On July 28 2012 22:31 Hassybaby wrote:
It's weird. These finals were pretty good, but if you think about it, they were the worst GSTL finals so far

If you really think about it, they were the best GSTL finals so far.
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