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sagichu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States280 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5121
so much cheering for one probe
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5122

On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.

lol it is very existant.

Sick crowd there!

not anymore dude.

Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).

Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level.

Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that.


Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion?

Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast.

There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day.


Seriously? The top foreigners can compete with the Koreans somewhat, but to say there is no domination? Hmm.. yeah... that is why all the korean teams are trying to recruit foreigners to strengthen there lineup??? It is kind of like US and the NBA. Sure, the top Europeans do well in the NBA. But to say there is no gap between US and the rest of the world is still ridiculous... And once the Kespa players get more time, the gap is going to increase.

TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8324 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5123
On July 15 2012 06:57 polyphonyEX wrote:
top 50 control, maybe


It was literally over a year ago... maybe almost two now, that he said that. Can't you let it go?
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
July 14 2012 22:02 GMT
#5124
On July 15 2012 07:01 nojok wrote:
I can understand that from an American perspective the gap seems as big, but eastern European who can make a living from lesser money are really closing the gap. We're talking from pros, there aren't as many European pros as Koreans one, I'm not talking about semi pros, & they're really closing the gap. Best foreigners are from eastern Europe except stephano & maye Ret, Huk is no longer amongs the elite.


I think Sweden sort of undermines your argument, my friend.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 22:02:41
July 14 2012 22:02 GMT
#5125
On July 15 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
The gap is still just as big NASL koreans are just weak. Look at IPL4 and the MLG championships.


I wouldn't say NASL Koreans are weak. Alicia second at MLG championship and MC currently GSL Ro4? You are contradicting yourself. >.>
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
stardin
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel88 Posts
July 14 2012 22:02 GMT
#5126
Omg he got the probe thats a game changer~

+ Show Spoiler +
Fire these guys plx
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
July 14 2012 22:02 GMT
#5127
On July 15 2012 07:01 Barez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 07:00 pallad wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:56 Gladiator333 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?


I think the gap is smaller, but Koreans still in lead.


Sure they are.. but gap is way smaller.. look at last big tournemants results..
Dreamhack Mana , HSC Nerchio , NASL will be proably Stephano
What was last big tournament that Korean player Win ? except GSL



except the GSL how many top koreans go to other events?

lol NASL will probably be Stephano? he only has to get past MC to even reach the finals and face one of the other top players. Funny.
Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
July 14 2012 22:02 GMT
#5128
On July 15 2012 07:01 sagichu wrote:
so much cheering for one probe

He'll probably lose anyway.
<3 bw
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
July 14 2012 22:02 GMT
#5129
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?



Because it's one of the shittest polls I've ever seen.

For starters, it say the skill gap is big, the same as 2011. So if you think the skill gap is big, not just a medium skill gap, you would go for the big gap option. Then from looking at the results, you pull that loads of people think it's the same as 2011.

Just a really stupid poll.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
July 14 2012 22:02 GMT
#5130
On July 15 2012 07:01 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 07:01 nojok wrote:
I can understand that from an American perspective the gap seems as big, but eastern European who can make a living from lesser money are really closing the gap. We're talking from pros, there aren't as many European pros as Koreans one, I'm not talking about semi pros, & they're really closing the gap. Best foreigners are from eastern Europe except stephano & maye Ret, Huk is no longer amongs the elite.

lol so wrong dude.

What is wrong?
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
July 14 2012 22:02 GMT
#5131
"shortstuff" always cracks me up
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 14 2012 22:02 GMT
#5132
On July 15 2012 07:02 Gladiator333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
The gap is still just as big NASL koreans are just weak. Look at IPL4 and the MLG championships.


I wouldn't say NASL Koreans are weak. Alicia second at MLG championship and MC currently GSL Ro4? You are contradicting yourself. >.>

when did alicia get ro4? u mean hero?
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
July 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#5133
On July 15 2012 06:58 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:57 HaXXspetten wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.

lol it is very existant.

Sick crowd there!

not anymore dude.

Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).

Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level.

Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that.


Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion?

Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast.

There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day.

Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol

GO ALICIA!

keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago)

Stephano won IPL3 9 months ago I believe, so it's not that long ago


Was actually the first big foreigner win vs alot of Koreans. I actually think thats was the starting point where the gap started to diminish

it didnt diminish the same few people that could take series before are doing it now, and everyone else is still trailing way below
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
July 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#5134
On July 15 2012 07:02 Gladiator333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
The gap is still just as big NASL koreans are just weak. Look at IPL4 and the MLG championships.


I wouldn't say NASL Koreans are weak. Alicia second at MLG championship and GSL Ro4? You are contradicting yourself. >.>


Alicia has never got a GSL ro4. He is in Code B right now. Second at MLG was his first impressive result in like a year so it could easily be a fluke.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
July 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#5135
Seriously, what is HuK doing?
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32761 Posts
July 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#5136
Aaaaandd HuK loses tons of Stalkers.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
July 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#5137
On July 15 2012 07:01 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:57 Al Bundy wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.

lol it is very existant.

Sick crowd there!

not anymore dude.

Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).

Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level.

Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that.


Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion?

Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast.

There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day.

Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol

GO ALICIA!

keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago)

Look, you got the best foreigners vs average koreans (besides MC). You can't really draw conclusions from that.


Calling Alicia/puzzle and Hero average koreans is laughable

Didn't you know? Any Korean not named DRG/Nestea/MVP/MMA/MC is average.
I love crazymoving
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
July 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#5138
lol huk way over comitting
Mmm, what to watch.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#5139
.....huk just slit his own throat.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
WatchOutNow
Profile Joined July 2012
48 Posts
July 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#5140
top3 control
twitter.com/LiquidRet
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