• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:48
CEST 15:48
KST 22:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event6Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results02026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Missed out on ASL tickets - what are my options? Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL22] RO16 Group A - Sunday 21:00 CEST
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1849 users

[NASL] Season 3 Finals Day 1 - Page 259

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 257 258 259 260 261 426 Next
whirlpool
Profile Joined June 2011
2788 Posts
July 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#5161
when behind DT ? lol
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5162
Shrine is not going to help...
I had a good night of sleep.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5163
On July 15 2012 07:01 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:57 Al Bundy wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.

lol it is very existant.

Sick crowd there!

not anymore dude.

Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).

Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level.

Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that.


Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion?

Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast.

There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day.

Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol

GO ALICIA!

keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago)

Look, you got the best foreigners vs average koreans (besides MC). You can't really draw conclusions from that.


Calling Alicia/puzzle and Hero average koreans is laughable

Well they're not exactly the cream of the crop...
o choro é livre
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5164
Noooo, huk is going dts again ._. 20th time is the charm I guess
AxiR
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany944 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5165
too much pressure for huk? really sloppy play ...
Pyre
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1940 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5166
Quick 2-0 soon with the desperation dark shrine.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5167
This is like when Alicia beat MC in the ST, except I'm cheering for Alicia this time. Sorry huk t.t
SoulOnIce
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany102 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5168
i walk up ramp vs 5 sentrys herpa derp
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8744 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5169
wow killer forcefields by alicia - really does not look all too good for HuK
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5170
When behind ..........
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5171
oh huk >.> what was that messiness.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5172
On July 15 2012 07:01 Barez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 07:00 pallad wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:56 Gladiator333 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?


I think the gap is smaller, but Koreans still in lead.


Sure they are.. but gap is way smaller.. look at last big tournemants results..
Dreamhack Mana , HSC Nerchio , NASL will be proably Stephano
What was last big tournament that Korean player Win ? except GSL



except the GSL how many top koreans go to other events?


LoL ? they go to all big event..
My point was in 2011 , 90% of big tournaments was wining by koreans , now its.. like 60% / 40%
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5173
when behind dark shrine~
Mmm, what to watch.
ZeratuLsc2
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada426 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5174
HuK demoted to Gold league?
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5175
On July 15 2012 07:03 Flonomenalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 07:01 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:57 Al Bundy wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.

lol it is very existant.

Sick crowd there!

not anymore dude.

Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).

Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level.

Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that.


Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion?

Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast.

There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day.

Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol

GO ALICIA!

keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago)

Look, you got the best foreigners vs average koreans (besides MC). You can't really draw conclusions from that.


Calling Alicia/puzzle and Hero average koreans is laughable

Didn't you know? Any Korean not named DRG/Nestea/MVP/MMA/MC is average.


Alicia/Puzzle/Hero are all in Code A or Code B right now.... Meaning they are not top 32 koreans and in Alicia's case not even top 72. They are average.
theJob
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5176
Top 3 control?
Winners train. Loosers complain.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5177
I dont understand why huk pushed that ramp repeatedly when he didnt have blink.... threw away 6 stalkers
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5178
On July 15 2012 07:01 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 07:00 Barez wrote:
2 people competing agaisnt koreans makes it so the gap is closing? dont think so


did you forgot last MLG already where EU had the win-rate against KR? the gap is closing

They may have had a winning rate head to head but Koreans took 13 of the top 16 spots and all top 3 spots
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5179
bad decisions. blinking on top of alicias army and now this. huk is playing worse than usual.
Give thanks and praise!
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
July 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#5180
This is painful to watch. Two games down the drain for Huk.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
Prev 1 257 258 259 260 261 426 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
11:00
Wardi Spring Cup
Percival vs Shameless
ByuN vs YoungYakov
WardiTV884
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 964
Rex 99
Railgan 92
BRAT_OK 58
trigger 47
LamboSC2 6
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 40903
Calm 7693
Sea 2752
Horang2 1540
Shuttle 1496
firebathero 615
EffOrt 464
ggaemo 443
Soma 390
Hyuk 370
[ Show more ]
Rush 221
Nal_rA 188
hero 156
Bonyth 155
Soulkey 121
actioN 105
Zeus 102
ToSsGirL 55
Hyun 50
Killer 49
Sharp 41
sorry 39
[sc1f]eonzerg 39
Movie 38
Barracks 35
Hm[arnc] 34
910 34
JulyZerg 20
GoRush 16
IntoTheRainbow 11
Icarus 11
Terrorterran 10
Rock 10
SilentControl 7
Dota 2
Gorgc2925
qojqva830
monkeys_forever221
ODPixel146
syndereN7
Counter-Strike
zeus707
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor302
Other Games
singsing2245
B2W.Neo1585
DeMusliM363
Lowko318
crisheroes317
Beastyqt124
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream69
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Dystopia_ 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2269
• Stunt521
Upcoming Events
SC Evo League
12m
IPSL
2h 12m
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
5h 12m
Replay Cast
10h 12m
RSL Revival
20h 12m
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d
BSL
1d 5h
IPSL
1d 5h
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
1d 20h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 20h
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
GSL
3 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
4 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W5
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.