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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4761
On July 15 2012 06:36 Protosnake wrote:
Any schedule on when the semifinals are happening ?


Did you miss the big "schedule" tab on the front page?
Rockafella
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom291 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4762
On July 15 2012 06:35 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:31 GDbushido wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:28 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:23 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:21 Deadeight wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:19 sirreginold wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:17 Ryps wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:16 Poisonblack wrote:
is it ANY surprise that the best foreign players are zerg?

Please tell me why, Im dying to hear it.


This is not a balance post but Zerg is the easiest race to master at the highest level. It's just the way the race works.


Is this even true? I can think of plenty top foreigner protoss and a couple of T.

What top foreigners T? Kas, beastyqt, lucifron? They're not on par with mana, nerchio stephano, huk. Ok thorzain won, a DH but that's all fro foreigner T entire SC2 history I think.

Naama won a dreamhack

Ok another DH for terrans, & also 2 ro4 for jinro in GSL if I'm not mistaking. Terran is the race which depends a lot more from army control, Korean T are always bringing it to a new level, I'm fine with the current balance, I want to see how far the Korean terrans can go to improve it. Byun for exemple seems to have figured out TvP atm. I think he will win GSL if MC takes DRG out.
I'm so sick of reading this.

if you miss one forcefield as toss you're dead.

if your zealots aren't in front you're dead.

if your immortals, sentries, colossi, etc. get sniped, you're dead.


If protoss doesn't miss a forcefield, the terran is dead...

If protoss zealots are in front, the terran is dead...

If terrans can't snipe an immoral, sentries, colossi, they are dead...

So basically, the terran DEPENDs on the protoss to make a mistake, if they don't, you are screwed.


Exactly, you can kite decent and emp well and still get rolled in engagements as Terran by an a-moving Protoss with good storms/collosus..
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4763
On July 15 2012 06:31 GDbushido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:28 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:23 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:21 Deadeight wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:19 sirreginold wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:17 Ryps wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:16 Poisonblack wrote:
is it ANY surprise that the best foreign players are zerg?

Please tell me why, Im dying to hear it.


This is not a balance post but Zerg is the easiest race to master at the highest level. It's just the way the race works.


Is this even true? I can think of plenty top foreigner protoss and a couple of T.

What top foreigners T? Kas, beastyqt, lucifron? They're not on par with mana, nerchio stephano, huk. Ok thorzain won, a DH but that's all fro foreigner T entire SC2 history I think.

Naama won a dreamhack

Ok another DH for terrans, & also 2 ro4 for jinro in GSL if I'm not mistaking. Terran is the race which depends a lot more from army control, Korean T are always bringing it to a new level, I'm fine with the current balance, I want to see how far the Korean terrans can go to improve it. Byun for exemple seems to have figured out TvP atm. I think he will win GSL if MC takes DRG out.
I'm so sick of reading this.

if you miss one forcefield as toss you're dead.

if your zealots aren't in front you're dead.

if your immortals, sentries, colossi, etc. get sniped, you're dead.


To be fair, this is a bit of an apples vs oranges situation. Terran takes a lot of micro, but most of it is very mechanical, like stutter-step or splitting vs banelings. It's stuff you need to practice a lot, and you need a lot of APM and accuracy in order to pull it off well, but you mostly just do your thing and don't need to react much.

Protoss micro, on the other hand, is purely reactive. Forcefields and Blinks don't take that much apm, they take accuracy and timing, and often great reflexes. They also depend totally on what the opponent does. Every fight needs its own good FF placement, there's no repetitive pattern to it, you just need to figure it out on the fly. This is why we see missed forcefields a lot more often than bad marine splits vs banelings, for instance.

Not sure which is harder, but they are very different.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4764
On July 15 2012 06:36 IMABUNNEH wrote:
HUK

That entrance was awesome. NASL are doing a lot of things right. These little player synopses before each player arrives are really great, I love the red carpet entrance, and I love the "players facing each other" booth (which I'm sure was done before but is still good).

