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Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
July 14 2012 21:58 GMT
#5101
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?


Dem angry US of A's

I think there clearly is a gap and will be - but it got way closer than some make it out to be.

It was definitely NOT the norm in 2011 that foreigners could take whole series off of high class koreans like that...
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
July 14 2012 21:58 GMT
#5102
On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.

lol it is very existant.

Sick crowd there!

not anymore dude.

Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).

Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level.

Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that.


Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion?

Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast.

There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day.

Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol

GO ALICIA!

keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago)

Huk wont MLG last year
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
July 14 2012 21:58 GMT
#5103
On July 15 2012 06:58 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:57 FrogOfWar wrote:
Will Stephano vs MC be played today?

yes


=) Thanks!
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 14 2012 21:58 GMT
#5104
On July 15 2012 06:57 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.

lol it is very existant.

Sick crowd there!

not anymore dude.

Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).

Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level.

Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that.


Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion?

Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast.

There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day.

Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol

GO ALICIA!

keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago)

Stephano won IPL3 9 months ago I believe, so it's not that long ago


Was actually the first big foreigner win vs alot of Koreans. I actually think thats was the starting point where the gap started to diminish
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
July 14 2012 21:59 GMT
#5105
The gap is still just as big NASL koreans are just weak. Look at IPL4 and the MLG championships.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 14 2012 21:59 GMT
#5106
On July 15 2012 06:58 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?


Dem angry US of A's

I think there clearly is a gap and will be - but it got way closer than some make it out to be.

It was definitely NOT the norm in 2011 that foreigners could take whole series off of high class koreans like that...


Remember june/july last year? All Koreans like top 15 in all tournaments
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 14 2012 21:59 GMT
#5107
In before Alicia 3-0 HuK
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 14 2012 21:59 GMT
#5108
On July 15 2012 06:59 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:58 Doublemint wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?


Dem angry US of A's

I think there clearly is a gap and will be - but it got way closer than some make it out to be.

It was definitely NOT the norm in 2011 that foreigners could take whole series off of high class koreans like that...


Remember june/july last year? All Koreans like top 15 in all tournaments

I remember ZeNEX_jjun and Startale_July
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
July 14 2012 22:00 GMT
#5109
Ugh phoenixes in pvp, the bane of my existence
I have no quote!
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
July 14 2012 22:00 GMT
#5110
I get that HuK isn't super popular here for whatever reason but can we please stop circlejerk-hating on him? Seeing four pages where each one is half full of "lol HuK sucks go Alicia" makes this less a LR thread and more an anti-fanclub.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 22:01:46
July 14 2012 22:00 GMT
#5111
On July 15 2012 06:56 Gladiator333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?


I think the gap is smaller, but Koreans still in lead.


Sure they are.. but gap is way smaller.. look at last big tournemants results..
Dreamhack Mana , HSC Nerchio , NASL will be proably Stephano
What was last big tournament that Korean player Win ? except GSL

@Edit sorry i forgot MLG its was last event that korean player win
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
Barez
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada123 Posts
July 14 2012 22:00 GMT
#5112
2 people competing agaisnt koreans makes it so the gap is closing? dont think so
Far Beyond Driven
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5113
On July 15 2012 06:57 Al Bundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:56 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:53 Flonomenalz wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:51 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:43 GunPaladin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:40 Poisonblack wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.

lol it is very existant.

Sick crowd there!

not anymore dude.

Koreans used to CRUSH foreigners a year ago, nowadays you don't see it anymore as most of the games are so close it can go either way (ofc unless theres some gimmicky unscouted all-in).

Rest of the world has caught up with Koreans even though they still practice significantly less. Just goes to show you how low the skill ceiling is in sc2 compared to BW since anyone can beat anyone at the highest level.

Why do people keep saying this? Koreans are still dominating whether you wanna admit it or not. One tournament won't change that.


Remember the time when whenever say 6 Koreans would be invited to foreign tourneys they would take top 6 in convincing fashion?

Those days are long gone and instead of the gap increasing (which is what logically should happen when koreans practice so much more and are much more dedicated) it has decreased and is still decreasing way too fast.

There's no "domination" anymore, it's just who plays better and who's luckier on a given day.

Lol the gap is getting closer... but it's still very much there. Don't delude yourself... lol

GO ALICIA!

keep telling yourself that, just don't be surprised if Stephano or Ret win NASL (which would have NEVER happened a year ago)

Look, you got the best foreigners vs average koreans (besides MC). You can't really draw conclusions from that.


Calling Alicia/puzzle and Hero average koreans is laughable
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5114
I can understand that from an American perspective the gap seems as big, but eastern European who can make a living from lesser money are really closing the gap. We're talking from pros, there aren't as many European pros as Koreans one, I'm not talking about semi pros, & they're really closing the gap. Best foreigners are from eastern Europe except stephano & maye Ret, Huk is no longer amongs the elite.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5115
On July 15 2012 07:00 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:56 Gladiator333 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?


I think the gap is smaller, but Koreans still in lead.


Sure they are.. but gap is way smaller.. look at last big tournemants results..
Dreamhack Mana , HSC Nerchio , NASL will be proably Stephano
What was last big tournament that Korean player Win ? except GSL


All the MLG's and IPL4....
Barez
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada123 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5116
On July 15 2012 07:00 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:56 Gladiator333 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?


I think the gap is smaller, but Koreans still in lead.


Sure they are.. but gap is way smaller.. look at last big tournemants results..
Dreamhack Mana , HSC Nerchio , NASL will be proably Stephano
What was last big tournament that Korean player Win ? except GSL



except the GSL how many top koreans go to other events?
Far Beyond Driven
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5117
On July 15 2012 06:59 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:59 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:58 Doublemint wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?


Dem angry US of A's

I think there clearly is a gap and will be - but it got way closer than some make it out to be.

It was definitely NOT the norm in 2011 that foreigners could take whole series off of high class koreans like that...


Remember june/july last year? All Koreans like top 15 in all tournaments

I remember ZeNEX_jjun and Startale_July


:D

wellplayed
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5118
On July 15 2012 07:01 nojok wrote:
I can understand that from an American perspective the gap seems as big, but eastern European who can make a living from lesser money are really closing the gap. We're talking from pros, there aren't as many European pros as Koreans one, I'm not talking about semi pros, & they're really closing the gap. Best foreigners are from eastern Europe except stephano & maye Ret, Huk is no longer amongs the elite.

lol so wrong dude.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5119
On July 15 2012 07:00 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:56 Gladiator333 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:48 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011) (47)
 
38%

Medium gap (41)
 
33%

Small gap (31)
 
25%

Virtually no gap (5)
 
4%

124 total votes

Your vote: Current skill gap between KOR and EU pros?

(Vote): Big gap (about the same gap as in 2011)
(Vote): Medium gap
(Vote): Small gap
(Vote): Virtually no gap



(Gap is such a weird word)


How can people say the gap is about the same as 2011 when the results are so different?


I think the gap is smaller, but Koreans still in lead.


Sure they are.. but gap is way smaller.. look at last big tournemants results..
Dreamhack Mana , HSC Nerchio , NASL will be proably Stephano
What was last big tournament that Korean player Win ? except GSL

MLG.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
July 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#5120
On July 15 2012 07:00 Barez wrote:
2 people competing agaisnt koreans makes it so the gap is closing? dont think so


did you forgot last MLG already where EU had the win-rate against KR? the gap is closing
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