I don't watch the NASL season just because it's not that interesting (I go peek at the highly rated sets). But this is as good as watching an MLG, but without the 6 hours downtime of adverts and crowdshots in between sets ^_^


Actually, NASL deserves credit for the "face-off" booth
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4765
On July 15 2012 06:36 Protosnake wrote:
Any schedule on when the semifinals are happening ?

right after this
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4766
On July 15 2012 06:35 Housemd wrote:
Is Day[9] ever going to cast?

Busy mixing the special ingredient into the punch bowl.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4767
On July 15 2012 06:36 Protosnake wrote:
Any schedule on when the semifinals are happening ?


I assume it will be at some point after the quarter finals, but they haven't confirmed yet.
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 21:38:14
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4768
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.


None of that 5 hour jet lag matters eh?
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Dubsy
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada186 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4769
Man clutch is such an embarrassment. What the hell is he doing out there.
With a right-left, right-left you're toothless, And then you say "Goddamn they ruthless!"
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4770
My guess is those arent the songs the players are coming out with, so they dub it to avoid copyright infringement
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 21:37:49
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4771
On July 15 2012 06:36 NaZa wrote:
Guys this isint the balance thread..

Actually I think it's ok. As long as the strat talk is related to teh the current games then it's fine I guess.
o choro é livre
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4772
On July 15 2012 06:37 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:31 GDbushido wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:28 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:23 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:21 Deadeight wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:19 sirreginold wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:17 Ryps wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:16 Poisonblack wrote:
is it ANY surprise that the best foreign players are zerg?

Please tell me why, Im dying to hear it.


This is not a balance post but Zerg is the easiest race to master at the highest level. It's just the way the race works.


Is this even true? I can think of plenty top foreigner protoss and a couple of T.

What top foreigners T? Kas, beastyqt, lucifron? They're not on par with mana, nerchio stephano, huk. Ok thorzain won, a DH but that's all fro foreigner T entire SC2 history I think.

Naama won a dreamhack

Ok another DH for terrans, & also 2 ro4 for jinro in GSL if I'm not mistaking. Terran is the race which depends a lot more from army control, Korean T are always bringing it to a new level, I'm fine with the current balance, I want to see how far the Korean terrans can go to improve it. Byun for exemple seems to have figured out TvP atm. I think he will win GSL if MC takes DRG out.
I'm so sick of reading this.

if you miss one forcefield as toss you're dead.

if your zealots aren't in front you're dead.

if your immortals, sentries, colossi, etc. get sniped, you're dead.


To be fair, this is a bit of an apples vs oranges situation. Terran takes a lot of micro, but most of it is very mechanical, like stutter-step or splitting vs banelings. It's stuff you need to practice a lot, and you need a lot of APM and accuracy in order to pull it off well, but you mostly just do your thing and don't need to react much.

Protoss micro, on the other hand, is purely reactive. Forcefields and Blinks don't take that much apm, they take accuracy and timing, and often great reflexes. They also depend totally on what the opponent does. Every fight needs its own good FF placement, there's no repetitive pattern to it, you just need to figure it out on the fly. This is why we see missed forcefields a lot more often than bad marine splits vs banelings, for instance.

Not sure which is harder, but they are very different.

Pretty accurate. Then there is Zerg xD.
Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
July 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#4773
Even if Huk wins, he's fucked vs ret next match..
<3 bw
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
July 14 2012 21:38 GMT
#4774
On July 15 2012 06:34 Poebes wrote:
Hahah it would be so funny if he gets 3-0ed now xD


I'd love to see that :D
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
July 14 2012 21:38 GMT
#4775
and the award for the best music at a premier event goes to... NASL!
can i get my estro logo back pls
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
July 14 2012 21:38 GMT
#4776
On July 15 2012 06:35 Pyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:34 Mioraka wrote:
LOLOLOL the canadian flag rofl.

Please win and run with that..............WIN HUK, WINNNNNN


Alicia 3-0's and burns the flag on stage


That's some WWE shit right there lol

If that happens, I won't even be mad.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 14 2012 21:38 GMT
#4777
On July 15 2012 06:33 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:21 ZenithM wrote:
Oh my god, am I the only one to find those Day9 antics (the heart, the dances, etc..) creepy as fuck?


I find it funny, probably depends on how much you like day9. I really disliked him before and found his quirks awkward, but now I love them and him too.

I like Day9 in general, his humor, his commentary, his dailies. Just not his narcissistic side of his that he displays sometimes (like, do you really need to control a crowd with your own memes? Just make them applaud and cheer, not make them perform a weird cult dance :D).
FloKi
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1490 Posts
July 14 2012 21:38 GMT
#4778
On July 15 2012 06:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The skill gap between KOR and EU is virtually nonexistant.


None of that 5 hours jet lag matters eh?

Have you seen mc play?
Where do whores go?
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
July 14 2012 21:38 GMT
#4779
On July 15 2012 06:35 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:31 aRyuujin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:29 Toadvine wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:26 Youtakenocandle wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:25 -Genome- wrote:
Sweating like a true cyber-athelete should, respect Ret! Does this mean Ret is the new favourite for the tournament? I hope so! TL fighting!


Stepahno would crush ret


On one hand, Stephano is better than Ret overall, and has a stronger mentality. On the other, his ZvZ has been historically bad, while Ret's ZvZ is supposed to be good.

We'll probably find out in the final.


(Z)Stephano zvz: 65%, 123-65
(Z)Ret zvz: 54.81%, 74-61

yup, ret's zvz is totally better than steph's


Because his all time record is completely relevant. His ZvZ as of late has been pretty bad, he has said so himself.


When Stephano says his zvz is bad, it means it's not great lol. he's still pretty good at it. I still remember him tearing through lucky at IPL4.
"Right on" - Morrow
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
July 14 2012 21:38 GMT
#4780
On July 15 2012 06:35 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 06:34 GDbushido wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:33 aRyuujin wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:31 GDbushido wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:28 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:23 nojok wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:21 Deadeight wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:19 sirreginold wrote:
On July 15 2012 06:17 Ryps wrote:
[quote]
Please tell me why, Im dying to hear it.


This is not a balance post but Zerg is the easiest race to master at the highest level. It's just the way the race works.


Is this even true? I can think of plenty top foreigner protoss and a couple of T.

What top foreigners T? Kas, beastyqt, lucifron? They're not on par with mana, nerchio stephano, huk. Ok thorzain won, a DH but that's all fro foreigner T entire SC2 history I think.

Naama won a dreamhack

Ok another DH for terrans, & also 2 ro4 for jinro in GSL if I'm not mistaking. Terran is the race which depends a lot more from army control, Korean T are always bringing it to a new level, I'm fine with the current balance, I want to see how far the Korean terrans can go to improve it. Byun for exemple seems to have figured out TvP atm. I think he will win GSL if MC takes DRG out.
I'm so sick of reading this.

if you miss one forcefield as toss you're dead.

if your zealots aren't in front you're dead.

if your immortals, sentries, colossi, etc. get sniped, you're dead.


You can say the same thing about any race
if you miss one emp as terran, you're dead

if your marauders aren't in front, you're dead

if your ghosts/medivacs/tanks/vikings/ravens get sniped, you're dead


if you miss one fungal as zerg, you're dead

if your roaches aren't in front, you're dead

if your broods/infestors/etc. get sniped, you're dead

none of your examples are true lol


Well, I dunno about that, if you let every last one of your Broodlords just get sniped you're probably going to die, lol. ;-p
ok fair enough but broodlords are easier to retain due to flying, as well as being more expendable than the most expensive protoss units because there are usually more of them.
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